/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>16737727
Pace yourself OP, that shit comes at you like a Mack truck.

Today I got a store pick of Woodford Reserve double oak
never had double oak, and have had pretty bad luck with store picks in the past so I'm cautiously optimistic; this is also my first finished bourbon, I've put off this style for long enough
also I'm drinking henry mckenna 10

>>16737727
Evan Williams and Arizona RX Relax tea. In a vain attempt at fighting my persistent insomnia.

who here /drink johnny walker red label cause its one of the cheapest whiskys and get drunk alone/

>>16737880
Same but Jim beam

>>16737880
Basically this, but Alberta Premium.

Finally tried Maker's Mark. For $20, it isn't bad at all, but not very complex. A little annoyed at the lack of a cork, though. To me, it's not whiskey if i doesn't have a cork.

>>16737727
Been sipping on some Bulliet, pretty good for the price point, only $22 for a 750.

>>16738144
I like their rye. Fairly cheap, 95% rye mash, pleasant mild taste

>>16738140
Their specialty offerings like Makers 46 and Single Cask have those fake corks with the plastic tops. Is your $20 a 750ml?

>>16738169
>Is your $20 a 750ml?
Yep.
My local store also has a Store Select maker's mark that seems interesting. It focuses on roasty, charred staves that appeal to me, and against the typical maker's profile I can imagine would be pretty great. $70 for bourbon stops me in my tracks, though

>>16738154
I think that'll be my next bottle. The bourbon isn't bad, certainly sweeter than I expected.

>>16738179
The rye isn't sweet but isn't harsh at all either. Reminds me of marshmallow root. Tastes great neat or in a manhattan and doesn't cost too much. Let us know what you think when you try it

>>16738140
Makers mark is the best cheap bourbon imo.

>>16737727
The past two weeks I went to the food store, Wild Turkey 101 has been out of stock.

It's one of the largest liquor stores in North Houston, I refuse to believe it's just a stocking issue.

They had plenty of 80 proof Turkey, which is shit.

Hold me, bros, I'm afraid they're trying to get rid of the 101. It's one of my favorite bottles, nothing compares. There's something special in it that wrecks your shit because I can drink Old Granddad 114 and go to work the next day, but if I drink 101, I've got to spend a half hour trying to find my phone and then cringing that I created an OKCupid profile and contacted a bunch of hoes.

I really, really hope they aren't about to do away with it.

>>16738214
I drink 101 because it's what John Wayne drank

I like a belt of the Old Grand Dad

>>16737880
https://youtu.be/HsixXCnYVfA

>>16738299
its not your fault

This one is quite underwhelming. I'm dragging my feet trying to finish it so I can go get something else. It isn't undrinkable or anything but man, what a letdown ..

>>16738302
MATT DAMON

>>16737880
yes, but for me it's kessler.

>>16738231
Damn fucking straight.

It's the best common bourbon and it separates the people that love John Wayne from the faggots.

>>16738288
OGD is the best bourbon and I will fight anyone that says otherwise. 114 is cool when you're sad, but the BiB 100 proof is the best bottle. Oddly enough because of weird competition between liquor stores, the 114 is cheaper by more than $5 near me, so I usually go for that and get ultra-fucked up.

Nice digits, brother.

I lasted a good few days with only a single beer time to reward myself by getting piss drunk

>>16738348
>>16738231
my grandpa named my dad after him (but called him wayne john)
gonna start drinking 101

I found some hennesey whiskey someone didn't want and I washed the bottle. it has about 1/4 left in 375 ml bottle, and I'm gonna drink it on halloween

pic related

me old pa bought me a bottle of 11 yr cask strength glen scotia its pretty alrigt

on my 5th or 6th pour of Johnny Black and man... its like the most okayist scotch ive ever had. leaves my mouth dry but with no flavor, its annoying and the nose has become pretty flat and virtually flavorless, ice is nice but water did nothing :/

been looking everywhere for anything Campbeltown for a couple months and its all gone. Glendronach was supposed to arrive at the start of the month and its allegedly "not even left the boat yet" so maybe closer to November for that. But birthday is soon so I'm picking up a few bottles in the next few days/weeks time. Was thinking about getting a bottle of Old Forester 100, Deanston Virgin Oak and Naked Grouse to blend together as an experiment if I cant get ahold of any "trophies".

Bunch of bottom shelf bitches in here

>>16738374
bonded is the best bib bourbon for the value
Evan Williams just isn't as good
God I wish Basil Hayden had a cask strength version

>>16738680
based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqqC1uk8KJI&t=17s

It’s spelled whiskey

>>16737858
>Woodford Reserve double oak
's OK. Better than their regular, but nothing great. It's a decent crowd-pleaser though.
>>16738009
>Jim beam
Unless you're really poor, this is awful. I do like the ads with Mila Kunis, though.
>>16738140
>Maker's Mark. For $20, it isn't bad at all, but not very complex
Perfect review. It's OK, and cheap. Good for mixing, makes a decent manhattan.
>>16738288
>Old Grand Dad
Good, solid choice. The low-rye mashbill can be a little bland, but for a mass-produced bourbon, you could do much worse.

For me, it's been the Old Forester line lately. The Original Batch and Prohibition style are top-notch.

What are some good bourbons with a heavy char and leather flavor profile?

H

>>16739897
Beam isn't awful it's good for what it is. Better then Jack Daniels

>>16738759
That’s cognac, anon. Not whiskey.

I picked up a bottle of this a couple weeks ago, and it’s really nice. Lots of caramel, cherries and orange on the palate. Finishes with some tobacco and nuttiness. Surprised by how much I like it.

>>16737727
Best whiskey is pic related

I hate myself

>>16740658
The name and bottle of that screams I'm a balding hipster fsggot

This shit right here used to be 25-30 bucks and tasted better than most of the stuff on higher shelves. Then I went around telling everyone about it. Now that shit comes in a box and costs like 50 a bottle. God dammit. I miss this lil nigga like ya'll wouldn't believe but I also don't have a whiskey collection anymore.

Whiskey makes me fucking puke. I think my body dislikes the smokey wood particles.

>>16741175
drink wheated bourbon, makers mark, larceny

>>16737727
For me it's old grandad, the shittiest of the shitty

Evil Evan or bust
I'm here to get drunk, not look like a hipster

>>16737727
Tonight it's beer because I have things to do at noon. Tomorrow though, the maple flavored knob creek. Fuck, it's heavenly.

>>16740658
>Pappy
Yes, it's good. Nearly transcendentally so. But the chase isn't worth it. 300 or more per shot is idiotic.
There are plenty of bourbon on the same level for far less cost.

>>16737727
>what are you drinking tonight
Beer. 6 pack.

>>16738140
dogshit. burn in hell

>>16737727
Wild Turkey 101. Featured on the /ck/ whiskey value pentagram.

Personally I prefer OGD114 and Evan Williams BiB 100 proof. If I can't find OGD114 or EW BiB, I'll get WT101.

>>16742662
OP here, cheers man. I just got around to opening my bottle of Wild Turkey 101 tonight. I'm listening to RATT and enjoying the whole fuck out of pretty much everything.

It's a great drink. I finished my bottle of Buffalo Trace last night, so that's my point of comparison. I also sip Woodford Reserve and a bunch of Japanese whiskies because >4chan. Anyway, the Wild Turkey is very, very clean. It's got a cherry note for sure. Other than that, a clean burn and a smooth taste. Might try it with cola tomorrow.

>>16737727
i bought a bottle of suntory toki last night because i want to try some different sub 90 aud whiskeys. i mostly drink islay stuff neat or with a few drops of water. i think it's pretty good for the price. i've only had a small handful of american whiskey and it's all been around the price point of that wild turkey. nothing has beaten it
>>16738140
the screw lid instead of cork annoys me a lot about makers mark, lol. it doesn't feel as nice to open at alla0wgj

>>16737739
I finally opened the bottle and had 3 conservative pours. This hit me a lot harder than buffalo trace and now I have a slight hangover. I wasn't expecting it but I remembered your warning. Thanks buddy, I dodged the temptation to have another one and fuck up my day.

What do you guys do/listen to when you're drinking? I was watching RATT videos last night.

Whiskey, the soyboys delight

>tfw """accidentally""" drank an entire bottle of jim beam rye last night
This is why I don't buy big bottles...

>>16744337
just have self control

>>16744337
how do you feel today and what's your hangover cure? I'd have full blown AIDS if I drank half of that

whiskey has the best hangovers
fuck vodka and gin
good ole WT

>>16737727
imagine drinking whisky when rum exists lmao

>>16744940
What rums you drink?

>>16744816
I'm not hungover but feel tired. My go to for a hangover is a shot and smoking a bowl

>>16744940
>imagine drinking rum when ethanol exists lmao
God damn alcoholics, i swear.

>>16737727
Tonight I'm drinking wild Turkey 101, Woodinville rye and an assortment of German beers.
After the beers and a variety of different kinds of bourbon sours I'll probably just going to move into shots.

>>16740523
I genuinely like dalmore but I hate their marketing gimmick and the fact that they price themselves way above everything else in their age range

>>16740658
the rye is unironically spectacular, but it's all just old BT stock now so not even the same whiskey it once was

>>16738144
I fucking hate their company, not because of the taste of the price or anything but because they try and market themselves as this official Bourbon and rye company that's been around for hundreds of years and how it's the secret authentic Southern family recipe but they don't even make their fucking liquor it's a mass produced in a factory that makes multiple other whiskeys

>>16737727
>>16744940
what's a good whiskey for someone who likes rum?

>>16737727
i got $60 to blow and i've never had a whisky before. what should i go out and try?

>>16740658
Yes, Pappy is good (15yr is the best one), but nowhere near the price of admission unless you can get it at retail. Also William Larue Weller is the best buffalo trace product hands down

Any malort bros itt?

>>16745165
>scotch/irish
Glenfiddich 14
Glenmorangie Quinta Ruban
Redbreast 12

>bourbon
Woodford Double Oak
Maker's Mark private select
Russel's Reserve Single Barrel

>>16737727
Does anyone have any good recs for super briney or iodine-y scotch?

>>16745227
Longrow, Ledaig, Old Pulteney

>>16745227
Laphroaig 10 (more iodine than salt)
Talisker 10 (more salt than iodine)
Caol Ila 12

If tomorrow all alcohol stopped getting you drunk or giving you a buzz but had the exact same taste would you still drink it?

If you answer no, then you're an alcoholic.

>>16744989
I haven't had many rums but captain morgan private stock is the best to mix with coke. Even though it's probably loaded with added sugar and coloring

>>16745616
They would probably still drink it for the harshness

>>16744940
THIS
I tried whiskeys and it was very strange. bourbon was horrible

>>16745616
I drink 1, maybe two drinks a day. Not enough to even get a buzz. So, yes I would still have a couple beers or a couple drinks at the end of the day.

>>16745616
>if tomorrow all cars were motionless decorative sculptures, would you still spend time sitting in them?
>if you answer no, then you actually don't like cars

Ask me how I know you're underage.

>>16740523
How would you compare the Port Wood Reserve to the regular Dalmore 12yo?

It may just be me, but Dalmore 12yo seemed very similar to Glenmorangie 10 and Glenlivet 12.

>>16745144
Well, Bulleit is owned by a large multinational liquor corporation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diageo

>>16745165
Save some cash and use the whiskey value chart (>>16742662). With $60 you can afford anything on the chart, but I recommend you start at the bottom (Evan Williams 100 proof white label) and work your way up.

>>16739978
bowmore 12, it's like drinking an ashtray

Does all bourbon taste 90% the same?

>>16745616
I'm an alcoholic, but the answer is yes. I got this way from enjoying the taste. I'd drink it like water if that were the case.

Looking for something smokey, will any islay bottle do or should I aim for something pricey?

>>16747405
definitively smokey? Ardbeg or Laphroaig. light or medium is either Highland Park or Great Kings Street Glasgow Edition

Can you find this without travelling to Sierra Leone?

>>16748291
No, and I'm pretty sure they don't even sell it anymore.

Is anyone going to buy a bottle of Orchard House?
It's coming out in the US on Oct 1st and I'm going to buy a bottle it sounds really good.

>>16748291
>>16748304
I'm considering contacting them to ask them if they ship overseas. But I'm not sure if I would want a shady third world company to know my address

>>16748291
>Best before Dec 2012
That is worrying

>>16748291
I got some from an American in Iraq.
Fuck knows where he got it from and how it ended up over there in the first place.

>>16748308
this is the first im hearing about it. apples and pears is already pretty common with a lot of young sweet single malts, so I'm unsure of the purpose at a glance.

>>16748420
It's just a blend of some of the fruitiest single malts.
It's for people who like that.

What are the best scotches a poor newfag can get at the supermarket? I tried Monkey Shoulder and Johnnie Walker Black and preferred the first but the smokey flavor of the second was still nice

Feels good that MGP is one of the last places to not get ripped off for good whiskey.

I met some fucker who collected/traded bottles but didn't drink any because he has the asian flush reaction.

>>16746558
Yes. Bourbon has standards which make it taste the same. You have to use 51% corn, you have to use new oak barrels to age them in (although, there's brands which finish in other types of barrels).

You can find a good value in bourbon because of that. A $45 bottle of bourbon will taste 85% of a $100 bottle bourbon.

This is a stark difference compared to Rum, where there aren't official standards established -- I only know Rhum Agricole being tightly monitored

>>16748966
Thanks for the answer I was looking to try new things and I kept getting confused why every bourbon I bought just reminded me of Jim Beam. Do you have any scotch recommendations to get a feel for the different flavors?

>>16748912
Glenfiddich 12, Glenmorangie original are good single malts on the budget side, if you're looking for something cheaper, then you'll probably want a blend, Teacher's Highland cream is good for the price, Chivas Regal 12.

>>16745227
Ardbeg
Port Charlotte/Octomore
Ledaig
Peated expressions of Bunnahabhain and Glen Scotia can also get pretty briney.

I'm from a control state and I'm going to be in NY for a bit near Binghamton. Any anons able to recommend a store with good scotch pricing/selection?

I've had springbank 12 and absolutely love it, kinda thinking about picking up a hazelburn or longrow. Maybe a longrow red? I love uigaedail's sherry influence, but I really don't like macallan or glenfarclas.

> have a couple whiskys with a distant uncle.
> get home and drink 4 pours of cask-strength whisky
> wake up and be so hungover I'm barely able to keep food down
> incapable of anything until about 5pm

damn I'm only 29 and my doctor says my bloodwork (i.e. liver function) looks good. I swear I used to be able to drink up to 8-9oz whiskey and feel mostly normal by 12pm.

>>16738140
jameson doesn't have a cork, but it's good enough to sip in a pinch.

>>16738759
what is going on with this anon's image?

>>16746426
I think Dalmore 12 is most similar to Macallan 12. At least to me. The Dalmore Port Wood seems to have more rich notes of dried fruits and cherries. Maybe a touch sweeter, as well.

>>16747405
>>16748070
I’d also recommend the Port Charlotte 10 Heavily Peated. Similar in price to Ardbeg 10 and Laphroaig 10.

>>16745616
absolutely but I'd probably go broke
I'd go through a bottle of bookers a day

>>16749469
You've just discovered the wall. This is one of the things people talk about when you get older and 30 is kind of the first marker after which people start notice things like this and random aches and pains. Drinking tons of water when you're drinking gets you only so far and then eventually nowhere at all.
Take care of your body, man, you only get one and this will only get worse. I've had older people tell me that all my life and I never really understood it until I became a fat alcoholic and things started getting worse very fast. It took a lot of work to get back into decent shape and I lost a lot of time, so stop fucking around. You're not an invincible kid anymore.

>>16748966
Idk I have a bottle of jim beam, buffalo trace, and wild turkey and they are all very different

>>16747405
Try Ardbeg Wee Beastie (pic). It's an Islay, but it cost me only $40USD for a 750ml bottle.

>>16748912
Try this (>>16750086). I found it at a local grocery store that specializes in wines and cheeses, and also has a good selection of other liquors. Look for similar grocery stores near you.

>>16737727
does anyone like scotch?

>>16744271
>RATT
Based boomer.

>>16750117
yeah. Glenmorangie is a bit boring imo I prefer Ardbeg. but for a cheap bottle Famous Grouse is the shit

>>16737727
Have you ever had a moldy taste in your whiskey, bros?
I opened a bottle last night and it tasted weird.

Anyone else not get hangovers? I can literally drink any amount and not get hungover. been like that my entire life

>>16751228
Me neither. I get a dry mouth after a night of booze but thats it. it's a curse and a blessing

Picked this up because I wanted to try something new. I like it so far, strikes a good balance for me and is easy to sip on. What do you guys think?

>>16745616
I still drink NA beer when I'm going dry, so yeah?

>>16748291
They don't make that brand anymore, but the company that used to still has some lulzy and curious examples to choose from

>>16748966
>they will all taste the same
What is char?
What is a mix of different mashbills between that remaining 49%?
What is years of aging?
What is warehouse conditions/microclimate?
What is bottled proof?
What is using other types of oak than white?
Keep coping that Americans don't need to add caramel coloring to give their watery-ass spirits "character"; all the character you need comes from the oak and distiller.

>>16745200
>malort
I, too enjoy drinking grapefruit skin liquor
t.chicagoan

>>16751277
>41.1% alcohol
what a bizarre choice
any bourbon proofed below 90 is suspect. There are some exceptions for older stuff and dirt cheap stuff, but I've rarely had a lower proof whiskey that was noteworthy

>>16750326
>what is gen x?
We hate boomers and millennials.

Hellcat Maggie tastes like fucking cat piss

>>16751421
90 proof is the absolute bottom, everything else is cheap, new, or bogus
pic related

>>16737727
So I've been a casual bourbon drinker. Always drink it neat. Fav is probably Eagle Rare or Four Roses Single Barrel.

Anyways, I bought a bottle of Lagavulin 16 Year for like $100.00.

It's good... I get it... but is it 2x or 3x my fav bourbons good? I really don't think so.

Is Lagavulin just marketing hype or something? Or do I need to stick with scotches to get more appreciation? I have sneaky suspicion I'll like Johnnie Black Label at 1/3 the price nearly as much as the Laga.

>>16749899
>>16749469
I mean it really depends on what you mean by "couple whiskys" plus "4 pours". And I doubt the 4 pours were even needed after boozing with the uncle. Sounds like you overdid it anyway you look at it.

If unable to function, I'd chalk it up as both overdoing it and likely dehydrated that day leading up to the boozing. it's really not that complicated--eat and be super-hydrated...then don't overdo it

29 isn't THAT old where you should feel that bad the next day

>>16751421
I will look out for the 100 proof stuff, then

>>16751732
>is something thats been shilled in movies and tv for over 2 decades the same as something that been shiled for twice as long?
you fell for the hype fren

Brother and I picked up Johnny Walker Double Black today in our hunt for liquid smoke. It was good, I will be searching out more very smoky scotches in the future.

>>16751880
Laphroaig 10 year, or even quarter cask.

>>16751951
>QC has gone up $15 even at TotalWine in the last year
fucking mind boggling

>>16751994
How much were they selling it for last year?
My shop still has it for $60.

What's better between whiskey rum and bourbon to get you MUNTED?

>>16738348
The venn diagram of faggots and people that love john wayne is one circle

>>16752259
Anything that has the higher proof, I see a lot of really high proof rum that is still good like Rum Fire overproof which is like 126 proof but supposedly really good.

>>16751999
it was literally $2 more than the retail on Laphroaig Select until about November/December last year and then it jumped $5

>>16751868
But rich boomers have been drinking scotch for decades. Which scotch do rich boomers drink? I remember my best friend growing up his dad was really into scotch and I doubt it was hyped shit like Laga 16 or Johnny Blue

>>16752859
Macallan,

Thoughts on this chart?

>>16752859
>Which scotch do rich boomers drink?
Macallan and assorted generic big name Speyside/Highland scotches.

>>16751228
Yep. I've smashed through a bottle of WT101 after a bad night and didn't feel anything the following morning. I fell asleep with regret, a numb face, with the thoughts that I may die in my sleep from drinking too much to waking up feeling normal and eating Cheerios.
I blame my alcoholic father.

I need to get some Fireball again
Me and some mates were having drinks and one of them had a pretty much full bottle of it, he and his girlfriend didn't seem to like it so everyone else was tucking into it, shit was delicious
I did end up drinking 90 percent of the bottle and threw up at the park though
No regerts
>pic related we pulled a street sign out of the ground and stuck it in the playground

>>16754212
it's a good start but you can't use it 1:1 for drinking. Sherry influence has a wide range. For example, I love Uigeadail and aberlour abundah, but I hate glenfarclas and macallan. So far no one has been able to explain where that difference in sherry flavor between the glenfarclas and abundah is from. One guy suggested the fact that it's cask strength, but that's not it. Glenfarclas is like, cloyingly sweet, whereas abundah is sweet and spicy.

>>16754212
I've had at least 10 or 12 of those bottlings, and I can say it's at least generally accurate. I'd say it's poor for comparing apples:apples (like two peaty offerings), but just knowing that Glenfiddich 12 is going to be very "balanced" and unpeated, and that Glenmorangie 10 is basically like drinking a bourbon will get you a long way in knowing what you will and won't enjoy.

>>16754331
>I need to get some Fireball again
This is a Whisky thread

>>16748912
Deanston 12. A bit more bourbony than the ones you mentioned, but it's literally the cheapest bottle of single malt on the shelf at my local liquor store.

>>16738303
Really? I've liked everything I've had from Benromach. It's a step above the other Speysides (Glenfiddich, Glenlivet, Glenmorangie, etc) imo, which is exactly what I expected given the price and region.

>>16739666
You should stop buying based on recommendation and go visit a whisky bar.

>>16743066
Is it actually good for the price, or have you not had many sub 90 AUD whiskies?
I've avoided Toki because I think there's no way a bottom shelf blend can demand that kind of price, and under $90 is a stacked price bracket.

>nothing has beaten it [WT101]
This may largely be because they put the proof in the title so they can't water it down on you. Most of the American whisky you see mentioned in these threads has been diluted in Australia, which is what annoys me most about makers mark (though Makers 46, abv in the title, didn't blow me away either).

>>16744940
But it is in your interest to stop liking rum and to start liking whisky. It's better value with more options.

>>16737727
I drink this so I don't drink 12 pints of miller lite. I used to mix it as a shot half and half with 151 as a night cap called it a 252

>>16746451
True, but your logic seems backwards.
Diageo isn't making the spirit (MGP is), and it is not common for large multinationals to play nice together. Especially since Diageo owns a billion distilleries.
In fact Diageo built a Bulleit distillery in 2017.

We treat the multinationals like they're the devil, but they produce good shit and drive prices down. Bulleit 40% is my go to bottom shelf bourbon for mixers.

>>16748308
I will buy any compass box that goes on sale.

That said, I'm somewhat disappointed with my current bottle of Oak cross. I was so hyped that it was mostly Clynleish that I forgot that what I really want is a blend that is 140% Clynleish, not 40%. Its nice, it just lacks power exactly as you should expect.

>>16748422
As good as it is that they publish the constituents I think they straight up lie about their reasons. If you look at their other blends, you'll find that the tasting note / excuse for the same whisky in each bottle changes by a lot.
I do not think that everything they claim tastes like apples actually does.

>>16748966
Malt doesn't always taste the same and they have to use 100% of the same grain, must use old barrels and sometimes finish.

I suspect it's just that the type of grain matters. Corn is more stable, so it changes less in the barrel.

>>16751332
All of those things effect all other spirits just the same.
Seriously you sound like you're running wine awards. $1000 to enter, and the best level 3 char 94% corn 6% rye 3 year old oak aged north eastern facing 32nd latitude 50%abv bottle with a red lid starting with the letter A goes to you. Congrats, now stick it on your bottle to scam some people.

>>16751732
You got scammed on that price.

>>16754212
The chart sucks.
Particularly in terms of peat and sherry.
The objective peat levels of whiskies are published. This chart does not align with that at all. Nor do my tasting notes. And there's some stuff that is peated that's in the unpeated section.
I don't know where the sherry scores came from. You've got barely sherried stuff at the top of the chart, moderately sherried stuff not in the sherry section, stuff that is known to contain sherry completely in the light side.

But to start with the axis are wrong.
Rich and light are opposed, but you can't say sherry and fruit = rich. Most speysides are fruity, a little sherried, and very light.
And the center of the chart marks the point where whisky is unpeated. So why is there anything on the right half of the chart? Are they claiming soft is the opposite of peat? Soft usually means non-tannic, though it probably means non-prickly here since tannic whisky is rare. Given that definition there is no place for lagavulin which is soft and peated or aberlour abundha which is prickly and unpeated.

You're better off with shapes on a flavor wheel because you haven't introduced falsely mutually exclusive flavors. Only problem is you can't put multiple on a chart and a flavor wheel is likely to have no relationship to your enjoyment. It's probably most useful to just have a list of good whiskies for each in a list of categories.

>>16754492
>Glenfarclas is like cloyingly sweet
Which one? I had the 12 and my opinion was how sure are you that this has any sherry content at all? Tbh the more I hear about Glenfarclas the more I assume I had a bad bottle.

Anyway. For A'bundha the sweetness mostly comes from the spirit itself. A'bundha Alba (the same spirit bourbon matured) is even sweeter, but it's not spicy at all, so that came from the barrel.

>>16754937
Weren't you disappointed to find Glenfiddich is fruity and that Glenmorangie tastes nothing like bourbon?

>>16752869
>>16752869
which macallan do most rich boomers buy? im assuming the 12 is the most popular?

>>16755298
I've never seen Lagavulin 16 for less than $90. Most places it's upwards of $120 and it's not easy to find. If you see it for $100 and you want it, why piss time away searching to save maybe $10?

>>16755488
I'm Australian and have picked it up twice for $95 AUD. Which means it should probably cost you something like $55USD (minus alcohol tax, currency converted).

When I buy a bottle I'm thinking is it better than two bottles of Jack Daniels, and the answer is always god yes.

>>16739666
FINALLY. Bros where do I begin... My first sip of 24 year old Timorous Beastie is literally emotive. Its fresh baked pretzel aroma takes me back to my childhood. initial and mid palate is big time malt madness, sweet and rich. slight hints of dried cinnamon and luscious black current jam are the perfect finish, a finish that nearly outstays its welcome, but just when you think its too long it gives way to the creamy almond and wood accents. Zero alcohol notes to be found in the nose or taste. Absolutely impeccable dram and Douglas Laing is a modern day saint.

The Madeira finished Irish is interesting. So far I've only compared it to the Bushmills 10, but plan to try it next to the Glenmorangie 14 Quinta Ruban tomorrow as Port and Madeira are said to be quite similar. From memory it is on the right path, more dense than the Bushmills and the bourbon maturation less profound. Nose and palate are both bubble gum sweetness contrasting with dark choclate(very nice balance) and a fruit note that I'm unsure of but reminds me of raspberry or kiwi. finish is a little spicy, like a pickled clove, but I also get the most minute amount of wisping kerosene lamp being extinguished in the spring at the very end, somehow not displeasing. Overall I am happy as both were well worth the time and money.

>>16755085
if only I had one I still probably wouldn't pay their goofball premiums. There is a "whiskey society" in the metro area, but that is too normie for me. I'd rather take the chance and be wrong than to hang around the type that groups up irl.

>>16755532
for $90 to 100 in the US, the hypothetical would be is Laga 16 2x better than Four Roses Single Barrel and 3x better than Eagle Rare? I'd say no, not really. Not that it's bad, just not worth a C-note very often. And you really have to be in the mood for it, while bourbon is easy to drink any night.

>>16755121
the number in the name of Makers 46 isnt representative of the abv(which is 47%). 46 is the coded number for the added stave of European Oak its matured with.

>>16755477
the vintage bottles you can only get from shiny basement in London

>>16755447
Glenfarclas only uses sherry casks. The 12 is kinda flat due to chill filtering and only being 43%. core range Glenfarclas is probably using a fully oxidized sherry casks.

>>16754212
Try this chart, from this website:
http://whiskyanalysis.com/index.php/background/early-attempts-at-flavour-classification

>>16755832
I looked it up on their website and was shocked to find this is true. How are their casks so shit?

Also why is the 12 being recommended, and why is the distillery of such repute given that their core bottles suck?

>>16755687
Don't move the target to rarer bottles, it makes the already stupid cross market comparisons even worse. 4 roses single barrel is more expensive (15%) for 50ml less, and laga16 is 15% more expensive than eagle rare (not rare, same volume).
Absolutely don't buy at your price. But I'd also say maybe don't shit on it just because you've got scam pricing / pay attention to the price reviewers are drinking at so that you don't become the next Talisker anti-shill or buy a boatload of duds.

>>16755683
>if only I had one I still probably wouldn't pay their goofball premiums
My favorite whisky bar is good on pricing. And by good I mean the standard 1/8th of a bottle for a 30ml shot. I usually get half pours, share them with a friend, and try 40 on an evening.

Eat that price two or three times a year and you'll end up never having to take a risk again. If it weren't for the lockdowns lasting so long I'd be able to buy on sale whisky that I had tried and enjoyed before exclusively.

That said, of the 7 bottles I have now, I have tried something from each of those distilleries so it's not like I'm taking wild gambles. Except for that one bottle of Tomatin I accidentally bought because I tried a Tomintul (it's fantastic though).

>want to try whisky
>it's the most expensive al/ck/ there is

>>16756128
lots of beginners lately and they wont know the difference. Glenfarclas is independently owned by the same family for 6 generations, they are offered widely and are competitively priced. the most unfortunate aspect is that only a couple bottles of their core range are un-premium-ized, the 15 year old(duty free only) and the 105. if you have the money and can find them, the Family Casks/Vintages are said to be top tier.

>>16756165
Benchmark is the cheapest thing in any liquor store

>>16756165
There are plenty of cheap and decent bourbons if you're in America. You don't need to break the bank

>>16756165
Just buy some Wild Turkey 101.

>>16756165
forget these bourbonfags buy a cheap scotch like Grants and watch the alcoholism flow through you. Whisky should not include corn as a rule

>>16756361
Based Buffalo Trace is my favorite bourbon and I still go through a bottle of Red Label faster

>>16756153
>try 120 bottles in a year
>buy 7
?

>>16737727
101 is basically all I drink. Picked up a few bottles yesterday & getting more Friday. I might get something different.

>>16758378
check out old forester 100 or maybe old grand dad bonded/OGD114

>>16745165
That's just about the same price as Green Spot & Redbreast, that's definitely what I would get. If you aren't much of a drinker those are a great choice because it doesn't get much smoother than that.

>>16758394
was gonna rec ogd bonded too
got a liter for $30 yesterday
bargain bourbon is the best

>>16738140
>waxed top as a gimmick
>screw top
Maker's is definitely on the sweeter side of bourbon, good as a daily sipper

Managed to score a bottle of Weller Full Proof at MSRP from a local liquor store

>>16737727
Anyone know a place I can consistently get this at a decent price in the UK?

>>16756165
It's really not that expensive unless you're looking for it to be. I've almost always kept my bottles under $100 and they last forever. If they don't last that long, you're drinking too much and don't need to worry about buying the good stuff.

>>16758378
Check out Rare Breed if you like the Turkey that much.

>>16758656
Whisky doesn't last forever it starts to degrade after 6 months

Anon, quick! Should I buy Hendricks Gin or the Botanist?

>>16758665
If you fill your bottles with Argon it helps delay that.

>>16758684
Both are good, but I prefer Hendricks with tonic and a slice of cucumber.

>>16758687
I fill mine with bleach

How do I into getting drunk on whiskey? I was sipping last night for 4 hours and didn't get drunk. How much do you wait between sips? I can only take one once in a while.

>>16759718
sipping is the way. if you want to druk just shove a straw into the bottle and neck it you bitch

>>16759718
make an old fashioned

>>16759718
Knock back a few shots of cheap 100 proof stuff or try cocktails

bump for

Got four bottles rn, all on the cheaper side tho, got some cheapo store brand single malt, Glenfiddich 12, Loch Lomond 12 and Singleton 12, I'm still new to whiskies tho.

>>16758684
Hendricks

>>16761846
>got some cheapo store brand single malt
TotalWine?

also you can do a lot worse than Glenfiddich and Loch Lomond. all I know about Singleton is that it Diageo owned so its overpriced swill.

>>16762027
It's called Glen Marnoch, think iirc. the name's just made up shit to imitate the other glens, since the marnoch stuff spans speyside, highland and islay, it were 16 quid or abouts so really can't complain. Happy enough with the four I've got, never really had a whisky I disliked bar Jamesons, Balvenie 12 and Cardhu 15 have been some highlights but I've never had anything far north of 50 quid.

>>16762151
at least your Loch Lomond should still be 46%, right? UK gets fucked so bad on liquor its not even funny. I suggest Independent Bottlers(Wemyss Malts, Douglas Laing, Signatory, Gordon and MacPhail, Alexander Murray, Single Malts of Scotland for older stuff) and Integrity Bottlings(minimum 46% abv, un-chill filtered, non color added) because everything else is virtually ruined by premiumizing the package for retards that dont care about the smell and taste, but instead only the posturing via the status of the label while mixing it with Coke.

Scotch bros, are glencairn glasses cringe?

>>16763717
i was surprised how much of a difference it made when i first tried one. legit wasn't expecting it

>>16763717
they're the only thing i use to drink my scotch

>>16763717
The tulip shape is great for tasting/nosing, and it's more stable compared to stemmed tulips for casual drinking. But I use everything from glencairns, to stemmed glasses, to tumblers depending on the mood.

>>16763998
this. the real test though is trying them outside where even without so much as a breeze can make it hard for a glencairn

How many bottles do you typically average in a month?

>>16763717
Copitas are better imo. Easier to drink from.
Seriously though, even with the scam pricing on glassware, how much money are you spending for a better tasting scotch? You could spend half that permanently improving all your whisky.

>>16759718
whiskey sours
straight, I'm too inclined to savor

>>16762360
>UK gets fucked so bad on liquor its not even funny
Big claim given you just complained about the biggest manufacturer with the most often lowest abv being overpriced. They're the ones bringing prices down.
Singleton of Glen Ord is nice. I can't get it here though.
>dont care about the smell and taste, but instead only the posturing via the status of the label
This is literally what you're doing though. You didn't tell him to try it all and make his own conclusion, you told him to buy based off of color ffs. There are 40% bottlings that are better than 46% bottlings. There are chill filtered bottles better than non chill filtered bottles. Stop writing a bottle off for not being as good as it can be, when it's still better than its competition.
Don't buy a Loch Lomond 46% NCF uncoloured unless it's actually better than the same priced Caol Ila 12, Talisker 10, Dalwhinnie 15, etc (I say as if current Loch Lomond prices aren't inflated as fuck atm, look at your own market).

For real though Loch Lomond (12&18) is one of only two whiskies I've had that I would consider inherently flawed. It's too fucking bitter. With Inchmoan it's in balance, but otherwise give it a miss. Apparently I liked a High Spirits bottling of Loch Lomond 12 though.

Is Lagavulin 16 a scam? No different than all the premium tequilas and gins being astroturfed in the last few years?

>>16764954
used to be good, is now not so good
blame diageo
get Ardbeg, for the money it kicks the shit out of Lagavulin

>>16764905
mad Diageo shill is mad. also Loch Lomond 12 is half the price and twice as good as anything owned by Diageo or Edrington DEAL WITH IT CORPO CUNT!

>>16764954
the majority is hype/marketing. only technicality in its favor is if you want a mid aged peat focused bottle around $100-$125, but the actual maturation is probably younger feeling than even Ardbeg's NAS range. easy rule of thumb is to stay away once celebs become attached to something because its a sign of low quality at a premium.

>>16765137
I literally looked up prices for that post. Caol Ila 12, Talisker 10, Dalwhinnie 15 are the same prices as Loch Lomond 12 and all are better.
Why do you insist on being a hypocrite. Judge a bottle on the contents of that bottle and it's price tag.
>retards posturing via the status of the label
>CORPO CUNT
Your head is up your own arse.

> $100-$125USD
>Lagavulin 16
Yea, that's a scam. It competes favorably at half that price, but is btfo there.

>>16765641
your region is fucked m8. Loch Lomond 12 is easily under $40 after tax and everyone you post is at least in the $60's before tax.
>le just buy inferior bottles cuz um ... JUST DO IT SHITHEAD
"No."

I just picked me up some Woodford Reserve Tucky Bourbon

Haven't had it in 3-4 years and I have to say, is nice

>>16766326
>700ml
>80 proof
damn that sucks

>>16759718
>>16764846
This right here. I've gone overboard way too easily with whiskey sours, especially since I load mine up too much. Bless Bulleit for being so cheap since I mainly use it for my sours.

Hi what’s are some good entry level whiskeys or scotches to pair with a full bodied cigar

>>16767704
Uigeadail

>>16738231
Not a bad shot for a blind man.

somone suggested mixing knob creek and coke
shit is good if you keep it about 50/50

Is this good? theres an offer and i might buy one, but never heard of it before

What should be the go to whiskeys for a poorfag that wants to spend 20-30 dollars a bottle?

for me, it's jameson

>>16768783
why would a poorfag spend 30 bucks for a "bottle", whatever that means. Oh yeah, you're poor because you're stupid.

>>16768783
get a liter of OGD bonded

>>16769007
Acid tongue on anon

>>16769036
Thanks, do you have a recommendation that isn't bourbon?

>>16769104
virtually impossible to get a good scotch at that price
Rittenhouse rye is good though

>>16769104
Bushmills

>>16769104
Marshal 12, Isle of Skye NAS or 12, Teacher's Highland Cream, Chivas 12, Dewars 12. you will be hard pressed to find a regular sized bottle of single malt in that range that worth drinking so you should stick to the blends until you can get into the $35-$60 range.

>>16748308
where they selling this shit? Can i pick it up at meijer?

>>16766200
You're reading comprehension sucks.

>better than jwalker
>affordable
so...why haven't you taken the dewarspill?

How many bottles do you boys keep open at a time? Is it true that after you open one you have to drink it in less than six months before the flavor goes off and it starts evaporating?

What's the optimal length of time to microwave whiskey? I tried just 12 seconds and that turned out to be too long.

>>16770569
all of my bottles are open. why would you buy something and then not open it?

flavor can change in a bottle over time, but usually not degrading to the point where its become undrinkable though. if you plan on having a bottle open for years you can look into wine gas that will neutralize the atmosphere, stopping oxidation/evaporation of the alcohol. if your cork is slightly loose you can tape the seem or use shrink wrap, to aid further "spoiling".

>>16746496
Scotch smoke is different from bourbon char

Best bourbon for an old fashioned?

>>16759718
I tried it in tea and it went very well. I had a black Assam and added a generous measure of the Glen Grant, a very bland speyside single malt.

I really liked Glenfiddich 12, and Chivas 12 was pretty good too. Glenmorangie 10 no so much.
What would be a good next step to try?

>>16771183
Arran, Bunnahabhain , Deanston, Glendronach, Glengoyne if you want to stay sweet and safe.

>>16767162
what's wrong with that

>>16771712
its short on volume and alcoholic content :/

>>16772010
80 proof is normal wtf. it's a nice bourb

>>16766326
>>16771712
>>16772020
>>16767162
Looks like differences between US version and European export. Woodford in the states is usually 45.2%, and most bourbon is at least 90 proof. Woodford is good though

bumping thread so when the americans get off work we can be back to discussion

>>16771059
I like something high proof since a lot of recipes call for a splash of water. 4 Roses Single Barrel is good, so is Wild Turkey Rare Breed.

>>16772020
The market has moved on, 80 proof is no longer acceptable for anything but bottom shelf bourbon.

>>16771300
Thanks. Ordered a bottle of Glendronach, since it's currently the cheapest it's ever been on camelcamel

Is this a good starting point to get acquainted with the taste of Irish Whiskey?

>>16773482
its ok. its water thin and non-threatening flavor wise. Irish typically lighter in most aspects, but regular Jameson is mostly grain whiskey, so even lighter.

>>16768783
If you took just a little time to read this entire thread, you would have noticed the fucking whiskey value fucking chart listed above.

Go find it yourself, shithead.

>>16771059
This is something you have to figure out for yourself. There's no guarantee that any two people will like the same thing in exactly the same way. You have to form your own opinion yourself about which bourbon you like best in an old fashioned.

>>16763939
same

>>16770196
Monkey Shoulder

Had some Pig's Nose scotch and a couple of Mickey's afterwards. Good time.

Reminder that Elijah Craig doesn't get enough respect as an awesome value bourbon.

I'm still getting the single barrel version specially made for my local liquor store.

>>16776155
store pick Elijah Craig sounds good
not buying heaven hill products until the strike ends though

Bro I'm addicted to this. 3rd bottle in a month god damn it's tasty. Am I a complete pleb or is this considered any good?

>>16776162
strike?

>>16777212
HH workers pre-covid had weekends off.
covid caused a surge in demand for bourbon.
HH started having them work weekends at 1.5x pay saturdays and double sundays.
new union contract proposed keeps weekends but gets rid of overtime for it. plus an increase in health insurance premiums.
HH workers not happy, so they vote to strike with over 90% voting in favor of strike.

might be wrong on some details but that's the gist of it.

I fucking LOVE this shit. Only had WT101, Maker's, Angel's Envy, Jameson, and a couple others, but this is the best for me.

Any good recs after this one in the same price range of $50-60?

>>16773482
Spring for Redbreast. It’s relatively cheap and is way better than Jameson.

>>16777510
Redbreast isnt cheap

>>16777577
I said ‘relatively’. Also, it depends where you live. I can get a bottle for ~$60 or less, but I’ve seen it higher while traveling.

>>16773482
That's the drinking mans Irish whiskey. That's all you will ever need if your not a pretentious faggot claiming Redbreast is somehow worth the extra $25-30 a bottle because it's not.

>>16776461
It's decent, I'm not a fan personally

Can someone post the /ck/ whiskey flowchart.

Recommend me whiskey. Price is not a concern. I'm richer than all of you and am looking for top-shelf stuff. Don't waste my precious time with meme recs, thanks.

>>16778074
The macallan M decanter single malt.

>>16778074
Evan Williams

>>16778074
Heaven's Door by Bob Dylan

>>16778074
red breast 27
pappy van winkle 23
any scotch older than 20 years
blantons

Trying something new tonight, "Doc Swinson's Alter Ego" it's rye whiskey aged in rum barrels. If this was kentucky straight bourbon I'd call it a sin but I'm OK to experiment with other forms, so far so good. Will check back in after I drink the entire bottle and log in to myfreecams to try and convince a spray tan romanian girl with fake tits to marry me.

>>16778480
Congratulations on your marriage

>>16778074
>I'm richer than all of you and am looking for top-shelf stuff
Then why aren't you shopping exclusively on those websites where they sell 80 year old single malts Scotches?

>>16777260
good for them, fuck those kikes

>>16778074
place a bid on a barrel of Macallan if theres any the chinks and poos havent grabbed left.

recommend me whiskey. I am poorer than all of you and am looking for bottom-shelf stuff. Don't waste my worthless time.

>>16778070
You mean this? This is a Scotch flow chart.

The whiskey value chart was already posted here (>>16742662).

Then there was these two Scotch charts (>>16754212), (>>16755945).

The only other Scotch chart is the reddit chart. I'll reply to this post with it attached.

>>16779121

>>16779089
Read all the previous fucking posts in this thread, Captain Observant.

>>16778074
George T. Stagg

>>16773482
go for bushmills

>>16779089
canadian club obviously

>>16779121
Yeah i think it was that one, thanks.

Having more of my Pig's Nose scotch. Pretty good bros.

>>16780132
blended malt? describe it for us.

>>16780435
Blended, yeah. Little over twenty five bucks or so. Nice, fruity and malty taste. Not too hot on the throat, good for sipping with a chaser. (I use ice water for the chase). Not a snooty brand, recommended if you like a smooth taste and are looking for something under thirty bucks.

is there anything for around $20 thats not shit?

>>16780546
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yShFKvRVOFE

i bought four roses. not single barrel. fuck you niggers it sucks and tastes like paint thinner.

>>16781210
its possible it is too light and herbal a bourbon for you

>>16780546
a months worth of bjs from OPs mum

>>16781210
research before you buy
4roses is a high rye 80 proof spirit
try a low rye higher proof spirit like buffalo trace

>>16749369
If you can get a hold of the Springbank 15 you should get that. Or a kilkerran 8/12/16

AAAAA I love drinking too much!

>>16764954
its got a lot of depth well worth the money

>>16777855
Compared to Jameson that double!

>>16737727
I'm not drinking I just woke up hung over, fuck off op let me lie in bed.

I tried Wild Turkey 101 and Maker's Mark back to back yesterday and I gotta say despite the extra alcohol in the former I think MM is a way better tasting bourbon. Ive had both plenty of times but never side by side.

>>16782500
Maker's just has too little going on. It's like taking a sip of juice. WT101 has some barrel spice and leather

Still have plenty of Wild Turkey(101 ofcourse) but I'm drinking beer for now, might switch it up after I eat though. Haven't drank beer in a while so figured I'd get some, hit the spot. Beer can be very nice every now & then but since I love WT101 & the like it's not like I can get drunk off it.

>>16778074
>I'm richer than all of you
Then why are you asking us to have tried hundreds of whiskies out of our price range and provide you with that information to save you money / effort?
You're actually going to need a sommelier / master taster who isn't paying for his drinks, or you need to go somewhere where you aren't richer than us all.

Or. You can try hundreds of 18-21 year olds and report back.

>>16770924
They do degrade once open.
I have 6 open at home, which is more than I will drink in an evening. The rest are either saved for special occasions (I bought one to celebrate a pay raise, but I won't upon it until I see that money in my hand), or I bought because it was on sale and not because I was low on whisky.

My friends and I had a whisky tasting group. 5 of us with ~30 bottles open at a time. That was problematic, especially since that number seemed to be ever growing. There weren't bottles going bad, but there were just objectively worse bottles never getting drunk. Also lockdowns have killed many bottles.

alright niggers i'll get a wt 101 next as per your recommendations.

for me it's Canadian Club

I drank so much scotch yesterday my sweat smelled like Johnnie Walker black. lmao

>>16785134
hot

>>16785134
nigga yesterday was my bday and even i didnt drink that much scotch