/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>17304413
It’s like when they said eggs were bad for you, now it’s food for you.

This is all bullshit. No one knows anything about nutrition. It’s all guess work.

>SOYENCE SAYS...!

>>17304413
havent in 3 years
also no fatty fish, nuts, or seeds

>>17304439
This DESU senpai. Food science is bought science, it's organized propaganda to direct positive attention towards crops/commodities that aren't getting as many sales as usual.

>>17304454
And what have you done with those veritable seconds of your mildly prolonged existence? Shitposted on 4chan.

>>17304495

>>17304413
I use rapeseed oil, so yeah.

>>17304413
peanut oil is really the best for doing poppy corn

>>17304439
I mean the industrial processing of seed oils uses neurotoxic solvents, and they do remain in trace amounts.

>>17304413
I use peanut oil. I'm hypoglycemic so I tend to crave peanuts all the damn time. Just thinking about those delicious complex proteins is turning me on.

>>17304495
Worth it

>>17304413
Why should I answer you when you don't answer your own question you fucking faggot?

>>17304439
Humans have evolved to receive a 100% nutritious and filling diet with just bare hands. You can't make seed oils, gmo soy, HFCS and shit like that with bare hands. Just eat what they ate 500 years ago.

>>17304644
The solvents are not as important as the unsaturated fat content.
Linoleic acid -> Arachidonic acid -> PG-2 -> Inflammation
among other problems

>>17304710
shut up labcoat

>>17304644
>the industrial processing of seed oils uses neurotoxic solvents, and they do remain in trace amounts.

Isn't pig lard the most healthy form of oil? It's natural and it comes from animals.

>>17304439
This
>>17304697
And this.

>>17304439
Hahaha no, everybody knows vegetable oil is bad for you. They knew it 50 years ago.

>>17304413
>source: some housewife's blog

>>17304439
This is always the reply when talking about how seed oils are poison. Here's the difference: humans have been eating eggs, meat, and lard from the beginning. Butter and dairy for thousands of years. Seed oils are an industrial product that didn't exist when your grandfather was born. You don't need to be a nutritionist to see where corporate or political interests influence what we "know" about food

>>17304413
Not using Lard.

>>17304439
don't eat too much of any one thing, don't eat too much in general, exercise, get some fresh air, take it easy, and have things to look forward to and you will be healthier than 99% of the population

>>17304726
shelf stable lard you can still find at grocery stores sometimes is basically the same as vegetable oil

unprocessed, fresh lard or tallow is difficult to find and can be expensive but is what people are talking about when they say animal fat is healthier

>>17304726
>>17305164

Find a local pig/cattle rancher and buy unrendered fat. I got 30lbs for 1.50/lb. It's really easy to render it yourself. Just a bit messy.

>>17304454
>also no fatty fish, nuts, or seeds
arent these the best things you can eat?

>>17305185
seeds have some anti nutrients but some are still quite nutritious. fatty fish is great for omega 3s

>>17304413
Didn't read. I am going to start using MORE vegetable oil.

>>17304413
Vegetable oil is usually rapeseed oil, I've never in my life seen soybean oil

>>17305192
nuts are also great, well not for the environment

>>17304413
>ctrl+f canola oil
>no results

Huh.

>>17305162
Feels good fitting this description. Can confirm my life is great

>>17305162
actual based posting in action

>>17304413
kys contrarian idiot

>>17304413
yes, just not soybean oil

>>17304697
>grab a handful of sunflower seeds
>squeeze
>oil comes out
wat do

everybody already made the switch to canola anyways old news next

>>17304697
yeah I'm sure they were very smart and healthy in the middle ages

>>17305595
They were compared to us. Stop believing Hollywood.

>>17305609
source?

>>17304413
I heckin love science!
>>17304439
>everything is cookes with canola or soybean oil
yeah...let`s guess

>>17305620
wrong board for that, but don't eat fast food.

>>17305628
so your source is /pol/?
and I don't eat fast food thank you
I just want some resource that says people in the middle ages were healthier than people today
and by people today I don't mean fat americans

>>17304454
Fatty fish is healthy though. It's not pufa's per se that cause problems but omega imbalances, namely too much 6 and too little 3. Seed oils contain lots of omega-6, so the average person eats way too much of that. The reverse is true of omega-3, of which there are relatively few sources but fatty fish is one of them.

>>17305644
>so your source is /pol/?
No. Why would you think that?

>and I don't eat fast food thank you
good. You're welcome. lol

>>17305644
>I just want some resource that says people in the middle ages were healthier than people today
If only you had some of way of finding that information on your end, anon, but alas in this dimension I am in full control. Ain't that a bitch?

t.drives to another city just for pizza

>>17304710
isn't linoleic acid literally essential to metabolism?

>>17304697
>You can't hug a child with nuclear arms
Dumb brain you have there.

>>17305665
>but alas in this dimension I am in full control. Ain't that a bitch?
Stop making my foot itch when my shoe is on and already tied you prick

>>17304413
> cooking with with soybean oil
> not exclusively using olive oil

For all the schizos on 4chan, it's pretty said seeing many on /ck/ willingly ingest seed oils and even contrarians/good little consoomers like >>17305539 and >>17305196 continuing to use them.
Seed oils have been known to be carcinogenic for decades, but the corn/soybean lobbies always shut that shit down. It's the whole reason for the obesity epidemic today.

>>17304413
>Science News
oooooooh
I'm g-
I'm gonna
uuuuhggghhhhhh
I'M GONNA
>from research™ organizations™
TTTTRRRROOOOOOSSSSTTTT

>>17304439
>>17304443
>>17304495
>>17304565
>>17304668
>>17305108
>>17305196
>>17305539
>>17305556
>>17305590
>>17305621
>>17306289
>National Corn Growers Association has deposited $.02 into your account

>>17305164
>>17305177
You guys don't collect bacon fat? Just strain it down once or twice, not great for baking, bit works fine for saute.

>ate like shit for years (American diet)
>losing lots of weight, eating better
>terrified of the wrong foods, though discovering what those are isn't straightforward, I still don't understand
>cheat day once a week
>fast the day after I eat freely

How am I doing? Blood pressure is down by 30 and 20 points respectively.
Is shitty food once a month too often?

I only fry with butter, my primary diet consists of:
Eggs, chicken, steak, onions, fresh mozzarella, milk, gluten free low sodium tortillas(quesadillas with sour cream), carrots, celery, lettuce, whole grain wheat pasta and rice.

>>17306232
Didnt ask. Plus you're a pedophile.

>>17305665
>If only you had some of way of finding that information on your end, anon, but alas in this dimension I am in full control. Ain't that a bitch?
why is it the people who always argue the hardest never have actual proof to back their claims?

>>17306560
looking forward to your heart shutting down when you're 50

>>17304413
What kind of a stupid post is this?
Well are you still using it, speak for yourself asshat.

>>17306580
Man it really sucks that you can't look it up yourself.

>>17304656
Seems like you want to die, consult a priest and therapist. Perhaps excorsize the demons within you.

>>17305621
Mongo love science and stuff

>>17306450
Collecting bacon fat is based, but rendering lard or tallow produces a more versatile fat.

>>17306450
I collect it and use it later using a bacon fat collector device. There's a strainer on top and when the bacon is done you pour it in and put the thing in the refriderator. That remindes me to do a bunch now.

>>17306580
No source proffered, no source offered. Do not feed the chat bots.

>>17306450
>not great for baking
Never used it in baking but I used it once to grease a cake pan for a small chocolate cake I made hoping it would leave a little bit of bacony salty flavor. It did not. It cooked and came out of the pan like normal.

>>17306232
You were golden and then you wrote your last sentence. Fuck off, moron.

>>17306698
try searching simple living alaska on youchub
she has a fascination with jarring various types of lard

>>17306232
> seed oils

Olive oil master race

I don't cook with any oils, including olive oil, nor animal fats like butter or suet.

>>17306769
what do you use o wise one?

>>17304413
>Are you still using vegetable oil?
>image about soybean oil

retard

>>17306696
Obviously, but if you have a few pounds of bacon a month, you can get a jar or two of the stuff which is great for sauteéd vegetables or shallow frying.

>>17306735
The fat itself isn't salty, it's those little bacon crumbles in it. The fat itself, especially if you strain it, is pretty mild tasting, you get more of a smoky taste out of it.

>>17306781
Guess what most vegetable oil is, smartypants.

>>17306926
I've never strained my bacon fat. I read once that I was supposed to since the bits can turn it rancid but I've never seen anyone in my family strain it. But despite that I didn't really get any flavor out of it. Not salty nor smokey. The cake was still good and I made a peanut butter frosting to top it with so still a win.

>>17306958
I prefer to strain it since the bits can end up a bit too salty or burn if I'm using it as a cooking oil, I also like to make soap out of it when I have a ton of excess. Works better than anything you can buy off the shelf.

I use peanut for everything except bread and eggs

>>17306778
The wise ones go for the onion & garlic

>>17306781
The product name "vegetable oil" is one of the most profitable things to ever come out of a board room meeting. The oil has nothing to do with vegetables, but on a technicality they can still call it vegetable oil. It's made from ultra processed seeds such as cottonseed and sunflower. Fun fact, there's no such thing as a canola plant. Google it for yourself, it's just Jewish word tricks.

>>17306973
Interesting. I knew soap and candles could be made with fat but I've never thought of bacon grease in that way.

>>17307065
Works the same as any other, you just have to strain it and filter it thoroughly to get rid of any bacon residue. Obviously easier with pure lard.
Makes a great bar of soap too, I use the ones I've made because they're way less drying on my skin and more moisturizing than chemical crap you buy at the dollar store.

>>17307065
>>17307098
Based. I just made some 0% superfat tallow soap for laundry. Shredded it with my kitchenaid slicer attachment today.

The mix is 50:50 grated soap to washing ash or sodium carbonate. Cheap as fuck, easy and fast to make, and so far it has worked excellently.

>>17307128
Nice Anon, I haven't gotten into making detergent, but my next thought was to make some skin moisturizer out of animal fat and see how that works.

>>17307098
I've always avoided bar soap before because it always left a weird film feeling on my skin but wasn't moisturizing. Liquid soap at least would still dry my skin with leaving that film. I did just buy a small (and expensive I think compared to the size of it) bar of soap made with goats milk. I'm hoping I get different results.

>>17304413
i only use peanut oil and olive oil depending on what i'm making.

>>17304644

>neurotoxic solvents

Now I know you're full of shit

>>17307204
Never thought of using it for skin care. If you can get grassfed it will probably be pretty good.

A useful tip for lower stability oils is to add rosemary essential oil. It contains a really strong antioxidant that preserves the oil better. Probably smell pretty good with the tallow as well.

>>17307205
Natural, high quality soaps shouldn't leave that film. I noticed that after I started making my own bar soap. I even use it to wash my hair.

>>17307277
Hexane has been shown to be neurotoxic after prolonged exposure.

>>17307277
ever heard of Ethanol, dumb fuck?

>>17307287
>>17307300

You guys using oils from the automotive industry? Never ever have I had seen that in any oil I've bought. I even looked into the Kirkland brand one.

>>17307300
The main solvent they use industrially is hexane, smarty-pants.

>>17304413
>University of California Riverside

>>17305737
It is when you aren't eating LOADS of it.

>>17305162
90% based post just missing the obligatory drink plenty of water and make sure your diet has a good amount of fibrous veg and unprocessed meat

>>17305164
There is a place in my city that sells pork products and they also sell cheap lard. It is basically the same or even cheaper than seed oils.

>>17306554
>gluten free low sodium tortillas
That sounds like a scam. I mean, corn doesn't have gluten and you normally don't put salt in corn tortillas.

>>17307348
>unprocessed meat
MUH unprocessed. Youre an retarded

Why are we all so retarded? Like what is it about humans that make us bicker like fools about this?

I would talk to a doctor about this instead of a person on the internet. Even doing your own research is dubious, because who are you, a scientist?

I'm going to use peanut oil only now for the rest of my life. You can thank the big NUT industry.

I only use canola and olive
Vegetable oil smells weird

>>17307400
I have more nutrition training than most doctors

>>17307400
Avocado oil is superior to peanut in every way except for the price and the possibility of buying cut oil.

Medical malpractice is no.3 leading cause of death in us.

Statistical/methodological interpretation can get pretty complex, but it doesn't take a genius to read studies from a reputable source.

>>17307419
Harvard School of Public Health says vegetable oils are great and saturated fat/red meat is a killer. Are they not reputable?

>>17307430
It depends, but most likely. Harvard may show that, but what if another reputable source or university shows they are unhealthy?

>>17307447
Then the evidence may be ambiguous. Ideally next one would look at the quality of evidence for each claim

>>17307467
This is from harvard's website. A population study. Not necessarily a true understanding of the mechanisms that make an oil healthy or unhealthy.

Honestly it's all kind of fucked.

>>17307510
No one?

>>17304413
I bought a bottle of canola oil once, then my brain told me instinctually "this is not food"

we have poisoned the land, air, and water
there is nothing 'healthy' to be consumed anymore
health is a myth

>>17304413
>soybean oil
Literally have never seen this sold in stores

WHO THE FUCK USE SOYBEAN OIL ?
DO BURGERS REALLY ?

>>17307054
>>17306941
in the only country that matters, "vegetable oil" means canola.

>>17309365
because it can and is labeled as vegetable oil

>>17309599
>2000 year old chinese staple
You really need to have that obsession of yours checked out, bud.

>>17306619
Not him but it's not a matter of whether he's able to look it up himself or not. The whole point of the burden of proof in discussions is that dishonest retards like you can't just make shit up and deflect from the lack of a source by telling their interlocutor to "look it up".

>>17309732
No stupid, I am right and you and he should both go get gay married and leave good people like me alone.

>>17304413
No, I render my own beef tallow.

>>17307308
it isnt an ingrediant it doesnt have to de listed. its a solvent, its part of the process and doesnt need be listed. wait to you find out tropican sits in huge vats for up to a year. protip they add alot a shit to it too that isnt listed in the "100% fresh orange juice" part of the ingrediants

>>17304439
The people who said eggs are bad for you are the same people pushing for vegetable oils you pseud.

>>17309732
>The whole point of the burden of proof in discussions is that dishonest retards like you can't just make shit up and deflect from the lack of a source by telling their interlocutor to "look it up".
proof?

>>17310013
They won't give you any because types like them made it up in order to stay ignorant.

>>17310021
No I'm asking for proof that
>The whole point of the burden of proof in discussions is that dishonest retards like you can't just make shit up and deflect from the lack of a source
Do you have a source that that's the whole point of burden of proof?

>>17310028
You're brain damaged from being hit by your step dad, so I'll explain one last time.
You have the Internet at your disposal, so look it up your damn self. :)

>>17310038
I see, so you don't have any proof

>>17310040
^brain damage is tragic
If you give just 61 cents a day, we can help tie the tubes of many inner city women who in turn won't churn out anons such as that. Won't you help?

>>17306232
No, anon. You seed oil screechers are the fucking schizos.
You’re literally evangelical religious nuts.
Now tell me how you’re just trying to reveal the truth. But are being actively oppressed by evil forces that non-believers are blind to. Because that totally makes you less of a religious nut.

>>17310045
>gets this upset when asked for proof of your claims
wew

>>17310038
>and deflect from the lack of a source by telling their interlocutor to "look it up"
ah I see

>>17310071
If this was 1951, you'd be right, but YOU refuse to get elsewhere and learn with the power that the Internet still has to this day.
Sad.

>>17310088
here's one stating the widely known fact that middle agers were unhealthy disease ridden retards: https://www.dosespot.com/medicine-and-health-in-the-middle-ages.html , will you provide one of your sources now?

>>17310088
I'm sorry you're not able to prove your claim that
>>The whole point of the burden of proof in discussions is that dishonest retards like you can't just make shit up and deflect from the lack of a source

>>17306958
It could possibly go rancid if you left it out at room temperature if you don't strain it. I store my bacon fat in the fridge so it lasts almost forever.

>But despite that I didn't really get any flavor out of it.
Yeah I used to think that bacon fat would make whatever I cooked taste like bacon too. Turns out that it doesn't.

>>17310093
This is not a food post. You're looking for /pol/. Now go back.

>>17309968
This

>>17310122
oh ok you're an actual retard, i'll see myself out

>>17310235
>i'll see myself out
*fanfare*

>>17304413
No. I use Peanut Oil.

>>17304454
Those are good foods midwit

>>17305272
>not calling it rape oil

>>17304413
I avoid them as much as possible. At home I cook everything either with lard, ghee, butter or olive oil. If im at a restaurant I dont care since I rarely eat outside or order.

>>17307128
>>17307204
You guys should really get /zerowaste/ etc LA model gfs they will be impressed

>>17310326
Also bad according to the seed oil crowd. Although it’s lindy.

>>17307308
Any cheap olive oil is processed with hexane to draw out the last bits of the pressings. I assume they do the same for seed oils.

>>17307348
>unprocessed meat
what did he mean by this

>>17310611

>>17311002
He probably meant meat that hasnt been nitrated or blended up into pink slime to make nuggies with.

It would be pretty based if he was eating raw meat straight from an unskinned carcass tho.

>>17311002
take a bite out of the live animal and just swallow it, do not chew

>>17304413
I keep seeing people sperg out over seed oils, and every time I see ot, I get major anti-smoking preacher vibes from them

>>17306430
Everyone laugh at this dumb retard that thinks vegetable and canola oil comes from corn

>>17308448
went to sleep but yes they generally only publish weak quality evidence from population studies with tiny hazard ratios. the clinical trials tell a different story...

>>17305655
And the biggest problem with fatty fish: only allowed to eat it 2 times per week because of fucking mercury. So basically fatty fish is NOT a meaningful source of omega-3 in your regular diet, purely on the basis of it not being part of your regular diet.

>>17311002
The meme that "red meat" is bad for you is almost completely based on processed meats: hotdogs, salamis, deli meat, corned beef, bacon, basically everything pumped the fuck full of nitrates and sugar. "Red meat" as in a steak is perfectly healthy.

>>17311214
that same data you are speaking of still shows increased meat for more red meat consumption

>>17311240
>increased meat for more red meat consumption
Yes. Meat is increased.

>>17311243
increased risk* for more even unprocessed red meat consumption

>>17311243
INCREASE THE MEAT

>>17310999
So don't buy cheap olive oil

>>17311323
Cheap olive oil isn't even olive oil. It's fucking mystery canola/sunflower/palm oil with flavorings added. The chinkoid olive oil racket is the exact same as the chinkoid honey racket.

>>17305558
Yeah like 5 grams.

>>17305595
They compensated not having dentists and personal trainers by being able to work the fields for 12 hours a day, and go to war. All the food they ate was organic, free range, home grown, and micronutrient-dense by virtue of lacking technology.

>>17305644
Heart conditions and overweight are a 20th century phenomenon.

>>17311785
>>Heart conditions and overweight are a 20th century phenomenon.
the Egyptians beg to differ

>>17311323
Hexane is specifically used for later presses so if you buy extra virgin it's less likely to be in the oil (there have been scandals in the US and Europe regarding the purity and composition of products advertised as olive oil).

Note: "less".

>People are surprised by this
Butter chads always win and are right about everything

>>17311915
>>17311785
You only see fatties in depictions of pharaohs, nobles and other elites. The average person was far less likely to be overweight, diabetic or have heart conditions compared to the upper class. What changed in the 20th century was that suddenly everyone could eat like they were upper class without actually being rich.

>>17311940
>in depictions of pharaohs, nobles and other elites
mummies of all classes showed they all had heart disease and poor bone health

>>17311979
>countless generations of incest between siblings
Nutrition was the least of their problems

>>17311940
You're absolutely retarded if you think ancient Egyptian tomb art is representative of the life of the average ancient Egyptian.

>>17311979
>commoners and peasants were mummified
More like thrown in mass graves.

>>17312001
ok retard let me send cleopatra an email

>>17304413
>öniöns are super bad for you
reality imitates memes.

>>17304413
I unironically like these (you) farm threads because I go down rabbit holes reading the scientific literature and learn a lot of new stuff. It's obviously pointless to argue with the retards in these threads, though.

>>17304413
>nobodys posted it yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQmqVVmMB3k

>>17304413
>eat seeds
>fine
>eat oil from seeds

>>17312159
No wonder you're confused if you think soybeans are seeds.

>>17312175
Are you okay?

>>17307348
don't know how i forgot about the water! and yes vegetables and meat are good additions

>>17304413
>One kind of veggie oil is bad, therefore all veggie oils are bad.
kys retard