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>1. what ever is most expensive and hardest to find, but within reason so /ck/ doesn’t think I’m lying
>2. something slightly below that
>3. something relatively affordable so I don’t seem like some idiot who just thinks more expensive is more better

<additional quip to start argument regarding adding water or preference on serving temp>

>>16815883
>t.sour bastard with low tier bantz

>>16815861
Price fluctuations are too big for any such list to be stable.

Currently in my shelf I have a Glenlivet Nadurra ($100AUD), Smokehead High Voltage ($90, likely Caol Ila), and Tomatin 8 Bourbon & Sherry (1L, $100). Which were all absolute fucking steals.

>>16815883
>what ever is most expensive and hardest to find
Independent bottlings are almost always better, more expensive, and rarer.
>more expensive is more better
If you consider opportunity cost, more expensive isn't better. Diminishing returns kick in early, any 18 year old bottle needs to be twice as good as a 12 year old and you can get fucked past that.

>Talisker 10
Best with cigars
>Laphroaig quarter cask
I just like it
>Bladnoch samsara
Legit tastes like chocolate and raspberries also it's cheaper than both of the above bottles.

>>16816067
Yeah but “worth it” and “return on cost” is relative.
I’m certain the people who can buy those high-age bottlings of rare whiskies without blinking an eye would say it’s quite worth it.

>>16816150
Aren't you at the point where you don't care about money at all by then? If whisky was half the price I would not be buying twice as expensive stuff.

>>16816079
>also it's cheaper
Over 50% more expensive here. Bladnoch is not a cheap brand.

>>16816183
I can get it for $60 in Texas. It makes no sense to me either.

>>16816201
>I can get it for $60 in Texas
what a waste, spic

>>16815861

> Ardbeg Uigeadail
> Highland Park 12
> Caol Ila 12

gimme that campfire peat

also just got a bottle of Del Bac Distiller's Cut (Fall 2020) and it is incredible, tastes like a barbecue

>>16815861
Ledaig 10 is super fucking underrated and I hope it stays that way for as long as possible so it doesn't get more expensive

Dubs buys my next whiskey
Nothing ridiculously expensive

>>16816980
The knot Whiskey Liqueur. Its terrible

>>16816980
Laphroaig

>>16817000
Trips for truth

>>16816980
4 roses

>>16816980
Wild Turkey 101

>>16817000
OwO what's this

>>16817213

>>16815861
Daily reminder that scotch is debased due to overconsumption and has no true terroir.

The barley and grain come from overseas, from as far away as Egypt and Brazil. The malting is done offsite. The peat is harvested from different parts of Britain. The majority of major distilleries are owned by multinational corporations (Diageo primarily). You are paying a premium good marketing from corporations. There is no controlled appellation for scotch besides being distilled and bottled in Scotland.

Stop being consoomers.

>>16817223
What manchildren who need everything to be overtly, sickly sweet think a whiskey should be. Probably the same kind of hipster who eats childrens' cereal

The Knot is an atrocity. and this is coming from a guy with a sweet tooth

>>16816942
>deliberately mentions thing in thread
>ironically wants thing to stay unnoticed

>>16817618
You're also paying for regulations and relative predictability of what you can expect buying at a certain price point. I'm not disagreeing with you, but if scotch is overpriced then what's the smart buy?

laphroaig is a meme and doesn't taste better than jameson

>>16818357
Everything tastes better than jameson

>>16815861
tyrconnell
glenlivet founder's reserve
t. poor

Bought a bottle of this 7 years ago out of national pride
Now it's supposedly too pricey for me to comfortably open, so it's turned into an ornament next to the rotating bottles of cheaper stuff

>>16818263
you need a bigger grain of salt with that other poster, he's an obvious bourbon shill. you can still buy scotch that is independently owned and made with scottish barley peated on site. Diageo a shit, yes, but all scotch a shit, no because while the trend has been picking back up due to the internet. while companys are still dragging their feet with the chill filtering and coloring and lame gimmicks you should probably be buying some now before the 20-30% global inflation rolls out delaying the crash another half decade or so. it doesnt help chinks, gooks, and poos are buying up tons around the world leaving gaps in the market.

>>16818357
>oog strong. oog think Laphroaig and Jameson taste same *drools*

>>16817618
And that is why you drink laphroaig.

What should I get as a good introduction into whiskies? Thinking between Wild Turkey 101 or Glenmorangie 10? Is picrel any good or just a meme?
>>16816067
I kind of like the sound of Islay whiskies. How much do they differ from the standard ones? Would getting an Ardbeg, Laphroaig or Smokehead as a first be a bad idea?

>>16817618
>her liquor store doesn't have scotch from small family owned distilleries

lol

>>16818683
>Thinking between Wild Turkey 101 or Glenmorangie 10?
Well, first you should decide whether you want to dip your toe into bourbon whiskies or scotch whiskies. I presume you've already ruled out Canadian and Irish.

>>16816980
check em

>>16815861
>old pulteney
>caol ila
>johnny walker black

I'm not huge on scotch but
>Deanston 12
>Laphroaig 10
>Glenfiddich 14

Just bought Glenlivet 23, which is pretty fucking nice.

>>16819024
*Glenfarclas 23
I'm an idiot, sorry.

>>16818848
>ruled out Canadian and Irish
No, not at all, I would like to try out as much as possible. I know some basic differences in their production but that's it. I would probably lean more towards the scotch whiskies, where the smokiness sounds nice. Although I have no idea whether I will like it or not, so I just want to work my way up.

>>16819097
Glenfiddich 12, it's not smokey but it's a good introduction single malt scotch.
If you want something that is smokey but not too overwhelming for someone new like an Islay, Highland Park 12 is a good choice.

>>16819112
>Highland Park 12 Viking Honour
Not a big fan of Vikings or the slightly overdesigned bottle but I will give it a try. Thank anon :)

>>16817618
>caring about anything beyond taste/smell
why?

>>16816980
this one

I hate scotch and think it's for faggots with no taste.
That being said, I mainly drink bourbon and pic related is my favorite and go-to spirit every single weekend. I love rye, and I love my whiskey sours, what can I say.

Any thoughts on this?

>>16817618
You can't even tell the difference when eating egyptian or brazilian barley directly, don't try to tell me you can taste the difference in distilled alcohol form

>>16819725
Hit or miss like most single barrels, but when it hits it really hits. My go-to for a nice bourbon without spending a crazy amount

>>16815861
>Bunnahabhain 12
>Lagavulin 16
>glenrothes 18

Not Scotch
>Redbreast 15 and 12 are quite good

>>16819812
Regular go-tos are bruchladdich classic laddie, and balvenie 12yr double wood.

>finish the drink with a spray of rye whiskey
what the fuck does this mean? is this equivalent to a splash, or am I actually supposed to have an atomizer on top of my rye?

>>16819895
>implying everyone here doesn't drink all their whiskey neat

>not one mention of Oban or Clynelish
your all shit and you're taste is shit
in no particular order
>Oban 14
>Clynelish 14
>Yamazaki 12

>>16820168
>Oban or Clynelish
both are Diageo hence filtered as fuck and added a ton of a150. and since you've mentioned Yamazaki 12 - this makes you a double faggot. now grab the biggest wobbling dragon dildo and stick it up the ass without any lube just as you like it

>>16820168
Oban is overpriced and boring. The 12CS might be good but the standard 14 is just an ok whisky thats priced double what its worth.
Clynelish is good tho. Probably the best high quality Diageo distillery with Blair Athol and Caol Ila not too far behind.

I got memed in to buying Johnnie Walker Black. Was told it was a decent blend and was sippable. Fuck that, this shit is so harsh. The scotch flavors are there, and the nose is pretty good, but damn it leaves a lot to be desired on taste. Wish it didn't feel like I was swallowing a spiked ball.

>>16816942
It's now overrated. Besides, it's sharp as fuck and in the same price bracket as Ardbeg. There's even a Ledaig focused blend (the 6 isles) that is itself better than the single malt because they've managed to blend out that sharpness.

Would not recommend, nor be concerned about upcoming popularity.

>>16817618
>has no true terroir
>Stop being consoomers
You're the one that's bought in.

>>16818683
I'd caution you against being cheap, and recommend you go to a whisky bar instead of gambling away your interest on one bottle.
Glenmorangie is marked as a starting point because it basically has no flavor, resulting in a neater chart.
For scotch I'd say try something light and complex (Dalwhinnie 15), something smoky (Ardbeg 10) and something sherried (Glenmorangie Lassanta / Quinta Ruben).
I can't speak to bourbon besides at the low end where it can actually compete (not that I'm American).

>>16819907
No, no, no. We're not pretentious.
I think I can speak for all of /ck/ when I say we endorse pouring your water into your finished glencairn for that whisky enhanced water experience.
Not to be confused with dilution, a disgusting practice.

>>16820168
Not exactly value for money whiskies anon.
Swap the Clynleish for the 50% GoT edition, the Oban for something with intensity, and the Yamazaki for something worth at least half its cost.

>>16820255
the only decent Johnny Walker is The Green Lable (and Islay Green)

>>16820580
The green is shockingly bad considering what goes into it. Literally every single malt in there better despite them being younger.

The only actually good JW is blue, but it's not worth the price.

My favorite thus far is glen ord

>>16820255
its fucking weird how something with 40% can drink like its bonded bourbon

>>16820396
6 Isles is good shit. neck pour is a little underwhelming, but it opens up after a couple drams and a couple days. I've diluted up to 2 parts water to 1 part whiskey and it never got better than bottle strength. I wouldnt even say its particularly strong peat, just alot of vegetal/spice and leather nuances and very light sweetness.

>>16820449
>not cleaning your glencairn with more whisky
ishiggirousdigours

>>16820920
>I wouldnt even say its particularly strong peat
Last time I had it I was at a dinner party saying "is that a smoker? he should've smoked the ham" like a complete fucking dunce.

>>16820937
That sounds like blending to me.

Thoughts on these?

>>16821669
abunadh is a good sherry bomb, the nip ridiculously overpriced, redbreast is a good irish whiskEy with both prons and cons of that (has a grain content, Micks are greedy bastards)

>>16821680
thanks

>>16821669
3 good whisk(e)ys that are at various levels of being overpriced
15/A'bunadh for sub 80 and Hakushu for sub 100 are fair prices to buy at, otherwise steer clear

>>16821669
>buying imported Japanese whisky at shelf price
If you put on some slutty clothing and stood around in your local Chinatown at 2AM, I'm sure you could find a Japanese man willing to roughly sodomize you.
Why let him do it in broad daylight at a package store?

>>16821693
And the aberlour?

>>16821695
>buying imported Japanese whisky at shelf price
the funny thing is nips own a lot of scottish distilleries, take barrels of already aged whisky, ship it up to japan, bottle with their own label and sell with x5 the price of the original scotch. I dont know who are the most greedy bastards Micks or Nips but in my book nips win big times.

What's everyone's take on Basil Hayden's Bourbon?
Bought a bottle yesterday, opened it today.
Not super sweet, pretty smooth, and a little spice at the end.
I like it myself, but I am far from a whiskey snob seeing as the most expensive bottle I've ever bought was Rendezvous Rye from High West.

>>16821669
Had the 12 it was bad and extremely overpriced.
Want to try.
Great. Really intense. Not quite as fruity as you'd expect and a little bit boozy. The predominant flavor is probably wood glue. Ironically the Alba is even better, and even sweeter.

>>16821680
>sherry bomb
That phrase gets thrown around too often. It means intense sherry flavour, but you and everyone else use it to mean intense sherry claims made by the distiller. Glenfarclas 105 or Glenlivet Nadurra are much more sherry forward. North Star has a few great sherry bottlings. Benromach Sherry.
>overpriced
All the CS 100% sherry matured whiskies cost just as much.

>>16821881
they cost the same in your liquor store but arent actually equally priced.

>>16816287
>laughs in good whisky

Cry harder bitch.

>>16822011
keep bumping my thread, moron

>>16821902
Why, because they're different prices in your liquor store?

>>16822041
no, because they are different prices in duty free. the only shop that sells without local taxing added and whatever price your local retailer wants to sell it.

>>16815861
glendronach 12 or 15 is my go to

>>16822087
Every bottle sold nation wide incurs the same tax. It causes price variance.
And duty free retailers still charge whatever price they want.
Besides, all you've done is move the goalposts to your duty free.

>>16822161
It causes price no variance.

>>16822161
I know, distilleries in scotland pay taxes right after they get the distilation finished, all is put on the count, right in the pipe. my point is they get same taxation but the price is different (costs of production is very different, GF105 uses cheaper barrels than Abunadh for example), thats my point. Abunads actually costs x2 the price of GF105, no jokes. if you get your GF105 with the same price this means your local retailer fucks you bad.

>>16821718
>What's everyone's take on Basil Hayden's Bourbon?
Artificially overhyped brand.

>>16822182
Interesting, I wouldn't have said that Abundha's barrels are particularly good (not that 105's are either, I've never come across a sherried whisky with such a short finish).

Anyway I don't think cost of production actually impacts price that much. Otherwise we'd see 18 year olds a couple of dollars more expensive than twelve year olds, not double the price.

>>16822337
>Anyway I don't think cost of production actually impacts price that much
it does and doesnt at the same time, depends on various factors. angels share is a thing in some warehouses, sometimes - isnt. quality barrels do cost a lot, a sherry cask goes for 500 euros for example. american ex bourbon +-200 euros. time cost a lot, because it not just sit in the warehouse for free. +when you want to make out of local barley it will cost you a lot more and many many other factos. but yeah, you wont believe me but the last time I bouth a litre bottle of GF105 a little over a year ago, it costed my 25 euros for a litre bottle, when 0.7 abundha (cant recal the exact batch) costed almost 60 euros.

>>16818683
>Is picrel any good or just a meme?
That's a Scotch intro chart.

This is a better starter, but only if you're in the US. The whiskey value chart.

>>16821718
>What's everyone's take on Basil Hayden's Bourbon?

It's on this list of the Top 5 Worst Bourbons.
http://youtu.be/Q34hiUNAWn4

1. Laphroaig CS
2. ardbeg uigeadail
3. Hakushu 12

>>16822462
Yeah, the farther I got into my glass the less I liked it. I mean, it wasn't bad, but not as good as my go too whiskeys.

>>16822367
>a sherry cask goes for 500 euros for example
We're up to 1.4 euros per 700ml bottle.
I'm told rental costs are in the cents per year range. Call that a pessimistic 0.5 euro.
I checked the current barely price, that's less than 0.25 euros per bottle.

So a 30 year old whisky's BOM cost is: 16.65 euros + the bottle itself.

>it costed my 25 euros for a litre bottle
Tax on it here is 31.46 Euro. What a steal.

>>16822768
You also have to take the cost of shipping those things into account.

>>16820432
I definitely dont want to cheap out on this. I found some in my area, most of the small ones look like pubs but focus on scotch while the big one is more of a restaurant. I will need to visit them beforehand anyway, so many things closed down during this time and few update their websites.
Its probably a good idea but I just dont want walk in there completely clueless. So for now I am looking for whiskies that I know should be at least decent. And if I dont like it, I will just pass it to family who will then pour it out on a gathering.
>>16822417
I saw this chart aswell. Wanted to try Old Grand-dad but could only find 86 around here, Rare Breed would probably be too strong for me, dont like the cheeky banana in Mellow Corn and I saw Wild Turkey mentioned more than Evan Williams so I went with it even through both are supposed to be very good.

>>16820191
>both are filtered and colores
they're also good so why should I care?
>liking nip whisky makes you gay
no u
>>16820229
Oban 14 is €40 here and has been for the last 10 years at least, there's hardly any decent scotch cheaper than that
>>16820457
ah yes, I should get around to trying the GoT Clynelish
>Yamazaki is overpriced
sadly it is, but the last bottle I bought years ago wasn't

you people see memes everywhere

Never been into scotch before. Thought about trying Dalwhinnie 15, Glenfiddich 12 or Highland 12. What does /ck/ recommend?

>>16822337
Are you blaming the casks for you underaged NAS shit?