/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Larp

>>16928769
Wrong

>>16928768
Why would melting something make it more unhealthy. You are just being silly

>>16928821
It kills the probiotics primarily. Cheese is a healthy product until its pasteurized. I also think it breaks down some important protein, milk protein isnt as good heated as something like meat.

>>16928839
Sources? oh yeah, you are just making shit up

>>16928865
Lol what? I hope youre smart enough to realize denatured means broken down in science terms.

>>16928877
I don't see the big deal, denaturing just means the proteins break down into simpler units your body can use. Stomach acid and digestion does that anyways so the body can then rebuild the amino acids back as proteins the body can actually use.

Nice schizopost

>>16928896
Yea kind of liked cooked sugar, no big deal right.
It ruins the cycles in your body which makes you eat more because there's no feedback mechanism. You should eat complex protein

>>16928877
Whey is not in cheese dumbass. It drops out when you make the curd

>>16928877
Denatured does not mean unhealthy, it just means it now has a different form

>>16928877
You think there is still whey protein in cheese?

>>16928927
>>16928944
Picrel then. Im more of a chemicals guy than a technical food guy but I am still an expert in protein composition make no mistake even if im not as familiar with milk vs cheese protein
>>16928936
Disagree. Denatured means it won't be required to be broken down, its the breaking down process that consumes energy as well as sends a feedback to the brain saying I've had enough. Humans should avoid amino acid/broken down protein or cooked sugar/sugar "syrups"

Well SOMEBODY doesn't want French Onion Soup!

Bitch.

>>16929030
look at that shit! it's glorious!

>>16929016
>Denatured means it won't be required to be broken down
Thats not what denatured means. The protein has changed shape due to added heat, not broken down into its constituents. The body still has to process it.
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I feel like I'm being b8ed. The bond between the proteins forming the lattice break apart, not the bonds of the proteins themselves. Are implying that the stomach breaking down this structure has some health benefit? This seems pretty far fetched.
You have pretty limited chemistry knowledge, you are operating on momscience level.

>>16928768
how does it change to unhealthy?

>>16929016
So you're telling melted cheese is melted??? Holy shit! Call the president!!!!

>>16929030
I've never had french onion soup. Is it good?

>>16929016
You're an educated idiot anon. You know enough terminology to think you understand the issue when you don't, and when you start drawing conclusions they come out as total nonsense. I'm gonna go make a grilled cheese

>>16929257
When done properly it's very good.

When done sloppily it's lackluster or even bad.

>>16928768

>>16929077
Yes breaking down a quaternary protein is far more complex for the body than a denatured protein. Thats not far fetched, its reality.
>>16929278
Sounds like you want to believe what you want to believe rather than discuss actual information
>>16929303
Ad hominem, look at the measures big ag takes to push their melted cheese agenda

anon cheese curds are cooked

I like to shove cheese in my asshole

>>16928768
You sound like a fucking faggot

>>16929611
>get called a faggot
>"that's ad hominem"
Not just stupid but socially defective as well

>>16928839
most mass produced cheese is already pasteurized, and the amount of probiotics in cheese pales in comparison to yogurt or other fermented foods

>>16928768
so how would you make pizza then, retardbro...

>>16928768
>>16928919
>cheese and sugar are healthy until you cook them then they are poison
Can't tell if larp or actual schizo

>>16930977
Yes so dont cook them again
>>16932438
Right. So big ag is ruining cheese. Doesn't mean cheese as it should be made is a healthy processing method for food, unlike how big ag hydrolyzes oils as an example of bad processing.
>>16932842
Look up the Krebs cycle for carbs. There's a similar breakdown cycle for proteins. The more complex and less pre-broken down they are, the more the body has to work to break them down. By filtering 1 carb and precooking/denaturing it the body skips the Krebs cycle or the protein cycle equivalent which in turn means the persons feedback mechanism to say ive had enough doesnt work properly, as well as the calorie intake doesnt get used up by breaking down the carbs/protein

>>16928768

>>16928919
>It ruins the cycles in your body which makes you eat more because there's no feedback mechanism.
Oh, it's you.

>>16929055
Are you flirting with me?

>>16933591
All of the metabolic pathways for breaking down more complex molecules produce energy, they don't take "more work" unless you're literally talking about chewing. You cannot "skip" the Krebs cycle, how do you think that would even happen?

>>16933704
Ad hominem again big ag feels threatened by dispelling the melted cheese food industry
>>16933728
Yes it is me
>>16933832
I am more familiar with the Krebs cycle for carbs than the protein cycle. So I'll discuss that. As the complex carbs are shuffled along and broken down stripped piece by piece each time a piece of the chain is removed it required a small amount of energy to move and strip it. Therefore going through the Krebs cycle requires energy. If a carb is say already processed such as in its simplest form (a sting of 4 carbons, which i think is glucose off the top of my head) it won't require the Krebs cycle.

>>16933907
You seem to have a weird misunderstanding of what the Krebs cycle is, or maybe you're confusing it with for something else? It doesn't strip down complex carbs, it processes acetyl coa, and far from requiring it it's the primary extractor of chemical energy. Glucose is C6H12O6, in the classic carbon hexagon.
Where have you gotten your information from?

>>16928768
get out, gordon

>>16934019
i think he's confusing it with something else, like maybe associating it with anaerobic respiration and how that is less efficient, etc.
krebs cycle is the process for aerobic (using oxygen) respiration.
doesn't matter what the starting nutrient is (carb, fat, protein), it oxidizes acetate into acetyl-coa, which then goes through the process.
like, there are different enzymes which do the catabolism to make the acetyl-coa, and fat makes more energy per unit mass.
it's a net positive at the end though, regardless of if you're eating straight dextrose or some outrageously complex starch.
it all renders down to acetyl-coa.

>>16933907
>it won't require the Krebs cycle.
this nigga out here doing exclusively anaerobic respiration lmao how's that lactic acid treating you bro

>>16934224
Godammit my fucking sides.

>>16934084
Obviously it's a net positive retard no one ever said otherwise. What I said is it consumes more than if the cycle is skipped such as high fructose corn syrup doesn't require as much energy to breakdown as barley, therefore due to consumption of energy during breakdown, barley nets a lower "calorie" per true calorie consumed than glucose syrup
>>16934224
Nutritionists are insufferable gate keepers who think they're an expert on chemistry, biology, and physiology. Hint your not. Is my physiology rusty? Yes I will admit it is. But am I an expert chemist and understand interactions you dont? Also yes

>>16935045
I'm a physician, you learned food science from a bunch of meatheads on /fit/

>>16928768
Go to bed Gordon.

>>16935278
Wrong. Im a chemist who applies intuition to food. I am an expert in analytical chemistry with a specialization in large molecule namely protein. And again physicians think they know everything but often times don't see the full picture where chemistry, physiology and biology meet. Next thing you'll tell me is microwaving plastics and Tupperware is fine.

>>16928839
lmao you are an actual retard, stop reading mommy health blogs

>>16935362
>Im a chemist who applies intuition to food.
We've found the next linus pauling everbody, applying math to food to cure his wife's cancer with vitamin C (Hint: She died)

>>16935386
Chemistry and math are the same now good one.
The context here is saying proteins are more stable in quaternary structure and hardest to break down. That's protein chemistry, pal, not physician shit. You think a denatured protein is just as stable as a quaternary protein apparently because that's the only point I made where I needed to cite knowledge. And once you accept that simple truth you can see the body would struggle more to break down a quaternary protein than a denatured protein, oh a simple conclusion drawn from an expertise in protein composition and chemistry. Not to mention chemists are the ones you're trusting when you take your pharma, or the intersection of chemistry and physiology/medicine; not that i think all these elective medicines should be taken so frequently as most are consooming
But no you keep rambling about math.

>>16936001
This is what the dunning-kruger effect actually looks like in action boys

>>16936010
The gatekeeping of modern medicine ladies and gentlemen, the truth isnt enough for them they require 2 degrees 4 references and 6 citations. Kys low iq ape

>>16936018
>he truth isnt enough for them they require 2 degrees 4 references and 6 citations

Yes, that's how scientific consensus is supposed to work. I'm starting to doubt your credentials here because you seem to have no idea how science works.

>>16935362
So you know dick about biochemistry or metabolism is what I'm hearing

>>16935045
>if the cycle is skipped such as high fructose corn syrup
Where do you think the syrup goes exactly?

>muh biological feedback mechanisms
>muh satiety
lmao just put the fork down fatty, big ag isn't forcing you to eat 10000 calories of melted cheese every day

>>16929611
>quaternary protein is more complex to break down
Complex is not the right word. It's more time consuming. The stomach denatures with acid then cleaves some of the chains into smaller chains that go to the SI to be cleaved into single units.
As someone who has worked with amide bonds (peptide bonds) it requires low pH and very high heat, higher than body temperature because amides are very strong. The only things that would break from heat are the side chain groups and generally they are pretty stable too. The only bonds being broken with your cheese melting are intermolecular bonds.

>inb4 i've been baited

>>16928768
brainlet

>>16928919
Based schizo

>>16928768
Dairy cannot be produced without animal cruelty.

>>16936828
This guy gets it
>>16937083
Yes it can. And in fact dairy is less cruel than your b12 shot which has been both animal tested during R&D and requires horseshoe crab blood to quality test during manufacture

>>16928768
>mogs your opinion

You may want to review this OP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juM2ROSLWfw

>melting anything but american slices
thats just dumb tbqh

You could at least do us the courtesy of sticking around more than 12 hours after shitting out your hollow earth theories.

>>16933907

>>16929611

>>16928768
Dairy is objectively extremely bad for you

>>16939786
why? in what way?

>>16939786
Depends how it is prepared.
Raw milk very fresh, cheese not melted, yogurt, keefir are all on the healthy side if you ask me. Also you'll notice these dont give your stomach issues even if you're "lactose intolerant" as if thats a real thing and not every living human reacts poorly to pasteurized milk/cream and melted cheese

>>16928768
both are tasty
>>16929055
magnificent

>>16929611
Insults are not ad hominem. Ad hominem would be if he said "why would anyone trust the word of a faggot?" or "you're a faggot, so you're wrong", since AH is when you attempt to use who someone is to discredit their argument.

>>16940034
I'm lactose intolerant because my body can't process the lactose in dairy products. This goes for just about every dairy product except harder more aged cheeses because there is less lactose in them. You fucking spaz. I still get reactions from yogurt vs melted cheddar

>>16928919
> It ruins the cycles

>>16935045
holy fucking shit dude I took biochem in 2014 and I still remember that shit. What is wrong with you my man. a different metabolic pathway in your liver for fructose doesn't mean you're not doing the fucking kreb cycle just lmAO

>>16928768
It depends on the cheese and the dish.

If I make a western bacon cheeseburger, I'd rather have the cheese cold for texture but some burgers I'll steam it on top of the patty.

>>16935045
>Hint your not.
Yeeeaaahhhh buddy I'm not gonna believe that you're an expert in anything after reading that

>>16929016
classic pseudointellectual
go back to school kid u didnt fail bc you were a misunderstood genius, just dumb

>>16935362
>I am an expert in analytical chemistry with a specialization in large molecule namely protein
Say I wanted to educate myself to your level, where'd you get your training from?

>>16943631
yahoo answers