/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>it's pretty much undisputed that they make the tastiest most beloved foods in the world to the point that it defines civilized cuisine.
You're pretty much putting yourself in a position to be shot down here. Of course Italian cuisine is among the Top 3 (the others of course being France and China), but you can't really put any of those 3 above the others, as you can put those 3 above all others.
>The question is why and how?
They are really passionate about food.

>>16942483
Italians a filthy criminals and thieves.
Trst je naš.
Fuck Italians.

>>16942531
>top 3 cuisines
Berber, Slovak, Dixie

>>16942483
>tastiest most beloved foods in the world
pasta and red sauce.
woo.

>>16942483
>The question is why and how?
Culture of fresh ingredients: no need to destroy and overprocess food to make sure it lasts you through winter.
Geographical diversity: they basically have all euro biomes available to them and they incorporate all possible ingredients and techniques in their cuisine because of it.
Incidentally you could make the same argument for french and chinese cuisine, the other two likely contenders for the top spot.

>>16942483
>it's pretty much undisputed that they make the tastiest most beloved foods in the world to the point that it defines civilized cuisine.
no, it is disputed. if your knowledge of food doesn't go beyond pizza and pasta, it's your problem.
>The question is why and how?
good enough climate to grow fruits and vegetables before XXth century. being white.

>>16942561
>white

>>16942483
>it's pretty much undisputed
Nigger get real. People would dispute what your name actually is while you flap your id card at them, nevermind something 100% subjective and engendering extreme tribalism like who has the best cuisine.
You see fucking brits of all people shilling their shite all the time in this very board and you actually believe a frog or a bugman would ever acknowledge any cuisine but their own as the world's best?

>>16942577
It's not disputed that italians are scum, though.

>>16942483
>Italians
>Put flour and water together
>The world
>OMG best food eva

>>16942588
>Trst je naš.
>Trst chose filthy criminals and thieves over you
What does that make you I wonder?

>>16942483
>The question is why and how?
Americans love italian cuisine, so the world does too.

>>16942629
>trst chose
Pathetic Italian lies. Trst was given to the Italians after WWII because the fucking allies thought the literal nazis were preferable to the spooky scary socialists of yugoslavia. Despite the yugoslavs mounting the strongest resistance to the fascists, the western allies figured HMMMM well, they may be fucking nazis but at least they're capitalists, so we should be best buds with the italians.

>>16942666
Your point satan?

>>16942676
I have a policy of refusing to explain things to people with sub-80 iq, unfortunately.

>>16942691
What's your pronoun? I know you go by a weird one.

>>16942531
>but you can't really put any of those 3 above the others

objectively untrue. Italian food is most loved by all metrics. pizza alone is the most popular fast food in the world

>>16942701
seethe more

>>16942666
>Pathetic Italian lies.
Whatever makes you sleep at night, fag.
Fucking slavs spent all the post war period trying to escape from commie shitholes like yours but of course given the choice you actually believe italians would have preferred to be ruled over by serbs like you bitches rather than be part of the free world.
Delusional doesn't even begin to describe you.

>>16942707
>philippine cuisine under malaysian, and indonesian
Maybe it's the perception of poverty they project, but imo philippines have some bangers.

>>16942712
Dial 8, and then do what comes naturally to your kind statstically, so nobody has to read any more of your posts.

>>16942714
Right, yugoslavia rising to be a third superpower with ambitions to rival the US and USSR until both conspired to shut it down, while Italy festered in its own reeking shit. Yea I wonder who was worse off. Brainlets can fuck right off, you know nothing about history as you clearly demonstrated in your retarded post implying italians owned and lived in trst, and not that the fascists violently occupied it. goddamn retards man there's too many of them in the world.

>>16942735
S E E T H E

I don't know how to say seethe in italian unfortunately. so vafanculo puttana

>>16942756
>autistic reddit howling
Ywnbarw

>>16942762
>muh reddit
i'd rather be a redditor than a fucking italian

i like italians and their cuisine. its very good full of interesting ingredients and dishes, yet elegantly simple. i ve learned a lot

>>16942531
"China is one of the best cuisines"
>what is gutter oil
>what is yin yang fish
>what are piss boiled eggs
>what is thousand-years-old eggs
>what is balut
>what is bird's nest soup
>what is sheep penis
>what is chicken testicles
>what is snake soup
>what is bat soup
Kill yourself, Chang.

>>16942736
>yugoslavia rising to be a third superpower with ambitions to rival the US and USSR
Pathetic zoomer.
You wouldn't have the balls to say that to your parents, you know they'd spit in your face for disrespecting what they suffered through under serbian communism.

>>16942765
I'm not itallian, and you'll never be a real woman.

>>16942770
wasnt tito a croat? but who cares, they definetly have freat cuisine

>>16942707
You're a total retard with no knowledge if you actually believe that. Posting some yougov shit and talking about objective truth proves that without doubt. There's much more to the picture.

Most people (in the west) recognize Italian cuisine easier, because it's more distinct from their own cuisine. French cuisine has been so influential that it's ubiquitous in all western cuisines, in similar ways that Chinese was in the east. In this context it could be easy to leave out Italy. But I don't do that because I'm not some reductionist retard like you.

>>16942770
once again, my policy is not to waste my time explaining shit to mentally handicapped people.

>>16942767
Not a Chang, retard.

And of course it is. Just like French cuisine, it has regional cuisine with lots of variety, a "haute cuisine", and had lasting influence on other cuisines in whole Asia.

lets not forget the great italian wine. i myself prefer french since i am merlot nigger but from northern adige to sicily its one staple next to another.

>>16942780
half croatian half slovenian i think
>>16942779
I don't know what mental help programs can help you with your dangerous levels of seething but you should seek them out regardless

>>16942792
Anon you're the mentally ill tranny in this scenario.
Pls do the needful.

>>16942804
Communism doesn't work, and you don't belong on a food board.

>>16942804
>half croatian half slovenian i think
i thought so, calling it serbian communism is unreasonable

>>16942797
Sorry Ching. Also, I can post a whole fucking wall of text of some of your most disgusting and/or cruel dishes, whereas for most other parts of the world I would have maybe four or five at most. I do like a lot of the more normal stuff you put out, but "top 3 of the best cuisine"? Give me a fucking break, Ching.

>>16942816
i bet spider wine is kino. i would so love to taste it

>>16942483
The real question is, why did you not post a map of france.

>>16942781
ask the average westerner and he eats way more Italian inspired dishes than French ones. French cuisine has a aire of superiority and upper class that keeps it from being as popular as italian.

>>16942792
>my policy is not to waste my time explaining shit to mentally handicapped people
Hence why you keep spouting bullshit, since you object to explain shit to yourself.

>>16942808
>vomits incorrect history all over the thread
>retardedly suggests older yugoslavians don't miss the days of unification, a strong economy, and generous social policies
You're a borderline illiterate retard, you should be in some remedial special ed classes not shitposting on 4chan

>>16942827
Italians had a lot of poverty emigrants opening restaurants, that's the entire reason.

>>16942828
>Seething, the post

>>16942815
>calling it serbian communism is unreasonable
It makes croats seethe in the extreme tho, why would it be any different for slovenes?
It's not like anyone other than the tard is taking the exchange seriously.

Fuck the fuck off yugos, noone cares for your autistic conflicts.

>>16942767
>>what is gutter oil
Stopped reading there. You obviously don't care about discussing cuisines, you're here to shit up this board.
Go back to your containment board and stay there.

>>16942826
france definetly has great cuisine, but these days italian influence is stronger because it is simpler.
>>16942836
oh ok. /ck/ slovenes are cool tho. they told me about ajdovi z^gance which was qite an experience

>>16942823
You're free to drink or eat whatever you want. I myself I found frog legs particularly tasty, so I'm definitely not an average Karen condemning everything that those chinese come up with. I'm just very much against the "top 3 cuisine" argument. That's simply dumb as fuck when I can list plenty of objective counterarguments against that.

>>16942827
Nah. In my opinion french cuisine is good, but itallian cuisine seems to get even better at the source.
Maybe french cuisine schools has better schools for their foreign students, so the best french styled chefs aren't just located in France, and Italians keep a couple cooking secrets to themselves. Who knows.

>>16942844
not that anon. do you have insight into chinese cuisine?
>>16942850
while i do agree with you please ont use "karen" its an antiwhite slur

>>16942844
If you weren't so dumb you would've seen how I was seriously discussing cuisine for many posts besides that one (which still contains a lot of counterarguments against muh top 3). You're obviously too biased to realize this, though.

>>16942830
>mentally ill tranny actually believes it's screeching at a single anon
I haven't made any posts about history, or past shitholes you lunatic. Your drug induced hormone imbalance is out of control manon.

>>16942847
Ajdovi zganci and Idrijski zlikrofi are two proper slovene dishes, yea. Another great dish is strukli, which are fun to make and delicious. You cover a whole table with a sheet of dough, slather some filling on part of the dough, then roll the whole thing in cloth and boil it. cheese filling is most common. Unfortunately due to the region being repeatedly abused by filthy fascist scum it's hard to find too many dishes that are truly unique and not just variations on italian or german dishes.

>>16942877
There's two options here bud, either you're >>16942770
in which case, you're a fucking retard and completely wrong on all accounts, or you're inserting yourself in my argument with that retard which makes you, possibly, even more retarded. Take your pick, I don't really care.

>>16942879
>are truly unique
what a silly way to look at cuisine. ajdovi z^gance isnt "unique either. But thats not what its about. The tradition, customs and food expectations form the unique experience which is slovene cuisine. Only silly child could try to claim a dish purely for one region. Using fascist unironicaly prolly means you are a child anyway.

>>16942889
I'm not that anon, and this is a dynamic forum. It's your own fault that you got too emotional in thread, and can't keep up with it.

>>16942895
using "fascist" unironically when referring to the literal fascist occupation of the region seems appropriate, you absolute drooling retard. I'm shocked that you are able to fucking type semi coherent sentences on a keyboard based on how fucking stupid you apparently are. And I'm not even going to get into what a stupid fucking opinion that is on authentic / original food. Fuck off, retard.

>>16942901
Confirmed for omega retard levels. Thanks for confirming anon. Go back to playing with your blocks and colored pencils now or your carer might get upset with you.

>>16942915
>to the literal fascist occupation of the region
the one which took 20 years? yeah i am sure slovenes lost all their dishes during that time silly child.
on the uniqness of dishes. Would you say that roastbeef and fish n chips are british?

100% moors

>>16942922
not sure about their food but arabs definetly have the worst tea culture in the world. even khmers who eat the leaves are better

>>16942920
take your shitty attempt at trolling somewhere else. I've said multiple times now I don't engage with retards or people "just pretending LOL" to be retards. enjoy your final (you), retard.

>>16942929
i am sorry anon but it seems you are misunderstanding my posts because i have no idea what makes you this angry. have a nice day

>>16942916
All these delusions emanating from your postsis unreal.
No wonder you, and your history is filled with failure.

>>16942940
>The SEETHING continues

>>16942922
Why is ariana grande so fucking pleasant.

>>16942945
med genes

>>16942944
>copy pasty response
Crowdfund yourself a new personality faggot.

>>16942922
>>16942952

man body

>>16942955
you can't crowdfund your way through this amount of SEETHE anon

>>16942952
She makes me smile. She probably can cook to.

>>16942958
Can communism crowdfund you sneed without imploding on itself?

>>16942962
The SEETHE is making your posts incoherent anon

Why did they put Matera in the middle of Puglia

>>16942967
The sneed in your post is making you seek attention by mutilating your body until you eventually self inflict into the forever box.

>>16942959
i hate nordcucks

who is the autistic faggot who fucked this thread up?

>>16942980
The only thing I'm mutilating my body with is delicious, non-italian food, anon, but I'm afraid you're mutilating yourself with dangerous levels of SEETHE

>>16942765
>>16942779
get murdered

>>16942974
MARONE

>>16942992
When did you guys first realize that "ariana" grande is just an AGP amab on high dose black market cypro?

for me it was the ankles that gave it away

>>16942756
>>16942712
burn alive

>>16943002
>>16942997
Post your nose, and chin with timestamp.

>>16942827
Was this meant to answer me? Because you totally ignored my argument:

>Most people (in the west) recognize Italian cuisine easier, because it's more distinct from their own cuisine. French cuisine has been so influential that it's ubiquitous in all western cuisines

The average westerner just doesn't recognize how much influence French cuisine had, because they never think of the techniques and cooking methods they take for granted came from France.

Just think of mayonnaise, the "all-American condiment". It's heavily used in America and so ingrained in American culture that people just don't think that it has French origins when eating it (Spansih origins too, but the first recipes appeared in French cookbooks).

>>16942816
Pointing out disgusting or cruel Chinese dishes (that there's a lot of) does nothing to disprove my point.

>>16943017
kys amerimutt nobody wants you here

>>16942997
You'll be gone in a few years.

>>16943017
burn

>>16942997
kys.

>>16942997
kys

>>16943021
>dodged nose/chin stamp
>kys amerimutt nobody wants you here
Americans don't need, or ask for permisson rabbi moshe.

>>16943031
amerimutt cope

>>16943020
>The average westerner just doesn't recognize how much influence Fren
not that anon but i would argue that outside of haute cuisine most of cooking today is very simple. if we sidestep sous vide trendy meme, most people dont really make bechamel or any other traditional french invention. hell most people prolly dont even know mirepoix
Italian on the other hand with its simplicity fits very well modern lifestyle as modern woman cannot cook but you would have to be retarded to not be able to cook pasta, pizza or tomatoe sauce

>>16943002
Average Italian vs Average Slav

>>16943020
>Just think of mayonnaise, the "all-American condiment"

it's really not. a lot of americans hate mayo including me

>>16943040
how long did facists occupy slovenia?

>>16943036
You're not fooling anyone rebbe adam rageusa.

>>16943045
You can easily google this anon. The bunga bunga fascists occupied it for close to 25 years, the gas-the-jews fascists occupied it for a few years of WWII.

>>16943051
nigger.

>>16943041
Ketchup, and yellow mustard is more favorable in us. But that was before the democrats let all the shitworlders run amok. The most popular condiment will probably be the same as what the subsaharans use in Europe next time a survey is taken.

>>16943057
>posts yiddish tracking image from google
Y-you too nose-bro.

>>16943056
>gas-the-jews fascists
I only remember the national socialist types to have allgedly gassed the jews.

>>16943037
Well in such context of "no one can cook" and only makes the simplest things, then sure, such people will have an easier time to make a pasta in tomato sauce than even a simple onion soup.
>>16943041
It really is. Just because a lot of Americans hate it (what's a lot of Americans anyway? 5 millions) doesn't mean a lot more Americans love it. Just because it's trendy for younger people to hate on it as a "boomer"-food doesn't make them a majority.

>>16943071
fucking kill yourself

>>16943057
>Europe South
one drop rule m8, sorry but you're black

>>16943084
>no one can cook
dont strawmen me anon. you have to admit that with smaller families people are cooking simpler meals. how many times did your friends serve you italian and how many a french one?

>>16943080
I can't mix nicknames when i don't know who I'm talking to or what history they know.
Italian fascists under Mussolini occupied the region from the 1920s through WWII (bunga bunga facsists). The nazis (gas-the-jew fascists) occupied a giant chunk of the region in WWII and then the whole region when Italy fell apart and the nazis were forced to basically annex them. But to be clear, the Italians also had concentration and extermination camps, though they were notably less enthusiastic about it.

>>16943088
>reddit tranny flips script, and does a no u
I'm guessing you're not posting your nose, moshe?

>>16943089
dont be silly. italians are white and very pleasant to be around

>>16943104
>nazis
>fascists
Wow you're dumb. Next you'll tell me that polpot wasn't a commie.

>>16943104
>extermination camps
source?

>>16943108
Only Ariana Grande is pleasant. I will protecc.

>>16943118
go back to your containment board. final (you) you're getting from me.

>>16942483
>top 3
> french
> mexican
> chinese

They have a culinary tradition spanning 5 millennia.

They have a biodiversity comparable to tropical regions.

Their training system for future chefs is as French as can be.

Their internal rivalry is unparalleled.

The important bit: it's the women who find time to cook a healthy, fresh and tasty meal in 30 minutes or less. For 5 Euro per person or less.

>>16943126
lol you were the one to start throwig "facist" around. /ck/ and /pol/ are friends nigger

>>16943089
die of cancer faggot

>>16943126
You need to contain the angry commie who derailed thread you fucktard.

medniggers want to be white so badly. the cope is 1000x more pathetic than amerimutts. i've been to north italy and southern italy. you look nothing like french people, germans. even croats resemble white people. you're all intermixed with niggers. it's a historical fact you delusional muhammadans.

>>16943132
You're not welcome here.

>>16943089
get hanged

>>16943125
>Ariana Grande
no idea who he is, but italians really are chill. just not to tourists. like this faggot >>16943141

>>16943126
>implying a mod
Your posts gets sadder, and sadder.

>>16943124
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_concentration_camps
less enthusiastic than the nazis, still extermination camps.

>>16943089
drink bleach

>>16943149
it says concentration. link me the extermination ones

>>16943155
I'm familiar with this troll argument. Please literally kill yourself you cunt. No more (you)s for you.

>>16943141
It's not up to you, gayboy. Your downvotes have no power here.

>>16943089
kys.

>>16942483
Sorry friend, I'm sure you meant to post a map of France, but posted a map of Italy, instead.
Jannies, please stop giving me one day bans for saying that french food is better than Italian food, I'm not even using swear words or saying bad things about Italians, I'm sorry that I think that the average Frenchman can cook a thousand times better than your nonna, it's just the truth.

>>16943157
yeah you dont have a single one and even the "deadliest" has only 50% death rate. your really are pathetic faggot

and once again /pol/moolis ruin the thread

>>16943089
kys

>>16943157
Anon has a point. Concentration camps, and extermination camps are not the same.

>>16943172
it was actualy a tranny who started sperging about fascists.

>>16943150
I would really rather you post sexy med women, to make your point, rather than nude men.

>>16943180
lmao gotem

>>16943180
you already said i'm a nigger fuck off

>>16943180
your country is named after an italian by the way

i really need to look into italian meat. it seems to be big part of their cuisine yet its almost never discussed unlike pasta, pizza or vegie dishes

>>16943180
In to the horny gulag for you comrade.

>>16943205
sexual promiscuity is highly marxist. i doubt they would have a punishment for it. or is it because he craves opposite gender?

>>16943172
All Italian threads deserve to die. At least the pol tards are useful for that.

>>16943225
stay mad mutt

>>16943212
>or is it because he craves opposite gender?
Nah. Gay stuff is just tradition there, and everyone needs to be raped while in military.

>>16943227
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>>16943242
refute it faggot

>>16943227
I can't tell if you think slavic and nordic people are the same, or if you're making some joke that's too retarded for me to understand, or if you're just babbling retarded gibberish.

>>16943258
i hate everyone that isn't italian

>>16942633
This. The world loves bastardized Italian cuisine not actual Italian cuisine.

>>16943251
Picrel not your nose.
Try again rabbi esau.

>>16943261
even me?

>>16943268
post dna test, 5% mcdonalds grease mongrel

>>16943272
>post dna test
I didn't pay israel to document me shilo.

>>16943272
>pay my uncle in israel, and send 4skin
Post timestamped nose mr. shekelstein.

>>16943283
it's "shylock" you dumb /pol/ ape

>>16943293
You're stupid, moshe.
Shylocks are what you're called, and Shilo is your given name.

>>16943261
Based

>>16942483
Because they're not intellectuals.

Wherever you find good food, you won't find good writers and good scientists, and wherever you find good writers and scientists, you won't find very good food.

Italians, as Mediterraneans, are people who are governed by bodily passions, food and sex being their biggest concerns. That is also why in the Mediterranean, you find a less orderly society, more political scandals and more confusion in general.

It's all needed, though, for balance.

>>16943101
Can't see how I strawmanned you, I mostly agree with you anyway. You used the words "woman cannot cook" yourself.

>Italian on the other hand with its simplicity fits very well modern lifestyle as modern woman cannot cook but you would have to be retarded to not be able to cook pasta, pizza or tomatoe sauce
Well in other ways, Italian does not fit very well with modern lifestyle were most people buy foods in plastic from supermarkets. I would argue that some "modern woman" who "cannot cook" but are able to cook pasta, pizza or tomato sauce would make something that's very far from actual Italian cuisine.

I don't think we really disagree much though.

>>16943340
the smartest man of all time was italian

>>16943340
>Wherever you find good food, you won't find good writers and good scientists, and wherever you find good writers and scientists, you won't find very good food.
Where did you pull this "theory" out of? Your ass? One word to disprove you: France.

>>16943340
This is dumb. Ancient Rome was extremely advanced and Italy also started the Renaissance. Italians have also invented tons of modern inventions like the radio.

>>16943415
i guess i just read it wrong. i apologize anon

Is this thread still about food or /pol/ left the cage open?

>>16943201
> i really need to look into italian meat
well It depends about what you mean by meat.
Muscle meat was not really a big part of italian cuisine, probably due to poverty, so you probably gonna be disappointed. it's one of the few things italians didn't get right, we just slap the steak on the pan and call it a day

Instead we have good tradition on offals
> lampredotto (sandwich with cow stomach), Florence
> zuppa forte/soffritto napoletano (heart, lungs, trachea cooked in lard and tomatoe/bell pepper sauce) , Naples
> panino con la milza (spleen and cheese sandwich), Sicily
> trippa romana (tripe in tomato sauce)
> o per' e o' muss (foot and face streetfood) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27O_pere_e_%27o_musso
> stigghiola (lamb intestine on grill)
> nervetti (cow tendons and cartilage)
> fegato alla Veneziana (liver and onions)
> breaded fried brain

Slow cooked meat (in liquid) is part of the tradition like
> peposo
> ossobuco
> ox tails
> brasato
> ragu`

And finally cured meat (like prosciutto and bologna) which is too long to list here
Bonus: in Sicily there's a big horse meat culinary tradition

long story short: steak and grill in italy is a big no, every other things is a giant yes, if you like strong taste

>>16943340
That's really dumb and wrong. Italy is a perfect counterexample of what you wrote

>>16943438
>Is this thread still about food or /pol/ left the cage open?
When has the best cuisine debate ever been about food?

>>16943438
correct me if i am wrong doesnt the "italian menu" have a meat dis on it? somwhere after pasta?
some of the offals food look good. not gonna fall for brain though. not that i hate it but i find it pointless unlike liver tongue or stomach
the tomatoe sauce in trippa romana is standart tomatoe sauce?

>>16943418
that's not dimebag

>>16943426
italians aren't romans

>>16943513
sure they are. they are definetly their descendants

>pasta
>pizza

Thats it, italian food is baby's first cuisine.

>>16943340
retard

>>16943537
just fucking die

>>16943521
i live near italians and they look like mexicans. romans looked norwegian.

>>16943576
i dont believe you anon. you are either dnc shill or reall shitty baitfagg. but the NYC is a good bait
idk why would people hate italians or french. nice countries, nice people, good food

>>16943583
you would get fucking killed here. you don't even know what meds look like
>using the word shill
confirmed brain damaged

>>16943589
try moar

>>16943593
kys

>>16943593
kys.

>>16943595
wont work, i like germans too

>>16943140
Wait, is BF2 still active ?

>>16943456
> correct me if i am wrong doesnt the "italian menu" have a meat dis on it?
Yes, sure. I didn't mean to say there's no meat in italians menu, just that "traditionally" speaking is not something we put as much cares as we did for pretty much any other food.

That meant to say, if you ask me to choose to eat a steak between a restaurant in USA or in italian resaturant of the past I would choose the USA one without esitation (that's the only example where I would choose USA)
Looking no far from the past, we didn't know jack shit of tenderization techniques, dry aging or even maillard reaction. Italian steak were just thin slice of the leanest meat you can find.
Of course nowadays things are changing rapidly, you can find very good steaks and BBQ even in Italy, because when we like something we incorporate it in our cuisine, just like italy did throughout the history.

I mean, if you want to try something italian that is more hard to find in other cuisine, I wouldn't choose muscle meat

> the tomatoe sauce in trippa romana is standart tomatoe sauce?
Kinda
- garlic in olive oil
- coarsely chopped carrots,onion and celery
- add tripe
- make it cook for a couple of minutes
- add tomatoes
- slow cook it for something like an hour
- add "mentuccia" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinopodium_nepeta.. In alternative you could use fresh mint, but you may want to put it in a lesser amount, because it's stronger. It wont the exactly the same but it's very close
- add a shitton of pecorino romano

It has a light "minty" note you have to like. If you don't you skip that, it still good, just not as characteristic

>>16943598
sorry, no interested in anything that a guy named jacobson says

>>16943595

lol varg is so fucking stupid

>>16943611
mantovani*

>>16943610
ty for insightful post. the tripe sounds great, there is a still lot of mint in my garden so ill give it a try.
the meat thing makes sense.

>>16943589
>you would get fucking killed here
>staten island
Shitholean is telling the truth.

>>16943632
post country + aircraft carrier count or shut the fuck up

kys

>>16943632
nah, americans are chill too. this one is just autistic or acting in bad faith

>>16943641
everyone in the us hates italians though. they were the spics of the 1900s

>>16942483
Probably marketing and success breeds success. People are very unlikely to try new things even if there's some dish from a random country they might enjoy more than a lasagna,

>>16942483

>>16943644
anon i know it isnt true so why do you bother?

>>16943641
Nah staten island is a shithole like most of ny. I'm American btw.

>>16943647
immigration act of 1924/1891 louisiana lynchings

>>16943649
you'll never be a woman

>>16943649
i thought you were refering to USA with shitholea. my mistake anon

>>16943649
kys

>>16943438
>it's one of the few things italians didn't get right, we just slap the steak on the pan and call it a day.
>steak and grill in italy is a big no
Bistecca alla fiorentina,
>>16943610
>Looking no far from the past, we didn't know jack shit of tenderization techniques, dry aging or even maillard reaction.
Not far from the past, dry aging was the only way. Basically hang the carcass for some time depending on temperature. You Italians do know how to treat meat.

>>16943655
why do you bother? i told you i knoww jacobson

>>16943638
US. Umm I don't live byvtge coast, coast so no carrier pics, but I live by an afb, but I don't want to post the new ufo type shit that flies around, because it might be a secret.

>>16942561
>being white
OH NO NO NO

>>16943655
>you'll never be a woman
I'll bend you over like one though.
>>16943656
I was refferring to a certain part of the usa as a shithole. It's not a secret that certain areas are complete shitholes.

>>16943663
> Bistecca alla fiorentina,
Yes, I wasn't going to talk about fiorentina because it's more an exception than the rule.
Still most of the other countries steaks are on par if not better

> Not far from the past, dry aging was the only way.
That's why we have so much cured meat. But I was talking as the dry aging process done for meat tenderness and flavour. Also we didn't even care about intramuscular fat and steak was generally thought as a half-inch thick grey slice of meat

> You Italians do know how to treat meat.
For anything other than that I agree. But when people talk about meat, they generally think about steak and grill, in which we don't excel.
Even today when we grill during holidays with friends, majority of people wont care about temperature and cook the meat at high temp for short period of time. The end result are hard baby back ribs that you need to rip off forcibly with your teeth like a animal

>>16943663
>You Italians do know how to treat meat.
stfu Arrosticini and Polpettone are fucking great

FOR ME, I think that many excellent dishes came from many different countries and that it's a good thing. I'm glad I have the opportunity to experience so many great and diverse cuisines, and I think it would be silly to try to bash on any other cultures for having fewer god-tier recipes c:


Except the brits. God damn fuck their bland af food.

>>16944236
Learn to read, anonimo
Btw, arrosticini are good but polpettone is shit tier

>>16944509
some of brit food seem super comfy tho. the christmas pudding must be great for kids and meat+pie is a solid idea

probably controversial but I come from new zealand and I spent 3 months all round italy and the food from home is better. italian food is just wheat and tomatoes and cheap wine and shit. even the seafood is shite compared to back home. they don't even have kina, and canned dines are better than that fresh shite. only chinks like octopus.

>>16942551
its the middle east without the shitty parts

>>16942707
this chart is useless, all it tell you is how common certain restaurants are

>>16942483
Italians is to food what America is to military power
They tell everyone they are the best and people agreee to shut them up but they aren't.

>>16942539
>Trst je naš.
not anymore lmao

>>16943127
>> french
lmao

>>16945586
Italians don't even want northeast italy. Just give back the whole Friulia-Venezia region to the slavs, we'll definitely run it 10x better than the Italians.

>This thread

>>16942483
Anything italy cooks, we can cook better
we can cook anything better than you

>>16942826
based
>>16943169
also based. Yeah, the fucking italians can't really cook. All they can do is imitate what their ancestors did, like they're mindlessly passing down a legacy that they don't really live up to.

Huh. Almost reminds me of something else...

>>16943201
Don't worry, I'm sure you'll find an italian who will show you his meat

>>16942551
>pasta
yes
>red sauce
where

>>16944605
It's easy to fuck up a polpettone, but good ones are good

What part of this thread has to do with food or cooking? Please explain.

>>16945931
The part where people are stewing in ethnic resentment?

>>16943707
>That's why we have so much cured meat. But I was talking as the dry aging process done for meat tenderness and flavour.
Yes, before wet aging was a thing, that was archived by dry aging (or just aging). You hang up the carcass some time depending on the temperature (lower temperature, longer time). Of course this has been done in Italy. Just because of a trend with dry aging things for very long, doesn't mean that dry aging is only dry aging for very long. Dry aging has been the standard way of handling meat forever, it's not some new hipster thing.
>For anything other than that I agree. But when people talk about meat, they generally think about steak and grill, in which we don't excel.
You do these days, and I strongly disagree that steak and grill is what people generally think of when talking about meat.

>>16942483
I never cooked an Italian dish in my entire life. Don't think I even ever ate one.

Feels good man.

>>16942483
Real Italian food was just the blueprint for the maniac wops who came over to America to create the amazing food we think of as Italian today.

>>16946454
Yeah Olive Garden is really the pinnacle of cuisine.

>>16945696
tranny

>>16946655
What flyover shithole do you live in where that's the only Italian restaurant?

>>16946843
enjoy your endless covid lockdowns, negro

>>16946454
> wops who came over to America to create the amazing food we think of as Italian today.
The majority of people that came to america and opened a restaurant weren't cooks or even people who know how to cook, and they were almost only southern italian (precisely Neapolitan and Sicilian)

That's why italian-american cuisine is not as good as the italian one

>>16946925
kys

>>16942531
>China

as yes a cuisine that is 99% made up of "chopped meat and veggies in a brown sauce with a side of rice"

yes I know this was a troll post but I am mad

>>16943595
> imagine being a Christianity hater and being called Kristian
> proud of a mythology that is a worse version of lord of the ring
> killed another faggot that weighted 80 lbs when wet, and burn some small wooden church

Kek, he is such a looser. He's lucky he was born on Norway, in other part of the world they would have raped his asshole in prison

>>16945584
So America is the top 4 at foods, but some refugee in Europe don't like the fact that their house got droned for storing sex toys, and explosives, so that same refugee spends all their free time online posting about how hersheys chocolate tastes weird to them?