/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>17251585
I like eating sweet things

>>17251587
Honey isn't table sugar. Fruit isn't table sugar. My point is you could eat HALF THE BAG of oats every day for 1600 calories, clearly no sane human would actually get that down. From there realizing you can sacrifice 100 calories for blue berries out of the oats, 100 calories for meat, 100 calories for honey. And you still get 350 grams of oats for the day. My contention here is its basically only after adding table sugar that it becomes exceedingly easy to even pass the CICO threshold, not that i believe its the end all be all, I think theres other benefits to eating grain over sugar obviously

>>17251594

>>17251594
I could definitely eat over 3,000 calories and not have any added sugar. Cope more you stupid twink.

>>17251638
You think that but don't realize the reason is because all the foods you probably enjoy sneak it in:
Xanthum gum (sauce thickener)
Table sugar
Glucose
High fructose corn syrup
They use many names for it under ingredients. And if you dont look for it, you're eating it.
I guarantee if you eat 3000 calories on meat, grains, honey, fruit, veggies, youll never gain weight with no exercise. But also your body would never allow it youd get a strong feedback mechanism once the table sugar is cut.
Yes oil moderation, salt moderation can be important but not nearly to the same degree

>>17251664
nice of you to leave out fructose
its not that hard to do 3k as long as its in

op is right on sugar but horribly wrong on everything else

>>17251585
>you could have 400 grams of oats
Is that supposed to be a lot? I mean, it's not little, but I could definitely eat that much and have room for more. Oats are filling in the moment because they take up a lot of volume but once all the water leaves your stomach you're left feeling hungry again, so 400 grams is not as much as it seems.

>>17251585
I always found it insane people can eat 2000 calories in a day let alone significantly exceed that amount.
Just getting up to 500 calories feels like the eating equivalent of a marathon and makes me want to take a nap instead of eating more.

>>17251664
You’re retarded as fuck, schizo, and gay.
Holy shit. Kill yourself and whatever whore shat you out into the world.

>>17251585
another moron that doesn't understand why people are fat and how addiction works.

>>17252059
one half pint of ben and jerrys ice cream has 2500 calories. it says that it contains 5 servings.

I read that AFTER I had eaten the whole thing thinking the half pint was one serving. it wasn't even 2 scoops of ice cream.

also fuck off "500 calories makes me feel full"

>>17252093
>2500 calories
>1/2 pint
Which specific Ben and Jerry's product / flavor is this? If true I'll start eating those, though from what I looked at online just now it doesn't sound like thats right.

>>17252093
This one says.1 full pint = 4 servings of 250 calories each = 1000 calories per pint = 500 calories per 1/2 pint
https://giantfoodstores.com/groceries/frozen/ice-cream-novelties/ice-cream/vanilla-ice-cream/ben-jerrys-ice-cream-vanilla-1-pint.html
Pretty far off from your claim of 2500 calories per 1/2 pint.

>>17252140
>>17252152
dude that was 21 years ago, I don't remember.
the container said 5 servings and the total was 2500 calories. I just remember that it was half a pint and I couldn't eat anything else for the rest of the day.

the place I worked for was celebrating something and bought everyone a half pint of ice cream. I had just finished eating mine when someone came in and said "you didn't just eat all that" so I read the nutrition info and said the serving size was some ridiculously small amount. I thought a half pint was one serving and had only 500 calories.

>>17251594
>100 calories for meat
Wow anon, a whole ounce of steak, all for me?

>>17252420
Anon, you either looked at it wrong or remembered it wrong.
If there were such a thing as a regular Ben & Jerry's ice cream clocking in at 2,500 calories per *half* pint (5,000 per pint) every hungry skelly in existence would eat it and it'd be more popular than GOMAD.

>>17252491
Swap out 900 calories for meat then, people dont eat oats anymore let alone 200g a day. If you can id be shocked
>>17252140
This is the wrong way to gain weight friend
>>17252082
>>17252080
>>17251706
>REEEE HOW DARE YOU ATTACK MY TABLE SUGAR
>>17251677
I guess bro, I hate fruit and milk. McDougall specifically mentioned that you cant get fat on fruit and I tend to agree with him. Yes you can exceed 3000 calories but no that fructose/lactose won't affect your body like simple sugar or simple glucose does

>>17252562
I should say unless the fruit or milk is cooked, I do think science pastifying through ultra pasteurization and making a refined product is very different than eating it raw
Raw milk, raw fruit, raw oil.
Cooked veggies, cooked meat, cooked grains

>>17251664
I can very easily consume 3000 calories of just meat and fat

>>17252562
>This is the wrong way to gain weight friend
Yeah, because 5,000 calorie per pint ice cream doesn't exist unless someone tries to freeze a bag of max calorie intravenous parenteral nutrition from a hospital.

>>17252596
That would be fine friend. Just don't cook it in oil. I suggest baking, then add oil once its done cooking if you need it.

>>17252609
If its not clear yet I am not a CICO supporter, I was only using their thresholds to make a point. Calories aren't the key. Eating lots of healthy grains is. As much as you can eat.

What set you off on your crusade, oats-anon?

>>17252638
I post threads and general hybrid McDougall grain ideals minus the veganism perspective. Despite the old man being crazy towards meat, he's absolutely correct about grains and fruit. Plus I just like talking about food its important.

>>17252614
>grains
>healthy
AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HOLY FUCK HE FELL FOR THE SHILLING

>>17252652
Yes grains are healthy. This simple oversight by most of society and especially fatties has lead to compensating through: starvation, ketosis, or other insane diet plans. When in reality to lose weight, eat more grains, the healthy way to fill up

>eat oats for breakfast
>feel kind of full
>1 hour later
>feel shaky and desperately hungry
or
>eat nothing for breakfast
>stomach growls a bit
>feel pretty much nothing until lunch

why does my body feel like I overloaded on caffeine after eating oats but when I skip breakfast or even eat things like eggs/bacon I don't feel much.

why did they close the insane asylums?

>>17252667
Because you added sugar?
Try oat (not the packaged type with chemicals added), salt, cinnamon, and once it cools add honey on the spoon as you eat it.
You will not get shaky.
You will not feel hungrier.

>>17252662
Oh my god you're serious
Zoomers are this retarded.
You latched onto whatever CUH-RAZAY idea you could think of because you feed off of the (You)s of people calling you stupid, and you justify it by "having a totally whacky and unique opinion!"
lmaooooo
enjoy the (you)
pitiful fatfuck

>>17252667
Doing experiments on yourself usually doesn't produce very useful results, especially in the case you're describing where your findings are subjective feelings instead of an impartial diagnostic test.
You know what you're doing and what you're expecting. There's a reason actual research involves studies where the subjects aren't the same people as the researchers and aren't aware of what's being looked for or whether they're the experimental group vs. the control group.

>>17252690
Im not a zoomer
BMI 22
McDougalls theories are well founded and well researched. Go watch "the starch solution".
Note this anon didnt tell me his cult (i assume keto) so I cant tell you in which direction his thinking is wrong

>>17252652
>>17252690
>saying grains are good for you is a contrarian / bait opinion now
You went so far down the keto hole that no reason will ever be able to reach you again.

>>17252699
Just stop trying, now you're looking pitiful.
You poor sad little man. You're like a chinese soldier feeding on a diet of grains, trying to argue with a Mongolian warrior who feeds on milk, meat and nuts.
What am embarrassment.

>>17252678
no sugar. Literally just honey, cinnamon, vanilla yogurt and basic quick oats microwaved in water

>>17252710
McDougall actually mentioned the mongorian hoards specifically and that they were in fact grain eaters, with evidence, despite earlier nutritionists/historians wrongly assuming otherwise
Again check out the starch solution
>>17252716
Quick oats :(((((((((

>>17252652
>>17252690
Ketotards fear the satiety index

>>17252719
>A nomadic tribe that would move as often as every month to an entirely different location with their tents and animals sat around and grew grain in the open steppe fields, where there has been zero evidence of any widespread agriculture due to absolutely no mass tilling of soil
Holy COPIUM, retard.
Keep eating your (((grains))), your brain is already rotted.

>>17252719
Also consider the ((((vanilla)))) yogurt almost definitely has sugar

>>17252739
Yes they picked, milled, and cooked wild grains. I never said they grew them. And yes there's evidence

>>17252673
Reagan thought they were commie bullshit, along with a bit of spiting Carter.

>>17252750

>Dr Mcdougall
>dozens of books, newsletter, lecture tours
>go watch this video, it's an hour long
>this is gonna be some cult shit, isn't it
>dig into the website
Holy fucking shit dude. THREE THOUSAND bucks for a twelve day series of zoom calls.

>>17252820
When youre good at helping people lose weight you can charge i guess
But anon, I'm here telling you all his important points for free
And like I said im not actually a McDougaller, I believe in a hybrid diet that does include meat, but that said he's a genius mastermind when it comes to talking about the positiveness of grains on healthy and cutting table sugar

>>17252837

Not just the sugar. Fat and salt are also addictive.

>>17251594
Fatties mad, but OP is right

>>17251664
this is /ck/
base level intelligence here includes knowing that ending in -ose makes it a sugar

>>17251585
>t. anti-sugar shill
i believe your hoc-us, poc-us

>>17251664
>never gain weight
i trust you completely

>>17252837
Are you sure you're not a Certified Starch Solution Pro(tm)?

>>17251594
Why are you putting meat in your porridge? All you need is a bit of salt.

>>17252534
look I did the math at the time and it came to almost 2500 calories. that part I do remember.

>>17254662
Half a pint of pure lard is less than 2000 calories. I think you might just not be so hot at math.