/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>17230897
Nah fuck it, vegetarian is good enough for me.

>>17230907
thats good too

>>17230897
you god damn motherfucking shill, i would choke your pencil neck like a chicken

>>17230931
>*dies of heart attack while seething because of blocked arteries clogged with saturated fat*

>>17230897
Vegan diet causes brain damage over long term due to system wide multiple nutrient deficiencies. Even Gandhi tried to attempt veganism and had to admit failure. There is not a single traditional diet in the world that is entirely vegan. Let that sink in.

Face it, vegans are vegans only to virtue signal, to feel superior and to carry a label that feels exclusive. Unless you truly have some seriously rare dietary restrictions, eggs and dairy are not cruel at all when sourced responsibly and shipping your lentils and quinoa halfway across the globe on oil hungry cargo ships isn't helping the environment. You'd think vegan food would be affordable because it'bles and grain, but it's often more expensive than prepared food with meat.

>>17230968
*because it's vegetables and grain

>>17230968
vegans have less deficiencies on average, less than your average ketolard

>>17230973
daily reminder this is what the vegantranny looks like
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/354561021/#q354562763

>>17230982
I'm not even going to click that link because you're a fat faggot

>>17230973
Wow that brain damage is already kicking in hard. Don't forget to take your B12, zinc, vitamin D, Omega 3s (ALA doesn't count) and iron supplements

>>17230968
The Jains would like a word

>>17230991
and calcium

>>17230996
"The Jain cuisine is completely lacto-vegetarian"
Lacto as in...... Dairy? Yes, because a full vegan diet isn't healthy long term. Like I said, no fully vegan traditional diet in any culture on the globe.

I did keto and now I can't stop the hairloss, vegan thread posting, and reddit browsing

>>17230897
I didn't know cottage cheese was vegan. I'm also annoyed that vegans will affiliate with Jains but refuse to consume dairy, and eat tubers and large squash, both of which are banned from the Jain diet.

Also idk how eating a good meatless meal means you can never eat meat again. I usually only eat meat later in the day, a few times a week in summer and twice a day in winter. But I think most people should replace their processed shit junk food with whole animal and plant foods anyways, in whatever quantities they feel comfortable with.

>>17231003
You're right. I was sure they were bo dairy too

>>17230968
Why are vegans always skinny but meat eaters always fat? Its simple, people who eat vegetables are healthy. Go to india, you won't find many fat people there. People who are fat there overconsume chicken.

>>17231037

>>17230897
Indians are vegetarian and that's why they're all weak, autistic manlets.

>>17231047
Thats a model for vegan shirt, not an actual vegan. She eats a burger 3 times a week and fried chicken

Are these vegan friendly?

>>17230897
Can I eat meat on a vegan diet? If not, its really not for me.

>>17231055
Nope, most Indians are meat eaters.

No thanks, I only cook traditional food

> vegan
> cuckold
> vuckan

all vegans really ARE also cuckolds

>>17231037
my mother is a vegan and she's fat, I eat meat every day and I'm skinny
If I go to india I won't find many fat people there because they're all poor and starving to death from over population

>>17230897
I'm interested in trying it if only to expand the sort of foods I cook. With my current omnivore diet I fall back on the same things a lot. I think it would be a fun challenge.

>>17231055
Its a meme that indians are vegetarian, the population is larger and there are more vegetarians due to meme religious views. The immigrants that came to the west were also from the punjab region which is more vegetarian. Theyre the ones that wear the turbannon, google sardar jokes and you will realize theyre the people in india we make fun of!

Pic related.

Ask almost any vegan how they account for the low DIAAS % in vegan diets and they won't even know what you're talking about.

>>17231888
Interesting. Do you happen to know what part of Indians who consider themselves non-vegetarian would still have predominantly vegetable based diet though? I'm thinking people who eat meat once a year, for holidays only, etc.

No, sorry.

I'm already vegan. It's pretty easy these days. ketofags in this thread so mad

>>17230897
Vegetarian is not vegan. Veganism is retarded. I could easily go vegetarian with the right cooking.

>>17230897
>go vegan
Go fuck yourself.

>>17230968
Milk requires raping cows.

>>17230935
> arteries clogged with saturated fag
Uneducated

>>17230897
Veganism leads to low energy, deficiencies, and it's just boring. I'll eat vegan dishes a few times a week, but I'll never go completely vegan.

>>17231888
>the population is larger and there are more vegetarians due to meme religious views
and heart disease is on the rise, same in china and japan. Meat is becoming more popular

Vegans did 9/11

>>17231061
Unnatural vegan is also fat, and Lizzo
and her
https://www.tiktok.com/@fatvegana/video/7048337400690380037?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1
And theres a bunch of others floating around 4chan.
You can be a fat shit on any diet.

>>17232961
wow eating 50g of sugar highly refined sugar in donuts everyday makes you fat, who would have though?

>>17230897
no

>>17230897
I' m not a faggot.

>>17232782
The current push to limit meat consumption from the Ecoluminati is so that China can have it instead.

Why are there more women in veganism than men? I find this an interesting ratio.

>>17232982
>heh no such thing as a fat vegan
>*picture of fat vegan*
>NOOOOO THATS JUST A MODEL WEARING VEGAN TSHIRT
>*video evidence of fat vegan*
>D-DOESN'T COUNT SHES NOT A REEEEEAL VEGAN!!!
You're quite good at moving goalposts

>>17233015
It should be obvious

>>17232982
A large apple has 25 grams of sugar.
Most vegans are consuming massive amounts of sugar, it doesn't matter how refined it is. It's gonna make you fat. The reason you see lots of skinny vegans is because most of them have untreated eating disorders. It is common knowledge that anorexics will adopt veganism as a way to avoid food.

>>17233011
fast food in china and burgers as well as in south korea, japan is skyrocketing. They are eating a shit ton of fried meats now. Please educate yourself on the past and then now on the present

>>17233104
A large apple also has skin and is very fibrous. Also you only eat a single apple and the volume of it is huge, Donuts or soda you can eat 100g of sugar easily. Stop eating highly refined foods, eat vegetables and vegan food.

>>17230968
but isn't it vegetarian, not vegan?

>willingly descend the food chain and ingest indigestible fibrous plant matter because you're naive and gullible and stupid
>lose your teeth
>spend 12 hours of the day shitting, eating, and preparing food (mostly shitting)
yeah nah

>>17233252
>spend 12 hours of the day shitting, eating, and preparing food
>takes like 20 minutes of prep work to cook a huge vegan meal for 6+ people

why do ketolards lie so much?

>>17233313
Because ketotards are ideologues without a religious basis.
At least vegetarians and vegans can claim that breeding creatures only for death is sadistic and psychotic, and the historical religious basis is why vegetarianism is well spread among the Hindu religion (the last remnant religion of European paganism), among schools of Catholicism, which sees meat, eggs, and dairy as needlessly gluttonous, and among seventh day Adventism.
Keto is a Jewish myth spread by the likes of Atkins. But their ideologues are convinced the truth of their fake profits.
Really, it’s best to eat a normal diet of grains, vegetables, fruits, meats, eggs, and cultured dairy (cheeses and yogurts), and free of industrial refined foods. But that’s a hard diet because you can’t just eat McDonald’s, oreos, or the other junk foods allowed by keto or vegan. Though even what I described is probably stricter than necessary.

>>17230897
As long as you don't take away/overcharge my meat or dairy, you can eat however you want.

>>17230931
>I would choke on your pencil dick you chicken
Fixed

>>17230897
It is good that chefs are able to make appetizing food without using either dairy or meat.
Still not going vegan though as I like to be healthy and have a good balanced diet. Go bang on your 100% vegan drum and cry to the old growth of the forest or whatever the fuck.

i'm trying to go vegan (or at least cook more vegan, when i go out it's a little more of a crapshoot) for 2022. I'm finding that you need to bulk up a lot of vegan dishes with something creamy is kinda necessary. I got some vegan sour cream at sprouts that makes a nice base for a creamy sauce (I eat a lot of "stuff in bowls"--veggies, beans, seitan, tofu, pickles etc. on top of a grain or with some bread.

>>17230991
>vitamin D
wot?
> Omega 3s (ALA doesn't count)
You are retarded

>>17231037
Autophagia/wasting.

>>17233422
Chilis, soups, rice dishes are the easiest. If you want an easy way to incorporate vegan dishes without a shit ton of pans to clean just get an instant pot and the complete vegan instant pot cookbook. You'll also need a good knife and big cutting board. You'll find a ton of chilis, curries, pasta dishes. You can also get paper plates to put your ingredients for cooking rather than using bowls, It's cheaper and you don't have to clean up as much after cooking.

>>17233857
Also, indians are all Skinnyfat, and clearly hormonally fucked. Don't think I'd use Indians as your go-go.

>>17232305
And reproducing requires raping women, it's just something they have to deal with.

>>17233313
>>17233351
post hands, rajeet

>>17230897
Vegetarian here. Veganism is generally insufficient for nutrient needs even if done well, but most people aren't able to do that properly. They'll say that "veganism is cheap because rice and beans are so cheap!!!", but in actuality in order to stay even somewhat close to healthy you have to buy a bunch of supplements and that racks up the bill. Most vegans have diets made up almost entirely of carbs, or the "healthy" ones that eat only vegetables and waste away. Even then, a lot plant-based sources of necessary vitamins like A and Calcium aren't readily bioavailable and is near impossible for your body to process and turn into useful nutrients. Eggs and dairy, if done in moderation alongside plant protein like beans or tofu, vegetable (and something like a multivitamin and maybe D3), should be enough to keep you healthy and not wasting away like a lot of vegans. Figure out your nutritional needs and how to not die before considering ethics of food consumption

>>17233880
I can vouch for the vegan instant pot cookbook, it has helped me go from "PBJ for dinner" to actually decent cook in the past year.

>>17233184
>stop eating highly refined foods
I don't.
How about I eat fruits and vegetables, don't eat refined foods, and then also consume dairy, eggs, and meat? Keep in mind I think veganism, keto, carnivore diet, or whatever is all equally retarded. The best way to have a healthy relationship with food is... Well... To have a healthy relationship with your food. And that starts by having a relationship in the first place. Grow your own food, raise livestock, hunt, forage. Duh.
Why don't you just eat whatever you want and stop sperging out about what other people eat?

>>17233914
>you have to buy a bunch of supplements
Literally just B12 and *maybe* D in the winter.

I don't disagree with your general argument that being healthy takes precedence over ethics, and I also agree that there are certainly examples of unhealthy vegans who have high visibility because of social media cancer. That being said, you can absolute get vitamin A in adequate amounts from squash vegetables and carrots; plant milks are fortified with calcium (just as cow's milk is) or better yet you can find it in leafy greens and broccoli, which will have better absorption. The diet you are describing is certainly well thought-out and healthy, as can be an entirely vegan diet. Then again, that should be a prerequisite for a diet regardless of ethics.

>>17230935
ah yes the reason boomers live so long must be because of their vegan diets.
>>17230897
kill yourself.

>>17233914

>>17230897
i enjoy vegetables but literally everytime one of these threads pops up i get an unsatiable urge to feast on flesh.

>>17232858
Based

>>17231037
>Go to india, you won't find many fat people there.
lmao you've obviously never been to india they're fat as fuck

>>17233914
Vegan 6+ years here. You are wrong. B12 is all I need. Even my doctor is amazed of how good my blood tests are. But yes, no shit, it is a good Idea to have more variety than just fucking Beans and rice.

>>17235219
I mean, he's not wrong.

>>17236838
>harm reduction doesn't matter if it's not supporting my ideology
it is wrong

>>17236834
even your doctor is amazed at how much semen one man can slurp

>>17230897
Indians aren't vegan. They are vegetarian, incorporating plenty of animal products in their diet in the form of yogurt, ghee, and paneer. Get fucked.

>>17236994
What's the deal with militant anti-vegans' obsession with homosexuality? I fail to see the connection between abstaining from animal products and liking people of the same sex.
Sounds like you are terrified of finding that you like dick or something.

>>17233880
>>17233919

>>17233422 here. i'm actually a pretty good cook. Honestly between my weekly farm share and seitan/tofu/grains/beans/sourdough, plus no cow bars + nuts i'm actually pretty set. My problem is actually that I like cooking as a hobby and i know i'm gonna get bored unless I have some "projects"

>>17231017
Based moderate voice

>>17238367

>>17238587
Your point being...?

>>17238614
meat is delicious and no amount of virtue signaling will change that fact.

>>17238587
Halal slaughter should be banned.

>>17238631
so should pesticides and gmos. but did i ask?

No you didn't. But good that we agree halal slaughter should be banned.

>>17238650
it's illegal in many countries to kill an animal on your own and put a bullet through their skull. blame the government.

>>17235215
>ah yes the reason boomers live so long must be because of their vegan diets.
boomers in the west are dropping dead below 70, wtf are you talking about fag?

>>17238704
ah yes surely this is because of veganism.

>>17238704
>>17238742
surely

>>17238704
>>17238742
>>17238746
dang, dat covid really done sum to the life expectancy chart, probably it's the fault of meat however.

>>17238746
the entire town of loma linda is what is keeping the US above average kek

>>17238770
the american prairies were literally built for cattle farming but you already ruined the ecosystem when you started farming vegetables. vegans do it again before their time has even come.

>>17238755
wtf happened in turkey in 2012

>>17230968
Just take B12, B complex, Iron, and zinc supplements once in a while. Maybe omega 3 too.

>>17238940
or you know just eat some fish or eggs once in a while...

Honestly, going vegan was the best choice I ever made.

>>17236834
can sorta confirm the blood test thing. ive been vegan for 1.5 years before i got my last physical and he praised me for the blood test results. i dont even take a multivitamin or anything.

>>17236888
don't depersonalize the vegan just because he's pathological and deranged.

>>17238886
change of definition, probably.

No.

>>17238746
>HMMMMM HOW COULD THE US, THE COUNTRY WITH THE MOST HOMICIDES IN THE WESTERN WORLD, THE MOST MASS SHOOTINGS AND SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, WITH INFERIOR MEDICAL CARE AND MUCH WORSE WORKING WEEKS AND MUCH HIGHER LEVELS OF DEPRESSION TRAIL BEHIND THE REST OF THE WORLD IN LIFE EXPECTANCY
>MUST BE BECAUSE WE AREN'T VEGAN

I'd tell you to kill yourself, but chances are you're gonna catch a stray bullet anyway.

>>17232782
Probably has more to do with the cheap industrial oils used in those countrys' cooking supplies since around 20-30 years ago. Chinksects and poos eat a ton of fried food.

>>17239164
Not that guy, but your argument is really weak. School shootings won't even register on US life expectancy, nor will most of the other shit you mention.

>>17238742
>>17238746
all because of processed seed oils, just look at china too.

what is the average carb/starch to actual stereotypical 'vegan' green-type food of vegans?
like we're not fucking rabbits so obviously they can't be eating fruit and veg all day
as an omnivore I reckon I eat 20% carbs, 30% meat and 50% veg/fruit
>not factoring in milk and dairy or whatever category shit like tea/coffee/beer fall under

>>17239177
>overworking, overstressing, and poor medical care for most of the population won't show up in life expectancy
>but veganism rates will!

Are you suggesting Australia is higher in life expectancy compared to the USA because Australia has so many vegans?

>>17239250
The fuck is wrong with this nigger. I don't think veganism has any impact on life expectancy, but the idea that the US has comparatively low life expectancy because of school shootings and not enough holidays is retarded.

>>17239250
not him, but i'll suggest it's because the USA is full of obese brownies

>>17239277
>and not enough holidays is retarded.
https://www.who.int/news/item/17-05-2021-long-working-hours-increasing-deaths-from-heart-disease-and-stroke-who-ilo
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/karoshi-japan-overwork-culture

Get the fuck out of here CEshlomO.

>>17239307
Got any evidence that this shows up in life expectancy?

do whatever you like.
veganism is nice. I love ethnic recipes based on beans etc.
another positive of veganism is toilet time. it's never such a disgust as when pooping after eating meat.

>>17230897

I'm a part time vegetarian. Good enough for me and I get to enjoy the best of both worlds.

>>17238587
Based

>>17232858
Based

>>17230897
>Go vegan, /ck/.
NO

>>17239327
>it's never such a disgust as when pooping after eating meat.
What do you mean? I eat plenty of meat and my poop is fine.

>>17239282
All races are majority overweight in the US except Asians.

>>17239697
is 60% of the population being obese or extremely obese more than 43% of the population being obese or extremely obese?

>>17239709
obesity is a red herring. the Chinese are just as diabetic as the US with much less obesity
>The estimated prevalence of diabetes increased from 10.9% (95% CI, 10.4%-11.5%) in 2013 to 12.4% (95% CI, 11.8%-13.0%) in 2018 (P<.001). The estimated prevalence of prediabetes was 35.7% (95% CI, 34.2%-37.3%) in 2013 and 38.1% (95% CI, 36.4%-39.7%) in 2018 (P=.07).
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2787545

>>17239723
have you ever seen a "cooking in china" video anywhere online?
every single recipe involves a lot of vegetable oil of some kind, just like processed foods here in the US.
i wonder -as a rhetorical device- if this has anything to do with it.

>>17230897
No.
>>17230907
Maybe.
>>17230931
Based.

>>17232982
Exactly, should've gotten the organic coconut sugar for $6.50/lb instead.

>>17239108
No. Eggs are disgusting.

>>17239845
Or just don't eat highly refined sugar, and if you do only have table sugar in your oatmeal a couple times a week if you even eat breakfast

Can anyone Redhpill me on raw vegetable veganism? I started recently eating whole lemons peel and all.

>>17230897
hpw about i limit myself to only eating only a docen kinds of animal?

>>17239327
>ethic recipes
you mean when poor migrant workers get exploited for cheap labour to pick your avocados?
>>17239327
>another positive is toilet time
you mean when your farts stink like death itself?

>>17238587

>>17240317
How about you do that but cut out chicken, pigs, and cows, okay? That'd be a good start.

>>17230897
No

>>17240345
Try it for a few weeks? Then you can decide if it's for you.