/ck/ - Food & Cooking

They're usually taken from fda guidelines

>>17232567
Welcome to the new double plus good internet. Zoomers will never experience the real thing.

>>17232567
I don't even look at dates anymore. I use my nose, eyes and brain and you and everyone else should do the same. That would cut so much on wastage.

>>17232585
Why do FDA guidelines think eggs go bad in a week then? Every question I ask is some retarded shit like cheese expires instantly and cream cheese makes you gay after one second. Why are they so eager for me to waste food? What is their fucking problem?

>Hey Quora, I left some rice in the rice cooker overnight accidentally, can I still eat it or make fried rice with it or something

>Tabatha Gibbons, 47, Boomer Peaks, Idaho
>OH MY GOD. No. I am a mother to three beautiful kids and I have all the (wonderful) experience that comes with it. You will LE HECKIN DIE if you eat rice more than 4 hours old. Also refrigerate your ketchup.

>>17232593
>What is their fucking problem?
They are almost certainly accounting for people who are not you but are also a part of the demographic they at least nominally advise for.
AKA the kind of people who might actually avoid food poisoning by following their guidelines instead of going by their gut instinct of whether something is still good.

Basically everything I see on https://www.fda.gov/food/buy-store-serve-safe-food/what-you-need-know-about-egg-safety seems to assume that the eggs in a worst case scenario of buying, handling, preparation, etc. in terms of age and contamination. It's not wrong as much as it is avoiding giving advice which is indefinite or open to misinterpretation.
So whenever some dingdong gives the entire cul-de-sac salmonella or whatever and the news goes to the FDA for comment they've actually got an answer for "what should they have done instead."

End of the day it's not written or directly advising you, mainly the least common denominator.

>>17232663
So I'm supposed to throw out perfectly good panko bread crumbs so some globohomo feds don't get sued. Cool.

>>17232672
>So I'm supposed to throw out perfectly good panko bread crumbs
No, that's dumb. If you know they're good you just don't take their risk-avoidant advice and keep 'em, like I do.

>>17232672
No, you're supposed to use your brain. Jesus Christ.

>>17232678
I'm being hyperbolic because I hate America

>>17232663
It's tiring that this isn't obvious. Most of the time I feel like i'm interacting with pod people who don't understand other people exist.

>>17232698
What did America ever do to you?

>>17232567
Work in a restaurant, you'll have your answers

>>17232708
It's like you didn't read your own posts

>>17232698
We all do, anon.

>>17232723
Oh sorry, that wasn't me. I was attempting to bait you into talking about the US and then be an asshole by pointing out that referring to the US as "America" is stupid on your part. If you really intended to disparage the US you wouldn't claim it is the entire continent of the Americas. If anything your clear passion for that nation is somewhat pitiable.
Either way, keep on hating friend.

>>17232736
kek okay

>>17232736
fuck off, canuck

>>17232747
I visited leafland once. Least memorable trip of my life. I'm a burger on paper, more or less.

>>17232608
Unironically if the rice cooker was off and not hotholding it is a terrible thing to eat the following day. They literally use rice to grow bacteria in labs because of how efficient it is.

>>17232751
Based. Was your dad a military Chad and your mom a typical easy yuro whore.

>>17232567
Food safety information availability is garbage.
I want info not just on when things "go bad", but also
>If you eat it when it's "bad", how intense will your illness be?
>If you eat it when it's at the threshold of being "bad", how intense will your potential illness be?
>If you do get "sick" (useless term, could mean anything), what are techniques that ease the symptoms?
>Just how sensitive to temperature is it?
>How clearly does the food indicate that it's "bad".

>>17232567
If they greatly undershoot the expiration date then there's no chance it will actually go bad and they can't be blamed in the event you hurt yourself

>>17232754
>WAOW NOT THE BACTERIA! I LOVE SCIENCE!
I regularly use twelve hour air dried jasmine to make fried rice. Blow me.

>>17232788
This is information they won't give you because "the law." Great society we live in. Can't wait for Generation Alpha to irrationally hate us for how wasteful we were

>>17232802
>they
Any dipshit could write a blog about it. No one will, though, because they'll only get "Just use your brain. Jesus Christ" as a response.

>>17232760
Nah, pops is just a workaholic. Ended up getting popped out in central europe. Bit of whiplash going from there to here when I was a kid. Suddenly I can't run around naked anymore. What a place, the US.

>>17232820
american expat children from private schools were always given a proper beating.
must explain why you've grown up to become an obvious faggot.

>>17232830
The private schools I went to, in the US, didn't give beatings. They where just negligent. Europe being queer is their own problem.
At least, that is the response I would give, but your post is pretty EOL, bitch-kun.

>>17232672
You don't HAVE to do a fucking thing, idiot. Did you read his post? The guidelines are written to protect the lowest common denominator but the FDA isn't going to send shock troopers to your house because you left eggs in your fridge longer than the guidelines say.

>>17232859
You need to up your reading comprehension, Chang

>>17232593
It seems retarded but just look at how many people can’t even boil water without fucking it up somehow, or better yet everyone who snacked on Tide pods and ran up stacks of milk crates for some dumbass challenges. The reason why the FDA spergs so hard about shit going out of date is the same reason there’s 5 different warnings on not putting bleach in your eyes or down your throat, not to mention to escape liability of even just a few thousand retards going after them for getting sick.
>>17232672
The dates are for those who cannot into thinking or smelling anon, the only place they exist as the rule of law is for stores who also pitch shit so they don’t risk a big lawsuit or lose customers from “poisoning” people.

>>17232705
And they're doing math at scale. They probably time freshness out to 3 standard deviations or something, which in a huge population of millions of people is probably reasonable.

Has no one here ever had a gallon of milk that wasn't past the expiration date but was already curdled? It happens. It's rare, but it happens. You have to put the cut off somewhere, and they decided to put the line in an extremely conservative place most of the time. I have no strong opinion on the wisdom of doing that.

The more interesting thing is the assertion of there being a conspiracy, rather than the obvious assumption that they're citing the same source for their information. Does the OP get confused when most places have the same calories per gram listed for wheat?

>>17232865
Sorry, the fact you even suggested that bread crumbs can spoil was such a stupidity overload that I had to substitute something that can actually spoil like eggs in order to have your post make sense.

>>17232608
Lol i ate 1 week old chicken with rice with mold on it. Absolutely nothing happened to me, i eat old and moldy food quite often.
I dont get why people sperg out so hard about bacteria and shit. The worst thing that happened to me was some diarrhea and ergot poisoning ( which was fun lol).

>>17232567
Consoom

>>17232892
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ujTYLV2Qo4
>eat 5 day old pasta
>die

>>17232870
Paranoia sells well. People see a pattern and assume it has something to do with their little life. Rather than realizing it's just some organization covering its own balls.
Still baffles me so many people are incapable of seeing the bigger picture and just default to their perspective being universal. And my friends wonder why i'm afraid of mob mentality.

>>17232892
>I
One sample of one person doesnt mean shit. I get food poisoning very easily and am very careful with my food.

There is also the fact that you simply got lucky. molds are not necessarily unsafe for consumption (eg. Blue cheese) and if your chicken was fresh to begin with a week in the fridge isnt the worst thing. Now try that with some shitty ass supermaket cut of chicken that stayed there a while and you wouldve been telling a different story.

So the fda assumes all mold may be dangerous and all old chicken is definitely very old. They wont get sued because you threw your old chicken too early. They will get sued because you decided to eat rotten food based on their advice

>>17232608
God I love reading quora I do it for hours
I especially like the obviously fake sexual abuse and military stories. But the real gold is the boring slice of life stories. The shit shekel hyde calls logistic stories. TIFU on plebbit is great for that too.
Was there ever a time you embarrassed yourself at work?
And its 3000 words about stubbing your toe in front of a cute girl, starting from when you woke up and what you had for breakfast.
Its so sad and insane I can read that gay shit forever

>>17232912
>eat 2 week old chili and week old pasta for dinner last night
>chili had been reheated in a big pot at least 4 times
>pasta was cooked up over a week ago for chili mac
>feel fine

Most expiration dates are a marketing conspiracy.

in this order, if one flunks throw it out
>sight
>smell
>touch (like if an avocado goes too soft)
>taste a tiny bit
The only thing this doesn't work on is pasta and rice. I don't trust that shit.

>>17233007
>>chili had been reheated in a big pot at least 4 times
Reset, kills bacteria

>>17232567
Google is shit now, it just serves the most reddit tier answer to questions.

>>17232788
You're asking for definitive answers for very vague scenarios that have room for massive amounts of variations and subjectivity. You even state that a defining element of one of your questions is a useless term.

>>17232792
This used to be common practice in chinese restaurants until the bacteria levels were discovered doing such things.

But okay keep being cool and edgy with your unsafe food dude.
You get the same results spread on a plate in the fridge overnight.

>>17232567
If you don't say stupid low times you'll get retards after you that stored their eggs in a hot trashcan full of rotten food and compromised shells saying they got sick wtf imma sue.
Why do you think wrappers say "do not eat" in america?

Litigation culture.
Food manufacturers are paranoid about getting sued by idiots who makes themselves sick by eating spoiled food so they underestimate the use by dates.

>>17232567
>conspiracy
No, just lazyness and copying others. Half of the articles you'll read online are literally lifted from another source because it's easier and cheaper to plagiarize and just cite the source

Food science is notoriously terrible all around.

>>17232593
their problem is that stupid consumers might store their food in worst way possible, get sick and complain that FDA said it was fine. and no one tells you to waste food at expiration date
personally i don't really eat food with expired date unless it's canned or dry, but I don't waste either because I eat it before it expires

>>17232567
Help me understand what you mean by fresh

Fresh to me is picked/prepared today

>>17233007
How is it a conspiracy? After x amount of days of decay you start to produce y bacteria. y bacteria has a chance of making you sick, see a chance not a guarantee. This is like me telling you seat belts are pointless because I backed into a fire hydrant and didn't go flying out of the windshield.

brain dead

Googling the answer to any question these days will give you mostly spam articles written by bots that just scrape some surface level information from wikipedia and similar sources. That's why most of the results say the same thing, often in the exact same words. There is no human involvement in making these articles.

Google actively pushes these results to the top while burying human-created content (small niche websites, blogs, forums). The purpose of this is to kill off small creators, and the free internet in general.

>>17232878
Google it. I swear to God, google will say under a year. You are going to be floored by the retarded rationalizations they give for stale breadcrumbs being inedible.

Pic related showed me you can eat food way past use by date. I go by smell/look test, if it passes I eat it. I've eaten food weeks past date and it's been fine.

>>17234223
How much old, stale and moldy food have you had that tasted better than it fresh?

You can eat whatever you want, some guy ate a fucking airplane. Its not going to make it not disgusting to the majority of people.

>>17232567
>how long does something stay fresh
that is a very vague question though.
depends on temperature, moisture, exposure to contaminants, oxygen levels, pressure, ...
how long does an ice cube stay frozen?
there is science for that, but the answers you're reading assume you're a basic retard.

>>17233151
1 trillion chingy chingy chingching chingchingchong Chinamen can't be wong, I mean, wrong
>gong sounds

>>17232870
You know, a conspiracy doesn't have to be nefarious, right? It implies collusion, which anyone complying with and citing an FDA guideline based on some legal or civil mandate would be tacitly participating in

>>17232912
>fails smell test
>swarthy inner city gentlemen eats it anyway
>roommate swears it wasn't intentional
kek

>>17232567
>the answer is always a ridiculously low amount of time
Because they don't want to get sued when they say your tendies can last a month in the fridge and you end up getting sick.

>>17232593
its because the vast majority of people have no common sense. they cant be trusted to judge if food has gone bad using their senses so FDA just overshoots it to account for retards

>>17232912
One time I was marinating stripped raw beef in my fridge to make fajitas with and my roommate swept through that day and ate the entire bag of it, about a pound, without knowing it was even raw. I asked him WHERE'S THE BEEF? He told me he'd buy some more but complained that it had been really chewy. Some people are just super retards.

>>17234195
More like search engine optimization literally makes search pay2play regardless of whether Google enables or tries to repel it because "fuck you look at my page I will pay someone to crack the code for me and keep it updated."

DDG and Yandex are only better in certain categories because there isn't nearly the money in targetting them.
But use whatever works best for you.

>>17234223
You will die of botulism doing that

>>17234519
Maybe not die, but it's worth remembering that Steve claims to have been hospitalized for botulism at least 3 times.

>>17234223
This. Look, smell and give it a small taste if applicable. This shit never fails unless you sense are fucked from the start.
Not to mention simply cutting off the bad parts unless it's on something where the mold can penetrate deeper than normal.

>>17234549
>>17234527

for the most part its easy to tell.
meat will smell terrible, be slimy, off color.
fruits/vegetables will mold/rot, get slimy.
idk about mushrooms/fungus.
idk about dairy either. i have drank milk past its date i smell to see if its sour.
dried goods will either mold or go stale.

>Go on a date
>Get in the bedroom
>Do a see/smell/taste test
>She fails it
>Start turning her around for a use by date
>Realize the words I thought in my head like it was thought through a proxy and start laughing out loud
>Cover it up with some bs when her forehead got too many wrinkles between two worried eyes

>>17234636
There is something very off about this post. I can't articulate what it is, but something ain't right here.

>>17234636
Women expire earlier than advertised if anything

>>17234636
shes a high mileage slut with no user serviceable parts

>>17234742
Let me check under her (clitoral) hood and I'll see what I can do

One time I ate slice of bread and tasted mold so I toasted it and it tasted fine afterward. Just blast anything with heat and you'll be 100% ok

I regularily eat rice and chicken that has been left out for over 30 hours. Never had a single issue. Get stronger gut bacteria.

I remember being terrified about meat in the fridge because whenever you saw info on the internet they'd say it lasts 3-4 days max and if it has a smell you should throw it away but I eat smelly meat all the time and meat that's been in the fridge for far longer and I've been fine
Nothing wrong with meat that smells, maybe Americans just have weak stomachs

>google why there are voices in my walls
>every answer is referrals to mental health hotlines and saying they are not actually real
>can clearly fucking hear them
is this what gaslighting is?

>>17232705
>don't understand other people exist
Maybe I just hate other people and would rather see them killed than be mildly inconvenienced. I oppose all guidelines, programs, trends and infrastructure designed to benefit other people at my inconvenience. For example, if I had the choice, I would kill all humans who are afraid to eat rare steak. That way steaks everywhere would be cooked correctly more often. I would also love to see everyone with a disability plackard on their car dropped into a big meat grinder so then there wouldn't have to be handicap-only parking spots anymore. And I wish all the obese, elderly, and immunocompromised would get covid and die already so I don't have to face any more restrictions and I could stop hearing everyone whine about it.

>>17232590
This. You have senses for a reason. If you're unsure, cook it to shit and eat it anyway. If you die, you weren't meant to be here.

>>17232788
They can't tell you real and accurate information about any disease or danger because then you'd be able to make personal judgements about your risk tolerance, and that isn't acceptable to the government. Zoomers for example think that if they have a few beers and get behind the wheel they'll instantly become crippled and murder 5 babies of color. They're so afraid of drunk driving they actually stop each other from doing it with religious zeal. This is by design: if they knew that most people used to drive drunk a few days per week every week throughout their entire lives and most people never got hurt, most of them would realize it's a reasonable risk to take. But from the government's point of view, if the risk of death doubles from 1 in a million to 2 in a million from drunk driving, the tiny handful of extra dead would add up to millions in tax revenue they wouldn't be able to collect. Same goes for eating raw eggs and not getting a flu shot. So every mild risk needs to be exaggerated to the point of absurdity to make everyone afraid of everything.
Most people nowadays even foam at the mouth when they see someone riding a bike without a helmet, despite the fact that statistically, riding a bike with a helmet decreases your risk of injury less than driving a car with a helmet would decrease it. And that would obviously be absurd. Yet if you point out these facts to people it kicks their propaganda regurgitation circuits into overdrive. They're simply not capable of accepting it.

>>17236526
Sorry that was me. Just messing with you man.

>>17232792
kek

>>17234549
reminder that what you see is merely the fruit of the mold. It has penetrated where you can't see (but for the most part, the molds themselves aren't toxic).

>>17232788
>If you eat it when it's "bad", how intense will your illness be?
Anything from "you'll throw up in a few hours and be fine afterwards" to "life-threatening"

I blew someone's mind by explaining that you can test an egg by seeing if it sinks in a glass of water.

>>17236541
Be the change you want to see, pussy.

>>17234223
>a man who has been the hospital for botulism multiple times taught me eating expired food is a-ok

>>17233042
>>17236556

you don't only get sick from bacteria itself growing on food, bacteria produce toxins that are heat stable and won't "die", making reheating spoiled food useless in terms of sterilizing it

>>17232997
Quora is ridiculous, I saw a thing on there where some mom was asking if she should be concerned that her kid liked to sleep in the closet. All the top answers said stuff like "your husband or boyfriend is sexually abusing her you need to get him out of the house asap" or stuff like "sounds like poltergeist activity I used to have to hide from ghosts constantly as a kid" I was the only person to point out anxious kids like to be in enclosed spaces and make little dens for themselves shes probably just having nightmares

>>17232736
That guy's to get out there to feed the animals, fix some fencing, inoculate the new chickens, as well as fix the tractor while he still has sunlight, he doesn't have time to screw around with scissor-less spaghetti.

>>17239689
Sounds like my wife's question. The sexual "abuse" answers were correct, except it wasn't abuse it was an expression of love.

>>17239814
Kek