/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>17674203
>cast iron cult
What type of cookware was used in america from roughly 1700's to 1940?
What type of cookware was mostly widely used worldwide?

>>17674203
>Change my mind
Fuck off. I have no incentive to save you from being a retard.

>>17674207
Indoor plumbing didn't exist for most of that time period, you saying it was better that way?

>>17674235
Considering nobody had to drop 5-15k to rip open walls to replace pipes, yes there were some benefits.

>>17674243
Is today opposite day on /ck/?

>>17674203
>Costs a little more but overall the same result: absolute waste of time and energy for the sake of making your boring first-world life more "interesting"
I'm sorry you are poor and angry, OP.
For myself, I've always been gainfully employed and satisfied with life, family and work. I always found it a delightful time to cook in my own kitchen with my selected belongings, and own the things I wanted to own, through mostly my appreciation for quality craftsmanship, aesthetics or unique utility, not the price tag really. I have a copper mixing bowl, and I have silver that both need more care and polishing. I love owning them despite the polishing. If I didn't move with my ricer or favorite grater, I'll look for another and upgrade it. If I buy another vacation property, I'm moving items and decide to upgrade the items I'm not leaving behind. I do not need to look at pricetags or show off. It's all for me and family. I buy things because it's as nice a quality as my grandmother or mom owned, or I know that I want it. People talking about effectiveness or heating time or cool features probably hate inferior replaceable crap that they used to own. But, who cares how they spend their money? It's their consequences if they do things stupid with it.

>>17674254
please tell me this is just very dull pasta

>>17674203
Which is why most modern copper cookware is stainless steel lined, not tinned

You can of course still find plenty of new tinned copper if you're looking for it, but most stuff has moved to stainless because most people hate getting the shit retinned.

>>17674251
It amazes me we'll doll out trillions, yes trillions, on welfare, but won't spend 50 billion having clean drinking water. America is a 3rd world nation in fancy clothes.

>>17675379
My grand father used to re tin his pots and pans himself. All you need is a propane burner hot enough to melt the tin. He cleaned it out, added some shit to it probably some sort of flux, and then wiped the tin around with a special cloth and then drained the rest into some water.

All his cookware was made in Italy, my bitch grandmother sold it all when he died so she could gamble, we all pretty much disowned her. Uncle managed to salvage two pans tho.

>>17675387
>yes trillions, on welfare
Maybe if you include corporate tax breaks as welfare

>>17675423
How much do you think we just spent on stimuli?

>>17675484
Again, if you include the money given to companies in those payments, then yeah.


Just for example, the IRS says 127,000,000 households qualified for the $1400 stimmy.

That's only ~$178B

Assuming similar numbers qualified for the other two stimmies that is anther ~$230B

Even if you doubled that you're only at ~$800B

>>17675521
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/03/11/us/how-covid-stimulus-money-was-spent.html
So far 1.8 trillion has gone out to individuals and families, 1.7 to businesses, and enough to hospitals and shit like that to make almost 5 trillion. Not even fucking joking.

>>17675539
still under $1T for actual stimmy checks (the free gibs in your hands for doing nothing)

>>17675574
Congrats on cropping out the rest of the Individuals and Families section. And is still clearly not 178 Billion. Not what I'm hear to argue about. Just that we're not paying for clean water when we spent 5 trillion.

>>17675591
>And is still clearly not 178 Billion
I never said it was, I said the $1400 stimmy was.

>>17674203
>Tinned copper
As opposed to what? Non-tinned copper?

>>17674203
the thermal conductivity of copper is 20 times that of stainless steel. Copper is one of the most heat conductive metals and stainless steel is one of the worst, They actually build it into safes to make them blow torch resistant.

>>17675610
Yes, stainless steel lined copper.

>>17675650
Yes, and the 0.1mm of stainless steel does almost nothing to resist the heat transfer coming from the 2mm+ of copper

>>17674251
Most of the lead in the water is coming from the water source not the pipes, lead pipes don't introduce that much lead (at this age) because a oxidative coating forms on it very quickly plus only old ass cities have lead pipes and you have more pertinent problems if you're drink straight tap water out of a Detroit spigot, buy a water filter ffs

>>17675678
Tin is almost as conductive as tungsten. Stainless is abysmal and like 8 times less conductive than tin.

I think if you really paid attention it would make a difference, and over time when you retin your pots and pans you'll have more than .1 mm of tin. But I guess the upside to stainless is you never have to refinish it, downside is it tends to be non stick, while tin can become non stick like cast iron.

>>17675704
Nope, I own tons of copper, both tinned and stainless, you wont notice any difference in use.

>>17675704
>>17675713
I still like tinned copper for it's vintage aspects, but I'm not going to turn up a good price on a stainless-lined piece of copper because in reality, they're basically the same in use.

I do not care for the pot and pan hobbyist community

>>17675728
Cuz ur poor. ha ha.

>>17675678
i think all that's important is the fact any copper pot is superior to any other pot.

>>17675650
so silver pots and pans are the best and they're antibacterial

>>17675819
Yes, but most people aren't interested in a $2500+ frying pan

>>17674207
>what type of cookware stopped being widely used 80 years ago?
it's the same question, same answer

>>17676145
>Silver Prices Per Kilo $801.50
i think it could easily be made for $400 out the door which is more then reasonable

>>17676194
>80 years ago
try around 40 years ago at best and is still common in most households regardless of recent meme activity

>>17676195
>labor is free
lmao

$5500 for an 11.5" frying pan
thanks

>>17676283
silver is very easy to work which is why it's been around since nearly the beginning of metal working.
Stamping out or casting a pan and giving it a polish ain't that much work, in fact it's the same or less work then the $20 pan at walmart
So that guy is just raping idiots for $5,000

>>17676340
I don't see anyone else offering silver pans

if you think you can do it cheaply/easily, I'm sure you'd find plenty of customers who would pay a couple hundred bucks to have a knock-off to a $5500 meme pan.

>>17676360
exactly! we can corner the market, i'll split the company 50/50 you. I'll draw up a contract and fax it to you then you wire me the start up investment and i'll start hammering out pans.
I actually already own a forge and crucible and even a small gold/silversmith anvil but it won't work for pans.

>>17675819
Silver is also naturally non-stick. Only poorfags cook on anything but silver.

>>17676360
i doubt that they sell more than one or two of those pans at most

>>17676675
Yeah I think he made one of each for the pictures and likely has only produced a handful otherwise.

I would be shocked if he's made more than 20 in total, and he's offered them for at least several years at this point.

>>17676702
>>17676675
For reference, the 12.5" sautee is $14,000

Looks nice though

>>17676675
>>17676706

>>17676706
I wonder how much the actual silver content cost comes to.

cast iron is a tool, not a personality. it is likewise not a counterculture, op.

>>17676825
not much they look pretty thing and silver isn't heavy like gold

>>17676825
>>17676972
My 10.2" copper skillet is ~2lbs of copper, and silver is heavier than copper

>>17676994
copper is also very flimsy and requires more metal to not fold up like tin foil

>>17677108
you also want a thicker pan for better heat transfer to the cooking surface and greater thermal mass to be able to stay hot even if you put something cold onto the cooking surface to sear.

It's why even though 1-1.5mm copper pans work, most real chefs will use 2.0-2.5mm+ thick copper because it can hold it's heat better and still transfers heat to the cooking surface very quickly.

>>17676994
i did the math and it would cost $600 in metal so sell it for $1,200 to account for manufacturing costs

>>17677125
show your work

>>17674203
I got some cast iron pans and a metal spatula and no one used them at first except for me but now everyone in the house uses them for some reason. I'd rather them not tb h.

>>17674203
Too based for this board.

>>17677606
No :^)

>>17674203
>Change my mind
If you believe any of what you wrote above you do not have a mind to change.

>>17674203
OP has brain damage from eating too much teflon

>>17678949
>>17678949
don't we all?

>>17679103
Ive never used a teflon pan

>>17676195
>spot price = retail
You're not getting silver for under $1000 a kilo unless you buy a literal truckload of it

cast iron is the darksouls of pans

>>17676711
>.925
It's a scam, he's skimming .7.5% of the silver for personal use and you are getting an adulterated product with massive impurities

>>17679154
I would imagine fine silver is too soft
You almost always alloy silver with copper to increase it's strength, and ~7.5% copper is 100% standard.

>>17679105
doesn't mean you never ate food cooked on one or inhaled fums from someone else cooking on it

>>17679173
For coin silver, sure
Trouble is all the "silver is better" arguments for cookware are based on 999, not sterling

>>17679177
I cook most of my own meals, there isn't a single teflon pan in my home.

So sure, there are probably a handful of occasions at a restaurant or a friend/family members home where I was eating food from a teflon pan, but I have to imagine my exposure is FAR less than the average person that doesn't care at all and has a house full of teflon shit.

>>17679187
>Trouble is all the "silver is better" arguments for cookware are based on 999, not sterling
uhhh no?

Sterling is still higher thermal conductivity than pure copper, and is still anti-microbial.

>>17675687
>by people who live here
As it should be. Urban living has a lower environmental footprint, I can just walk to buy food, you need to burn about 15 dead dinosaurs to do anything at all
>but how does the food get to the store
Same way it gets to your store, but my store is more energy efficient in every way including the carbon footprint of its customers

>>17679192
Just "higher" matters less than how much higher
Cu vs Al is easymode because the slight price difference (roughly 25% more) vs performance (100% more) clearly favors Cu and anyone defending Al is just doing poorfag cope

Ag vs Cu is marginal at best considering Ag costs like 10x as much for the same pan for like a 5% improvement, so that concession to strength comes at a high penalty on price/performance ratio

>>17679214
Oh I agree, but that wasn't really the point I was making.

Simply that there is no significant performance difference between 99.999% silver and 92.5% silver with 7.5% copper.

>>17679188
teflon isn't just used in cookware, it's used all over the place from cars to industrial equipment that processes food

>>17679226
Yes, and the issues with teflon is from high heat applications, like your retarded mother cooking at full blast because she doesn't understand how heat transfer works or that teflon is horrible for high heat applications.


My rice cooker bowl is non-stick but I don't give a fuck at all because it'll never even come close to the temps needed to cause toxic shit like you see with teflon pans.

>>17679199
bruh my water comes from a well and is pumped backed into a septic so non of my water is wasted.
My vegetables are grown in my garden
My eggs and chicken come my chickens
My milk and beef comes from the guy down the road
There really isn't much i go to the store for and that's only once a month for things like sugar, flour, rice and spices i can't grow because of my climate.
Believe it or not there are still a fuck ton of people that still live this way.
And no your concrete building is not a lower carbon foot print then my wooden house built out of yellow pine from my own lot

>>17679244
>cooking at full blast because she doesn't understand how heat transfer works or that teflon is horrible for high heat applications.
yea not at all like coated pistons in a car engine

>>17679277
...do you think i'm inhaling the gases inside my engine pistons?

>>17679270
>Believe it or not there are still a fuck ton of people that still live this way.
a generous estimate is 2% but that includes people employed on mass factory farms maintaining the giant machines or driving fuel trucks

>>17679277
The pistons don't ever reach the same temperature as the exploding gases.

>>17679358
>pistons don't ever reach the same temperature as the exploding gases.
right because the teflon is there to keep the pistons cool and help with even combustion
>>17679312
>t. i have never caught a whiff of car exhaust in my life

>>17679439
Again, i'm not saying i've NEVER been exposed to teflon, I'm simply saying I've personally been exposed FAR less than your average American.


Also, I don't drive or even leave my house all that often these days, so no I don't wiff car exhaust really. At least not with any regularity.

>>17679324
>a generous estimate is 2%
maybe complete innawoods off the land types but pretty much anywhere outside the city you can find fresh eggs and locally butchered meat plus every house has a garden even if it's just basic things like peppers, tomatoes, beans, cucumbers, corn and spices/herbs.
My point is everything you tough has been on a truck, wrapped in plastic,stored in a warehouse, put on another truck and shipped to you store all of which require energy and infrastructure which makes a huge carbon footprint

>>17679489
>and yet you participate in society.png
so your point is what... that trucks exist?? but I already said that. the point is you consume more energy. not that I don't consume any

>>17679504
>the point is you consume more energy. not that I don't consume any
my point is you are retardedly wrong. just because you walk to the store doesn't negate all the other things required to make city living possible.

>>17679541
Look up where that graph came from. It's a global data set, meaning preindustrial countries are mostly clustered in the rural group. Or are you actually claiming to have the same carbon footprint as a middle aged 15 year old from nigeria?

>>17679602
if you think a concrete apartment building is more efficient then a wooden home you don't understand construction whatsoever let alone what it goes into building and maintaining one of those apartment complexes not to mention the infrastructure needed to support it and the environmental impact on the land all that concrete has plus the runoff that goes into the waterways and sewage problem.

>>17679970
It's a little something called surface area, chump. Out of curiosity, how is it that you thought radiators worked? Some kind of jeebus magic?

>>17680317
>Softwood has about 10 times the thermal insulating ability of concrete and masonry, and 400 times that of solid steel.

>>17674203
>the cast iron cult
name another material that:
>has a high heat retention
>can have metal utensils / spatula used on
>will last essentially forever
>is non stick
>doesn't cost $100
it's literally the best of all worlds and all you have to do is have the two brain cells required to not let it rust

>>17680368
right, for all those solid pine houses. hence why a stud finder is basic equipment in essentially every modern detached single family house on earth

not that you would know in your single wide tornado magnet

>>17680479
pine houses are pretty common around me

>>17680479
Living in a city concrete apartment building is so much nicer then a trailer

>>17675610
Silver lined copper

>>17680570
>concrete block
That's not a city you stupid motherfucker.

>>17680570
Yes, indeed it is

>>17680593
>$650
>still needs occasional re-doing to keep it up.

> Traditionally, a tin-lining is used, and we also use silver-linings on copper pans to approach near perfection - however - both of these linings will eventually wear away and need to be restored.

that kinda blows, no idea who i'd go to for re-silvering my copper cookware. Re-tinning is already niche.

>>17679199
cope

>>17679105
Every single mammal on planet earth has teflon flowing through its veins

>>17680654
>no idea who i'd go to for re-silvering my copper cookware
You posted a screenshot of the guy who does the re-silvering

>>17680598
what is it you think buildings are made of?

>>17680916
Yes for now, what happens in 10-20 years?

>>17680956
I don't think you'll need your pan then

>>17680956
melt some silver and pour in the pan or just tin it if you can't find sliver

>>17680967
zombies? I figure we'll end up in a nuclear war at some point and i live near Washington DC so I'm probably fucked

>>17682270
The zombie concept is largely based on rabies. After the war, the developed world will regress to a preindustrial state where getting bitten and infected and dying of rabies is a realistic proposition for the unfortunate survivors

>>17675387
>welfare (bombs and missiles)

>>17674203
i use it because it looks better

>>17683093
A blotchy orange brown pan with a dark grey grimy looking interior looks good to you ?

>>17683098
yes, it's rustic

>>17680377
stainless steel can do all of that

>>17683116
>lower heat retention
>can't be seasoned as well (try to do slidey eggs on stainless steel)
>more expensive
>handle is typically screwed in as a separate piece so it's another point of failure / accumulates grease and scum
pass

>>17683231
Every point you made is false and doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

>>17679489
>>17679541
>>17679970
Retarded ubranites will never understand
It's lost on them. Don't bother explaining it.

>>17683376
>samefagging this hard
Now right click view source and post (You)r edited screenshots that "prove" you're a different person

>>17683098
You can always keep it in good condition and not have it look like ass

>>17684126
They work fine even if they're oxidized
Scrubbing to a mirror finish after every use is crazy

>>17685260
I mean, it shouldn't look particularly bad after 1 use, even 20-30 uses should still have it looking decent.

I polish my stuff once a year at most and it usually looks decent except the bottom of my frying pan which is my primary daily workhorse pan and it will only be pretty for a month or two after polishing.

>>17685278
This is the side of my most frequently used pan, 4 months after my last polish. The color is weird because if I'm feeling lazy, which is often, I'll just stick it in the dishwasher.

>>17685295
>>17685278
Oh actually nvm it's 7 months, I can't believe it's already mid april

>>17685295
>I'll just stick it in the dishwasher.
I have no experience with that as I hand wash my copper so I have no idea how dishwasher affects the copper finish.

>>17685310
>so I have no idea how dishwasher affects the copper finish.
You do now though
It reverts back to "normal" if you polish it, but if you need that classic old timey julia child look, don't do it. It looks like a giant penny soaked in lemon juice.

>>17685338
Fair enough, yeah it holds much better if you gently hand wash and dry promptly.

>>17683431
OK because i am

>>17685278
>I mean, it shouldn't look particularly bad after 1 use, even 20-30 uses should still have it looking decent.
really depends on your humidity, idk anything about pans but my cymbals tarnish in a few days...should i wax them?

>>17686036 (You)
Holy fucking based

>>17686063
>should i wax them
You can if you want, clean/polish them first and then use automotive wax to seal.

It wont change the sound, and I've only heard of people having issues with some grooved cymbals cause the wax can build up in the grooves over time.

>>17686084
>the wax can build up in the grooves over time.
maybe it will tame them, right now i have washcloths duck taped to them and they still over power everything.

>fry an egg
>have to mine, smelt and reapply silver after washing
No thanks. I’ll just season my cast iron with silver.

>>17686695
based

>>17686079
false flag samefag?

>>17686695
I wonder if this would work

>>17686695
i pan for gold in the stream near me, it's not that hard

>>17683078
Corporate welfare is still welfare