/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>17136880
You are a weak faggot.

Low iron maybe? Try including quinoa or something like that in your diet

>>17136880
you're going anemic
are you eating cereal?

>>17136880
Every time I want a false sense of superiority I go onto an anonymous cooking board and complain about vegans/vegetarians and totally own them by eating the shittiest, bottom-barrel, american-raised, GMO grain-fed, hormone-pumped meat, gets them every time

no Fe, have some legumes

>>17136880
that's how vegetarians feel all the time. vegans are basically brain damaged.

>>17137823
Meanwhile, actual scientific research seems to hint otherwise. Vegans have a higher IQ, higher testosterone in men, and lower cancer and heart disease rates.

>>17137869
>actual scientific research seems to hint
LOL

>>17136880
you're allergic to vegetaria
many such cases, but you're not alone anon
there are support groups meeting in your area regularly

>>17136880
Maybe not eating enough or eating crap vegan food.

>>17137869
>frail gray hands typed this

>>17137889
As opposed to making shit up like you have.

>>17137900
go on show your vox.com studies

>>17137900
have you ever talked to a vegan? the worst are fruitatarians, their brains are terminally fucked up

>>17137909
Have you talked to 70% of americans? Those 70% are all obese or overweight and dumb as shit. Most are trump voters, no doubt

>>17137913
>70% of americans
>Most are trump voters
So you're admitting the election was rigged and that anything you read in the news cannot be trusted

>>17136880
It's the complex of superiority entering your body. It takes some time, but it will end exactly when you pronunciate your very first "I'm vegan!"

>>17137913
what the fuck are you talking about? i feel like i'm talking to a vegan here. they have a really hard time keeping up a conversation and staying on topic.

>>17137761
Yeah I eat a lot of cereal. Whats wrong with cereal? Cereal is made from vegetables.

>>17138022
I think you need more oxygen.

>>17138276
I think he's already stealing too much oxygen from the rest of us.

>>17138022
cereal is great, especially if you're eating it with whole milk, 2 cups at least

>>17137869
*proves, not hints

>>17136880
no. but i also know this never happened.

>>17137869
Well science has really gone down hill.

>>17140254
>numbers go against what I believe so it's the numbers that are wrong

>>17137926
what the fuck are YOU talking about? you're just looking for excuses to unfairly disparage a group of people just like he was broad brushing your type.

>>17136880
I try go veg between 11 pm and 6 am, usually works.

>>17138726
Nobody's stealing oxygen from you. It's just your obesity making it hard for you to breathe properly.

>>17140292
it's a fact that not eating meat makes you retarded and insane.

>>17137743
>>17137799
It takes longer than a week for you to become deficient in iron. OP is probably just not eating enough, and eating mostly carbs, which will make most people feel crappy.

That's why a lot of vegetarian food includes eggs or dairy because plants aren't a great source of protein. And I think most people who go vegetarian at first don't realize they're consuming a lot less fat than they need, although there are some good plant sources for that like nuts, seeds, avocado, coconut, etc.

>>17137869
My vegan aunt and her husband both died in their early 60s. They both looked deathly ill starting in their 40s. There is absolutely no way veganism can provide proper nutrition even with supplements.

>>17137869
>Vegans have...higher testosterone in men
Vegans had higher levels of total testosterone, not usable testosterone, because their bodies also had more SHBG which blocks testosterone from being used. SHBG is normally found at higher levels in women and children. I don't know if that really made any difference since it seemed like their bodies compensated for it. You're never going to convince a random regular guy that veganism makes him manlier though. It just seems like you're overcompensating because you know veganism has flaws too in that it's not really nutritionally complete.

>>17136880
take B12 supplements and, if your diet isn't great, iron as well

>>17140490
Nope, even when it comes to free testosterone, vegans get the edge.
You seem to be under the impression that I care about convincing dumb fatties who think gorging on bacon makes them manly lol. Not my problem.

>>17140532
Being obese is associated with a decline in testosterone so vegans will get the advanage in that area since they're generally thinner, but I don't see how they could when compared to an ideal omnivore diet. You literally can't survive as a vegan without supplements. You can be healthier than the average person since the average person eats a lot of junk food and is overweight, but that doesn't mean veganism is ideal. And I'm sure someone will talk about how animals are given supplements too but that's only because they're being fed corn and soy instead of whatever their natural diet is.

>>17136880
Are you a woman? Iron deficiency
Are you a man? Then you're a liar

>>17140548
BMI was adjusted for. You don't need to make shit up in every post.

>>17140573
>consider that BMI was adjusted for but not SHBG to show that testosterone levels were about the same
alright

>>17140574
As I already explained, even their free testosterone is higher.
https://torako.wakarimasen.moe/file/torako/ck/image/1630/69/1630692559965.png

>>17140581
It's interesting that a nutritionally incomplete diet could have that effect. I wonder if it could be from the nutritional profile of grain-fed meat being different from when an animal is on its natural diet. I know there's been some discussion about chickens and pork having different kinds of fat compared to ruminants when fed grains. I'd still be concerned about SHBG being a lot higher on the vegan diet which could have more effects than just on testosterone levels. I think it's also probably not a good idea to completely trust a single study on something this complicated and assume that every single factor has been accounted for.

>>17140581
>https://torako.wakarimasen.moe/file/torako/ck/image/1630/69/1630692559965.png
nvm the fact that they are on average 6 years younger in this study and T is said to decline by 0.1 per year you fucking retard

>>17140774
>All mean hormone concentrations are adjusted for age, smoking
>status, vigorous exercise, time of day of venipuncture, time since
>last eaten at venipuncture and time between venipuncture and
>blood processing. Mean hormone concentrations are presented
>with and without adjustment for BMI (Table 2). Vegan men had on
>average 9% lower IGF-I levels than meat-eaters (P < 0.01) and 8%
>lower levels than vegetarians (P < 0.01); adjustment for BMI made
>little difference to these values. Prior to adjustment for BMI,
>SHBG levels in vegans were 16% higher than in meat-eaters (P <
>0.0001), and 12% higher than in vegetarians (P = 0.0008); adjust-
>ment for BMI reduced these differences to 6% (P = 0.02) and 10%
>(P = 0.004), respectively. Vegans had 13% higher T concentration
>than meat-eaters (P = 0.0001) and 8% higher than vegetarians (P =
>0.001); adjustment for BMI reduced these differences to 6% (P =
>0.07) and 7% (P = 0.02), respectively. Since an increase in SHBG
>generally causes an increase in total T, we examined differences in
>mean T concentration after additionally adjusting for SHBG. This
>adjustment substantially reduced the difference in T between the three diet groups (adjusted means were 20.3, 20.5 and
>21.2 nmol/l in meat-eaters, vegetarians and vegans respectively,
>test for heterogeneity; P = 0.312). There were no significant differ-
>ences in calculated FT, A-diol-g or LH between dietary groups.
>There were substantial differences in plasma total cholesterol, with
>vegans having 17% lower mean values than meat-eaters
>(P < 0.0001), and 10% lower values than vegetarians (P < 0.0001),
>and adjustment for BMI made little difference to these values.
They adjusted for age, you fucking idiot.

>>17136880
Great thread. Keep up the good work

>>17137869
Science says all races are the same and a man chopping his cock off makes him a woman. Science has been going downhill for decades. The few vegans I've come across are frail, unbalanced skinny retards.

I'll be banned for this post no doubt but oh well, I'll fuck this board off if that happens.

>>17140790
ah yes, vegans, the pinnacle of manliness. fucking retard.

>>17140828
Cope harder, fatass.

>>17140842
you're the assblasted vegan here proving you're all brain damaged. post your wrist limpdick.

>>17140854
Lol, the adipose blob is furious.

>>17136880
> turning in to a giant pussy

South Park covered this years ago.

>>17140857
lol no.

>>17137869
> UM ACKSHYUALLLY...

Cope faggot, have a good look at my filet mignon omelette burrito brekko and dilate.

>>17136880
Stop trying to go vegetarian you little bitch

>>17137869
If it's supposed to get rid of cancer, then why are you here?

>>17142226
Based

>>17140254
That's because it's soy-ence
Not science

>>17140298
Same,
Start the day with some meat,
Go the rest of the day without it if I can

>>17142185
Little animal murderer thinks he's a tough guy, coward.

>>17136880
Went vegetarian for about 4 months. Decided to try eating meat again, and I literally cannot go back to being vegetarian. I never was huge on meat in the first place but seriously, I eat more meat now than I did before.
I'm happy it works for some people but I can't see myself going back.

>>17140790
I adjusted for you being a faggot

Lol, I love how the carnist retards have repeatedly lied and have gotten called out on their bullshit with empirical data each time so now they are foaming at their mouth and acting manly over eating meat.

>>17137869
>Imagine being this retarded
Every time a vegan posts on this board I go outside and kill a squirrel. Not to eat, but to make sure an animal suffers the same as I do dealing with you faggots.

>>17142242
Everyone murders animals. Everyone.

Ay yo u play guild wars 2?

>>17142242
Do you avoid brushing your teeth and using soap when you shower? You know you're killing billions of bacteria when you do that? What about the the ones who live on the plants you cook? Is there life any less valuable than a sheep's or a dog's?

Salt the veggies

How do vegans feel about abortion and the death penalty?

>>17143638
Most vegans are pro killing humans, especially humans who don't share their beliefs

>>17144057
Your evidence is a 4chan frogpost, anon.