/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>16876477
whats wrong with cold brew?

>>16876485
causes autism

>>16876490
ah

Noob here...
I've still never had espresso...

>>16876485
(((they))) want to supress cold brew because it cures autism and they can't charge for it
t. Autism researcher

I'll fukkin post it again.

>>16876485
It sucks

>>16876521
Don't you do it.

t. Also Doctor

>>16876490
I drink a lot of cold brew . If it causes autism I’d have it by now .

>>16876803
Um
Microwave anon...

Best grounds for making coffee in a moka pot? Just bought it, never made anything besides keurig shit before. Canadian if that affects availability of brands

Coffee amateur here. Every morning I’ve been having Taylor’s of Harrogate’s Rich Italian Roast ground coffee from a French press. It’s fine but it’s not blowing my socks off. How do I take my coffee drinking experience to the next level without spending much money?

I want to try this but I'm to weak

https://youtu.be/mAPG18zNtXk

>>16877084
Impossible. It costs at least $1,000 to cobble together the bare minimum ghetto-tier pourover setup. Good coffee is for upper middles and above. I'm sorry. Learn to budget your finances better and pull yourself up by the bootstraps.

>>16877084
>How do I take my coffee drinking experience to the next level without spending much money?
spend at least $100 on a used grinder
t. coffee enjoyer

>>16876477
>What ya brewing?
Single origin Ethiopian Lume using a Hario 2 filter
>Where's it from?
Coffea Circulor
>You getting any more?
It's good stuff, so yes. Just wish I was better at brewing.

>blub blub blub blub

>>16877099
if michel pollen says to do something im gonna do the exact opposite fucker is ligghtnung bolt of misinformation

espresso is the only real coffee
- t. Doctor Anon

>>16876803
i've got bad news for you, autism anon
t. autism doctor

>>16877989
Simgle-walled glass French press is the truest way to appreciate those beans.
>t. anon esq.

Anyone here ever have a Barista Hustle subscription? Are the courses worth it?

>>16878056
no no no NO i can't BELIEVE you would post about a glass french press when for the same money you could buy a double wall vacuum insulted titanium Algerian press
t. Kafka, esq.

I want to change up how i make my weekend cups.

Can someone recommend me a good pour over? Or another way to brew? I currently use a generic drip coffee maker during the week to make bulk coffee for work.

>>16878089
belgian siphon

This might sound retarded, but what exactly does the "press" in french press do? Like, Why can't I just put a mesh filter or coffee bag in a cup, pour water on it, and take it out? Isn't that the same shit?

>>16878423
Its so you can push the grinds to the bottom of the vessel.

>>16878423
You can do anything you want to, you sweet little kittycat.

>>16878089
Make fresh pourover coffee at work.

>>16878586
ya ok, but what does that actually "do" that steeping grounds does not do? Both effectively are intended to eliminate as much coffee particles out of the final drink, no?

I'm just starting to wonder if French Press coffee is just some really elaborate coffee cargo cult or something.

>>16878620
>I'm just starting to wonder if French Press coffee is just some really elaborate coffee cargo cult or something.
It is, the french press is outmoded.

>>16878620
I think it's just an easy to purchase and use immersion brewer, meowmeowkittyface. You can make your own coffee brewing things if you want to.

>>16878635
b-but what does this do? wtf? I'm losing my mind here bros. Someone I know told me all immersion methods for coffee are basically the same and now I feel like a nonce buying the Clara french press instead of just buying this tea infusion basket that I just used.

>>16878667
It lets you press the coffee through a filter, leading to a superior experience in the cup if you like paper filtered coffee, and much easier cleanup than a french press.

>>16878667
>now I feel like a nonce buying the Clara french press
You should feel like a nonce for buying glass crap instead of double walled stainless steel

>>16878743
Nice meme but it is steel, $130 of steel.

>>16878743
It is double walled steel bro.... It keeps temp really well, but it's also massive in terms of how much coffee I want. Lately I've been just making tea and then occasionally some coffee in the same basket I use for tea.

>>16878758
>$130
So not only are you a retarded faggot, you're also a disingenuous retarded faggot acting in bad faith and intentionally searching for the most expensive version of something in order to prove your retarded point. Kill yourself.

>>16878758
>>16878772
>he spent $130 on a french press
Holy shit anon what the fuck are you doing

>>16878789
Take your meds.

t. doctoranon

>>16878797
I let some youtuber with big booba sell it to me. I have no fucking clue what I'm doing bro. I'm just going to go back to tea. less autism and coffee culting.

Note, I bought a K-Plus as well and money isn't really a problem. The problem is if it's useful and I'm starting to feel like french press is just a really bad cargo cult thing.

>>16878789
cope and seethe

>>16878789
>searching for the most expensive version of something in order to prove your retarded point.
what the fuck are you on about?
I bought one. I think it is underwhelming when I compare the ease of use of literally pic related.

also pic related was literally only 10 bucks.

>>16878810
I haven't used one to actually make coffee in like 4 years because there is just no point. Immersion is nice I guess but I don't like the silt and it's a pain in the ass to clean. I only even keep mine around for making a liter of tisanes at a time.

>>16878810
>>16878822
Please say that you're joking bro......

>>16878827
I'm not.

>>16878828
The thought of someone spending $130 on a French press really just ruined my entire day man

>>16878831
the 130 one is the walnut handle. I bought the plastic one which was $100. Sorry bro. Which I could make you feel better.

If people want to make coffee for like 3 people, it is fine machine though, but it's definitely a buyer's remorse thing.

>>16878836
>coffee for like 3 people
>capacity 24oz
The cheap one I got from amazon years ago is a whole liter.... bro...........

>>16878831
Wait until you see the guy with 2 monoliths and a slayer.

yes in fact workmate, you are going to have to hear me bitch about k cups any time you are near me

>>16878849
Ya, I admit to fucking up. Don't know what to say.

>>16878863
>2 monoliths and a slayer.
what does this mean?

>>16878885
It means he spent $20k on meme coffee gear.

>>16873993
late pic

>>16878758
>PTFE
remember, fluorine attacks your bones first.
>it's also disturbingly reflective of VUV light when immersed in liquid xenon...

>>16876847
>>16877996
>Obsessive Compulsive Disorder

>>16876433
FWIW I'm a phd candidate in particle physics

>>16878926
I tried to brew coffee using liquid xenon but it tasted underextracted. Brewed at -120C btw. Should I bump the temperature up?

>>16876477
Today I had my coffee as cold brew steeped with pineapple and demerara sugar

>>16876477
>warm 1% milk
>tasters choice medium roast, instant
>1/2 Swiss Miss hot chocolate pouch

>>16879006
That sounds fucking disgusting.

is a PID worth it?
I have a silvia without PID. I can make some great shot but sometimes I feel they're under extracted/sour tasting because it's not hot enough.

Also, what would be a good grinder upgrade. I currently own a rancilio rocky.

>>16879197
A PID could help but you can also learn how to temperature surf instead.

>>16879232
Never heard of temperature surf, I'll look into that! thanks!

Anyone have a decent guide for pour overs? Made my second cup today and it’s not tasting amazing

>>16879372
Just take the French press pill.

>>16879389
Can’t man some coffee guru near me showed me the power of pour overs. I can never go back

>>16879372
https://vimeo.com/46612013
For me its the aeropress though

>>16878423
Nothing at all. Negligible pressure, just like the aeropress.
>>16878667
Nothing, thats just a paper filtered french press. More clarity, less oil as the paper will trap some.


>How many bars of pressure can you achieve in the AeroPress?

>The AeroPress filter is 2.5 inches in diameter so the area of the filter is 4.9 square inches. If you press down firmly on a scale, it is relatively easy to get the scale up to 25 pounds and then if you press hard on the scale, you can certainly get it up to 50 pounds. Therefore if you press similarly hard on your AeroPress while brewing coffee, the firm pressing will be at 5.1 psi (25 lbs/4.9 sq in) and the harder pressing will be at 10.2 psi (50 lbs/4.9 sq in). Since a bar of pressure is 14.7 psi, the former is .35 bar and the latter is .70 bar. We have done taste comparisons between minimal and maximum pressure on an AeroPress and our taste buds can’t tell the difference.

The max pressure of an aeropress is significantly less than most people preinfuse their espresso shots at. The "press" is a gimmick.

>>16878917
Good shit ty fren.

>>16879372
https://pastebin.com/tTkSwdrS
The first section of the perc/filter module from BaristaHustle.
You're welcome

>>16879389
French press person, please help me understand
>>16878423

>>16876485
nothing unless you use quality expensive beans, then fuck you, gimme dose beens niggah use cheap shit for cold brewing

>>16879483
>>16879537
Thanks all

>>16876477
What does “E-61” mean?

>>16879568
I'll do the rest of the course later.
"we" can use it in the thread description afterwards

>>16879576
https://www.fivesenses.com.au/blog/the-e61-group-head-an-oldie-but-a-goodie/
>>16879537
>>16879483
Thx, got them saved to post again when they go down.

>>16879585
Oh I didn't even see thats matt's upload. Though you ripped it and put it up. Whatever its only 50mb. Could webm it down for confused tards here.

for me it's spanish roast

>>16879662
This is a coffee thread not a charcoal grilling thread

>>16879662
literally says italian roast in the filename

>>16879662
Looks like your typical garage skillet roast.

Added a few more books to the folder.

Mediafire /folder/3zlza5zos6d28/ctg

>>16879726
for me it's italian roast

>>16879736
looks like deer shit

>>16879736
these must taste horrible, there's no nuance when it's so dark

>>16879489
Thanks for the reply. I was tempted in buying the aeropress just to see if I was missing out.

>>16879828
>I was missing out.
on aeropiss? kek no, just learn how to make good pour over

>>16879736
Based.

>>16879828
Nah not at all. If you want paper filtered immersion, look at the hario switch. You can brew it with the valve fully open like a v60 or fuck around with any amount of immersion brewing with it closed. Anyone who bitches about the clara is a poorfag and would take one in a heartbeat. Buy once cry once. I'll probably end up with an espro at some point.

I use my aeropress the most.
t. Have v60, and clever.

>>16879389
For me, it's a single-walled glass press from Ikea.

>>16879828
You are. The other guy is literally afraid of the aeropress because it's plastic.

>>16880436
I've got a plastic v60 I occasionally use. Couldn't at all be the fact that its a meme brewer. Maybe if Billy Mays was still around he could sell me on some infomercial level bullshit.

>>16880436
If they made a glass version, I might get one. But I don’t need BPA in my coffee.

>>16880474
>meme brewer
V60 is a meme too.
>>16880481
>BPA
It hasn't been made with BPA in a long time. Some metal ones exist but are expensive.

>>16878620
why don't you try both and compare so you can see first-hand how disgusting a tea-bag steep would taste
there's a reason there's stirring and aggitation in a typical french press brew, and there's a reason a crust usually forms

>>16878789
yep, it's mental illness
wouldn't be surprised if you came up with the disgusting schizo cold-brew recipe
- t. Doctor Anon

>>16878885
expensive commercial-grade espresso gear

>>16880506
No anon, clearly this guy who has literally no idea what he's talking about, to such a point that he doesn't even understand how a french press operates, has it all figured out. The people who have been using them for a hundred years or whatever were clearly retarded and not capable of seeing what this anon is seeing. He has it all figured out. Truly the coffee genius of our time.

>>16878810
morgandrinkscoffee?
i would do unholy things (like marriage) to her desu, hard to blame you lad

>>16880506
And those reasons are? I did by the way. It tastes fine.
Stop cargo culting. Drop some real ass explanation or fuck off.

>>16880529
Yes.
>marriage
Sick fuck.

>>16880529
have some selfrespect, that thing is obese

>>16880529
>>16880550
>>16880583
She has a "partner" according to one of her videos. You dodged a bullet.

>>16879593
a webm would be fantastic -- please post if you make that

>>16880583
i would bury my face in her arse

>>16880588
don't care nigger she's still hot

>>16880535
why don't you go to youbue and watch literally any video
since you're certainly a redditor, go watch hoffmeme's explanation of how a surrender press works

>>16880672
>youbue
youtube

>>16880672
>doesn't even link any sources and continues to dismiss
Cargo cult. Smh desu senpai. It's pathetic. What do retards even do in this thread? I'm more of a tea chad anyhow. Enjoy your autism cult ig.

>>16880687
Bet you drink shitty tea too.

>>16880687
i don't even drink french piss nigger
i drink only real coffee (espresso)

>>16880687
>spent $130 on a meme french press
>calls others retards

Roasted a batch of a very fruited dry process Ethiopian to only just city. Acidity is more pronounced, but the cup is noticeably less fruity and sweetness is underdeveloped–less rounded and intereting. This one tastes better at city+, even pushing full city. You never really know what you're working with until you try it out. Some natural Ethiopians taste the best when you stop right at the beginning of first crack, some taste best at the end of first crack. Continually amazed at how every single coffee desires a different roast to max out potential.

>>16880852
holy fuck i hate this fucking community

>>16880852
Additionally, it can often take me up to two pounds of any given coffee before I completely figure it out. Sometimes up to five pounds before I feel good at roasting it. I'm telling you all this so that you don't underbuy coffee. I haven't been roasting for very long, but I made that mistake for a while, not understanding that you can sacrifice all of your small purchaes before you get it just right.

>>16880857
I love how autistic and retarded coffee people are, it's what I'm here for. A discerning community who always strives for better is the most you can ask for with any hobby.

>>16880672
Ok. So I tried to watch one and it seems to be basically the same concept as what I'd do with a filter basket in a mug. What exactly does the press mechanism do for you other than add gimmicky complication? https://youtube.com/watch?v=st571DYYTR8

Do you ever like actually question your choices and how things work?

>>16880687
>fell for the immersion meme
>buys 130$ french press that is functionally the same as a 2$ one
>drinks tea
>gets upset and leaves
yeah you're a faggot, but we love you. don't leave us for good you still have so much to learn.

>>16880857
What's wrong with trying to be excellent?
:(

>>16880896
nothing baby, he just sets the bar low for himself. you keep living your best life b

>>16880878
I already told you, it doesn't do anything. Its just mechanical separation of grinds and (now coffee infused) water. You could fucking gongfu coffee and there would be little difference. High volume, low effort, with slightly more "body" than drip or paper filtered coffee because the steel mesh will allow more oils to pass into the cup.

>>16880903
Forgot to add, if you really want to push the immersion meme and blur the lines, there are metal filters for the switch. Its all going to come down to preference. Some people like cloth filters, some love steel mesh.

https://kurasu.kyoto/products/eco-filter-dunk

>bought a v60 thinking pour-over was a meme
>first few cups sucked
>finally get the gist of it
>get the jitters
holy shit that was good

>>16880903
>You could fucking gongfu coffee
sure if you want no extraction and a mouthful of grounds you fucking retard
coffee and tea extract fundamentally differently

the moka pot is fucking based

>>16881433
So why can't you do a 4 minute immersion brew, exactly like a cupping? What fundamental differences in extraction change when you toss a lid on top of this?

>>16881682

>>16881682
>4 minutes
>gong fu
are you fucking retarded? have you never done gong fu in your life?
try doing a 10 second immersion brew with coffee and let me know how your water tastes, because it will just be fucking water you stupid retard

>>16881712
>have you never done gong fu in your life?
It was about time to get a little air in that pumi. Somehow some of those 2012 nugs fell into my mug.

https://www.scaa.org/PDF/resources/cupping-protocols.pdf

I'm not talking about successive short brews, I'm talking about a long duration infusion in a gaiwan.

>The hot water should be poured directly onto the measured grounds to the rim of the cup, making sure to wet all of the grounds. The grounds to steep undisturbed for a period of 3-5 minutes before evaluation.

So whats the difference between breaking the crust with a spoon and using a lidded gaiwan to pour out the liquid leaving the grounds behind? I grandpa brew in a gaiwan when I'm lazy. Turns out you don't actually need a mug for that.

>>16881838
>whats the difference between breaking the crust with a spoon and using a lidded gaiwan to pour out the liquid
the lidded gaiwan is moar kawaii

be me, one cup a day man, don't drink coffee at home, go for walkies every morning, good routine for autistard, I need it or i can't shit for the rest of the day.

Its 6am and raining, Starfucks is closest, fml

>"Hi, can I have a short double americano, kthx"
>*visible confusion*
>"A double americano, short"
>*is that twice as much coffee?*
>"Medium americano, less water"
>*rings up a grande americano*

my eye starts twitching, dentist says I grind my teeth too much, she doesn't know what I have to put up with every day, I pay with contactless, I love living in the future, if only they accepted monero or doge the devil (visa) wouldn't get its cut

>*here you go sir*

.... its a grande americano, diluted pisswater with a hint of espresso ...

>"No, short double americano, dont let one shot run-off, it all goes in the cup, same amount of water as espresso"
>*tries again, there's creme ontop...*

I feel grit in between my teeth

>"Hey, how do I order this again, a short double americano, everybody seems to call it something different"
>*just get a double espresso with some hot water*

I pull my glock 27 out, how they let me get a CCW license I don't know, two in the chest for the barrister that served me this abomination, I hear blood start gurgling out of her mouth as she screams.

>"THATS A LONG BLACK YOU FUCKING RETARD"

I get the assistant manager twice in the back as she's running away, she slips and falls and I hear her teeth crack on the tiles.

>chugs coffee, shit my pants, now I'm ready for the rest of the day, bring it on!

>>16882002
Even the nicest coffee shop is going to have wagetards behind the counter. Hoffmeme's employees can't even fucking remember fixed recipes. Its no wonder the aeropress took off in single cup shops. That plunger keeps the barista's drool out of your sips.

>>16880884
>still can't counter anything I say
Just stop kiddo. I didn't fall for any meme. Immersion is just less autistic and time wasting than pour over.

>>16880903
Yes, I know. And based on talking to friends and my own experimentation, I can confirm what you are saying, but there are literal retards still giving me (You)s who aren't questioning their cargo cult mentality around the French press. Also that one retard in particular claimed hoffmeme backed up his claims.

>>16882190
When I was younger I used to always use a french press. As I grew older I switched over to manual drip ("pourover" wasn't a common term at the time) because it is a cleaner, more nuanced cup. If I needed a stronger cup to compensate for less body, I simply used more coffee. As far as time-wasting goes, it's a wash in my opinion. Cleaning the press pot is as much a pain in the ass as standing there watching the funnel for a few minutes. Pourover does make a superior tasting cup, but thre's no accounting for taste. Do what you will.

New local cafe with $3 coffee; has a nice balanced taste to it. *SOLD*

>>16882002
>be me, one cup a day man
What a lie.

>>16882210
It stems from people parroting this video. Two weeks before this they didn't give a fuck about immersion and coffeegay's "ultimate" v60 technique was literal gospel. As for the time wasting, if you don't believe your enjoyment personally worth an extra few minutes of prep, noone is going to change that. As long as you're happy who cares. If you feel like getting into pourovers, that press is going to look real nice sitting on the shelf until you want to use it again and virtually no chance of breakage.

https://youtu.be/09fNvoQMlGw

>>16882250

i switched onto decaf for a year or two because 5+ cups of full-caffeinated was making me tired and lethargic but also jittery and a bit retarded.

then down to one cup per day, it's part of my routine now (re: shitting, and autistard), but it's a compulsion, habitual, an addiction that I must quench every day.

hopefully I will move onto waiting days or perhaps weeks until I'm somewhere that has coffee which is worth drinking, then have a nice espresso which hits like a nice line of cocaine.

>>16882261
This guy is such a stupid asshole. Holy shit.

>>16882450
how so?

>>16880877
Digits confirm.
>>16882052
Because anyone can work in a specialty coffee shop, and make specialty coffee. The problem is, few choose to make specialty coffee.
>>16882261
Your first point is a massive problem with coffee. I don't think Hoffmeme wanted be the head of the church of mid-tier coffee, but he's there now, and people will religiously follow what he says.

I tried this at a coffee shop. Was fucking gross.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitro_cold_brew_coffee

so i've come to the conclusion that my cheapo hand grinder makes way too much fines
gimme reccs
>moka pot-pourover grind, i'm probably not going to stray too far beyond that range
>hopefully not too much more than $100
>preferably not always out of stock because hoffmeme recommended it

>Yes sir! One pound of your freshly roasted single origin Ethiopian coffee beans. Yes yes sir, the $25 bag!
>sprint home with arms outstretched, jaw clenched
>make a nice cup
>smells amazing
>slurrrrrrrrrp
>"...uh"
>ssssleeeeuuurrrrrrrpppp
>"...wtf? where is the flavor?"

It tastes like hot water. Preground Starbucks espresso blend in a drip machine unironically makes a WAY better cup of coffee. What am I missing?

>>16882874
Based v60 user.

Why can't I just brew with hot milk instead of water? like 175F

Seems like it's just a time saver over making blended drinks

>>16882261
>As long as you're happy who cares.
I am. I don't really care if people like pour-over and I respect that, but I just had a wild thought up my ass to use my tea basket to make some quick cuppa joe, came here, knowing full well I'm not really all that versed in coffee, asked what I thought was a reasonable question about the mechanics and how brewing with frenchpress works and came out feeling like a nonce, but with newfound knowledge.

I do have a v60, maybe later this week I'll pick up some filters and try it out, but honestly I'm more tea than coffee and the tea way of making coffee is great, single serving and relatively painless.

So I thought before that I just liked coffee. Then I went to a cafe and had a real latte and found out that I love it. What's a good beginner set up to make lattes at home?
I was going to get a moka pot... would the 3 cup version be good? Also what grind level is best for moka pots?
In addition I was going get this hand grinder:
https://www.amazon.com/JavaPresse-Grinder-Conical-Brushed-Stainless/dp/B013R3Q7B2
And can anyone recommend a milk frother? would a cheap one from amazon do the job?

>>16883092
Because 175F probably isn't hot enough to brew coffee
(I don't know what 175F is in real units, I'm only guessing)

>>16882874

you fucked up your grind, granule size is too big or water ran through it too quick. try steeping in a french press for longer with same burr setting or slowly reduce granule size until your brew method starts extracting the right flavours.

Good morning sirs

>>16883279
>In addition I was going get this hand grinder:

just buy a 1Zpresso JX or K-meme one.

>>16881838
>I'm not talking about successive short brews, I'm talking about a long duration infusion in a gaiwan.
oh cool anon it's too bad that has absolutely NOTHING in common with gongfu other than the use of the same brewing vessel, which is completely inconsequential (especially since gongfu can be done without a gaiwan)
you incorrigible retard

>>16882450
He's definitely targeting the morons in the algorithm. I think he's decently smart for quickly shifting from a competition barista to a roastie/cafe owner.
>>16882874
Grind finer, hotter water.
>>16882853
>>16883279
That's junk, don't buy it. Only sub $100 grinder worth while is probably the timemore c2. The new 1zpresso q2 is supposed to be the ~$100 commandante killer, but I can't remember which version of burrs is recc'd. Milk frother just microwave and aerate in a french press. Flair is supposedly coming out with a milk heater/frother soon.
>>16882520
75% of the time when you ask these morons to clarify what the gayman said, its clear they didn't actually discern anything from the video.
>>16883270
Tea basket method could be your based immersion singlecup/travel setup. Toss an extra finum in your suitcase or backpack with a ziplock of grounds.

>>16882002
>short double americano
>double
>in the US
the starbucks barista is more of a coffee connossieur than you will ever be

>>16882261
>It stems from people parroting this video.
>>16882520
>I don't think Hoffmeme wanted be the head of the church of mid-tier coffee.

for me, it will always be the seattle coffee gear dyke

>>16883092
you need the coffee solids to disolve into your brewing liquid
i'm not sure that coffee will disolve into milk very well, but if it does then yeah you could brew with milk

>>16883493
Yep, there's no possible way to utilize a chinese tea brewing vessel to "brew coffee with skill". Where in these two characters, 功夫, is the time and technique for brewing tea outlined and codified?
>In China, it refers to any study, learning, or practice that requires patience, energy, and time to complete. In its original meaning, kung fu can refer to any discipline or skill achieved through hard work and practice, not necessarily martial arts (for example, the discipline of tea making is called the Gongfu tea ceremony).
Take your time. Wouldn't want you looking any dumber.

>>16883583
nigger you called it gongfu when you're referring to a brew method that is nothing like gongfu
not gonna read your retarded post -- you were wrong and need to kys

>>16883523
This chick is so dumb she couldn't figure out how to hold a fellow kettle. That's a thumb rest, not a thumb hook. The ergonomics are pretty straight forward.

>>16883606
Define gong fu. Not a tea ceremony. Gong fu.

>>16883616
>Not a tea ceremony. Gong fu.
you have a terminal mentall illness
paying for you, and that some day you will learn to admit you made a mistake

>>16883503
I'm only seeing 1 option on burrs for the q2, would that be the best beginner option?

>>16883710
There are two. I BELIEVE the pentagonal one is the one people are reccing. Do a little googling before you order.

>>16883583
>Where in these two characters, 功夫, is the time and technique for brewing tea outlined and codified?
Debate club nerd detected.

>the other one i'm gonna remove from the table is the Aeropress
Aeretards eternally btfo by coffeesoy
https://youtu.be/ITRcTVZucX4?t=120

>>16883707
The only "skill" in a tea ceremony is stopping the infusion at a suitable time. There is no set correct answer for this, hence the "skill" in determining the time. Sounds like gongfu cupping is 100% a thing. I think I'll have to gongfu a little gushu in my pressurized tea portafilter since the vessel doesn't matter. 5 bars sound about right?

>mentall
>paying for you

The cracks start to show.

>>16883761
didn't read plus your gay
cope and seethe because you lost an internet argument faglord

>>16883769
You thought about my pumi all night fgr.

>>16883784
>not even english
i rest my case shitskin

>>16883797
>The cracks start to show.

Why do people make cold brew coffee? Why not just let your coffee cool down or put it into the freezer?

>>16883827
gongfu some meds

>>16883835
I'm no expert, but that probably kills the flavor. Isn't cold brew ultra concentrated?

>>16883839
Really dreading work tomorrow huh? Gotta get the weekend spergery in quick.

>>16883835
I cannot drink hot coffee even if it were freezing outside I'm taking iced..

Are moka pots good? I've never tried it. Is the coffee it makes good? How does it compare to other coffee?

>>16883863
That's not what they asked.

>>16883710
>>16883728
Its the heptagonal, sorry. This is from some bozo who tried them side by side.

>the heptagonal has way more clarity, more present acid balance. Sweeter.

Pentagonal is supposedly muddier, but easier to find.

>>16883860
>projecting
cope more wagie

>>16883835
I have a big glass dispenser i fill once every 3-5 days. Really low effort.

>>16883870
Well there's no reason to heat it up in the first place. My toddy does it heat free the way it should be

>>16883917
People got upset last time I posted some wallets. I've been advised against it. I haven't worked in years pal. You still holding some doge or what? Maybe you can afford a niche when it pumps.

what in the actual fuck is this abomination? if you gave me a choice between this and stale folgers i would take the folgers every time

>>16883979
>cryptotranny
predictable

>>16883990
most people will never taste this in its raw form because they add cream and sugar to everything, so starbucks keeps getting away with it

>>16877099
this is such bullshit.
There are tons of people who straight up don't consume any caffeine regularly.
Literally none of them have described having a psychedelic experience when they finally do

I love Michael Pollan but I've noticed, and I'm sure he has noticed, that his books sell better when they brush up with psychedelia.

>>16884073
defi dick dangler. Don't get it twisted.

>>16884078
it tastes burned even with lots of cream and sugar.
unfortuately they've been selling it long enough that people are conditioned to think thats what good coffee is supposed to taste like.
This is partly why they have so much brand loyalty, because nobody else makes coffee that tastes quite like the same shit flavor sbux puts out

I used to roast coffee at a *different* major coffee distributor, and the roasters at the company had come to the consensus that many of Sbux dark roasts are quite burned, and because the dark roasts are so burned that the roaster takes on that burned flavor, and every batch they put through that roaster tastes burned.

I think if they cleaned a roaster and only used it for light roast it wouldn't fit their profile so they have to mega-burn a batch just for the flavor.

You guys are making me aware that I'm drinking coffee from this morning. Some dark roast from whole foods with vanilla unsweeted almond milk over ice. Anyone else like to brew their coffee weak so they can drink more

>>16884078
>>16884111
They're called charbucks for a reason. Lotta low quality brazilians roasted dark to mask defects.

>>16883958
you are legit retarded

>>16883607
>implying she knows anything about giving handjobs

>>16884273
Megan Rapinoe's mom gets around, trust me.

I want to buy a machine for making espresso. 150€ tops. what should i get?

>>16884374
get a moka pot and pretend

>>16884398
I already have an aeropress, french and italian.
i was looking for a decent espresso machine.

I happen to love cold brew
Because it spits in the face of all the coffee snobbery.
You don't need to get any of the variables right to have a good cuppa.
grounds to water ratio? doesn't even matter, can be made concentrated no problemo
fine tuned water temp? any refrigerator is fine, you could even just leave it on the counter at room temperature.
Even grind consistancy and bean quality kind of go out the window.
Cold brew always comes out smooth with zero bitterness, stronger than typical hot brewed coffee. Its easy to dilute if its stronger than you'd like, its almost better that way because it pairs with ice so well.
I think the only reason people hate on cold brew is because its usually served cold, and "most" cold coffee has traditionally been hot brewed bitter coffee that tastes like shit when its cold.

its kind of hilarious how effortless and simple cold brew is compared to the level of pedantry amongst coffee enthusiasts.

>>16884423
add another zero to your budget and we’ll talk

>>16884374
more money
A flair and a hand grinder will get you decent results, but you're still looking at 200-300 unless you get them used

>>16884451
your obsession with the fucking flair is becoming a little tiresome you pop up in all these threads and go on like there's no equal to it and it's getting pretty stale

>>16884493
this is the first time I've posted in ctg in like 2 months and the first time i've recommended the flair ever
calm down retard
name a similar result for less money
mokapot is not espresso

>>16884493
>like there's no equal to it
Show me a better option at the price.

>>16884493
>no equal to it
Is this actually true? not that guy but I've been under the assumption the Flair is probably the cheapest way to get actual espresso without going up to the Gaggia Classic tier of pricing.

>>16884374
buy a gun and shoot yourself
it'll be a better experience than any espresso machine in that price range will give you

>>16884493
i wish the m*ds would ban you forever

>>16884634
you are correct -- ignore the retard
9barista is also very good (better imho)

>>16884504
>>16884571
>>16884634
(you) spent three or four threads sperging on about how cum-yourself-coldbrew-fag was samefagging the place up and now you drop this disgusting and obvious display of samefaggotry on us?

what's next? you got some screenshots or photography of your computer screen to show everyone how wrong i am?

>>16884748
See
>>16875617

how do i make the strongest possible coffee without an expresso machine? i only have a teapot

>>16884493
The "obsession" with the flair in /ctg/ comes from the constant stream of retards coming in and asking how they can make espresso for 1/10th the input cost of actually buying a real espresso machine. Every single day some faggot comes in here and asks how they can make perfect cafe quality espresso and milk drinks with a $100 budget and the only thing even close to that is a Flair and hand grinder. Even though the Flair is a piece of shit meme device and I would never recommend anyone actually buy one with the intent to do this, it does technically make espresso and therefore is the cheapest method of making real espresso at home.

>>16884850
C'mon man, now he's going to think you're me.

>>16884834
place coffee grounds in teapot & add water (4 cups of water to 1 cup of ground coffee will make it plenty strong)
cold brew on counter or refrigerator or even outside, if your nights are cool
filter it the next day
have fun cleaning your teapot, but use something more useful next time

>Work in a cafe
>Got called rude by a customer and she pointed her finger at me
People have complained before, but this one hurt me for some reason.

>>16884834
You have no choice but to buy either an aeropress or a flair

>>16884912
fuck em

>>16884834
Buy some cafe du monde and cold brew, hot bloom it for 48 hours

>>16884945
>>16884929
>>16884902
>>16884834
literally just eat the grounds

>>16884912
What did you do this time lad

>>16885026
We close at 4pm and it was three minutes to closing. Woman comes in with her spawn (still making her mind up mid-order) and orders around 20 bucks worth of shit. I am sitting there putting it through the till, but also confirming it since I didn't want to make mistakes. I get accused of rushing her, she calls me rude and storms off saying she'll 'report' me. Im probably leaving soon anyway, but I'd never get sacked for complaints since they cannot find any other workers willing to work there. (for good reason)

What's a good place to order coffee when you're cucknadian?

>>16885046
>Woman comes in with her spawn
No wonder people think you're insufferable
Nochildfaggots are so fucking annoying

>>16885258
Tom Hortons

>>16885336
good one

can't believe that people buy their fucking beans

>>16884720
>9barista is also very good (better imho)
Better build quality, less control, (likely) harder to get parts(economies of scale etc). But it is based, I'll give you that.

>>16885258
49th parallel
Pilot
Structure
Equator
Social
All pretty good

>>16884374
CRM3605

>>16885876
Those seem nice and reasonably priced. Thanks.

>>16885572
yeah, there's pros and cons to both

>>16884748
mental illness, unrepentant
- t. Doctor Anon

>>16884834
>an expresso machine
a what?

why aren't you drinking coffee RIGHT NOW anon?

>>16886095
it doesn't mix well with beer

Is coffee with chicory a cruel meme I'll regret falling for? How does it compare to pure coffee?

>>16886275
no it's so good it'll make you cum. be sure to make it, it's really delicious.

>>16886095
About to. A sunday night speedball sounds nice.

https://www.insidehook.com/article/food-and-drink/cannabis-caffeine-together

>>16886097
couldn't agree with you moar, frogfag
why can't the imperial barrel-aged breakfast-pastry coffee stout crowd seem to figure out it's disgusting combination?

>>16886322
I never thought about adding weed to my coffee before.

>>16886275
>>16886288
Don't forget to cold brew, hot bloom it though

>>16886336
I've kind of wanted to infuse some butter and get lit in the mornings off "bulletproof" espresso but its probably more work than its worth. I'm just going to make a pourover and run some flower through my underdog.
The origami is so fucking aesthetic.

>>16876477
Do all of you anons take it black? And if so, how?
I don't add any cream and sugar but I do usually add a slight amount of whole milk to curb the super strong bitterness of my roommate's coffee. He's the coffee coinosseur, and drinks it black.
He drinks espresso too and likes it, but he says I wouldn't because it's super concentrated.

>>16886960
Forgot to mention, before this point I'd only ever had the powder coffees like folgers and starbucks, my roommate's coffee is a massive improvement in terms of taste because he grinds his beans. But I still need a bit of milk. I believe his beans are for a medium roast.

>>16886960
I feel a bit insulted when my guests don't even want to try it black first. Especially if they've only ever had instant coffee.

>>16886980
I definitely taste any coffee first before I add milk to it, otherwise I wouldn't know how much to add. Taste it periodically as I add too.

anyone owned a eureka mignon silenzio grinder before? saw one on clearance and pretty tempted to grab it to replace my old rancilio rocky.

>>16882285
lol
3-cup a guy here. I admire your tenacity. Chill!

>>16886980
The only thing that offends me is those artificially flavored corn syrup "creamers". Those are for shit coffee that have bad or no flavor. Milk and cream are fine. Not a fan of sugar, but I guess some people like it. If I catch somebody putting flavored fake creamer in my coffee I just stop giving them coffee. They can go buy Folgers or Starbucks. Lost causes.

Imagine being such a spineless cuck that you let your guests adulterate your coffee with milk or cream. If you went into a michelin starred restaurant and asked for ketchup for your steak they would kick your dumbass out, so why should you permit plebes to ruin expensive coffee?

>>16876477
No matter what i do my coffee tastes burnt and watery. How do i fix this? currently got a french press and some pre ground beans

>>16888468
Overextracted weak piss water coffee? Use more beans

>>16888468
>pre ground beans

>>16888571
And if there's anything I've learned as a doctor, his French press is single-walled glass.

>>16876477
Ok nigs: Burr or Blade grinders?
Cost no object of course.
Got my eyes on a nice braun burr grinder for pennies on the dollar and I wanna know if burr is a meme.

>>16888588
Blade is good for grinding spices and not much else.
Burr is consistent. Expensive burr is even more consistent. Excessively expensive burr might give you an even greater edge over the competition, but it is essential for proving your worth as a true espresso meme lord and pissing contest winner.

>>16888538
I was using a guide that said do 8 grams for every 4oz of water

>>16888571
i aint gonna be buying 100 lbs of beans to try every possible style of grinding them myself
>>16888580
does that really make a difference?

>>16888468
>burnt
use lighter roast

>watery
use more grounds

>>16888635
>does that really make a difference
he doesn't know...

>>16888620
Old Billy Fivehead over there.

>>16888635
>i aint gonna be buying 100 lbs of beans to try every possible style of grinding them myself
you're so fucking retarded you deserve bad coffee

>>16888620
Thanks for the meme answer really helps to separate the meme from the legit.

>>16888724
because i dont want to try a shot load of grinding methods? ok nigger

>>16888754
nobody tell him

>>16888747
there's some good information in there if you weren't too retarded to find it

sometimes your paying for quality
sometimes your paying for looks

wisdom is knowing what value is without someone else telling you how to feel

>>16888635
just get an aeropress retard
n84kt

>>16888580
>And if there's anything I've learned as a doctor, his French press is single-walled glass.
NOOOOO THIS IS HECKIN FAKE NEWSERINO YOU'RE SPREADING MISINFORMATION YOU'RE LITERALLY A DOMESTIC TERRORIST

Just received my Melodrip meme device that I ordered after it was shilled here. What do I think of it so far?

>>16888925
that you should return it and give me the money

>>16888928
It was only $33.17. Are you poor or something?

>>16888929
who turns down a free 30 bucks? give it here

>>16888932
Too late I already opened it and rubbed my cock all over it. It's non-refundable now.

>>16888935
fool coffee with a hint of smegma is on the rise. You've only increased its value

I'm getting a metric fuckload of fines with my encore, any way to fix it?

Thinking of putting one of those time delay drip coffee machines on my nightstand so the coffee is done before the alarm clock. Thoughts?

Ok got my first decent hand grinder. How am I supposed to keep it clean? Can I wash it out with hot water? or do I have to use the little brush every time? How often do I clean it?

>>16888468
>burnt
lower temp water
>watery
more grounds or less water

>>16889044
>Can I wash it out with hot water?
Yes. Make sure to soak it in soap water overnight and let it air dry in order to season it too. You can use some bleach if it gets really dirty.

>>16888468
>burnt and watery
>pre ground beans

>>16889058

>>16889067
>GRINDER COMPANIES HATE HIM!!!

>>16888998
drink turkish

>>16888998
Grind more coarsely?

>>16888998
No lol

>>16884945
kek

>>16883990

This is my daily. Get at me, nerds.

>>16888116
There's nothing wrong with real milk or cream, soyboy. Every good restaurant has it.

>>16889044
Brush out what you can reach every time. Break it down and clean the burrs with brushes, Q-tips, and paper towels every once in a while. Never, ever use water. You can rust the steel.

>tfw my mom bought me a blade grinder
bros...

>>16889511
sounds like you got a dope spice grinder. time to learn to cook some curry,

>>16883092
Mainly because heating milk past a certain temperature does irreparable damage to the milk molecules that makes it taste like shit. The same can be seen when you burn butter.

>>16888925
Did you buy some cafec whites off the site too? I've got too many packs of mediums to buy any more :/
>>16888998
Buy a better grinder or buy a sifter lol.
>>16888588
Burr. Don't buy that braun junk though, unless you think you can flip it to someone dumber than you.

>>16889995
What's wrong with em'? Something like a KG 7070 isn't good enough ? Why?

>>16890012
try it and find out
don’t forget to enjoy the voyage

>>16890012
1. Its a false burr grinder. 2. Just think. You're after good burrs. Thats the actual functional part of the machine. For their msrp of $80, what% of the cost is going into burrs, and what % of the cost is going towards plastic molding and a shitty motor+adjustment mechanism.

https://prima-coffee.com/learn/article/grinder-basics/learn-whats-deal-false-burrs/32642

>>16890012
>Cost is no object
>Why isn't the cheapest electric pseudoburr grinder good just as good as a real burr grinder????
I am convinced /ctg/ is getting raided or something, there is absolutely no reason for there to be such a dense concentration of retards here

>>16888998
I got the m2 burr upgrade, and it reduced fines quite a bit.

>>16890074
Ok nigga stop being a smartass. I know this is coffee time general and therefore basically fag general but you don't have to act like this.

>>16890084
Thank you for being the first person who gave me an actual answer for anything. Thanks for the link but calling it a false burr is moronic. It IS a burr, just a shit one. I also find hilarious that you think a piece of machined steel like this is worth more than 5 bucks. Plastic molding and motors are basically free too. A properly made grinder should barely reach 30 dollars in total manufacturing costs. At 80$ it is more than reasonable to expect decent quality. Manufacturers are just absolute jews (much more than I expected) and you guys are willing to put up with crazy inflated prices that allow them to make a shitton of money of f their massive margins. But then I guess I will have to put up with them too so joke's on me.

Thank you very much anyways I will aim for something higher end.

>>16890136
Choke on cock. If I had to ask which was better I obviously didn't know what is good.
Dumbass.

>>16890170
>If I had to ask which was better I obviously didn't know what is good.
That has nothing to do with what I said you retarded monkey. The point is that you come in here claiming that cost is no issue and then you whine and ask why the cheapest, shittiest "burr" grinder you can find isn't good enough. If cost really is no issue then you would have just bought a Niche or a Sette and not even bothered asking such a retarded question. It should be plainly fucking obvious to anyone with an IQ higher than 70 that a burr is going to do a better job grinding than a blade.

>>16890217
You fucking autist. That was a genuine question as in "what the difference and why these are not a good choice and or why not this one in particular" and guess fucking what this guy >>16890084 gave a great answer with the link beyond the usual "its cheap garbage" and steered me in the right direction. Also considering how cheap most blade grinders are a braun sounds expensive to a newbie which I am. I literally have no fucking idea what those brands you mentioned are. You are so deep in your coffee elitism that you couldn't even entertain the notion that somebody may simply not know.

Now I know a little bit more and purchase something better. Fuck you.

>>16890262
How about you learn to do your own research and lurk instead of asking dumbass questions like that and then having an autistic meltdown when you get called a retard. Go buy some useless crap and then come back here to complain about it so that I can make fun of your dumb newfag ass some more.

>>16890170
>Ok nigga stop being a smartass. I know this is coffee time general and therefore basically fag general but you don't have to act like this.
if you act like a nigger you get niggardly responses
kys and lurk more

>>16890170
>If I had to ask which was better I obviously didn't know what is good.
you reinforce his point that you are retarded beyond salvation

>>16890170
>>16890262
Imagine posting and then getting mad when you get replies.
I think ribbit is more your speed, friend.

>>16890170
>A properly made grinder should barely reach 30 dollars in total manufacturing costs. At 80$ it is more than reasonable to expect decent quality.
Are you serious? Do you have like, zero background knowledge of precise machining? Look at the geometry of this 98mm ssp burr. Now a second one has to be manufactured e x a c t l y to spec to fit with it. They're not copypasting some files to 3d printers. If its fucked up or gets installed misaligned(like screws into untapped plastic supports in a shit tier grinder) its going to change the grind distribution.
Why is that important? Pieces of coffee of different sizes are going to extract at different times. You understand when you're grilling the smaller pieces cook first and will burn if you leave them on the heat? Same shit. Coffee is brown bean water when its in your mug, but theres no way you can argue its not chemistry when its being made. Your food tastes better and gets prepared quicker when you're working with a sharp knife.
>>16890136
This is what chicory coffee does to threads.
>>16890217
>money is no object
>I've got about $30 to blow and I'm not going a dollar higher
Noone tell him about the melodrip.

>>16890318
>>A properly made grinder should barely reach 30 dollars in total manufacturing costs. At 80$ it is more than reasonable to expect decent quality.
Genuinely wondering if this is the "you can make every IBA cocktail with a set of shakers (which should cost no more than $5), some lemons, and bourbon" guy from like a month ago

Jesus Christ…sure is reddit in here

>>16890425
no, this is 4channel

>>16890318
>2021
>not grinding all your coffee by hand with ceramic for under 20$

>>16890170
>calling it a false burr is moronic. It IS a burr, just a shit one. I also find hilarious that you think a piece of machined steel like this is worth more than 5 bucks. Plastic molding and motors are basically free too. A properly made grinder should barely reach 30 dollars in total manufacturing costs. At 80$ it is more than reasonable to expect decent quality.
you are so retarded it causes me physical pain

>>16886097
This. Coffee is coffee and beer is beer. Both are delicious and I prefer to enjoy them on their own. Mixing them just makes both feel like cheap additives

>>16890536
My postgrinder for pot cost 2.25x that.

https://youtu.be/_50eokki8LQ

>>16890318
>This is what chicory coffee does to threads.

Yup. I move we divide the next /ctg/ thread into chickory coldbrew general /ccg/ and non-meme coffee gear general /nmcgg/

>>16890870
The guy thinks he's fucking Heston Blumenthal so I vote for coffee time general and failed aromatic gastronomy.

>>16890935
second!

>>16884912
I got fired from McDonald's, stop complaining faggot

>>16883835
Different style of brewing. It has an extremely rich and syrupy texture. It's also pretty hard to fuck up. 10 seconds too far and you ruin an espresso, it'd take 10 hours for cold brew. Personally though yeah I'd prefer ice in an espresso or a v60 brew but each to their own

>>16890170
It's not that simple to make a good grinder but I agree that most grinders are overpriced.
Also that site is the only one calling these thing "false burrs". They coined that term apparently, anyone using that term links to that exact article every time.

>>16892096
Also called block burrs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEU4YOvd3as

>>16892096
With how efficient we are at engineering, you'd think we'd have pretty good cheap grinders by now.

>>16876501
im a zoomer, its my first time in a coffee thread, im high, im binging jontron on my other monitor. when i make a big coldbrew and pour it into my big cup thing and plop my big ice cubes into it before sunrise, i feel good and like i can tackle the day head on

>>16892246
Some Chinese manufacterers are making exceptionally well-machined coffee grinders for pretty low prices. Same with electronics, tools, camera lenses, etc. It's almost unbelievable. They can make really good stuff if they want to, but also really bad stuff. Tides are turning in general, though. Paradigm shift incoming.