/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>17756985
piss out my ass

use this post for critique and general ideas for the pastebin.

as of now it'll probably be a blurb shilling specialty coffee, le heckin local roasterinos etc and then the different brewing methods and buying guide for different price ranges. i'm going to try to list brewing methods as impartially as I can because I know it's a contentious issue round these parts.

i bought some coffee and it tastes like old women perfume

>>17757014
what kind of coffee was it?

>>17757020
kenco columbian shit
i thought it would be easy black coffee but no it tastes like my nana smells

>>17756985
qt

>>17756985
Stop posting gooks. Post coffies.

>>17757040
Life is about the people, anon. Coffee should be shared, especially with cute girls

>>17757050
cohee dayo

>>17757075
どうぞお召し上がり

>>17757040
Any tips?

>>17757054
>cute
debatable.

>>17757087
this looks like my beds when i was going through a one-pour phase

>>17757075
>mfw sipping a hot cup of Aeropressed cohee in the morning, reading posts about how aeropress bad

does anyone have something to say about french press beyond what i've written?

>>17757131
Are you the idiot with the akirakoki cast iron hand grinder?

>>17757134
i don't currently have nor have I ever had any hand grinders but I won't let my personal biases affect the document

>>17757134
these burrs... I can taste the over extraction lol

Who has the best decaf in NA?

>>17757162
mexico

>>17757163
Can you link their store?

Is Japanese coffee culture just medium roast iced coffee?

>>17757166
no. im just saying the best decaf i have had was grown in mexico.
this is the description of where it came from from the store i bought it from (aus)
>MEXICO EL TUCAN 100%
Fully Washed. Region: Chicomuselo and Comalapa, Chiapas, Mexico Altitude: 1100-1600 masl Varietal: Catuai and Typica. Decaffeinated using Mountain Water Process.

so i guess look for that in your area.

>French Press
>Pour-over
>Drip
>Percolator
>Moka Pot
>Espresso
>Immersion dripper
>Aeropress

what am I missing?

>>17757189
cold brew
cold drip
syphon
cezve

>>17757194
this is easily gonna be the most tiring section to write. i'm gonna start with the most common and move outward since ck coffee neophytes probably aren't going making syphon with costco beans

>>17757235
Pops Witherspoon presents
>Coffee for poor people
https://youtu.be/jdNzPX1UbH8

AZN GORLS!!!

the zojirushi weeb fears the chad GohanGama user.

https://www.hario-usa.com/collections/kitchen/products/gohangama-glass-lid-rice-cooker

>>17757307
What kind of dog shit product photography is this lol. Photographer in the reflection, highlights blown out, fingerprints all over the glass, meme bokeh use, etc.

>order beans from local roaster last Thursday night
>delivered Monday
>roast date was last Friday
I was expecting fresh beans but I wasn't expecting them to literally package ship them straight out of the roaster
Wanted to make a cup with it tomorrow but I'm going to have to rest them for another day or two

>>17757317
>highlights blown out
asians love this shit.

>>17757330
If you're just making filter coffee, you can use it fresh just bloom it longer; you don't have to wait a few days lol

>>17757330
isnt that how everyone does it? the place i buy from roasts/grinds to order 3 days a week.

>>17757348
>isnt that how everyone does it?
generally yeah. i can get coffee roasted tomorrow delivered the day after.

>>17757348
Normally I would walk into one of the cafe locations for a roaster and the beans I've gotten from the cafes are usually 7+ days from roast date
This is the first time I've actually ordered direct online

Why the fuck do ethiopians always clog ?

coffee?

>>17757657
Coffee in a can

>>17757105
>Average sw*rled V60

>>17757340
p sure the us site takes their own product photos

>>17757682
.....

refurb rancilio silvia for 550? yes or no?

I started to bloom my slow drip. I think it has made all the difference.

>>17757175
>>17757657
>>17757682
Warm can coffee on a cold Tokyo day is the best

>>17757982
>Tokyo
Entry level pleb

Ah cool you guys are coffee fans like me! I LIVE on starbucks!!!

>>17756985
I'm drinking instant coffee, is that fine?

I like a cup of water right after espresso

Peppermint bark Keurig with ice and creamer, enjoying it, and there is NOTHING you can do about it.

>>17757330
oh no, them the beans lmao

I'm thinking about thos beans

>>17757969
bloom this

>>17758166
filtered i hope anon.

>>17758315
Mineral

>>17757682
I wish this was more than just a novelty in the states. Canned coffee realistically SHOULD be huge here due to fags wanting to bring coffee everywhere they fucking go and living their 'super cool just like the movies' urban lives but sadly only a few import isles carry these things for overpriced resale.
I still grab a few for a beach day, camping, boating, or any kind of all day nature outing because an ice cold can of coffee on a hot summer day is beyond refreshing.

Power was out today, no coffee to start my day.
Does Anon have back up plans for coffee when this happens?
I was thinking about camping using camping gear.

>>17758633
>no coffee to start my day
uhh your moka pot and manual grinder?
uhh your bripe?
uhh your aeropress?

>coffee general
>faggots being faggots
every single time lmao

>>17758657
Never heard of the bripe but I’ll check it out, Ty fren.

>>17758690
look no further
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tltBHjmIUJ0

>>17758667
go drink your wet tree leaves, boy

>>17756985
what's /ctg/'s opinion on kona beans

>>17758770
Overswirled AND overpriced.

>>17758787
forgive my ignorance but wtf is overswirled in the context of coffee? I looked it up but no relevant results.

what's your favorite bean?

>>17758790
Your mom's bean

>>17758795
nice

tea weebs are the cringest neckbeard phenotype

>>17758770
nothing special. splurge on geshas or well-known lots instead if you want pricey novelty

I think it's delicious and full bodied but slightly over-extracted. What kind of coffee did I make?

>>17758828
what makes it so expensive? first I've heard of it, thank you

>>17758840
Overswirled

>>17758840
medium roast geisha from south america, you used a moka pot and didnt account for the different density so your timing was off and you didnt change your temp control from your usual beans.

>>17758633
Being a leverfag if the power goes I'm not as impacted out I bust out the camp stove and moka pot for the *comfy* vibes

>>17758848
geshas are hard to grow and perpetually in demand because of how lovely they can be.

>>17758790
These two have been nothing but fantastic.
https://www.allycoffee.com/coffees/monteblanco-purple-caturra-natural/
https://www.allycoffee.com/coffees/loma-la-gloria-red-bourbon-black-honey/

>>17758790
right now, this kenyan. the finish tastes just like lime if you do it right.

https://monogramcoffee.com/collections/whole-bean-coffee/products/rutuma-ruthagati-aa-filter?variant=40342414557237

>>17759038
Are there different between different beans?
Sure.
Are the different big enough for normal people to tell it apart?
Hell no.

Trying out a cosori sometime this week after my plain kettle finally kicked the bucket, anyone have any experience with em?

>>17759038
is Monogram actually good? I've seen it shilled elsewhere so I remain skeptical.

>>17759228
>Trying out a cosori
are we supposed to know exactly what you are talking about just based off this?

>>17759265
Yes moron.
>Trying out a cosori
>after my plain kettle finally kicked the bucket
https://cosori.com/products/smart-electric-gooseneck-kettle-cs108-nk

>>17759291
>they have 6 kettles
you are a dumb fuck.

>>17759236
why would seeing it recommended by others make you skeptical? and I can't speak for the warmth line but their filter coffee (colored bags) are great, one of the best in canada for sure. the cheaper ethiopians they cycle through offer especially good value imo (20cad/340g) as are their subscriptions

>>17756985
red bull is better than coffee.

>>17759333
And of those 6, which ones are most likely to be used for coffee?

We got a pastebin now. It litty.

What should I know about decaf coffee before buying some? Any sort to avoid or seek out, etc.

>>17759351
im assuming you bought the gooseneck meme and think only a gooseneck can make good coffee but even then there are 2 gooseneck kettles in their range.

you mentioned plain kettle so it would be safe to assume you are looking to replace it with another plain kettle from cosori, and they have 4.

>which ones are most likely to be used for coffee?
the kettle that is most used for coffee would be the cheapest kettle so that would be the original double-walled electric kettle for $33.99

you are a dumb fuck.

>>17759370
look for either sugarcane or water process decaf from specialty roasters.

>>17759375
>gooseneck meme
Classic. Can I hot bloom cold brew with this?

>>17759402
fuck

is the GINA just a meme hario switch?

are espresso milk drinks any different tasting than coffee milk drinks?

>>17759893
Great question for the akashic general.

Is there a manual level espresso machine that isn’t poorfag flair/robot tier?

>>17760035
*lever

not that spring stuff

>>17760035
Odyssey Argos preorder is about the best you'll get. $350+ over the f58 and you get a PID .6L boiler to descale and a steamwand.

>>17760088
>Odyssey Argos
why do i want this if i have a good single boiler? aside from it looks cool talk me off the edge bro

>>17760088
this is still vaporware or people have revised it? thanks looks interesting

>>17756985
You do NOT have 19 coffeegfs

>>17760169
*reviewed

sorry I’m falling apart as I don’t currently have an espresso machine

Should I crack open a Boss Black or a UCC with milk?

>>17760182
i can dream, can't I?

bros can I please get some feedback on the pastebin so far? i'm trying to keep it concise without leaving things out.

anything glaring missing from the index?

>>17760121
Because direct levers are based?
>>17760185
Units should be coming out early summer. I thought about hopping on this preorder for ~6mo but I really don't think it offers that much over a SEP f58(other than obviously having a steam wand and better build quality). $1100 with their bluetooth gauge(to pair with their app) and you still need a bluetooth scale on top of that. Seems like a sidegrade + milk.
https://www.odysseyespresso.com/launch-checklist

>>17760182
not yet I don't

It's almost time for my daily 7pm 400mL cup of coffee

I am once again asking for the best decaf roasted in North America (I do not care where it was grown but thank you aussie bro)

>>17760291
So there are no other fully manual machines?

>>17760420
not him but other than flair roq robot? the 9barista but lol.

oh i know: the coffeejack.

>>17760436
Premium manual don’t exist because it’s a meme?

>>17760420
Theres a bunch of 58 lever knockoffs coming out of asia but nothing too cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdobC12eKD4
https://newtonespresso.co.nz/products/brua

>>17760448
*non spring of course 8spgw

>>17760462
Oh that brua is 51mm my bad. So a shinier worse flair with poor ergo kek.

>>17760462
looking for Londinium quality, whatever that means, in a fully manual machine. not George Forman grill tier flair et al

>>17760448
what kind of product are you suggesting should exist? in coffee, premium generally means better build quality and more functionality. for lever machines more functionality means self-heating, temp control, etc.

if you aren't well served by the flair 58 or the argos, do what everyone else does and get a silvia or lelit anna

>>17760473
Lever suggestions only please, perhaps spring models if full manual is such an absolute meme

Just say you don't know what you're looking for and move on.

https://espressoforge.com/

>>17760491
Are the *as seen on tv tier Flair 58 and *don’t have a clue to,the degree we can’t even release on schedule tier Argos the ONLY manual lever machines then? Aside from robot meme of course etc

>>17760491
this lmao

>>17760509
there are plenty of vintage levers that may suit you better. instead of this never-ending 'how about this one?' why don't you just say what you want in a lever machine?

>>17760524
well I don’t know what I want as I don’t know what exists. I’d like recommendations for manual lever was the point. you mention vintage machine and indeed please point me towards these options.

>>17760536
Buy this and fuck off. You want an off the shelf product that exists and is up to your standards. They'll get it to you within the week, but I'm guessing your budget is less than half of that.
https://londiniumespresso.com/store/lever-espresso-machines/l1-compressa

>>17760536
>well I don’t know what I want as I don’t know what exists
ie you know nothing about espresso machiness and want a lever because they look cool? google will take you a long way man lol

>>17760550
well I was looking at Londinium but it’s spring and I would like manual.

>>17760563
>but it’s spring and I would like manual.
And you have ZERO idea why you want this, right?

reeber cohee dayo

>>17760556
Do manual levers look cool? I don’t know as all I’ve only been able to find so far the aforementioned which look not so cool exactly..maybe cheap is more accurate?

I’m looking for pressure and flow profiling in a machine that doesn’t look like George Forman would be selling on late night infomercials

>>17760602
Cool. Buy a decent or LMLM. You're looking for something to show off, not to make espresso.

>>17760574
I have idea without spring I would have real-time feedback of how the puck is responding to the pressure etc.and could compensate/save shots where my puck prep, or trying new beans/grind were not 100% dialed in, etc

>>17760609
pretty sure he's trolling you dude

>>17760609
Neither level, manual

>>17760617
>>17760617
*lever

I am 100% interested in a manual lever machine, maybe anon who mentioned vintage lever machines will give some options to look at?

>>17760611
and really so much more with having real time feedback of a manual lever I imagine, gut looking for options beyond what I already mentioned

>>17760626
Just buy a streitman and fuck off.
https://www.strietman.net/ct2
https://www.naked-portafilter.com/product/strietman-levers-ct1-and-es3/

>>17760647
It doesn't come with native chinese wall plug. Do you know of some less sinophobic options?

>>17760647
thank you anon

any recommendations for vintage manual lever machines would also be appreciated

notice how this nigga isn't asking about a grinder

Regarding the streitmman, and possibly other manual lever machines like f58 with valve plunger, is there technique to adding water and raising the lever without damaging the puck?

>>17760680
http://www.francescoceccarelli.eu/macchine_storia_eng.htm

>>17760701
Oh I know. Thats how you know he's not trolling, he's just an idiot.
>>17760705
I don't use the valve on the f58. Just fill with the piston fully up.

>>17760701
Nigger you can tell me all you want about grinders. ;)

>>17760715
In reading, I’ve come across the issue with manual levers enough to ask. I would also wonder if putting the portafilter in with the lever srm up and then lowering it before addding water(with the latest f58) would disturb the puck?

>>17760716
ok so basically you need one with a lever and 200mm flat grain burrs. don't settle for less, better exists and you can have it.

>>17760709
thank you anon!

>>17760737
Thanks, I already have a couple hand grinders and ssp aligned electric

>>17760753
>ssp aligned electric
just say df64 bro lmao

>>17760760
it is, but I’m here asking about manual lever machines, still

>>17760771
ok I kneel

>>17760771
I mean it’s very good but not what I’m asking about

>>17760804
In particular I am still looking for Ideas on manual lever machines..I suppose spring might need to be assumed but I’m trying to find a nice straight lever if possible

muh pour over lmfao

>>17760823
Buy all 4 volumes of The Lever Magazine and report back.

>>17760882
true, clearly no one here has read TLM and able to share knowledge. should probably ask Reddit lmfao to get actual informed responses eh?

>>17760894
yes, reddit the home of informed esoteric coffee knowledge. we both know you must go back, it's where you belong.

be well my son.

>>17760906
clearly ?

>>17760894
Yeah. Maybe there is a discord for people like you too

>>17760911
so far

1. buy an unreleased or tested model
2. Muh grinder


Ok

>>17760911
people who wanna make espresso with a non-poorfag tier manual lever machine ?

>>17760919
Ok

>>17760942
Ok

I guess…

>>17760882
Nice!

Do “people” actually buy ground?

>>17760882
Free?

hurr durr I press water through coffee in a plastic tube

Can someone just tell me what manual lever machine is best………

>>17760977
just nigers that don’t own digital scales

i-is this a right wing forum?

>>17761134
Right proper retarded

>>17760926
It's called EAF discord and they're going to tell you to buy a flair 58 or Argos lol. The flair is just good enough not to bitch about, the Argos is potentially better and highly anticipated. You can go on there and talk to the head designer of Argos right now.

>>17761134
eceeyone knows best coffee is bbc coffee

>>17760977
By the acre, or hectare, depending on location. They need somewhere to grow the coffee bushes.

>>17761153
coffee and keyboards are so similar it depresses me lol. i'm such a mark

>>17761153
I would like to know,the other options…which seem to not exist? manual lever, I suppose spring might be all there are beyond those late night commercial options pe8ds

I just wanna pull a better shot

>>17761175
there is nothing wrong with flair

>>17761175
I've given you several. You seem to ignore them because you read a single blurb about puck degradation on the streitman. Buy an espressoforge and fuck off.

>>17761189
There is nothing wrong with peeing into the spread anus of your gf but not everyone wants too innit

Chucked out my moka pot because the bottom chamber's dumbass non-stick interior coating is coming off. Why would anyone think having a plastic coating inside a pressurized boiling chamber on a direct heat source would be healthy long term

>>17761204
it seems sn options for sure, and I would like to hear about any others too! regarding your comment of puck integrity I would hope you understand that a lever lets the user respond to the condition of the puck in real time resulting in a better pull…

I got my wife's son a Flair 58 for his bar mitzvah and the little rascal loves it. I would definitely recommend the Flair 58 to other people who are interested in a lever expresso machine.

pulling shots

what is it?

>>17761247
spring no manual. pulling shsots. i want machine to pull shots no manual spring level

>>17761240
I've got ~$700 of data logging on my direct lever. Don't try to get cute.

Given that espresso is so delicious, aside from aeropress, should pour over even exist?

>>17761234
>italians
>thinking
That's on you to be honest

>>17761255
lemme see, as I too have data

>>17761254
I wish I understood

>>17761271
it ok i ask reddit

>>17761255
Anon…really?

>>17761264
SEP + lunar. Been playing around with the londinium profile.
https://youtu.be/RvAt1Dmqhpkh2

>>17761261
Are you sure that Anon's moka pot was an Italian model? My Bialetti Fiammetta model has an unlined aluminum lower chamber.

>>17761329
I am into similar profiles. i have been pouring water in with lever down but slightly off so water is pouring into puck…I’ve mostly had no issue pouring water in while after s few seconds waiting then slowly pulling the arm up when steady pouring in the water. It takes about 2t seconds this way, and 90% after starting the shot I have a delicious drink….but I have had a couple where after getting the lever to the top after pressing it takes FAR tooo long until the pressure goes up and these pulls actually go to the [ping where the volume is less than possible normslky

bros I don’t to deal with this autism. I just want to literally pull a perfect shot of espresso with my lever machine

ok so i have been watching hoffmanns videos for 2 weeks and i think i am ready for my first espresso machine so i guysss lever? i bought kin grinder and df64 now i need made in shenzen lever no spring...

any cheap good well built vintage new levers bros?

Bros stop being cringe and tell me what manual lever to get plz also no chinky chinky comprende. No spring btw

>>17761663
https://flairespresso.com/product/flair-58/
You can have it by friday.

>>17761370
It's a Bialetti Venus (stainless steel model), has the non-stick coating. I avoid aluminium because of the Alzheimer's meme, my nonno got it so i'm sus. Do anons not care about it?

>>17756985
i read the pastebin :)
its a good start.

>>17761977
thank you. everyone else ignored me..

any specific feedback?

>>17761987
well this is clearly written by a v60 fag ( :) )
should probably leave the memes out of it like hoffmeme (i enjoy the play on his name but for a pastebin focusing on informing new people its probably better to just stick with his actual name)

maybe im an idiot but i think the whole percolator section is weird/unnecessary (oh and this video should probably be linked in the percolator section https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9avjD9ugXc ). like yes the definition of percolation does apply to all of those methods i dont see the point in talking about percolation like that unless you are talking about the percolator specifically, like no one who has doing any of these brewing methods for their whole life thinks about what they are doing as "percolation" unless they are of course using a percolator. probably better to remove that section and just list each brewing method and how it works and variations and maybe some history and if someone else has already done the work just write a short descriptor and link to it (notably the series hoffmann did on both the aeropress and the moka pot are better than anything you could write here)

i think the general writing style used is good, it reads as if you are being spoken to by a friend or something like that.

also it would be nice if this was an unbiased source (i know its very hard) of information. i see v60 and espresso as the most common brewing methods in specialty coffee brewing groups so those 2 methods tend to dominate the scene when it comes to information/reviews/guides. (like you will find hundreds of guides on how to grind for espresso but few if any on things like moka pot where ignorant people just assume you can use an espresso grind and brew perfectly).

thats all i have after 1 read and a brief skim while making the comment. good luck :)

>>17762084
thank you so much for writing this all out i really appreciate it, i'll engage with it in order.

i don't think i consciously chose to write hoffmeme it's so engrained in me at this point lol.

as for percalator my intention is to include a short blurb distinguishing the percalator from percolation brewing so newcomers who may have heard of percolators don't automatically associate the two. I agree it's not so cut and dry but my intention with the immersion/percolation/hybrid sectioning isn't to segregate coffee brewing into esoteric categories. i wanted to roughly sort out on the page and in the mind of a coffee-naiive newfriend how brew methods roughly relate to each other. a list seemed like less information conveyed in the same space as sections but I agree it isn't perfect.

aeropress, moka pot, espresso etc will all lean heavily on hoffmeme videos. my intention isn't to compete with his videos but rather hand them off to new friends. he's really accrued an insane catalogue of bangers over the years.

i don't know if I'd call my writing biased, or at least i'm not letting negative bias slip. I hate french press but you wouldn't be able to tell it by it's section. As for the v60 section, my goal was to describe the v60 in the context of it's place in coffee so I think I should mention the competition success. I do agree it should be as unbiased as possible though so I've changed it to provide a bit more nuance.

let me pick your brain on this: I don't think we should include any recipes. it gets too dicey too quickly for newfriends imo. i think just linking videos to good recipes (hoffmeme, lance hedrick, etc) should suffice. what do you think?

>>17756985
Cool pastebin OP, maybe down the track a list of recommended devices broken into price ranges? Or perhaps just a "thinks to avoid" section. I am a filthy tourist and lurk here to pick up on things like that

>>17762271
>maybe down the track a list of recommended devices broken into price ranges?
on the way ! brewers and grinders and espresso machines and kettles, all that.

>"thinks to avoid" section
this is interesting but it may be too divisive for /ctg/ lel. one mans hard avoid is another's daily brewer

thanks for the feedback bro, will keep at it ! if you guys have more ideas/critique pls drop them in the thread and i'll probably read them at some point

>>17762228
(thinking out loud a bit)

i think recipes are tricky. because yes you dont want to overload new people but you also dont want to just send them to other places like its all been written about and talked about for decades so you can always find some place to send people instead of just rewriting stuff. but that probably feels bad for a new person just being told to go to xyz places instead.

also it depends on what is defined as a recipe. is the difference between a guide and a recipe just listing exact measurements of things?
can you write about how to brew a moka pot start to finish and not have it be a recipe, like someone walked you through baking a cake would that no also be them giving you a recipe to bake a cake?

you could also have a "beginners" and "advanced" sections of the pastebin. or perhaps a better option would be to outline what recipes are/look like and how they are used within communities like this and then tell people to comment in the thread asking people for their recipes. this could drive more engagement with this general and push people to stick around and not just enter, read the pastebin and then leave.

Advanced seems necessary for autism like baking soda/epsom salt concentrates to get water gh/kh values just right. There are some handy spreedsheets for that. Maybe water filter recommendations too?

>tfw dont even drink coffee but work as barista in a cafe
I just make up random shit when some hipster show up and asking about some of the beans

>>17762452
95%+ of people who frequent cafes don't know shit about coffee. they're caffeine addicts who like the aesthetic

If coffee is so great, why does it make me shit?

>>17762452
How tight is your pussy?

>>17762564
I love shitting

>>17762580
who doesn’t

>>17762583
Me because when I do it blood comes out

>>17762590
nerve gas

>>17762592
Close but I actually have AIDS. Lance Hedrick filled me with a pozzed load in the backroom of the WBrC 2019 and I was diagnosed last year.

>>17762564
This is the whole purpose of coffee, bud.

>>17757682
I really, really want to try one. I know it's most likely going to be underwhelming, but manga are one hell of an advertisement.

>>17759038
This, normies will never know that coffee can taste like fruit juice, they're forever stuck with three shades of over-extracted dark roast, poor basterds.

whats a coffee close to instant type 2?

Can I make something out of the handful (<5g) of beans I have leftover when switching roast?

>>17762740
nothing...

>>17762776
you can but you shouldn't.

>>17759375
Whoops, original question anon here, yeah should've been more specific it was the gooseneck kettle with the temp presets buttons on the base
>plain kettle
Exactly that, it was some kitchen aid electric kettle I got some 10-odd years ago that took well over 5 minutes to get to a boil
Gooseneck meme or not I do pour overs for most of my coffees and tea for guests so I ended up picking it in the end

>>17762797
I kinda bit into one and was really tempted to just eat it because it tasted really good. There's no side effects, is there?

>>17763086
no. i remember ages ago i ate coffee beans coated in chocolate and it was really good. (lots of chewing)

>>17762727
canned coffee is absolutely shite.
because the japs have the palatal sophistication of children they make the coffee almost sweet, even the 'black' types. desu it's impressive how dreadful they mange to make it

>>17763109
I'd definitely try and make that if I had any chocolate at hand. Such a shame.

>>17763074
Hope you like it! Don't worry about retardnon, everyone else knew what kettle you were talking about.

>>17761732
Is it a pain to heat the brew chamber it if you get the fullly manual, no electric heating, option?
Flair 58 gotta be the best. I feel an inferiority complex about the pro2's awkward basket shape

>>17763332
>everyone else knew
im literally the only cunt in this thread that replied, if ANYONE else knew what that guy was talking about they would have said something. i was the only cunt that said anything and i was saying how neither i or anyone else knew what he was talking about and if he gave literally any fucking details maybe someone would respond.

fuck you and that kettle schizo.

>>17763372
Nevermind I checked it on Youtube. Yeah it's the same steam method as the flair pro. Aside from the neat portability I get with the pro, the 58 is better in many ways

getting ready to make some cofee

>>17763591
look at you bro!

after brewing.
no channeling.

this one will probably be sideways too

>>17763383
Everyone else knew because they can afford the gooseneck meme. Your poorfag brain just thought a kettle shouldn't cost more than $30.

>>17763411
The 58 costs almost 600$. Imo that somewhat defeats the purpose. Flair Neo (without the retarded portafilter) + pressure gauge + 100$ handgrinder is the ultimate poorfag Espresso set-up. If you want to upgrade from there you should just save a bit longer and then get a real machine.

>>17763145
>the japs have the palatal sophistication of children
How so? They have some weird fucking fast food and silly versions of Western dishes, but the actual cuisine looks fine to me. They also have some of the highest food quality and healthiest diets in the world (although that is incidental to taste, obviously).

is it possible to get a decent plumbed espresso maker for under 2k ?

>>17763759
Have you ever blind-tested shots from different machines in the 1-3k range? The world of espresso is 20% food science and 80% greasy Italian fugazi. A more expensive machine might not be worth it for people whose palette can't actually keep up. I went full autism for a couple of years, spending thousands and now I'm all the way back to drinking coffee from a 20$ French Press lol. The only purchase I haven't regretted at all was a decent hand-grinder and it'll last me the rest of my life.

Sounds like complete bullshit but keep larping if it helps.

>>17763825
Based shizo Chad talking to himself because nobody else has anything interesting to say. What are you drinking today?

>Noooo you have to give him (you)s he worked hard on that larp
Personally I spent thousands smoking Opus Xs now I'm all the way back to smoking backwoods. They pair great with maragogipe.

>>17763602
Why did you overswirl it? Look at those longitudinal striations

>>17763927
You can even see it in the thumbnail kek.

>>17763990
i see wut u did dere

God damn maple cortados are the best.

lol this guy puts sugar and milk in his coffee

>>17763795
> blind-tested shots
no.
but i want to buy an espresso maker that i can plumb into at a price point of under 2k
i want something that looks nice, is easy to use and won’t break down easily.
i live in NH and it’s fairly inconvenient to go out to get an espresso. i just want to be able to make it at home

>>17764610
you're the guy that asked about fixing a commercial machine arent you lol

>>17762797
>>17762776
>>17763086
I can easily make a delicious 5g 120ml brew in the hario switch. grind finer, steep longer

i'm gonna try to make a 5g brew

>>17765025
report back

I put a little of this in the maple cortado and its strangely great.
https://woodlandfoods.com/products/triple-inferno-sea-salt/c-23/p-17985

Thoughts on the Moccamaster brewers? An espresso machine seems like overkill for me since I prefer black coffee to espresso-based drinks. I'm tired of the Aeropress and I don't like the cleanup and limited size of a French press.

>>17765568
take the hario switch pill

>>17765568
Based boomer appliance. Go with a ratio6 or 8 if you want the third wave equivalent.

>>17765645
I want a heated carafe. I suppose I could get the switch + insulated carafe.
>>17765728
Much more visually appealing, thanks

>>17765764
hario switch + fellow carter. btfos a machine. look into it

>>17765764
Get a thermal carafe not a hotplate. You'll only cook the fuck out of your coffee with the heated carafe.

>>17765840
I like my Fellow Carter but I use it with my Aeropress or more often my Breville Precision Brewer

>>17765764
>I want a heated carafe
No, you do not

>>17764675
no, i would never try to fix something.
i’m the guy who posted the pour over pics above. i’ve been drinking pour over coffee almost every day since summer 2018 and i miss espresso.

>>17761768
What the fuck. I was just going to buy a stainless steel Bialetti. Plastic lining in a hot water pressure chamber? what the fuck are they thinking?!
They don't sell any of the other Italian brands here, I don't feel like ordering online anymore for now, and the Chinese Bialetti knockoffs are absolutely terrible. Guess no mokapots for me...

Flair coffee has been terrible too. Either it went rancid after only 1 month or I forgot something I used to do before. Shit's just lingering bitter nastiness now. Hope I remember how I used to do it right

>>17762727
Canned coffee is great because of the ubiquity of vending machines and little else. It's not good coffee, but it's coffee you can have pretty much whenever you want wherever you are.

>>17766234
>Hope I remember how I used to do it right
What flair and whats your routine/recipe? Make sure everything is fully heat soaked and don't be afraid to preinfuse for 20-25s and run a longer shot time. With the old tall flair basket I had I was running 55s shots and loving them.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JiQxoaMc-fg

>>17766426
I was just venting. I mostly got everything right and for a while coffee tasted real great, but the last few times were bad. It's signature pro2
I preheat with steam from the kettle, and I've experimented with preinfusing too. It'll be fine I'll figure it out.
WDT is especially annoying for me because of the odd shape of the basket. I used to just poke the needles all the way to the bottom in multiple places or sometimes rotate it in its place without stirring. When I stir with the WDT I feel like I'm creating more problems for myself

>>17766441
Printing this out and having it as a quick reference really helped me a couple years ago.
https://www.baristahustle.com/blog/the-espresso-compass/

>>17766515
Yeah man you helped me before, I think. I have it ready on my desktop for my coffeetimes. It's a useful chart.

20g 20s
that is what I always do

how is the trade coffee thing

The pastebinis is nice. Maybe link that hoffmeme audiobook an anon shared a few threads ago to go with the pdf

>>17766532
can you makean americano by keep adding yield then?
I mean its already a dilute espresso

>>17766672
Dunno. I thought the rule was to not brew it for too long or you'd start extracting the bad flavors. It might be a really bad tasting americano

>>17766672
Basically what filter 2.0 is right?
https://www.scottrao.com/blog/2021/9/28/decent-coffee-shots
>>17766532
Yeah that was me. Its a good chart. Should probably be in the pastebin.

>>17766619
17g, 25 seconds, 36g out gets me something I really like across a range of beans I like from one roaster, and gets me one extra cup (and an even number that at two a day means a bag lasts a week perfectly) over dosing at 18.

I do like updosing if I'm making a milk drink though

>https://youtu.be/Ra_BBJSJuuQ
tfw no tomboy barista gf

>>17766964
I would let her taste my boymilk if you catch my drift

>>17763795
Made my first french press coffee attempt using this method and it was pretty damned good, I really liked the end result but I don't have anything to compare it to as of yet.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st571DYYTR8
I had to do it with espresso ground coffee though because I ordered whole bean samples and for some retarded reason they sent me espresso grind instead.
Not sure whether a coarser grind would work better, given that I am not plunging the filter a finer grind might produce a better result.

No grits went through the filters on the espro p5, I like it but probably not the best value for money product out there compared to a cheap one.
I think I will stick with french press as my daily driver, it takes a while to brew with that method but the results are consistent and it is dead simple and easy to clean.
Curious to try out a more involved brewing method over the weekend like vaccuum syphon, but I am tempted to hop into espresso with a manual lever like a flair product or equivalent.
vaccum syphon seems similar to french press except filtered with a paper filter.
I think espresso would have a more distinguishable taste making it worth the effort.

>>17767775
>james hoffman
idk arent you supposed to let the coffee brew for a few minutes? in his method he explicitly says you should stir the top immediately after the pouring to stop the brewing and let it "chill". Feels like this method runs a chsnce of under-extraction

>>17766964
too outwardly enthusiastic for me
i would be uncomfortable

Natural processed coffee is dogshit

about to get so caffeinated

ITS OUT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXbQx2hfA5k

>>17768498
Is his audience supposed to be autists, or coffee gear consumers?

favorite keurig cup? i'm trying to expand my palate past french vanilla

>>17768522
what's the difference?

>>17768524
>keurig
you have to go back

>>17768498
As an autist I appreciate it. Didn't learn any ethics, but his explanations are good.

>>17768529
parents income?

>>17768583
either option can be financially independent or be on an allowance.

>>17768629
how, exactly, do I get an allowance to buy coffee paraphernalia

Quick, matte black or barre metal machine?

>>17768673
8 bar, 6 bar spring btw

>>17768480
I should sell my barista tamp and buy the new bigstep :/

>>17768693
i am quick to realize size matters

>>17765053
5g/140ml switch

30g 2min bloom, open switch at 1:00
Switch closed at 2:00, 110g in
Stir at 3:00
Small jiggle and open switch at 4:00, discard the last 10ml that stalls. That last bit adds nothing but bitter.

The result is a small cup of well balanced, tasty coffee. I've always known it was possible to make great small cups but having done it, I can see myself doing this as a small pick me up here and there. I think it'd be great around 5pm on days you can't have a full cup.

>>17768728
Damn anon props to you, I had just come into the thread wondering if you'd tried it yet. That cup looks almost like tea, in color.

Other espressofags, do you change up your dose/yield often? I've been doing 16g coffee/32g output for a while now and haven't really changed it up.

>>17768736
All your filter coffee can look that color if you have a glass cup and a lamp but yeah I wouldn't go looking for body in a 5g brew lol

>>17768728
Looks great but is it worth "wasting" a filter on such a small amount? Thats kind of the whole reason I didn't immediately pull the trigger on the urushi lacquer yasukiyo. I didn't see myself keeping 1cup filters around just in case I wanted a slightly smaller mug. Now I've got boxes of chemex filters sitting around waiting to be hole punched kek.
>>17768744
I usually keep the grind ~1g and just adjust through output/grind/flow.

Looks like this is finally coming out. Acaia+weber 64mm single doser at $1350 this summer. Could be an option for anyone wanting a p64 and wanting to save a few bucks and not end up with a burnt out df64.
https://acaia.co/blogs/news/orbit-grinder-update

>>17768648
have dumb parents with too much disposable income.

>>17768826
>electric
no thanks

>>17768826
>burnt out

>>17768848
Do dumb people really have disposable income?

>>17768826
The way P64 supply is going though, you can get a P64, use it until god knows when the Orbit will ship and then sell it locally for what you paid for it. Maybe you'd take a loss selling local in the US but the local used coffee gear market here is atrocious

>>17768524
>keurig
pretty sure even a shitty ass robusta mix in a french press can yield better results

>>17768826
I was just wishing there were more overpriced chinkshit available!

>>17768920
yes

>>17769024
>>17769024
>>17769024