/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>17588836
yeah that's sometimes true, like if it passes through an iron tube and gains some iron content they don't have to list that

there are also cases like orange juice where they hire a perfume company to engineer a frankenstein's monster out of various orange extracts, constructing a highly artificial orange flavour bearing little resemblance to true oranges, but they still get to print "Ingredients: Oranges" on the label

>>17588848
Hmm, I see. I know it's stupid to trust in the government and the whomever is on charge of the quality test, but I never cared about that stuff until I got into nutrition and noticed how many things are added to products to make them taste good. Like greek yogurt, which people always hailed as "healthy" yet I read the back and it says stuff like "flavoring of X fruit identical to the real thing" and I'm like, fuck, I've been jewed all this time.

>>17588848
I will never understand prepackaged orange juice. It's so easy to just squeeze your own juice.

>>17588836
>I'm retarded?
yes, yes you are.

I mean, at some point you either have to trust the ingredients list on the box and that whatever standards agency in your country is doing their job properly, or you can go full paranoid-schizo and only eat things you grow.
But even then how will you know whether or not the secret government agents are putting things in the soil, the water? If your plants fail, was that your incompetence or bad chance or bugs, or was it them secretly poisoning your own food?
You'll tie yourself up in paranoia until you go insane and starve to death or shoot dozens of people in a DMV.

A company that lies about the ingredients in its food products is exposing itself to major lawsuits so for someone who claims to be paranoid you don't seem to be too keen on following the basic logical rule that corporations are driven by profit above all else

>>17588836
I have yet to see any conclusive scientific proof that there is 0 (zero) sawdust mixed in with my oats.

>>17588893
What if you make dozens of people starve to death at the dmv

>>17588836
You are justified. Many products don't need to list ingredients if they are below a certain amount. For example pre grated parmesan cheese has cellulose(wood pulp) in it to keep it from clumping. If it's less than 3% they don't need to list it on the ingredients. A lot of companies were taken to court a while back because they had far more wood in them close to 10% or something and hadn't put it on the label. Stay sharp an don't get jewed.

>>17588893
>you either have to be naive or insane
or you research which companies are reputable, get a sense for which products are safe, and use the information available to make educated guesses, while being open to new information and accepting that nothing in this world is guaranteed

ie, being sane and rational

>>17588836
you're just low IQ and spend too much time on 4chan

>>17588959
>(wood pulp
disingenuous nigger, cellulose is just vegetable fiber

>>17588836
>lists “artificial and natural flavors”
>lists “spices”
>doesn’t list what is actually in these things

Olive oil is prone to this kind of issue; the Mafia has a hand in quite a bit of production in Italy and have been known to cut olive oil with lower grade olive oil or various other vegetable oils.

>>17589074
source?

>>17588836
Yes, but I'm not willing to grow and raise my own food so I don't spend too much of my time fretting about it.

>>17588959
>>17589048
And that's not Parmesan either.

>>17588836
well there's always contaminants, dirt, rat feces, whatever, so from a pedantic point of view you're correct 100% of the time.
as for deliberate adulteration, it has certainly happened before, is happening, and will continue to happen, how widespread is it, who knows. Some of it is legitimized (and thus technically not adulteration) like gluing chunks of meat together or the .5g or less loophole, or the variety of misleading labeling terms like 'whole-grain' or 'low'-anything
>>17589052
muh trade secrets

>>17589109
lots of foods have flavorless additives. if you want real parmesan why the fuck would you buy pregrated nonsense in the first place

>>17588893
>mistrusting the government is... le bad
They put fluoride in the water for retards like you.

>>17589129
>is happening, and will continue to happen
source?

>>17589139
post your homestead

>>17589140
human instincts finely tuned through tens of millenia of evolutionary pressures

>>17589129
>Muh “proprietary” information/recipe

>>17589144
>my ass
figured as much

>>17589140
>is happening
Just off the top of my head honey and olive oil, especially extra virgin, is constantly found to be fraudulent in the US.

>>17589149
ask stupid questions get stupid answers

>>17589157
you sound uneducated

>>17589160
>t. unable to search 'food adulteration' on his search engine of choice

>>17589164
>t. failed to provide a source for anything when asked

>>17589164
>D-DO YOUR O-OWN RESEARCH
Every fucking time lmao

>>17588848
>there are also cases like orange juice where they hire a perfume company to engineer a frankenstein's monster out of various orange extracts, constructing a highly artificial orange flavour bearing little resemblance to true oranges, but they still get to print "Ingredients: Oranges" on the label
can you name this orange juice which lists “oranges” on the ingredient list despite the flavor coming from orange extracts blended by a perfume company?
Because that smells like a bit of poppycock on several levels, at least if it supposedly happened in the US.

>>17588836
I know I read a study about avocado oil mostly being canola. I made sure to order one of the brands that they said was really 100% avocado oil and I just reorder that when I'm running low. I don't think we can trust the labels.

>>17588836
no, I trust the food regulations and stuff. I think it would be really hard to sneak something past them.

>>17588836
'natural flavors'. That always worries me.

>>17589188
>Known in the industry as flavor packs, the chemical constituents of orange essence and oil could very well be responsible for the bright, sweetly acidic flavor of your favorite orange juice. Enlisting the very same flavor and fragrance manufacturers responsible for fancy perfumes, the orange compounds are broken down and added to juice to conjure up fresh oranges (via The New Yorker).
That took two seconds to look up. You would have done it yourself if you actually cared about the truth or being correct, but I guess the go-to bugman routine is to avoid learning things and pretend like doing so makes you smart.

>>17589195
You trust the people who allow microplastics, estrogens, carcinogens, and insects in your food?

Why is this board in particular so fucking stupid?

It happens with whey protein, when they add creatine. Because they test the total protein content based on nitrogen levels, creatine passes as protein too (it isn't). At the end, you get an inflated protein per portion. If you want creatine, buy it separately.

>>17589213
it's far and away the poorest board on 4chan, so it's not surprising that it's also among the dumbest

>>17589206
>soyjack-posting schizo faggot
The best part is how you literally did not, and can not, answer my simple question.
No shit you can add flavorings and extracts to things.
But you can’t call those extracts “oranges” on the ingredient list. You call them what they are.

Holy fuck are you seriously retarded to the point that if you add something to orange juice, orange juice made from oranges, you magically have to remove “oranges” from the ingredient list?
So orange-pineapple juice is just pineapple juice now?
You zoomers are a special brand of retarded.

>>17589082
There are no sources only anecdotal evidence when mobsters get caught. Here they guess the Italian black market is worth 200 billion a year and makes up 12% of the entire economy: https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/istat-e-pari-192-miliardi-economia-sommersa-italia-ACNc99r.. But they're only looking at illegal labour/people not declaring activities/their profits. They're not looking at hard crime (racketeering, fraud, drug trade) nor are they looking at how hard crime is buying its way into legitimate trades like oil, cheese, wine production among many others (stock markets, construction, infrastructure companies... you name it)

Extra virgin olive oil is an outdated term anyway, referring to the "first press" of the stone mill giving the best oil. Nowadays very few producers still use a stone mill. Instead they squeeze out everything in one go with modern hydraulic presses. Most commercial brands sell everything as evoo - even though it's still perfectly possible to distinguish evoo from non-evoo at this point.

Mobster oil will contain all sorts of oil and additives on top of that. Foreign (North African) olive oil where they still use Agent Orange/aren't subject to sanitation laws, motor/lamp oil, vegetable oil with chlorophyll (for colour) and beta carotene (for taste). Source is the Italian organization for olive oil: https://www.italiaolivicola.it/news/mondo/olio-doliva-parliamo-di-contraffazioni-e-frodi/

>>17589221
you just didn't understand his post and thought he meant that the flavor package was called 'oranges' on the label, because you are retarded

they combine pasteurized juice of oranges that has gone bland from the pasteurization and moreso the typically extensive storage time at warm temperature, with that flavor package. he's saying they can still call it orange juice despite most the flavor coming from the flavoring. i personally don't care that they can call OJ OJ even if the OJ itself is bland, but you should try actually reading posts before getting all butthurt over them

>>17589221
if it's an extract made from oranges you can, which is what he said they are

>>17589213
Why are you worried about that schizo meme shit?
Don’t you realize that at this very moment, 5G signals are restructuring your neural pathways?
You’re fucked the minute one of the puppetmasters decides to transmit the activation signal they’ve already remotely encoded into the DNA of your frontal lobe.
So between now and then, you might as well eat whatever the fuck you feel like and not worry about it.

>>17589213
post your homestead

>>17588836
With audits and all the laws in place by the FDA, I feel pretty safe in trusting nutritional labels. Like >>17588848 said, byproducts of the factory processing won't necessarily be on there
I used to work for a factory (not food though), and the processes were audited by government agencies all the time. Also QA has to pass a billion different tests for every batch ready to ship. It was a massive pain in the ass

>>17589229
Then his post had zero fucking point.
If you add something to oranges, what you have still contains oranges. Listing oranges as an ingredient doesn’t suddenly become disingenuous, especially since you’re obligated to as oranges are an ingredient.
>>17589232
No. You can not list “orange extract” as “oranges” on an ingredient list.
This isn’t some mystery. You can easily look up every last word of FDA regulations.
If something contains orange extract, and it’s legitimate orange extract (derived solely from oranges), you can label the ingredient as “orange extract”, “natural flavor”, “natural flavoring”, “natural orange flavor”, or “natural orange flavoring”. Because it is those things. But you can’t call it “orange”.
Feel free to look up 21 CFR 101.22(a)(3) and it’s accompanying lists of what specific botanicals qualify as “natural flavor”.

>>17588867
frozen orange juice concentrate costs way less to ship to countries where oranges don't grow.
and as for where they do-- convenience. i think you can understand it but you are too reddit to explain the truth behind your post

>>17589219
dumb people tend to be poor, yes

>>17589223
tunisian olive oil seems pretty good. shitalians like to call other country products a scam or not befitting the proper name but in reality their mafioso nation probably produces a bunch if crap

>>17589243
I don’t expect a bootlicker to be able to appreciate the beauty of my kingdom.

>>17589300
>orange extract isn't orange because.... it just isn't okay?
lol

>>17589340
Actually pretty much what happens when you consider food identity regulations, which essentially say "X must be labeled this way because we say so." Extract an oil from oranges only to add it to orange juice? Has to be called orange extracts or natural flavor.
But then you have people who try to make hummus out of something other than chickpeas.
And then there's the Chinese. Maybe it's milk. Maybe it's melamine. Maybe it's Maybelline.