/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>17409412

Remember what they took from you.

>>17409426
What are you referring to? Shitty advertising posters that lied to a population of alcoholic ptsd suffering vets?
Advertisements for an unsustainably wasteful home design where people water a patch of dirt just to cut the grass down, while you live in disgusting car dependant suburbs because big oil demons wanted Americans to waste gas and destroy public transit and create uncomfortably loud cities with no walking space.

Yeah, want to know what they took from you? Cities with walking space, homes that were affordable, and properly spaces cities that weren't massive wastes of empty space.

Pic related, a castle for every man :^)

>>17409483
Smart and goodpilled

I would rather have stuff like this in my kitchen. It will last forever. You can clean every part of it and move it without remodeling your kitchen.

>>17409483
>What are you referring to? Shitty advertising posters that ried to a popuration of arcohoric ptsd suffering vets?
Advertisements for an unsustainabry wastefur home design where peopre water a patch of dirt just to cut the grass down, whire you rive in disgusting car dependant suburbs because big oir demons wanted Americans to waste gas and destroy pubric transit and create uncomfortabry roud cities with no warking space.

>Yeah, want to know what they took from you? Cities with warking space, homes that were affordabre, and properry spaces cities that weren't massive wastes of empty space.

>Pic rerated, a castre for every man :^)

end your own life, much like the chinese government did to many innocent civilians at tiananmen square in 1989

>>17409520
>defending your lifestyle, values, and generational wealth being eroded by rich and powerful jews for a century
Damn you're a fag. I don't have anything else to say, you're just a huge faggot. Enjoy living in the hell that they made for you

>>17409535
Anon I agree with you to a degree but you are also being a faggot.

Change lawns to a victory gardens and malls to town centers Bam problem solved.

>>17409535

>>17409520
Here's the usual argument you make
>You see, I'm free because I have a car.
A car is an asset, and it doesn't make you free. You're not "free" to spend a large chunk of your income on a downpayment, a substantial amount more on maintenance, gas, parking and so on. Rarely people actually exercise their freedom with cars beyond driving to work and downtown.
>Also transit is terrible, and for the Poors!
Another piece of big oil propoganda. Yes see never mind that Europe, Japan and Korea look exponentially cleaner with their transit system, never invest in transit because it'll only be useful for gross yucky poor people, who you most certainly are not.

Can you read the sarcasm?

Your system is a massive grift. You aren't more free, and you aren't Saving money. If you relied on transit you wouldn't have to worry about your car breaking down and losing your only access to the city. If cities weren't built around ugly suburbs you'd have tasteful looking cities instead of a shithole sea of parking lots.

>but Anon, I want a normal kitchen with cheap crap from Lowes.

I wash dishes everyday. Why do I have to settle for less just because it is a residence?

>>17409565
>>17409520
>If you insult MY GLORIOUS COUNTRY THEN YOU'RE A FOREIGNER AGENT TRYING TO SOW DISSENT
imagine being an American who wants America to act like a soviet police state.
The whole point of America is that were free to question the shitty decisions so we can improve shit, that's what this cou try was founded on. What fucking mental gymnastics are you doing to think we can't talk shit about bad decisions.

AMERICA IS NOT ABOUT CARS, PARKING LOTS AND SUBURBS.

>>17409585
if that doesn't apply to you then why be defensive about it

>I don't Anon, we are just normal people. Why would we have quality possessions.

>>17409574
>sentenced to death for rioting against the chinese government

>>17409594
I'm not, I'm wondering why you're so confident that your insult even sticks to me.
I'm wondering why you think supporting public transit and less parking lots must come from a Chinese spy, you big fucking retard.

>>17409609
you inserted yourself, so you must feel some attachment to the accusation

What do we think of floor sinks?

>>17409615
Oh you were just trying to derail my argument. Got you. Fuck off loser.
>>17409622
Based but they should all use a foot panel to control water. That way you aren't touching a dirty handle.

>>17409432
Man, that wall mounted fridge looks like it'd be a bitch to repair.

Worse so if you want to replace the fucking thing. (No point swapping out the compressor since they cost as much as a new fridge.)

>>17409790
>No point swapping out the compressor since they cost as much as a new fridge.)
The new fridge wouldn't last as long as the 50s one.

>>17409453
I love this aesthetic but can't help but wonder if the women did anal back then?

>>17409958
Yeah, but it wouldn't be as moldy. Something the granny owner of it would be sure to complain about.

Those mounted electric ovens were built to last, though and the heating elements are easy to swap out. The main annoyance on those are the stupid analog timers: many of them don't turn on unless you set it.

>>17410102
I like having all that stuff under a range hood.

>>17409615
Literally autistic, being tricked by advertising from 70 years ago and immediately othering anyone that tells you. You're either a kid or one of those literal boomers /pol/ picked up in 2015. I can't imagine anyone else being so retarded. LALALALA EVERYTHINGS FINE YOU'RE CHINESE

>>17410287
>riterarry autistic, being tricked by advertising from 70 years ago and immediatery othering anyone that terrs you. You're either a kid or one of those riterar boomers /por/ picked up in 2015. I can't imagine anyone erse being so retarded. RARARARA EVERYTHINGS FINE YOU'RE CHINESE
off yourself

>>17409519
I 100% agree but utilitarian things scare people. I we could just normalize kitchen doors we could have things like this and everyone hag of a wife could still have her dining room with useless shit

>>17409584
I remember some boomers I was volunteering with were accusing one guy of being some drug dealer because he had commercial equipment in his residence. Why not? Instead of that boat you take out once a year spring for something you can use.

>>17409574
>paying for parking

>>17409483
I’d like a place to walk.

>>17410340
Ok Stalin

>>17409574
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO1!!! YOU CANT LIVE IN THAT COMFY SUBURB! YOU NEED TO LIVE IN THE BOX, EAT THE BUGS AND GET MUGGED BY JAQUANDIS WHILE WAITING FOR THE SMELLY BUS!

>>17409574
>Yes see never mind that Europe, Japan and Korea look exponentially cleaner with their transit system
Demographics issue

>>17410042
They sure did!

They took this from us.

>>17410042
Even more than now. They didn't have anything better to do then fuck around with their holes. No Internet, 3 TV channels and the time saving effort of the modern electric kitchen. It was all cocktails and fucking my friend

>>17412302
That's the truth!

>>17409412
>>17409419
>>17409426
>>17409412

Holy shit I have a huge kitchen room like this on in my house. Super retro style with a counter that encompasses three walls it's amazing there is so much room for activity ill go take a picture

>>17412348
I hope you do

>>17412291
I grew barbeque skewers with American loaves and celebration baskets too.

>>17409574
Darkies and drug addicts use public transit and that alone makes people unwilling to use it. Bring back segregation.

I have a shitty 50s yellow kitchen, with 2 outlets and about 3ft of low counters made for a tiny womanlet. It's ass. I have to prep in the dining room, because there's no pantry at all. I have a rolling industrial rack shelf for pantry and storage in the only extra space in there. Would rather have a galley kitchen.

>>17409412
Too many kitchens are the narrow 'galley' style where there isn't space for a table like that. If you've got a nice open kitchen, most people put an island in these days.

>>17412549
>stuffed baked potatoes above the muffins/pudding
>directly on rack

>>17409412
VGHH

>>17409483
Why do suburbs trigger retards so much? It obviously has a lot of negative but living like sardines in a big city or 1 person per 100 miles in a rural area is not any better.

>>17409426
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/4305-W-Jupiter-Way_Chandler_AZ_85226_M14819-67961

check out the kitchen

>>17409483
>Cities with walking space
cities are the worst places to live. stop trying to herd everyone in to grey distopian socialist shitholes.

>>17409574
cars ARE freedom.
I can (and do) go anywhere I want, anytime I want.

I'm moving to a new house and trying to do that without a car would be nearly impossible. 30 miles from my current house to the new one? couldn't do it.

but with my car I can drive when, where, and how I want and load up as much as I want.

I own a subaru and so far after 6 years cost of ownership is for lower than I expected.

I don't worry about my car breaking down because I take care of it, and I own 3 (used to be 4) soon to be 4 again when I get a giant RV (paid in cash) then I will become even more free and you can't stand that!

>>17412805
They think they know better than anyone else and that everyone should live like they live.

>>17409790
on a youtube channel (curiosity inc) I think they bought a horders house. in it was a fridge from the 60's or before. It was under a pile of junk when they opened it, it was still running and was half filled with ice that had built up from condensation from a leaking door seal.

a modern fridge lasts 10 years if your are lucky.

>>17409483
There is literally nothing wrong with suburbs with proper road planning.

>>17410349
the kitchen in my new house will have a restaurant grade stove and fridge.

>>17412805
because the avocado toast munching tumblr rejects will never own a car or a house.

>>17409577
>>17409584
>>17409600
>said someone who never worked in a commercial kitchen. Ever.

>>17410349
Because those boomers probably knew that the kitchen cost more than the boat.
And they probably bought drugs from him.

>>17409958
>>17413086
Older appliances aren't necessarily better made, it's just that the cheap junk from back then didn't survive to today.

>>17409483
>Cities with walking space, homes that were affordable, and properly spaces cities that weren't massive wastes of empty space.
This is the uniquely American problem of refusing to police Africans/run them out of town. Of course you're going to run away to suburbs when you're too wimpy to just remove that which makes city centers unlivable.

>>17412805
>living like sardines in a big city or 1 person per 100 miles in a rural area is not any better.
Both are actually a million times better.
Suburbs are prisons.

>>17413335
Generally speaking, they are better made considering it was before the concept of planned obsolescence became so popular.

You should see my stove/oven, it's built like a tank.

>>17413381
>Suburbs are prisons.

>>17413080
>>17413103
>>17413381
Wrong retard, no cars. Only walking. I know fatasses Hate the idea of exercise buts it's good for you

>>17413478
>Wrong retard, no cars. Only walking
literally impossible in a suburb. the sprawl makes it infeasable and the cops will hassle you for walking around with no car anyway.

>>17413489
>cops will hassle you for walking around with no car anyway.
Do Americans really?

>>17413497
Yes.

>>17413497
They might actually get shot if they harassed actual troublemakers. It's easier to shake down harmless white teens.

Protip for all you retards who fall for propaganda 3x older than you: It's easy to find mid-century modern furniture for around the same price as the contemporary particleboard knockoffs.
>>17413497
It's not unheard of in car-dependent areas. Walkers are often considered riffraff, which tbf isn't an unreasonable belief because there's nothing to walk to.
>>17409483
Based and traditional urbanismpilled.

>>17413621
You seem to be the racist, as is very common with your types. I simply don't give a shit about your fucking nations and don't want to visit them.
If you want to call me racist for disagreeing with you then you must have been shillary supporters since that's the best that they can do.
Are you still seething in your closets because Trump beat your annointed one?

>>17409412
I have a table like that in my kitchen, feels comfy. Yellow and mint coloured things should come back, all my friends houses look depressing.

>>17409426
me on the right

>>17412805
Either of those is a better option. In the suburbs you have all the negatives of both rural life (car-dependent because nothing is within walking distance, costly maintenance for house and yard, limited shopping options except for big-box stores) and the negatives of urban life (nearby neighbours, strict zoning).

If you live in the boonies, there's nothing near you but at least you have plenty of space to fuck around, and if you live in the city centre there's people living right on top of you but you're near everything you need.

freestanding kitchens are superior. i just use a massive workbench. cost like 2 grand to build my kitchen, a fitted kitchen would have been closer to 10.

>>17409622
Revolting

>>17413814
Seems like gaps in the market that could easily be filled by people who want to make money. In Sydney suburbs everything you need is within walking distance, and the cultural facilities of the CBD are only a 30 minute to one hour train or bus ride away.

>>17413438
Planned obsolescence is a meme. Products have always been designed with an expected lifetime, simple as. In fact, many products, especially cars, are more reliable today than they were in the 50s and 60s

>>17410826
this is such a uniquely american concept. it's a bizarre form of stockholm syndrome that is only cured by living in a city with properly functioning social services.

Somehow living a 2 min walk to a train station with a train that comes every 7 minutes to take you to and from work for less than $3(but company pays both ways commute anyways) is comparable to living in pod, eating bugs, etc.

>>17412291
i do shit like this all the time except my camp kichen is way better

>>17413869
Its unfortunately not as simple as a market based solution. The sheer amount of money required to do a development like that is insane, and also a lot of americans have already bought into home ownership as a wealth building asset(retarded, because you can never cash out). It would require a top down approach rather than bottom up, but rather than having urban planners that help design this sort of thing, we have regulations and bureacratic red tape that get in the way.

The result is that you have a fight on both sides, and the closest thing that gets approved is pre-stamped garbage 5 over 1s that are market price, aka "luxury" pls pay bc we put in a stainless steel fridge.

>>17413869
>>17414053
And if you mean people who want to make money by putting, for example, a grocery store in walking/biking distance from homes, they can't do that because of zoning laws.

The basic american thought process is simple: >single family home is valuable, it is poor people that have to share walls.
>A single family home next to nothing but other single family homes is the most valuable, because undesirable poor people must live where there are homes with shared walls.
>Having all your wealth tied up in constantly increased home values(because no one wants to build homes with shared walls, so supply is restricted and home prices only go up), that's fine
>just means you have to fight against future nearby developments at all costs, otherwise you'll become poorer

basically theres very little political capital behind fixing zoning, because you piss off a huge % of american population who's entire net worth is based on an artificially low housing supply that is reinforced by those legal regulations.

>>17413656
extremely low-effort bait
>>17413988
>Products have always been designed with an expected lifetime
This is technically correct insofar as manufacturers can predict how long a product will last, but products haven't "always" been designed to break more early than they could with a higher-quality design and materials; that's a product of consumerist culture. Compare clothing manufactured now compared to even twenty years ago and you will see for yourself that the quality is incredibly low so that consumers will have to buy more shitty clothes a few months down the line.

>>17413442
i do not miss being a rentcuck

i live in the boonies now and cranking my stereo of guitar amp up 11 at 315am will never get old

>>17414093
not who you are replying to but I think there's an important distinction behind planned obsolescence and just cheap/low quality goods.

Planned obsolescence implies a step further, as in the product is programmed to begin deteriorating at the two year mark. Usually only luxury brands can do this because otherwise people would switch to a competitor who does not engage in this behavior(unless industry wide collusion, harder to prove)

Low priced goods, like cheap clothes serve a segment of the population that simply cannot afford to pay for a quality good that will last. Consumerism can definitely play a role here but I think its a fundamentally different grift from planned obsolescence

>>17413988
But it's gone from "design product, determine if lifetime is sufficient, sell product" to "design product for sufficient lifetime, sell product."

>>17414017
I lived in the suburbs with a 1 min walk to the station where trains came every 10 min and it was like $5 roundtrip, which I had to pay for. Where do I stack up, euroman?

>>17414134
tokyo, rent under $600usd(very small, granted), 9min walk to station, 20 minute train ride into Shinjuku station. Company paid commute via commuter card for train, some people game the system even further by including a transfer at a popular station where they can get off to do shopping, bars, etc on their way home and still have commute paid for.

Never been to Europe, but your situation sounds comfy as well. I think paying for trains sounds scary at first, but after really comparing budget, monthly car related expenditures are far less than my transit related expenditures(not to mention most shopping, even at big box style stores can be reached for free on bicycle).

If anything, the money I save using public transit eventually funds a shinkansen trip out to a resort location for vacation. But by all means americans, keep paying Geico, Chevron, and the auto repair shop for your "freedom"

>>17414155
>But by all means americans, keep paying Geico, Chevron, and the auto repair shop for your "freedom"
thanks i will

>>17414093
Those higher quality items cost a lot more accounting for inflation than they do today, so of course the quality will be better.

Example: https://www.thepeoplehistory.com/60selectrical.html

A fridge in the 1968 cost around $500. Accounting for inflation, that would be over $4000 today. For that money you could buy a modern commercial grade fridge that would last your entire lifetime.

There's no grand conspiracy to have things break easily so that you buy a new one. These items are built to a cost, and most people are unwilling to pay the price for a quality long lasting item

>>17414174
I know it might come across this way, but I really do not have any problem with you. I just feel pity for the Americans unlike you, who are now realizing they can never experience a truly high QoL as long as they live in America.

It's also VERY hard to get a visa into other countries. In Japan you basically have to do what I did and come in as an Assistant Language Teacher(low income cuck) and then develop or market any skills that you imported to get a real job. Its very rare for companies to hire with visa sponsorship

>>17414205
not everyon's idea of high qol is living in a tiny japanese tier apartment and being shuttled to work 5 days a week surrounded by 700342745k japanese people

>>17414238
thats ok but it is some peoples. I had no idea I would love it until I moved here. The idea of an apartment as small as mine freaked me out, but I ended up loving it. I often take women to love hotels anyways(can be as low as $20)

I just think American needs more higher density area and more livable suburbs and rural areas. It takes away that choice.

>>17412325
Where can I find this oven rack apparently made for suspending roasts like a ye olde fire spit?

>>17414250
i find every city i've ever visited stressful and depressing after spending any more than a week or two there

the hell are all these problematic pictures from the 50-60s itt?

>>17414268
Not him but We've been explaining WHY this entire thread and your first instinct was to call us bug eaters. If American cities weren't designed so shit you wouldn't feel so stressed out.

>>17414090
And yet this has to fucking crash at some point once nobody buys them.

Take the California housing crises, the massive amount of homeless tent cities popping up.
There are 9 empty homes for EVERY 1 homeless. The values go up to millions simply due to tech companies opening headquarters near residential areas, which the current home owners want. However it essentially nukes the entire housing market because they're too fucking expensive to afford by anyone.

>>17414295
a happier world

>>17412362
>old codger holding knife point up so woman can't put the turkey down

>>17414250
>I just think American needs more higher density area and more livable suburbs and rural areas. It takes away that choice.

Fixing urban areas is impossible without a definitive answer to the race question.

>>17413080
>Rationalist commie is a retard with no critical thinking skills
many such cases *sips covfefe*

>>17409426
me on the right sitting down

>>17413335
yes they were made better. they were built to last many are still going.

>>17413478
wrong moron where I live nothing is close by. and in the summer it gets up to 118° fuck you and your walking. walking is deadly where I live.

>>17415251
Ok so you'd get a unique design for your area? Why are you acting like nobody can have better cities because it's be uncomfortable for you?

>>17415270
because it will never happen. no one wants to walk everywhere it's totally inconvenient and the people who do it are all poors or deranged.

>>17415150
It’s always like that when people bitch about why things can’t be as good as possible. Literally niggers. Especially in the American South, we have the highest ratio of niggers to humans but people keep wondering why everything is fucked and the suburbs happened in the first place.

>>17413489
>cops will hassle you for walking around with no car anyway
bullshit. i've lived in and walked in the suburbs for my entire life and i've never been hassled for walking.

>>17415506
this AND with weed

>>17415312
You fundamentally misunderstand the entire conversation if you think I'm arguing for only walking

>>17415506
>>17415251
>>17414268
What is this type of person who just comments "nuh uh can't happen because it never happened to me"
Do you think sex is a myth because you never get laid?

Mods please delete.

>>17415812
Telling people bad things WILL happen to them when they never have problems is simply being recognized as fear-mongering.

>>17415071
ive been to asian and european cities
im a country bumpkin by choice

>>17415916
especially when you tell this to people smarter than you who have taken steps to ensure it wont happen in their near future
>just move to asia and become a bug person ironically
>it wont hurt as much if youre not forced into it

verification not required

>>17415484
Yes, I hope our future Brahmin and Chinese overlords are not nearly as lenient and soft toward them as the white man mistakenly was.

>>17409483
>What are you referring to? Shitty advertising posters that lied to a population of alcoholic ptsd suffering vets?
Anti-suburbs always project the idea that everyone is secretly as miserable as them. I like having a garden backyard thank you very much.

>>17415484
Suburbs happened everywhere. Tokyo is extremely suburban. It's mostly 2-3 story buildings.

The uniquely counterproductive elements of American city planning are a result of the aforementioned lack of intestinal fortitude to confront the question of how to live with a visible subpopulation who are ~10x more violent than anyone else and and generally unpleasant to live around.

>>17416094
id be violent too if you exported my ancestors from their homeland to enslave them

>>17409412
I think that built-in counters have been the norm at least since indoor plumbing became standard.

>>17413344
>This is the uniquely American problem of refusing to police Africans/run them out of town
Lazy argument, dude. As if there wasn't organized "mob"-type crime before the blacks and browns "invaded" the cities, but that's not really the point. The blacks and browns didn't design the cities to have no greenery, no walkability and small living spaces back then. They certainly aren't the ones responsible for skyrocketing housing prices now. You have the "freedom" to not like blacks, but blaming people you don't like for all the world's problems just makes you look like a fool.

>>17409426
For example, "They" didn't "take" ugly, garish design, stupid "futuristic" contraptions (I mean, what the fuck is that thing, some kind of automatic salad spinner?), or barbecuing outdoors. People moved away from this shit on their own. Those things are what was trendy back then. If "rejecting modernity" means going back to this - I'm out.

>>17409483
>your only choices are cities or suburbs!
Imagine not being a rural chad and having acres of land where you can plant for your own personal subsistence, and live surrounded by nature without needing to interact with other "people" if you don't feel like it.

>>17416103
If your ancestors weren't dumb niggers, your ancestors' own TRIBESMEN wouldn't have tied them up and sold them Jews and Arabs for shiny rocks.

>>17416103
I'd shoot you. Problem solved.

>>17416870
no you wouldnt
youre a little puss

>>17409426
those metal cabinets are actually pretty nice not gonna lie. so much easier to clean than other materials (painted wood especially).

>noooo muh liberals made it so I can't even have my....HECKIN SHRIMP KABOBS ON THE BEACH!!!

>>17413497
I once flew to Wyoming to meet a girl I talked to on the internet. I tried to walk everywhere. A few times an hour people pulled up and asked me what I was walking for. "heeeeey buuuuuddy, whatchawalkinfawh?". Some people expressed concern that the sheriff would pick me up, others assumed I'd broken down. I'd get to a store and want to walk to the one next door and I'd cross the massive car park and climb down a ditch and over a storm drain and up the other side and find there was a chain link fence blocking the way. To get to the next store I'd have to walk across the carpark, down the access road, along the multiple lane carriageway up the next access road and across the carpark again. Sometimes the roads were so wide I'd look left and right and see everything was totally clear and by the time I was 3/4 of the way across there'd be a car almost upon me, I'd be trying to wait in the road, they'd be acting all fucking weird because they think they have seen an alien or something because there is never anybody in the road there so I'm trying to work out if they'll swerve or something erratically. Often shit was ridiculous because it was a billion degrees there in the desert so a simple task like 'walk to the library and then go buy cigarettes' required me to pack water like an expedition or risk dying of dehydration. A few times I got stuck on the wrong side of the tracks while huge ass fucking freight trains went past all afternoon. Like the world stopped for the trains and I'm trying to find anything to use as shade in the heat. I was also there a second time in winter this time and it just goes from that to several feet of snow drifts and extremely low temperatures. Fucking place. I enjoyed visiting, but I'd never want to live there in a million years.