/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>17606221
What part of Philly are you going to be in? Whatever you do get it with provolone. The “cheese whiz” steaks are a lie and a fucking scam. You can go to a big place that’s listed online or whatever but there’s cool bars where you can get a drink and a good steak at.

philly

>>17606221
new hampshire

>>17606221
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as cheese whiz steak, is in fact, whiz/whit, or as I've recently taken to calling it, whiz plus whit.

>>17606221
Go to Manhattan, NY

>>17606221
OK OP so two names:
Giovani's Bar & Grill
Cleavers

Go to one of them get a “fully loaded” chew steak with provolone, add mushrooms.

>>17606221
Nobody who live in philly gets it with "whiz", despite what the tourist propaganda tells you. Only j*rsey tourists do that shit. All Philly natives know that the only real cheese choice is provolone. Also, if you're in Philly don't even bother getting a cheesesteak. Get the Italian roast pork.

>>17606297
Come on he’s gonna visit Philly and eat no steak? Get real.

>>17606221
Go over the bridge and find some ghetto spot. For the love of God don't let them put cheese wiz on it.

>>17606221
make it yourself. just get some deli sliced roast beef and some cherry bocconcini (chop it into smaller bits) and fry it up with a bit of butter.

>>17606330
wack, just chop up a sirloin or something

Never been there, but watching an episode of Parking Wars? They were in Philly. Anyways, one of the officers got bragging up this cheesesteak shop called Gooey Louey? Never been there, but it looked delicious!

>>17606221
>>17606330
This, but just some kind of heavily seasoned char grilled cheap cut of steak, sliced thin across the grain, and a mild cheese of choice. Bell pepper, onion, horse radish are all optional, but if offered, onion should be sweet and grilled, bell pepper green and grilled, and horse radish creamy. If you go beyond any of that, it's alien, even if good (dry rubs, whatever).

>>17606389
oh, heavy butter on bread with grill marks is acceptable, but over the top. bread is ideal when it is soft, chewy, and lightly crusted, slightly warm if being autistic about it. Just say tastes good if not autistic.

>>17606221
The best cheesesteak I've had is Woodrow's on south street. Every sandwich they have is awesome.

I live in Philadelphia. I prefer it with American over whiz or prov. Prov is king on a pork sandwich, though, but American on beef or chicken.

>>17606221
Literally anywhere that's not a tourist trap. They will be overpriced and undertasty. The Cuban papi store (which is one of two names the city called "bodegas" before the invasion of hipsters who couldn't afford Brooklyn got here; the other is "variety") at my corner charges $6 for a cheesesteak and $8 for one with double meat and double cheese.
If you go to an Arab area, they even have lamb cheesesteaks. I've never had one, but I see the signs for them all the time.

>>17606297
Not true.
People from the Northeast get it with whiz. And black Philadelphians, many of whom have family who've been here far longer than the white ones, don't get it with provolone. They get American (or whiz, which is bad). Same with Asians and about half of Hispanics. Despite what media will tell you, American is the more popular choice for cheesesteaks, it's just that they don't bother asking non-whites what they prefer.

>>17606330
>>17606389
Neither of these descriptions are a cheesesteak, but they sound similar to a Philly-style roast beef, which is serve on a kaiser roll with provolone. Nick's is well-known for their roast beef, but their roast pork is better, IMO. Even better than media darling John's Roast Pork on Snyder avenue.

>>17606419
Nothing on South Street is good.

>>17606455
>bodegas serve cheese steak
>legitimate versions of cheese steak are not cheese steak
I hate you and everything you stand for. FUCKING DIE.

>>17606469
That's not a legitimate version of cheesesteak. What was described was made from deli meat. Deli meat != cheesesteak, sorry. I'm sure it's good, but it's no more a cheesesteak than a cheeseburger would be.

>>17606477
deli meat is not char grilled and then thinly sliced you fucking retard

>>17606489
That's nice, dear. That's still not a cheesesteak. Now read the other post where Anon said to use deli meat.

>>17606511
OK, then explain what in the other post, fuckwad, is not cheese steak.

>>17606221
A different state. Or Sheetz.

>>17606221
Jims. Touristy but good.

>>17606542
>eating microwaved gas station food
kys yinzer

>cheesesteak
>in philly
If you want the best cheesesteak, gtfo that shithole and come to New Jersey.
Better cheesesteak than philly, and better pizza than NYC.

>>17607354
and worse people too

>>17606515
No matter how you slice it, deli meat != cheesesteak, sugartits.

>>17606221
Blimpie

>>17606221
pic related

>>17608651
Nobody is going to the middle of fucking nowhere for Dalessandro's. And yes, Henry Ave is the middle of fucking nowhere. Fuck Roxborough.

By George in Reading Terminal Market.

>>17608634
Australian here: This is the best looking picture of a "Philly Cheesesteak" I've ever seen and it still makes me want to hurl.

Just another reason to hate Americans. Like, it's literally just skirt steak, onion, and cheese on a bread roll? WOAAHOAAH! Can you imagine someone hands you a sandwich with gummy worms and melted chocolate on it and says "do you like my new invention?" Like, who does that? It's either got to be a toddler or an American.

Steve's Prince of Steaks

>>17606233
this!

>>17607354
i ordered a cheese steak in Jersey an they served me a breakfast steam on Texas toast with fried pepper and mushrooms.
I was never moar angry in my life

I'm attempting to make sub rolls from this King Arthur recipe:

https://www.kingarthurbaking.com/recipes/italian-sub-rolls-recipe

I have ribeyes in my fridge, a couple of cheese options, onions, cubanelle peppers, and drippings from a whole roasted chicken to use for gravy to dip in maybe.

This is before the final rise (currently happening now).

>>17609215
i never had luck with their recipes, closest recipe i found was oddly the NOLA rolls but i live in a very humid environment and have very alkaline water which affects my recipes.

>>17606221
Domino's has pretty good Philly subs

>>17609271
Are you proofing your yeast and/or using a pre-ferment?

An anon said to try proofing yeast in water + honey and I've had great luck with that.

>>17606221
Pat’s and Geno’s Are for tourists and drunks, but are worth a visit after a game at the stadiums lets out just for the entertainment of Philly assholism on display.

Lorenzo’s in the Italian market

D’allesandro’s if you’re up near manyunk

Talk of the town near the stadiums

John’s roast pork has amazing cheesesteaks too but nobody knows because the roast pork and roast beef are both amazing so everyone gets those instead...

And dozens of hole in the wall places like Steve’s, gooey Louie, chink’s( that I think is called joes or something now) all will have a better cheesesteak than you have ever eaten if you’re not from Philly or Jersey

>>17609293
i add yeast and a 1/2 tsp of brown sugar to warm water and wait for the yeast to bloom
The mix everything together and kneed for around 12min
then rest for 1 hour and by then it doubled is size
cut in 4 balls and form into rolls and let rise for another 30 to 45 min

i have tried longer and shorter time, halving the yeast, all kinds of different tricks but i get meh bread.

>>17609064
>Australian

And yet you deign to date disparage the Philly cheesesteak?
My fiancé is a chef, and when I told her about “fairy bread” she thought I was pulling her leg.... then she googled it and can’t believe that culinary disgrace is beloved down under...buttered fucking white bread with rainbow sprinkles....
such an Aussie gift to the gastronomic world.

>>17606221
north jersey.

Any place that adheres to these strict guidelines:
>good roll (example: Amoroso)
>shaved ribeye
>either sharp provolone or sharp American (example: Cooper sharp white)
>onions
>literally nothing else added aside from salt

>>17606419
>Woodrow's
Gigacringe.

>>17609804
truffle whiz what in the fuck?

>>17609499
Do you measure the temperature of the water?

I use 110F water and a generous amount of honey -don't be stingy with the sugar and make sure its 110 WITH the sugar or honey added

>then rest for 1 hour and by then it doubled is size

no, no the next step is to let it proof in the fridge overnight or even for 3-4 days

park it in the fridge and leave it there for the gluten to develop slowly

when you roll it out for final proofing - it can take much longer than 45 min - be patient

I also sauteed some french cut onions and cubanelle peppers in butter but i did not take a photo

i didn't want them totally caramelized and soft but with some browning.

maybe 30-40 min on medium low heat

finished!

>>17610104
You weren't supposed to put them in your ass

>>17606246
>foot fungus in your whiz plus whit

>>17610104
looks like poop

>>17609884
you must be using 1/10th the amount of yeast because even the fridge it's growing out of the bowl in 2 hours

>>17610104
i think you should experiment with you egg wash, or just try adding some milk powder if you're looking for a browner crust

>>17610230
its honey and a beaten egg and some water

the recipe says to just use egg white so this doesn't happen but I wanted to see what would happen

still probably tastes good

eating leftover choccy creampie rn

>>17606221
Geno's

>>17608651
S tier death to chubbys

>>17606221
I went to Philly and couldn’t get a cheesesteak cause the staff was too mean.

>>17609064
stop taking shitposting tips off of irrational and permanently seething continental europeans
proudly displaying how quoitcurdled you are is not banter, it's perverse
you're embarrassing yourself and the rest of us

>>17609064
Thanks for the sensible chuckle.
>>17610703
I'm sorry for your loss.

>>17609804
>truffle whiz

Why don't they just put gold leaf in it too like every other meme restaurant?

>>17611053
There's a place with a $100 cheesesteak that has truffle whiz and gold leaf. Friend had it. Said it was great.
>"was it worth it?"
>it was really, really good!
>"but would you get it again?"
>...
>...
>...
>...no
>"then I guess it wasn't worth it, now was it?"
Actual conversation with said friend.

>>17609795
Salt pepper ketchup mayo is necessary

>>17610854
fuck that looks good

Delaware

>>17609086
has been closed since covid

>>17606221
Subway

>>17611053
>/ck/
>actually thinks truffles are the same as flavorless gold leaf
back to your fast food thread

>>17611066
Do you really use mayo on hot sandwiches?

I would have added peppers and mushrooms to the steak, provolone, & onions for a fully-loaded cheesesteak.

>>17612802
The phrase "salt, pepper, ketchup" is so ubiquitous in Philadelphia that there used to be a local food magazine or blog or something by that name. I think they closed/shut down.
Anyway, SPK is very common but mayonnaise less so. I love mayonnaise on a burger or cheesesteak or grilled chicken long roll or something like that, but I could understand why others would be hesitant.

>peppers
Not a fan of them on a cheesesteak, but I'm fully down with mushrooms. I love peppers as they are or in other dishes, but don't really enjoy them much in sandwiches.

>>17612856
i think cheese, bell or jalapeno peppers, onions and mushrooms are the only acceptable topping you can put on a cheese steak. And i only use 2 of the 3.

Yo can a nigga get uhhhhhh cheesesteak whiz whiz

>>17609884
>>17610104
so i just did the opposite of what you told me, lets see how my 1 hour quick rolls come out.
kneaded and shaped right into rolls, no wash because i'm out of eggs and butter, might consider EVOO or just a little water
Making cheese steaks tonight

>>17613038
I have made worse and these only took 1 hour 20min total . Browned up nice for no wash

>>17609768
cheese whiz looks so good but i tried a bit on my homemade memesteaks and it was not so great, way too rich, i prefer doing a provolone sauce if i want that gooey consistency

>>17606233
I support this statement. I had one from Geno's and I had one from Pat's and they were good but the one I got from a bar that I can't remember the name of was the best of them. That's the point, it's not the place, those places are memes and you're better off exploring cause philly is mad cool. That bar had kickass collard greens too, no lie.

>>17606239
Steak bombs are great, but not Philly cheesesteaks. Go to Pats and get a proper philly steak

>>17613373
a lot of good places in philly do that, just make a mornay sauce with sharp provolone

>>17613363
Next time you are thinking about it - make up a yeast dough and stick it in the fridge for a few days.

Use it when you feel like it. You get much better results.

>>17613504
every time i tried it rises to infinity.
I put to much salt in these rolls and it inhibited the yeast.
To make a proper hoagie roll you need one of these trays but they are expensive

>>17613504
never mind i found a tray for $15, a few years back i looked and could only find industrial ones that were +$200

>>17613546
Those look pretty dope but maybe do you have a rack and a sheet pan? I happen to buy 2 of them recently and maybe it can do 70% as good of a job as that.

That does look cool though.

>>17613556
>never mind i found a tray for $15,

link?

>>17612917
>jalapeno
Nah, people here get "long hots" or pickled cherry peppers on their cheesesteaks. Those people are wrong.
What I have done, once, was frying the roll on the flat top in Calabrian-style chili oil and building my cheesesteak on that. Was really, very good.

>>17613363
they never look as good as they taste

Just go to a random spot that’s not a tourist trap and get a cheesesteak with Mayo

>>17606221
Make your own because Italians are unhygienic, disgusting slim balls with annoying accents.

>>17614281
Real cheese steak places put the roll on the griddle meaning it's greasy enough, no need for mayo on top of that.

>>17614292
Fuck you, I like mayo.

>>17614666
I'm going to make homemade mayo for chicken salad sandwiches on buckwheat brioche.

i think the key is to use enough mayo to coat but not so much its gloopy or overwhelming

and egg yolk only please!

>>17614694
How the fuck does one make brioche out of buckwheat? GTFOHWTBS

I got jersey mike's and wasn't impressed

>>17614898
I used maybe 1/3 sifted buckwheat flour and 2/3 bread flour.

I got some local buckwheat flour on recent travels.

Unironically Subway.

Footlong steak and cheese, herbs and cheese bread, pepper jack cheese, add bacon, add green pepper, onion, banana peppers BEFORE toasting, then toast. Add chipotle sauce and parmesan cheese.

You're welcome.

Life insurance and bulletproof vest.

I'm visiting Philadelphia from Canada this summer. Thanks for the thread, very informative.

>>17614910
Oh, yeah, I can see that working, then, sorry.
I thought you were doing a much higher proportion buckwheat and using plain flour rather strong flour.
In your proportions, the flour mix will be about 10% gluten which is perfect for brioche, yeah.

>>17614928
It's not great anymore. In the last five years, Center City (the downtown area) has taken a nosedive. Abandoned storefronts everywhere now. Oddly, the rest of the city is growing but CC is withering on the vine.

>>17614931
I was wondering if I should use 00/italian pizza flour instead for a softer crumb - its soft vs hard wheat flour - not sure what would happen differently

I know using too much non-wheat flour fucks up doughs!

Although cornmeal you can add a lot doe.

Just make one retard, it's not even hard. The only trick to it is to add extra fat when you're cooking up the meat. Beef tallow works best but you can also use bacon fat or ghee in a pinch.

>>17614935
I'll make sure to avoid that area.

>>17614936
It also depends on the type of non-wheat flour you're using. Some actively fuck up the gluten development. I haven't baked, neither professionally nor as a hobby in a long ass time now so I can't remember which ones do that, but I can say that nixtamalised corn flour is not one of them. I used to make corn flour naan with that stuff + strong wheat flour.

>>17614946
Not really possible. That's pretty much where all the hotels are, unless you're doing AirBnB. Actually, there're a few bed and breakfast spots around town, including one down the street from me. That one gets mixed reviews (people expect more of a breakfast than a cup of coffee and a packaged snack cake) but there's a nice one in West Philadelphia my ex and I used to go to for their afternoon tea because she's an Anglophile.

I don't live in Philly but the best cheesesteak in my area came from a tiny convenience store. I used to go there all the time because it was on the way home from work back when I lived in my parent's house. I discovered it simply because my alcoholic ass wanted something to eat and it was right next to the liquor store. For anyone who lives in southern MD, it is Joy's Market & Deli. People that work there are also pretty great and I would always shoot the shit with them. I would imagine the best cheesesteaks in Philly would be random places like that.

>>17606221
penn station, philly sucks