/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>17564436
Who wants to know?

>>17564462
I do, that's why I asked. I thought it was strange, but realized I've never really talked about it with other people before, so I don't know how common it is not to know it. Seems like a standard dish to me

>>17564436
I am an American man who lives in a semi-rural area and I still don't know what Carbonara is.

>>17564479
for some reason the 'correct' version of carbonara is oft debated online. I've been to Italy a number of times and had it with or without cream.

A lot of these "No cream allowed" rules for italian dishes are not traditional but rather came about from 1940-1960s food rationing and shortages. IIRC Italy had food rationing up until the early 50s.

Point being those hard and fast rules are now relaxed. Put whatever you want in carbonera.

And no, carbonera isn't a dish someone in a rural area would know about. They wouldn't be able to get Pecorino cheese or pancetta.

>>17564436
No its not weird, a midwest hick doesn't know anything but olive garden. She'll pop out 4 kids for ya tho

Not really. Its an overrated dish in my opinion sometimes me and my fiance eat it we have slightly different recipes but she always uses onions and garlic where I use cream and garlic. We both use bacon and the quality is eh each time. Honestly its a quick dish but if you wanna make Italian to impress a girl just do Pesto or a simple red sauce much more pleasing taste wise I'd argue.

>>17565062
have you considered actually making it properly with the proper ingredients and then passing judgement?

Only New Yorklings care about Italian food outside of spag and balls

>>17565072
The proper ingredients are egg, parma, bacon or Pancentta with noodles. Have made it "properly" its quite boring and is the reason why Italian cooking is so overrated. I buy lots of onions so if I'm going to make a C tier Italian dish then I'm going to zazz it up with some fucking onions because I can and I'm not an elitist snob from a country that hasn't been relevant since 400 AD

>>17565062
>I fuck up the recipe by basically not even making the same thing
>comes out eh every time
I thought the fucking retards in recipe comments who say "substituted x for y" were trolls or fucking boomers, turns out you are that fucking retarded.

>>17565085
Maybe call it Bubba's bacon, egg and onion pasta or something then?

>>17565106
Spotted the Dago

for some reason the 'correct' version of carbonara is oft debated online. I've been to Italy a number of times and had it with or without cream.
A lot of these "No cream allowed" rules for italian dishes are not traditional but rather came about from 1940-1960s food rationing and shortages. IIRC Italy had food rationing up until the early 50s.
Point being those hard and fast rules are now relaxed. Put whatever you want in carbonera.
And no, carbonera isn't a dish someone in a rural area would know about. They wouldn't be able to get Pecorino cheese or pancetta.

>>17565141
Is this a pasta now? also you can get the dirt cheap pecorino at rural stores its the 2nd most common "real" cheese after parmigiano
you couldn't get pancetta or guanciale, but you could easily get the meat to do it yourself for cheaper than any city

>>17565106
He's just lazy and or poor anon, nothing to freak out about.
>>17565174
Is cheddar not real cheese or am I misunderstanding something?

>>17564436
this is spaghetti with bacon, its terrible honestly. i dont think pork should touch pasta. honestly i dont think meat should touch pasta.

>>17564953
> for some reason the 'correct' version of carbonara is oft debated online
No it's not
> I've been to Italy a number of times and had it with or without cream.
Either you are larping or you ate at some tourist place, if you have been to Rome


> A lot of these "No cream allowed" rules for italian dishes are not traditional but rather came about from 1940-1960s food rationing and shortages
Bullshit. Cream was used a lot during the 80's in Italy. Italian cuisine grew out that retarded cream phase but it didn't happened in the '60 because of some food shortage lol.


Why americans make up history out of their uneducated asses it's beyond me

>>17564436
Whoever made that carbonara cooked the eggs a little too much

>>17565442
I lived for 6 months in Fierenze, Italy a across from the Invalids hospital while attending art school. Cream was occasionally there. That Roma poorboi cuisine was alright but Tuscan and Northern Italian food is the best. It's bacon and cheese pasta lets not pretend it's high cuisine.

In reality something as simple and Tuscan as Bread and Tomato soup blows it out of the water and that's made from day-olds. Romanfood is mediocre.

>>17565019
She wants 3 kids, she told me

>>17565486
> I lived for 6 months in Fierenze
You're a special kind of retard if you ate carbonara in Firenze
> Cream was occasionally there
Then you got bamboozled
> That Roma poorboi cuisine was alright but Tuscan and Northern Italian food is the best.
> northen italian cuisie
> best
Oh boy
> it's bacon and cheese pasta lets not pretend it's high cuisine.
There's no bacon in carbonara. Keep trying

> In reality something as simple and Tuscan as Bread and Tomato soup blows it out of the water and that's made from day-olds
Shit taste detected. But it was obvious from the first post
> Romanfood is mediocre.
Not the point. Stay focused

>>17565486
Don't you think the fact that you found cream in the carbonara was due to the fact that you ate a Roman dish in a place other than Rome and therefore does not represent the correct recipe?
Any restaurant that puts cream in carbonara should be avoided, it is obviously not a restaurant with good cooks.
There is no cream in carbonara, it is not debatable, simply a fact.

You talk about Roman cuisine as poor but then you get excited about stale bread in tomato sauce?

>It's bacon and cheese pasta lets not pretend it's high cuisine.
You must have a strange concept of high cuisine, this comment denotes a poor knowledge of cuisine in general
Ingredients such as guanciale and pecorino (the good ones) require a long process and a selection of raw materials
From the point of view of the recipe itself, there are not many recipes as difficult as carbonara, to make it good you need skills that you do not need in other recipes

To cook the egg properly you must rely completely on the skills of the cook, and without a sous-vide or temperature control in general, the difference between raw and overcooked egg has a very narrow window and cannot be corrected in case of error.
Otherwise you end up with >>17564436 which has overcooked egg and (looks like) pancetta or >>17565209 which is a watery mess and wrong usage of cream. >>17565464 is the correct execution of the dish

Don't confuse having few ingredients with the difficulty of execution and refinement of the dish. Carbonara is certainly a difficult dish

>>17565673
>>17565486
> In reality something as simple and Tuscan as Bread and Tomato soup blows it out of the water and that's made from day-olds
IT's not something exclusive from Tuscany. It doesn't look like you did your homework well
> Romanfood is mediocre.
It's perfectly on par with Tuscanian cuisine, if you state otherwise you are objectively retarded and a cooklet and probably don't know either cuisine

>>17565673
>>17565486
>Northern Italian food is the best.
Northern Italy's cuisine has a great Germanic influence, not exactly an example of excellent cuisine
Besides dishes of Italian influence you will find many variations of dishes that you can find in Germanic countries such as spatzle, canederli, goulash, schnitzel, etc.

In northen Italy they also make excellent dishes (and also in Germany) but overall the south and the center win hands down and it is quite obvious if you know both cuisines. stating the opposite is incredibly ridiculous

>>17564436
No. Most flyovers don't know anything other than what daddy taught them and have a strong sense of, "if I don't know what it is it's some liberal BS and I'm not interested". That's not even hyperbole. America is a strange country.

>>17565085
>proper ingredients
You do you, properly done carbonara (guanciale, pecorino, egg yolk, pepper) is god tier imo. I guess most americans think their cream onion garlic pasta omelette is a better carbonara just because it's "american" and second to none.

>>17565141
Poor bait.

>>17564436
That sounds pretty normal.
That's not exactly something you'd find at most low end casual Italian joints.
That's more like a thing they'd find out about if they're really into cooking.

I did not know what carbonara was until I was 27 and saw it in The Sims 3.

>>17565464
That is magnificent.

>>17564436

You dumb foid attention-seeking bitch, get the fuck out of 4chan right now.

>>17564436
No, it is weird that you are not an illiterate. Also ywnbaw.

>>17565673
You italians are absolutely fucking insufferable when it comes to food. Who the hell cares?

I hate snobism when it comes to regional food as much as the next guy and I also cooked and ate fake Carbonara, but >>17565673 is right.

Carbonara is a filter for a lot of skills a proper cook needs to have. Knowing about the potential of uncooked eggs for taste and binding as well as understanding temperature filters a lot of people.

If you don't see or taste the difference between cream/ham pasta and a proper Carbonara, your palate is underdeveloped
If you don't see or taste a difference between scrambled eggs with bacon and pasta >>17564436
and actual creamy Carbonara akin to >>17565464 you need to get better at cooking or live a happy ignorant life like Kay or Jack

>>17564436
How do i make Carbonara not taste too eggy

>>17566201
>You italians are absolutely fucking insufferable when it comes to food.
They are. But
>Who the hell cares?
People that actually have an interest in cooking instead of the around the clock shitposting.
>>17566501
Add more pecorino. Extra freshly ground black pepper also helps. Are you using a full egg+a yolk per portion or full eggs?
Also might be the brand/type of eggs, try switching things up as long as they're extra fresh.

>>17564436
Carb onara?

>>17564436
Whisk eggs, cream, bacon and parmesan in a jug. Pour it onto some cooked pasta for a few seconds until warm and serve. Grade some cheddar on top for extra deliciousness.

>>17564436
No it's not weird. I live in nowhere Iowa and I hadn't heard of it until I started learning to cook at 25. My wife hadn't heard of it either until I made it for her.

>>17564436
im convinced carbonara doesnt exist outside this website

>>17566903
This is the only true answer

>>17564436
sometimes people know about dishes but with different names, carbonara is the italian name while in my town we call them creamy noodles.

>>17566896
>guaranteed Italian replies

I'm Italian American. I grew up partly in New York and I don't even know what carbonara is. First time I heard of it was in an olive garden commercial

>>17566932
>Italian American
So you're a larping american, got it.

>>17566987
I don't think anyone would larp as american. That's why the whole "I'm actually 1/3 $country" you hear in the US, because nobody wants to be an amerilard

>>17566987
Lol my family has been here before ww1 so we've been here a while

>>17565464
looks fukken silky, nice

>>17565442
>> for some reason the 'correct' version of carbonara is oft debated online
>No it's not
It's like, one of the biggest Italian meme debates there is, wtf

>>17566501
use more of the other flavor ingredients

>>17564436
I grew up in mississippi and later florida, didn't know what spaghetti carbonara was until I moved to austria. The only reference to it I ever experienced while in the south was the goopy carbonara you could make in the sims, but had no concept of what that was

>>17567000
I can see it now... Takashi moves to Ohio, wears a cowboy hat and boots, carrying around a 6 shooter saying "howdy patneru!" having learned everything he knows about America watching John Wayne films. Tries to get a job as Sheriff

>>17564436
>that pic
I also had scrambled eggs and bacon for breakfast, no joke

>>17564436
How oldis she exactly?
Actually it probably doesn't matter I'd still say no. Where I live in flyoverland there isn't much in the way of high brow dining outside of the cities with at least 100k people so she wouldn't encounter it unless she had an interest in cooking specifically and saw it online, and if she did encounter it it would almost certainly be prepared with cream in it so she would file it in the "alfredo" category and forget the name immediately and in later instances think of it as "bacon alfredo"

>>17567602
is spaghetti carbonara fine dining? It's just a bland pasta dish, I fucking hate pasta though desu

>>17565442
> for some reason the 'correct' version of carbonara is oft debated online
>No it's not
>proceeds to debate which version is correct

>>17567621
Italians are braindead more news at 11

>>17567647
gavin's great, people are faggots

>>17567619
It's not fine dining but it's hard to pull off correctly, and I'm not just talking about getting the right ingredients. You have to have a cook who is paying attention and not on drugs at the time to do it. It's also going to put customers off unless they're cosmopolitan enough to want to try things like that or even seek it out in the first place. And neither of those people live in Wausau for very long if they can help it

>>17564436
It's not weird at all. As a European cook I'm very interested in Native American dishes.

I can't name a single one, off the top of my head - except for ceviche. I don't think I can prepare it well, with the ingredients available to me.

>>17567679
I bet you could get your hands on the shit to make succotash, pemmican, johnnycakes (with berries in it of course), Alaskan ice cream, cedar plank salmon, and pepperpot. Frybread is the most well known indian dish but it's kinda gay to call it that. It'd be like if a bunch of Albanians moved to Sweden and started making chips and they called that "albanian potatoes"

>>17567647
Internet "Italians" are not a good representation of the actual people.

>>17567679
Cornbread

Remember that a lot of popular foodstuffs in western cuisine originate in the Americas. Capsicum/chilli peppers, tomatoes, potatoes, corn/maize, squash, beans, peanuts, and a dozen other things.

>>17565873
Yes, flyover country is hell. Stay in your LA suburb where it’s safe. If us flyovers see a Cali plate, we slash the tires

>>17566253
>I hate food snobbery but..
>proceeds to be a snob about food
Clockwork

>>17567563
Funny thing is he could do that. Maybe not in Ohio, but somewhere like Arizona or Texas he’d be welcomed with open arms. And he could get a job as a sheriff, if he could prove he was competent enough for the position. Honestly I’d rather entrust law and order in the hands of some nip larping as John Wayne than I would with about ¾ of people actually born in this country

>>17567815
>"Italians" are not a good representation of actual people.
fixed

>>17567920
There's a guy like that in Missouri, Shoji Tabuchi

>>17564436
I'm a fairly good cook and I'm not entirely sure what carbonara is.

>>17564436
depends on how she looks
if she's cute it's cute
if she's fat its stupid

>>17566932
I am also Italian-American and never heard of it before trendy jewtubers started making it. It's because it was only invented in the 50s or something.

>>17567533
Pizza is not debated at all between italians, there are other recipe that people discuss
Obviously I meant between italians, opinions from other countries don't matter

>>17567621
debating with a mutt on a chink board. The posts implied that italian debated on how carbonara it's made you cretin.
That' doesn't happen

>>17567647
I remember finding that video.
Basically a mutt called grana padano a piece of parmigiano reggiano or vice versa and people commented about the mistake he made
He got made because a lot of people simply commented the mistake he made (he knew what cheese was but said the wrong thing by mistake).
That shows how touchy are american, they feel raped if you simply correct them lol

>>17568141
>>17568134
asshurt/10

>>17568134
> Pizza
*carbonara

>>17568169
it's all in your head mutt. Don't skip the meds

>>17568154
gavin is australian though? im confused

>>17568181
I don't remember it was like a year ago, you're probably right, I just remember he was a touchy little faggot speaking english and it was very funny
corn syrup niggers are also very sensitive to critics tho.

>>17568154
He also "received a cease and desist letter from the Consortium for the Protection of Grana Padano Cheese, alleging it infringed on their protected designation of origin (PDO) of Grana Padano Cheese."

>>17567370
So you’re just American then. As an American I’m not surprised you’re unfamiliar with carbonara.

>>17568206
It's right there in the tweet "Australian" you're talking about someone else

>>17568252
There are also the american thinking that correcting someone is equivalent to "fuck you" in the tweet

>>17568229
Not who you're talking to but most Italians in the Northeast are ancestrally 100% Italian with grandparents from Italy who basically do the same shit they'd been doing since they got off the boat. Many of them even speak Italian although obviously that number gets exponentially smaller each generation. They're very insufferable people

>>17568257
Are you illiterate? The Tweet literally says they were telling him to go fuck himself. If you can't speak English please go to an Italian website.

>>17568264
I saw the video and there wasn't a single comment saying "fuck you" you retard.
He either made that up or just felt that a correction is the same as harassing someone

>>17568213
I have not followed the story but, even if in an excessive way, a letter from the consortium is not different from any strike on youtube regarding products covered by some "copyright" law, because that product is actually covered by some protection.

It was probably an excess of zeal on the part of the legal section of the consortium that did not even see the video, then they wrote to him that by seeing the video he made it clear that he did not want to be the original product but only replicated the style and therefore there was no abuse of the protected name of "grana padano".
There is also the possibility that it was a marketing move hoping for a video of him, but this is just my speculation.

>>17568305
yeah that's pretty much it

>>17568229
>Eurofag playing dumb
How original

>>17568305
>I have not followed the story but
OK

>>17565598
>brown southern italian hands typed this post

>>17568432
it's like listening to someone from nigeria arguing their burning tire smoked goat is better than in the other village

>>17568432
like the boot corn syrup nigger, you know you like it

>>17568463
My entire extended family is from Milan or Parma.

>>17568463
meant for >>17568435

>>17568465
Still a finocchio

>>17568468
t. sandnigger

>>17568474
go make some tortellini, finocchietto

>>17565598
>>17565673
>>17565705
>>17568154

Dagos are seriously the biggest wastes of oxygen on the planet. Italy is a smelly, disgusting, poverty-racked shithole. A boot shaped, dysgenic dumpster of barbarian and Muslim rape babies huddled over the hollowed out remains of a long dead empire and larping as its successors. Dagos bring nothing but crime, filth, nastiness, and a massively unearned air of self-importance to whatever part of the world they infest. The world would be a better place if everything below Venice was under the Mediterranean

>>17568846
> weak pasta on a carbonara thread

>>17569138
just because it's pasta doesn't mean it's not true

>>17568154
>He got made
Regional naming is nothing but protection racket

>>17565141
>no cream
Dagos did not have fridges till the late 80s and could not store cream. They were literally worse off than Yugoslavians.

>>17569393
If you are this obsessed I would suggest dating an Italian man, maybe it will calm you down

>>17569723
i've fucked plenty of italian men in the ass all they talk about is seethe about their pasta and sauce and shit

>>17569736
enjoy your AIDS faggot

>>17569741
enjoy paying for my AIDS medication you cum bucket

>>17569757
I don't live in third world countries sorry. Keep fucking dudes you ill monkey

>>17569757
> you have aids
> yes I have aids but you pay for it
WTF? Is this suppose to be some sort of comeback?

>>17569784
yes i gave aids to juiseppe and you pay for our expensive medications to keep us living and spreading aids through hardcore raw anal sex

>>17569723
I’m the guy who wrote and posted: >>17568846

I’m of Italian descent, have been to Italy on multiple occasions, and am currently dating an Italian girl. I think I’m more than qualified to speak on this subject.

>>17568154
>>17568206
Not even close to what happened. Most of it was the usual bullshit about how a 1% difference in humidity and the composition of the soil on which the cows graze on completely changes the cheese. Thus according to some Italian commenters on the video it can not be called a Parmesan Cheese, even though in the description he calls it a cheese imitating Parmesan Reggiano. My guess is that the same commenters would fail at distinguishing the imitation cheese with Parmesan Reggiano in a double blind taste test.

Video in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1k1w7SnNEY&ab_channel=GavinWebber

The entire Italian act of distorting events to hide their butthurt and project it onto others is tiresome. Next step is for them to act dumb when confronted with evidence.

>>17569792
Don't change the subject. Try dating an Italian man.

>>17569883
I'm already dating a nigger it's the same thing

>>17569883
Unlike most dagos, I’m not a flaming homosexual

>>17565085
>Italian cooking is overrated
literal brainlet take

>>17569898
after japanese food italian is definitely the most overrated food

>>17569874
Not even italian but where are the comments? Are these "Italians" in the room right now?

>>17570128
ESL or just bad at comprehension?

The video is linked in the post.

>>17570134
> ESL
Yes, thank God for that.

Where are the Italian angry posts dumbass

>>17570152
In the comments of the video, sort by date and scroll down. Retard. Also learn English before posting again.

>>17570165
I didn't find any. Post a screenshot or i calll bullshit, retard.

> Learn English
Ahahah no, I already speak a real language

>>17570172
I am not spoon-feeding you, just look for comments older than 1 year.

>derivative of Vulgar Latin
>real language
LOL

>>17570172
no that guy but maybe they have been deleted?
anyway call bullshit if you want or you can probably google to find more references to the complaints that definitely were made at the time.

>>17564436
All girls are weird. They think weird things and make no sense when they talk.

qrd on this whole thread? how the fuck does such a dumb question get more than 100 replies?

>>17570267
americans, italians and italian americans

Imagine the joy of discovering Carbonara at 20

>>17565236

>>17570216

>>17570641
have you considered that I already saw the posts myself?