/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>17726184
It's a bastardized version of each culture that resides there. Every dish is made to be palatable to everyone. It's diversity. It's the food world order.

Burgers
Pizza

>>17726184
American culture is just a culture born from many cultures being fused into one since America is a nation of immigrants. So when you say its all shit from other countries then yes because thats how America came to be in the first place.

>>17726184
>look at "French food", and most of it is just "normal" american food like beef and potaoes or whatnot,
Wow, it's almost as if food needs to be made up of basic components. Potatoes are native to the new world though, so they're objectively more American than anything.

>>17726200
>>17726206
>>17726208
The issue is that you look at fettucinni and think "Italian" instantly, or Paela and think "Spanish".
But there's virtually nothing that you think "American!" On sight except cheeseburgers.

>>17726184
Look up "New American" cuisine, OP.
American food is more than fast food or stereotypes like >>17726201
It's my favorite style for fine dining even though I didn't grow up eating anything like it.

>>17726225
When I think American food the instant thing is the Baseball Hot Dog. Then yes Cheeseburgers..... Buffalo Wings as well. Then all that deep fried Faire food.

>>17726184
*other cuisine* w/ cheese

What did natives eat before being "colonized" ?

>>17726268
This white boy ass muhahaha. But shame on us for what we did.

>>17726225
Meatloaf, cassarole, Midwestern sushi, apple pie, hot dogs, thin cut bacon, pancakes, blackened catfish, several different styles of BBQ, Rueben sandwiches (the sandwich itself was invented here), ranch dressing

>>17726276
barbacoa is from caribbean islanders and buccaneers who sheltered in the area, not the US.

>>17726298
>barbacoa
Gesundheit

>>17726274
>But shame on us for what we did.
cuck behavior, giving those degenerates funny blankets was the chadliest move ever

The American south has its own cuisine

I would say any european food that uses new world ingredients is inherently "american"

Americans make everything so real local dishes get drowned out in that noise. Basically any comfort foods from any nation that immigrated here. Which is everyone. So much of American cuisine is now either historic old world or new fusion dishes.

Real American foods are typically based around the harvest seasons. So dishes made with the harvest feasts should come to mind. Greens, corn, root vegetables, and roasts. Then you can look towards the coasts and have unique ingredients for chowders, surf and turf, and sourdough bread. My favorite is blackberry pie. That is incredible if you can get it.

>>17726314
I'm increasingly blase about the entire idea of any culture owning any type of food meaningfully. Everything is basic variations of the same ideas modulo whatever grows near them. I just try different things and don't worry about it.

>>17726184
Saying "American food" is like saying "European food" and doesn't reflect the cultural diversity of the US. It's a big fucking country.

>>17726314
>>17726208
Potatoes are seen as more of a Irish and german food than it'll ever be seen as a US food due to their overreliance on them in the past.

>>17726184
America's cuisine, like its people, is drawn from all nations but raised to the ultimate heights of quality and taste, due to (1) evolutionary advantage; only the strongest had the fortitude to leave the "old country", and (2) our limitless wealth and natural resources. Maybe Martian colonists will eventually surpass us, but for now, USA is the world's pinnacle, its endgame, as reflected in all aspects of human culture, but ESPECIALLY food. For example, have you ever seen Italian "pizza"? Those greasy Meds are at LEAST 20 years away from developing a domestic competitor to the Batman Calzony. And what about Japan? Hellooooo, did nobody ever think to COOK the fish before eating it? This is pretty basic stuff, guys. But hey, we get it, you're intellectually disadvantaged. For example, most of you foreigners have to go to school to learn English, while our American children pick it up naturally. GG, NO RE.

>>17726245
>American food is more than fast food
Haha well meme'd, friend

>>17726342
To be fair here, Cajun/Creole food is inherently American despite being made by french immigrants, as it never existed in France.

So there's at least one 100% unique style for the US.

>>17726314
Those, poor, poor Italians. What did they even have before Americans graciously gave them the tomato, through the culinary diplomacy of Chef Boyardee (recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom)? Was it all just dry noodles reconstituted from Roman aqueduct concrete, and... limoncello? But it's not just a one way street, and in the fiercely competitive global marketplace, every American should thank Italy for its efforts in weakening Germany's EU.

>>17726274
Why would I be ashamed
My ancestors were great warriors who destroyed and subjugated tribes in the other side of the planet. That's something worth celebrating!

>>17726276
>casserole
French not American
>pancakes
American style pancakes are English but sharts eat them with corn syrup

>>17726225
>fettucinni
pasta was from china

>>17726369
Cajun is different than Creole which is different from Lowcountry which is different than traditional country cooking. And that's all cuisine found within just 3 states in the southeastern US, all using different local and traditional ingredients.
America is so big that only historical powerhouses like BBQ can storm the whole country, but EVERY population has foods that can only be found and sourced from the area. That's what generally defines national cuisines in other countries.

>>17726422
False, it's just a legend. Pasta is from Roman times

>that legitimately aren't from other countries first
What do you want us to say?
Corn, tomatoes, potatoes, and peppers all came from the Americas.
They were all shipped to Europe, wherein all those nations revitalized their delicacies, and then their children moved to the US.
Those children proceeded to spread out and colonize the entire US within a couple generations, and after a sudden and aggressive increase in both travel and communication there was little room for a singular culinary identity to form.

With that said, the culinary practice that the US honed that other nations were slow to pick up was BBQ. That originated and stayed largely in the Americas and saw it's strongest developments to the modern forms in the lower Appalachians before getting carried westward during Manifest Destiny.

>>17726372
>Was it all just dry noodles
No, they didn’t even have noodles, retard.

>>17726184
It's Anglo food with corn syrup and plastic flavoured cheese added to it and imitation Mexican cuisine prepared very poorly

>>17726417
>American style pancakes are English but sharts eat them with corn syrup
we usually eat them with high quality imported pure maple syrup from the northern colony

Buffalo chicken wing.

>>17726268
Maize

>>17726308
Creole cooking is slightly tweaked French cooking

>>17726184
Honestly, BBQ is the first thing that comes to mind. I don't think you'll find real southern BBQ in any other nation. Often imitated, never replicated in my opinion.

>>17726319

>>17726641
Meat should not be sweet. that's for pastries and deserts.

>>17726184
This notion that America is "stealing food culture" is pretty dumb. Most of this ethnic food is made by immigrants who moved to the country and are still first generation. So, who exactly is the USA "stealing" from? The USA didn't steal food anymore than immigrants came here and imported it themselves. Blame other countries for coming here and exporting their culture if you have such a problem

>>17726684
There are plenty of bbq's that aren't necessarily sweet. That's the beauty of BBQ sauce in America desu. Even the shittiest of grocery stores will have at least 20 different kinds to choose from. Have you never had BBQ ribs? I make a killer chipotle BBQ sauce that has a lot more heat than sweet that I bet you would enjoy anon-san.

>>17726684
>He's never had bbq.
Sad. Many such cases.

>>17726184
>There is no food that is uniquely American. And that's why I'm sure American food is so terrible. Because...it's just food....from other countries. What was my point again? Oh yeah! Do Americans really??

>>17726787
Seething. America takes other cultures food and makes it bad

>>17726706
>diversity is our strength!
>keep to your own kind, especially the food you choose to eat

>>17726268
Fish and corn and berries and sometimes land meat. They never got the memo that hunter/gatherer was so several thousand years ago.

>>17726796
No one takes anything. People come here, and alter their recipes based on what's available locally. Most of the time it ends up being better food on the whole. Sorry this makes you mad.

>>17726811
Worked

>>17726184
Texas alone has more territory than most European countries. So it doesn't make much sense to group the entire US together as having a single cuisine. Different regions of the US have different dishes they're more known for, like obviously a region by water like New England is going to be more into seafood dishes like clam chowder for example.

>>17726225
There's dozens of dishes that immediately scream "'murrica" to me, and not just fast food and burgers/pizza/etc. I can think of way more than I can for Spain.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_foods

https://cuesa.org/article/10-foods-native-americas

https://www.britannica.com/list/18-food-crops-developed-in-the-americas

>>17726276
Apple pie, thin cut bacon, meatloaf, and casserole are not American. They are definitely from Western Europe. Probably England.

>>17726684
Aside from what the other replies said, I can't think of where you would live where your belief would be common rather than ignorant of your own country's cuisine.
Most of Europe, Asia, and the Americas have at least one dish designed to pair sweet flavors to meat.

>>17727411
And tomatoes aren't Italian
Who cares retard, when you say "apple pie" you think america

>>17728049
This is what always makes me chuckle.
Marinara=classic Italian sauce. Tomatoes aren't native to Italy.
Bangers and mash=classic British dish. Neither sausage nor potato are from Britain.
"Apple pie is definitely from western Europe." Apples are from Khazakhstan.
If you're hell bent on reducing everything back to it's absolute origin, then there really won't be any different cultures anywhere.

>>17728067
Euros are kings of being fucking retarded children, so no surprise there

>>17726787
Eurotards cope so hard. Not to mention no country's cuisine is safe from outside influence. Noodles were invented in China, spices are from india, italian chefs taught the french how to cook, shepards from Jordan taught the mexicans how to roast meat, it's all the same shit. Anyone can do it well, and anyone can make a shitty dish.

New American cuisine, which is basically a continuation of french fusion, has completely dominated the restaurant scene for the past 20+ years, just like the California wine revolution in the 70s. Fusion and taking authentic inspiration from multiple cultures and blending them into new/inventive creations has been the meta for decades.

>>17728049
Apple pie is definitely fucking not only American. I come from an area with tons of fruit and I'm not thinking "oh some American made this before they did it here about 400 years ago."

>>17728122
And pasta isn't only Italian.
Rice isn't only Chinese.
Wine isn't only French.
You're missing the entire point.

>>17728181
they already got btfo>>17728104

Euros cling to being "authentic", but in reality all their most famous foods were influenced or came from other places. There's nothing wrong with it and they taste good, but that's just what it is. No one cuisine is sacred or uniquely their own and they've all been massively influence by outsiders over time.

Also each of their countries is tiny in comparison to ours, so what is a national style of cuisine in their country is really more like regional cuisines in America.

>>17726274
It's pretty fucked to be desu

>>17726201
Americans may have popularised pizza but the default European pizza is not the American sausage pizza, but the capricciosa with ham and mushrooms, which is not something you'll see on American pizzas. I think Americans will sooner top their pizza with chicken or ground meat than with ham.

>>17726225
As a bong, these things seem uniquely American: biscuits and gravy (I don't think anyone else does that type of gravy), green bean casserole, watergate salad, pumpkin pie, cornbread, po-boy, chilli on spaghetti, deep dish pizza, shit on a shingle, sloppy joe, cheese steak, gumbo, and that particular kind of soft bread, smoked beef hotdog.
There's a bunch of ingredients / condiments too that seem purely American to me: fluff, ranch, cool whip, old bay, pepperjack cheese, those flavoured coffee creamer things, dough in a can.

>>17726422
Not even the Chinese believe this except Chinese equivalent of retarded zoomers

Anything Guy Fieri would eat

>>17729375

>>17726422
A type of noodle is from China. It's just like they claim to have invented printing, but they just invented a printing method.

>>17726184
buffalo wings

>>17726276
The duke of Sandwich will disagree with your "out of my ass"- statements.

>>17729163
default euro pizza is margherita

>>17726184
>Its hard to think of things that legitimately aren't from other countries first
That is because of written history and the relatively young state of America. There are tons of overlap around the world it is just not recognized because it happened way earlier or before written history. The other thing to note is that many American ingredients were incorporated into European cuisine, whereas others weren't even cultivated in the US and remained wild. Sugar came from India, should we consider sweet desserts not European? Basil came from Asia, and tomatoes came from the Americas, should we consider caprese not Italian? What about coffee? Do we considered it Turkish cuisine? America has dishes that are unique, but in an age of travel they just spread quickly. On the other side American has influence from much of Europe and has integrated those into it's cuisine. Up until the late 1800s much of American cuisine was Anglo influenced. After the Germans, Italians, etc started to move in you started seeing more of that influence. Yet that does not preclude America from still having unique dishes, even if they were influenced by these other cultures, just as those other cultures were influenced by other cultures.

One of the things that takes from America cuisine is that many uniquely American ingredients like ramps, pawpaw, choke berry, black walnut are things that were never cultivated in favor of things which already were hundreds of years ago. America even has extinct ingredients like the American Chestnut that have been long forgotten. The biggest factor in America cuisine has to be industrialization though. Many traditional dishes were forgotten because of easier to produce ingredients. There are 1400 apple varieties, but there are only 6 or 7 you can regularly find in American stores. Same with peaches and citrus. With grocery chains in place of farmers markets of the past many traditional and regional dishes have gone by the wayside.

>>17729565
Good post. On the applie varieties, the story I'd heard was that prohibitionists cut down all the old cider apple trees, irrevocably destroying the vast majority of varieties.

>>17726268
Corn, squash and beans
The three sisters

>>17730411
Yes. I heard similar things. Though you can still get a lot of varieties from orchards. You can also get seeds for heirloom varieties too. I had grown three russet trees from seed a few years ago. Sadly I had to sell them because I was moving.

>>17726268
Corn, fish, squash, and the occasional game.

>>17726308
This brings up a good point. The US is so large that it’s more that it doesn’t have ONE cuisine than that it doesn’t have ANY cuisine.

Panamerican culture is a myth. There are multiple different cuisines that originate in the US, mostly in the south. Barbecue, soul food, calabashy, tex-mex, appalachy, cajun, etc. And there's obviously more that I'm not familiar with, like cuisine from yankeedom or the empty quarter.

>>17726298
Barbacoa is not barbecue.

>>17728049
Maybe if you're American, but apple pie has been a thing in the UK and several other European countries since the middle ages, definitely don't associate it with the US over here

This map is really interesting when talking about the different varieties of American cuisine.

>>17730525
it's interesting how you can locate cities based solely on their specific racial makeup compared to the surrounding area.

>>17726201
Germany
Italy

>>17730522
It's not the same type though. America's is unique.

>>17730568
How so? Looks pretty similar to me

>>17726412
>in the other side of the planet
Great warriors sure, but intellectuals? Doesn’t look like it

>>17727411
The origin of meatloaf seems to be panhaas and pennsylvania scrapple, but I can't find any german or european references to panhaas/pan hare that arent sourced from sites talking about scrapple. It appears to originate from the pennsylvania dutch in the colonies.

American food is any food I don’t like (I hate America)

>>17730806
Oh yes exactly the same...

>>17730955
Picrel

>>17729258
What bread are you talking about?

>>17729258
>I don't think anyone else does that type of gravy
It's literally just a thin blonde roux with too much cracked black pepper. Sometimes they make it with the pan grease from the chicken if its chicken and gravy. It is the most french sauce in the known universe.

>>17730551
Saying that burgers are German is a midwit take. They're loosely based on Danish frikadellen, but differ in that they lack fillers and are served on a bun. The burger was invented in the US.

>>17730990
Point to me which other cuisine makes a roux from sausage fat and serves it over a laminated pastry. I fucking hate eurangutans.

>>17726184
Any dish or variation of a dish that was developed in the US is American food. A lot of foods that are marketed as foreign are actually American.

>>17730551
Tomatoes are from the Americas. Therefore pizza can't be Italian. Sorry sweaty.

>>17731044
Im not euro, I'm a southern US with an irrational hatred for the parts of the southern US that think creole is anything more than vulgar french.

>>17730496
>>17726184
Southern African American "soul food" is probably the most original, distinctively American cuisine. Fried chicken, macaroni and cheese, grits, cornbread, greens in pork fat, etc. are some of the most instantly recognizable "American" foods.

>>17726206
>since America is a nation of immigrants
It's not, that's some meme promoted by one from the tribe.

>>17731075
>only le heckin blacks have cuisine, but white americans have none xDDD
kys reddit tranny

>>17730990
Sorry. The Egyptians are credited with making the first flour. And butter was first made in Africa about 8000 B.C. Therefore Roux is actually African.

>>17731075
>lists foods that basketball americans didn't even create
yep, it's a self-hating bunkercuck revisionist

>>17726274
Go kiss a nigger’s boots, cuck

>>17731059
Creole is not cajun retard. Creole is African inspired food. Cajun is the French cousin as it came from Cajuns in French Canada who moved down south to Louisiana picking up things from injuns as they went, like file powder.

>>17731087
>>17731091
I didn't say that, I just said it is possibly the most recognizable, or at least one of them. Why is everyone on this site such a race-baiting retard?

>>17731059
>I'm a southern US
ESL spotted. A real Southerner would know that biscuits and gravy aren't creole.

>>17731184
Not only are biscuits and gravy creole, creole is ESL.

>>17731260
Biscuits and gravy isn't creole you absolute mouthbreather. It originated in the anglo-descended part of the South.
> creole is ESL.
Most are monolingual English speakers. The Louisiana Creole language is dying.

>>17726184
Texmex and Cajun food
Hot dog sandwiches

>>17728181
My point is that nobody thinks of America when you say "apple pie". Maybe when you live in America you do. Pasta makes you think Italy. You made a point that it isn't originally Italian and I believe you. It's just that apple pie does not make me think American. And nobody I know had that reaction.

>>17730959
So American apple pie is an apple crumble with a pie base? If so fair enough, different style to what we usually have here, but similar enough that it doesn't make apple pie an entirely American dish.

>>17732634
And there's sugar and spices in your pie which are Indian, so it makes yours not entirely European... Stop splitting hairs. Yes there is lots of overlap between European food and food from a pan European country that started taking shape just 500 years ago. That's what happens with food. Ingredients and ideas are taken and mixed. Germans have pickled cabbage and Koreans have pickled cabbage. Should we consider them the same? Shoulder we try to determine who came up with it first?

It's really ignorant to expect complete purity of cuisine when much of America's influence was European, much of it's agricultural product European, much of it's population of European decent. Yes there are some similarities to European food. Wow!

The “what is American food and what is American culture” debate is for europoors so they remain distracted from pondering their own pathetic lives. As an American you shouldn’t have the time to contemplate such nonsense because you should be too busy being proud to be American and you should be distracted by only patriotism that goes along with living in the best country.

>>17730975
I meant "soft bread, smoked beef hotdog" as one item.

>>17730990
This stuff, where it's like ground pork and milk stew but still called gravy. I don't think gravy anywhere else includes meat chunks.

>>17732049
I doubt that. It's pretty obvious that you can't quit thinking about America at all.

>>17733047
Nobody's arguing about origin of ingredients here, we're talking about origin of dishes. Sure, some foods are invented independently by multiple cultures, not really relevant though because apple pie ain't one of them. It's a European dish that was brought over to the Americas by European settlers.

I'm not even saying Americans have no cuisine independent of Europe because they do. America even has several sweet pies that are definitively American: pumpkin pie, pecan pie, key lime pie... just not apple pie. Because that's an English dish.

>>17726225
Red velvet cake
Meatloaf
Hot dish
Tuna noodle casserole
Gumbo
Biscuits and gravy
Pumpkin pie
Variations on hotdogs

All of these are from America and feel American.

>>17730489
>occasional

>>17729523
Duke of my ass

>>17731084
The indigenous population is relatively tiny. Almost everybody here has ancestors that came from somewhere else, even if it was England or the Netherlands in the 1600s.

And the American foods I can think of at the moment involve corn (maize):
Scrapple
Indian Pudding
Corn Flakes (although successfully marketed abroad)

>>17728049
This doesn't make sense faggot. It would make sense if you said "apples are not from this region", not the entire dish itself.
also an amerifat

>>17726268
pemmican

>>17733700
>Meatloaf
Couldn't have said it better myself

I don't get it.
I'm just cooking the same dishes that my great great grandfather passed down to me.
How did I steal anything?

>>17729523
The duke of sandwich invented the rueben? (=^▽^)σ

>>17733642
Derivations are still unique. Yes they are heavily influenced, but when entire parts are changed, added, or enhanced they are their own thing. The American apple pie is a stand out different dish from the European one. But again for the first 350 years America was an Anglo country. It's dishes were just expanded on dishes from the UK with some unique ingredients from America thrown in there.

It's like expecting Canada, Australia, and New Zealand to have strikingly unique dishes from the UK and Europe, but again that's just not the case even with the car range of ingredients in New Zealand and Australia that are not found in Europe.

>>17726184
mcdonalds topped with butter, heart attack tier sauce, fake cheese, msgs. Comes with diet coke ("soda")

>>17726184
Tomatoes and potatoes are native to America. Therefore every European dish that uses tomatoes and/or potatoes is actually just ripping off American cuisine.

Same is said about yellow maize corn and chili peppers.

>>17733918
>yellow maize corn
No one use that here in Europe (except maybe larpers and farmers to feed livestock)

>>17726184
Ausfag here feel free to correct me but guessing the following:

-chipped beef (a.k.a shit on a shingle)
-Any casserole seems american to me like their equal to a broth/soup/stew mix of stuff
-corndogs
-Most southern food like fried chicken, collard green and other nigger shit
-On a food chemical level creating HFCS

iunno

>>17726305
>>17729117
>>17731094
Kys

>>17729423
Koreans invented the printing press

>>17733986
Amerifag here. Pretty legit but I would add the disgusting spray cheese in a can we have.
also deep fried oreos.

>>17726225
Anytime I see deep fried food I think American. We deep fry butter here it's fucking disgusting

>>17734018
>We deep fry butter

>>17733986
There's more to southern food than fried chicken and collards. And much of it is not black food.

>>17733866
Is it really much of a deviation though? What has been changed? The pic sent earlier just looks like a Dutch apple pie, another country that has been eating their own version of the dish since long before the US was a thing. And every other image I can find just looks like standard English apple pie.

Nobody's expecting those countries to have strikingly unique dishes, of course there's European influence but every colonial country has done their own thing with what's available. I'm literally just saying that this one dish isn't an American one, and that plenty of people outside the US don't associate it with the US.

As a Brit, I’ll give you a quick fire of dishes I see as American.
Pepperoni pizza
Deep dish pizza
Fruit pies eg peach, cherry pies
Cream pies
Key lime pie
Sweet potato pie
Chowder
Whole lobster (never had it)
Donuts
Tex mex - burritos etc
Bagels
Burgers
Hot dogs
Corn dogs
Grits
Cornbread
Hash browns
Sweet and spicy barbecue - ribs, brisket etc
Sweet or cold coffees and teas
Caesar salad
Cobb salad
Deep fried chicken
Ranch dressing
Cajun chicken
S’mores
Chicken pot pie
Sourdough (best one maybe)
Grape jelly
Cranberry sauce
Ok I think I’ve run dry.

>>17726268
Each other

>>17726422
Lol ching chong ling long

>>17726184
It's me banging your mom