/ck/ - Food & Cooking

what medical advancement happened in the late 90's/early 2000's that prevented deaths from heart disease?

>>16910368
cell phones

>>16910341
no, i can feel it when i eat it and it feels nasty. i stick to olive oil now.

>>16910341
I don't eat any vegetables at all. Carnivore for the epic wins.

>>16910372
>16910372
olives are a vegetable, what makes them so much bettar

>>16910341
Remember, correlation is not causation.

>>16910375
olive oil is simply pressed from the olives and filtered
most vegetable oils are heavily processed and from parts of plants we wouldn't normally eat

>>16910375
Olives are a fruit you dope.

>>16910341
Are you fags really that illiterate that you can't see that the amount of fat and oil combined went up? Maybe you fatsos should guzzle less oil or something.

You're on 4chan, living clearly isn't going well for you, why do you want to drag it out with healthy food?

>>16910389
>muh processing
>parts we don’t typically eat
I don’t typically eat bones, but I do “process” them into delicious stock. Those terms don’t equate to “bad”.

>>16910608
So I can make the lives of everyone around me worse

>>16910341
you fags are so desperate to pin CVD on vegetable oil and not butter, beef, cheese, pork etc.

>population goes up
>number of heart disease deaths goes up
wow!

also, 100 years ago the top cause of death was infection and life expectancy was 48 years old. people were literally dying too young to have heart attacks.

>>16910341
post-2000 seems to disprove your implied hypothesis

>>16910698
Are you pretending to be dumb or do you not know how to read per capita charts?
Because boy do I have some statistics on crime for you

>>16910719
you dumb nigger the heart deaths are not per capita

>>16910719
Crime has dropped dramatically in the last forty years if you're about to compare it to the number of deaths by heart disease.
We're eating ourselves to death with processes foods and sedentary lifestyles.

>>16910341
I've been using safflower oil the past few weeks, how fucked am I?

>>16910719
who could have guessed the anime image poster was too stupid to read 5 words before responding

>>16910341
>There was a 22% higher risk of death for each 30 mg/dL (0.78 mmol/L) reduction in serum cholesterol in covariate adjusted Cox regression models (hazard ratio 1.22, 95% confidence interval 1.14 to 1.32; P<0.001). There was no evidence of benefit in the intervention group for coronary atherosclerosis or myocardial infarcts.
>"Findings from the Minnesota Coronary Experiment add to growing evidence that incomplete publication has contributed to overestimation of the benefits of replacing saturated fat with vegetable oils rich in linoleic acid."
https://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i1246

So what you're saying is that people ate more fat and got more heart disease?
Wow!

>>16910844
people ate more sugar and vegetable oil fats and got more heart disease*

>>16910668
i like the way you think

>>16910654
Very good anon. Bones are food. Vegetable oil is industrial lube.

>>16910387
This doesn't even have a strong correlation. Are we all just gonna ignore the large dip in heart disease with no corresponding drop in vegetable oil consumption?

>>16910990
So you're saying vegetables aren't food, yet bones are? Who let their dog shitpost on here?

>>16910341
Anyone else think the heart looks like sola from bon appetit?

>>16910990
at my job we use a lot of vegetable oil based lubes. it's not as funny or as sexy as it sounds.

>>16910341
Now plot the number of pirates on the sea in that graph. You will see they are inversely correlated with heart disease.

>>16910341
kys you stupid fuck

>>16910341
Idunno is a sunflower a vegetable?
Or a palm?
Or coconut?
Or a rape?
Like name one example of a vegetable?

>>16910698
>also, 100 years ago the top cause of death was infection and life expectancy was 48 years old. people were literally dying too young to have heart attacks.
no, dumbass, life expectency is the AVERAGE time of life. which means that it gets dragged down by child mortality considerably. it was always low before the modern era not because you'd live to 30 and then keel over but because everyone had a large family and a lot of newborns wouldnt make it past their first few years. if you survived that getting to +70 was obviously less likely than today but not impossible or that uncommon

>>16912372
>Like name one example of a vegetable?
Ketards.

>>16910719
>read per capita charts
The deaths are in thousands, dumbshit.

It's not all plant oils, just most of them. The harmful part are the omega 6 oils. (Proof that omega6 is harmful can be found in abundance.)

>>16910341
I cook exclusively with olive oil and so has my entire country for centuries, and it will never stop. Fuck you.

You don't need to use any fats for cooking except butter, coconut and olive oils. All polyunsaturated fats oxidize in warm environments and turn rancid within the body, causing metabolic inhibition and chronic disease. An ideal diet contains minimal PUFA or a high ratio of saturated and monounsaturated to polyunsaturated fats.

>>16912563
How do you fry with butter

>>16910341
>Absolute number of heart attacks
Now put population on the graph lmao

>>16910719
Leave some chromosomes for other people, bro.

>>16912563
>All polyunsaturated fats oxidize in warm environments
Seed oils are raised to high temperatures multiple times in production alone.

>>16912657
Bravo

>>16912600
clarify it. but also, do not listen to 4chan fearmongers because they are retards. op chart is a fucking joke aimed at people with facebook user levels of media incompetence.

>>16912310
Based and plunder-pilled

>>16910341
Correlation is not causation just don't be a fat fuck and cook with any oil you want

>>16912463
olives are fruits dude
olive oil is way better for you than vegetable oil, no one attacks it

>correlation = causation
I'd bet there is a Z variable: obesity

>>16910341
wait so is olive oil bad to cook with?

>>16913709
Yes because it tastes like shit

>>16912459
why do people say that canola oil is terrible for you then? looks like it has a good balance of saturated + omega 3 and 6

>>16910368
reduced smoking

>>16913701
I would like to see sugar consumption on the same chart. Aswell as total caloric intake, meals per day and physical exercise. But yeah, the big problem is that it's hard to establish a causal link between obesity/heart disease and other factors. Everyone has their own theory and no one is really proven right or wrong.

>>16910341
>obviously fake chart with no citations

>>16913720
if you super heat it sure

>>16911026
This graph is fucking hilarious, barely any correlation, comparing a rate statistic to a counting statistic. It's so fucking awful. Statistics needs to be taught in grade school Jesus

>better record keeping results in higher numbers of things
Amazing

the cause is obesity in general not vegetable oil, there is some evidence various oils can cause inflammation and whatever but the effect is not enough really to pin it as a major cause

>>16913743
because they buy into that whole alt-right "the kikes want to take our meat and dairy away, therefore all non-animal products are le bad" meme

>>16910341
so what

>>16910341
Yes, and Crisco too

>>16910341
>You're not cooking with vegetable oil
Depends on what I'm cooking.

>>16910341
Is no one going to point out that the graph is nonsensical and has two different quantities on the same axis

>eating cheese
I shig

>>16916791
You did, but nobody else is that autistic

>>16910341
If vegetable oil was causing heart disease then the number of deaths would've been increasing instead of plateauing at around 1970.

>>16913743
-The omega3 is the less available plant form
-Both of the polyunsaturateds still oxidize
-During high temperature processing, trans fats are getting created
-All of this means it's inferior to beef/milk fat
-It's "highly processed" in general, which all the NPCs know is bad
-It's probably the most common cooking oil, so it gets the most hate
But yeah. If you want cheap oil, use canola. All the other stuff is even worse.

>>16916791
someone did already. i'm more wondering about how nobody has yet commented on the fact that the graph shows deaths from heart disease go up before vegetable oil consumption started to rise.
if correlation does not equal causation, what does no correlation equal to?

>>16910368
Vaping was invented.

>>16916792
Jesus christ, is nowhere safe?

>>16914892
There's plenty of commies that think 'the capitalists are poisoning are food for profit' which isn't too dissimilar. It's just the average mainline left adjacent guy (at least in America) is all in on muh Whole Foods and doesn't want to consider any evidence since they've made their choice.

>>16916988
The capitalists want to collect capital whatever the means. Logically follows that they don't give a single shit what they put in food. That's why we have democratical regulation.
>commies
Nice fucking strawman. Binary logic doesn't work if there are more than too options. You can be against any bullshit like capitalism, communism, nationalism, Christianism, judaism etc. All man made bullshit for the power hungry cunts.

>>16911026
The heart disease correlation is much stronger. Before they introduced crispo, there was no such thing as a heart attack. Look it up if you don't believe me.

>>16916792
this is why i dont use a bed sheet. just a mattress cover and a blanket.

ALL OILS ARE BAD. Yes even olive, avocado, and coconut oil. You need to eat the food in its whole form (ie: whole avocados and olives).

>>16917821
but I don't fry avocados and olives, and I have no idea where to get egg oil.

>>16913743
Cold-pressed Canola oil is indeed really good. Arguably on par or better than Extra virgin olive oil. The issue is that the cold pressed variety is a rare and expensive specialty product and instead almost all Canola oil sold is not cold pressed but rather hot pressed using hexane which destroys the Omega-3 and oxidize the oil. Also cold-pressed Canola oil has a distinct taste which, though not bad, makes it unsuitable when you want a neutral taste oil as a base.

>>16917428
Did you mean to say they lacked the diagnostic capability to diagnose a heart attack in the 1800s or are you just retarded?

>>16910341
>Not adjusted for population growth
>unsorted
I know this isn't /sci/ but WTF op? You just trying out a new software with data pulled out of thin air?

>>16917900
You shouldn’t be frying anything in the first place.

>>16917921
Nope and nope. You're simply uninformed and brainwashed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQmqVVmMB3k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofq-8ToY2fc