/ck/ - Food & Cooking

I’ve seen quite a few birds explode.

>>16762251
>wild rice

Wild rice isn't rice. It's grass seed

>>16762260
Are we talking rice? Or Alka-Seltzer?
Be honest.

>>16762283
>Wild rice isn't rice. It's grass seed
All rice is grass seed. Ditto corn, wheat, barley, etc.

>>16762251
Go ahead and try to reconcile 2 with 4. Fuck shittypedia.

>>16762335
>Go ahead and try to reconcile 2 with 4.
The expiration date is 45 days, but you can eat them long after that.
See also: if you can chew it up and swallow, it's technically "edible".
Not sure what your issue is here. I doubt Hostess wants the stores selling semi-stale Twinkies, even though they're safe to eat.
Does your elevator go all the way to the top floor?

>>16762351
Nobody is talking about the saleable life of Twinkies when talking about their shelf life.

>>16762366
>Nobody is talking about the saleable life of Twinkies when talking about their shelf life.
Ad far as Hostess is concerned, that IS the shelf life.

p.s. You do understand that grocery and convenience stores, pretty much any place that sells Twinkies are consignment stores, right?
The product on the shelf remains the property of Hostess until you buy it.

>>16762251
>There are no known cases of children having been killed or seriously injured by poisoned candy or fruit given to them by strangers at Halloween or any other time, though there are cases where people have poisoned their own children.
Not for long, if I see one kid wearing that stupid scream costume they're getting a razor blade. I swear.

>>16762251
Based antiboomer thread.

>>16762382
fuck you twinkie hater

>>16762370
>You do understand that grocery and convenience stores, pretty much any place that sells Twinkies are consignment stores, right?
Yes, if the distributor/manufacturer stocks it on the shelves, they own it until sale. Also, the vast majority of supermarkets are not profitable in their own right (ie: cash register revenues do not typically exceed the costs of those sales,) they are usually just a means to generate short-term investment capital. Grocery stores typically pay their invoices on a 60-day term. Giving the company's CFO two months to play with that money.

>>16762283

Wild rice and rice are completely different.
Saying that Birds do eat wild rice, though some species avoid it has as much weight as saying some birds eat wheat but others avoid it.

>>16762503
>Wild rice and rice are completely different.
My ass and your face are completely different, but they sure look the same.

Can you show me any evidence dried, commercial rice is harmful to birds?

I didn't write the Wikipedia entry, but I can do the Google.
https://coleswildbird.com/fact-or-fiction-never-feed-rice-to-birds/
>Fact is, rice cooked or uncooked won’t hurt wild birds at all.
>It’s not hot enough in a bird’s stomach to actually “cook” the rice.
>So, the rice doesn’t swell and cause any sort of an explosion.

https://www.myrecipes.com/community/can-birds-eat-rice
>There was no evidence then, or now, that uncooked rice is harmful to birds.
>As ornithologist Steven Sibley pointed out in his response to Landers’ column,
>the urban myth is laughable because a number of birds happen to adore rice.
>In fact, some species depend on wild and farmed rice to get through harsh winter seasons,

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/against-the-grain/
>local ornithologists said that they had never heard of or seen birds dying after consuming rice thrown at weddings:

Moving on to the next Wikipedia section:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions#Food_history
Food history
► Fortune cookies are associated with Chinese cuisine, but were actually invented in Japan,[11] and are almost never eaten in China, where they are seen as American.[12]
► Fortune cookies are not found in Chinese cuisine, despite their ubiquity in Chinese restaurants in the United States. They were invented in Japan and introduced to the US by the Japanese.[11] In China, they are considered American, and are rare.[12]
► Spices were not used to mask the flavor of rotting meat before refrigeration. Spices were an expensive luxury item; those who could afford them could afford good meat, and there are no contemporaneous documents calling for spices to disguise the taste of bad meat.[13]
► Steak tartare was not invented by Mongol warriors who tenderized meat under their saddles.[14]
► Whipped cream was not invented by François Vatel at the Château de Chantilly in 1671; the recipe is attested at least a century earlier in Italy, but the name crème chantilly only in the 19th century.[15]
► Catherine de' Medici and her entourage did not introduce Italian foods to the French royal court and thus create French haute cuisine.[16]

>>16762375
I'm pretty sure there have been cases of razors hidden in Halloween candy, just not poison.

>>16762604
Yeah and ya know why?

>>16762604
We used to put fishhooks in popcorn ball.

>>16762251
>Searing does not seal moisture in meat;
This one is obvious, you can instantly spot the retard when they claim applying heat to a wet surface somehow "seals in" the water.

>>16762620
Did someone in a scream mask fuck your girl at a Halloween party or something what's the deal?

And here's the third and last section:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions#Microwave_ovens
Microwave ovens
► Microwave ovens do not heat food by operating at a special resonance of water molecules in the food but by dielectric heating. Dielectric heating causes sympathetic movement in polar molecules, like water.[17]
► Microwave ovens do not cook food from the inside out. 2.45 GHz microwaves can only penetrate approximately 1 centimeter (3⁄8 inch) into most foods. The inside portions of thicker foods are mainly heated by heat conducted from the outer portions.[18]
► Microwave ovens cannot cause cancer, as microwave radiation is non-ionizing, and therefore does not have the cancer risks associated with ionizing radiation such as X-rays. No studies have found that microwave radiation causes cancer, even with exposure levels far greater than normal radiation leakage.[19]
► Looking into a microwave oven does not damage the eyes.[20] Any heat or radiation that could harm the eyes is contained within the oven.[21]

>>16762335
>most foods are good long after their shelf life
>twinkies spend 7-14 days on shelf
>are actually good for 45 days

>>16763019
I'm shocked how many seemingly rational people are afraid of microwaves and refuse to eat food heated with it.

>>16762251
Never heard most of these, then again I'm not American. Surprised by the spicy pepper seeds one though, I 100% believed keeping the seeds made it spicier.

>>16762586
>fortune cookies are a Japanese idea
I was told by a Chinese in a Chinese restaurant that it was a real tradition but got distorted over time and it used to be rice cakes and not cookies. Weird.
>spices masked the smell of bad meat
Were they not a method of conservation in hot climates?

>>16762251
Excuse me did you realize the mannequin in your store window is making an alt-right gesture?

>>16762251
>► Most food is edible long after its expiration date, with the exception of some perishables.

Won't say what tho.
Apparently not Twinkies

>>16763831
>I 100% believed keeping the seeds made it spicier.
It does, but not by a lot. They are coated in capsaicin, but do not contain it.

>>16763831
>I 100% believed keeping the seeds made it spicier.
the only thing eating the seeds does is burn your asshole the next day

>>16762586
>and there are no contemporaneous documents calling for spices to disguise the taste of bad meat.[13]
there are lots of early-modern cookbooks who acknowledge that "meat which has begun to turn can be used, just add more [spices]"

>>16763831
They're suspended in the pith, so... they are coated in capsaicin. Long cooking times of only the meat of the pepper in large volumes of liquid is your best bet for making peppers milder.

>>16763903
>OK (boomer)

>>16762251
You sound like the kind of dumbass who doesn't understand phrases like

"Liquor before beer, you're in the clear."

"Beer before liquor, you've never been sicker."

>>16764887
Cool source bro.

>>16764887
show your work and I’ll believe you

>>16763019
I for one am sick of people thinking microwaves heat water molecules, when in fact they heat water molecules but in a different manner.

>>16762283
anon, how do you know they literally don't mean WILD rice? it doesn't say they're talking about north american style wild rice.

>>16765002
>You sound like the kind of dumbass who doesn't understand phrases like
>"Liquor before beer, you're in the clear."
>"Beer before liquor, you've never been sicker."

You DO understand I didn't write the Wikipedia article, right?
And you've got the saying wrong. It's actually:
"Liquor then beer, you're in the clear."
"Beer and then liquor, you'll still be fine, don't be a pussy."

>>16767828
Based

>>16767828
Based

Fuck that other guy

>>16767828
based

fuck me

>>16767848
>>16767863
>>16767874
Thanks!

The ones that piss me off most are, searing it to seal in moisture. Letting it come to room temperature because it will cook better, that one is just fucking stupid because the couple of degree difference of the surface of your steak and the middle doesn't care when it's on a several hundred degrees pan.
I do take my steak or pork out early, but that's to let them rest on paper towels for 45 minutes to get rid of most of the water I can for a better sear.
The worst might be when someone calls the water-myboglobin "blood", meat is killed, drained of blood because it tastes like copper, then processed.

>>16763860
>Were they not a method of conservation in hot climates?
Nah, the price of the spice-to-meat is so expensive it'd be like covering meat in cocaine to hide the fact it's going bad.

>>16768153
>Letting it come to room temperature to cook better
Ok smartass, take a steak out the fridge and slap it on a pan. See how cooked the middle is. Fucking dumbass. Fuck.

>>16768153
>when someone calls the water-myboglobin "blood",
I really hate this.
A family member, an overprotective mother, objects when my brother encourages our 10 year-old nephew to order a steak: "Oh, he's going to freak out when he cuts into it and sees the blood!!".
Jesus Fucking Christ.
#1: It's NOT blood.
#2: Unless you WANT him to freak out, don't say that shit in front of him.

Turns out the kid liked the steak, but wasn't crazy about it.

>>16768153
>searing is dumb
>but I like to sear my steak though!
Fucking idiot

>>16768153
>it tastes like copper
that's actually a myth, the "metal" taste is actually from bacterial byproducts from using the metals as catalysts. metals themselves are completely tasteless

>>16768241
I have though. a two pack of ribeyes, one set out, one straight from the fridge (after patting with paper towels)
two pans, two burners, same setting. both cooked for 120 seconds each side and then rested for 10 minutes on separate plates
the 30~ degree difference changes nothing
I'd only wish I seasoned then before cooking

>>16768305
it's dumb when they say you sear it to prevent moisture from leaking out, you don't "seal in flavor", you sear for flavor

>>16768313
More info? Googling just gets medical "tasting metal" results.

>>16762366
what do you think "shelf life" means if not the time period the product remains on a store shelf?

>>16768793
Nilered did a pretty good video on the whole thing
https://youtu.be/BqLH-nTZEOc

>>16768793
>>16768973
it's not directly related to taste but the same sorts of reactions are what produce "metal" tastes in food. it's not as though the taste doesn't directly correlate with the presence of metal, it's just that you're not actually tasting metal itself, just byproducts that we associate with metal.

>>16768192
Spices weren't an expensive, exotic luxury in their places of origin

>>16769046
meat however was

>>16768973
>>16769004
Cheers, that's interesting.

>>16769053
yeah it's pretty cool to think about

Actually searing does seal in the juices which is where the flavor lies. Searing makes a crust that prevents the juices from leaking out, making for a more flavorful and tender meat.

>>16762351
>Does your elevator go all the way to the top floor?
huh? I don't have an elevator

>>16769004
so are pusy baceria the same as is on coins

>>16769234
who knows? they seem to make similar byproducts at least

>>16768241
have you done that? it makes no fucking difference you stupid faggot

>>16769088
no it doesn't, if you cook two steaks of identical weight, one you seared first and one you reverse seared they will weigh the same afterwards.

>>16768889
It's a limit, not the average time before it's sold.

>>16768314
It's really only relevant if you want to cook a thick steak rare. I usually do it anyway but that's the only time it really matters

i like it when people leave hot food out on the counter instead of putting it in the fridge because it'll heat up the fridge too much or something.
just put it in the fridge you lunatic.

>>16770052
My roommate freaks out when I put hot food in the fridge.
I'm more worried about leaving food out longer.

>>16770052
I mean it literally does cost more electricity if you put hot food in the fridge, and it has the potential of introducing a lot of moisture depending on what/how hot it is.

>>16770052
>>16770131
Literally no one thinks that
>>16770383
That's not how a fridge works dumbass

>>16770397
yes it is. a fridge pumps thermal energy from the inside to the outside through the repeated boiling and condensation of liquid. the thermal energy that you put in a fridge has to be moved to the outside otherwise the temperature inside the fridge will rise. that pumping consumes electricity. this is basic conservation of energy stuff anon, did you drop out of school or something?

>>16770420
it's trivial. likely it would cost even less energy considering how well insulated a refrigerator is compared to using your house's AC.

>>16770397
>Literally no one thinks that
Yes, I know at least one person who does.

>>16770397
>That's not how a fridge works dumbass
Yes, that is how a fridge works.
The greater the temperature inside the fridge, the harder the compressor has to work. Plus, you're momentarilly heating up whatever you put it next to.

That said, I'm not worried about putting warm food in the fridge. I can afford the pennies (if that) it will cost, and I'm not worried about the tiny part of the fridge's lifetime we're eating up.
Oh noes! It's gonna finally wear out 1t 11:25 on July 8th 2031 instead of 11:29 on July 8th, 2031. I wish I hadn't put all that hot shit in the fucking fridge!!!!

>>16770434
I didn't say it wasn't trivial. the thread is common misconceptions, not common trivial things people complain about. it's not a misconception that putting hot food in a fridge will consume more electricity.

>>16770443
i think the belief is that it'll fuck up your fridge, or make the other food go bad or something.

>>16770434
>less energy considering how well insulated a refrigerator is compared to using your house's AC.
anon, again, conversation of energy. cooling the inside of the fridge will cause your house to heat up which will in turn effect your AC usage. it's less efficient because of the heat losses from the pump on top of that. it's more efficient to let your food come to room temp outside the fridge.
>>16770454
the post I replied to stated in plain english that the belief was that it heats up your fridge
>because it'll heat up the fridge

>>16762251
>Turkey meat is not particularly high in tryptophan, and does not cause more drowsiness than other foods.[8]
Okay but this one has to be true though. I always get more sleepy after Thanksgiving dinner then gorging on other kinds of food every time.

>>16770457
fridge cool food faster than ambient air.
less time in range where bacteria can grow.
better to put food into fridge immediately, so less bacteria and food go bad less fast.

>>16770460
>. I always get more sleepy after Thanksgiving dinner
Of course you do. Me too.
Go Google "thanksgiving dishes". It's almost entirely heavy carbs. Potatoes, sweet potatoes, green bean casserole, stuffing. dinner rolls, that shit will put your ass to sleep.

That said, you've never fucking lived until you get high right before eating thanksgiving dinner.

>>16770467
sure, I'm not arguing against that. that still doesn't make it less energy efficient to put hot food in the fridge.

>>16762251
That point about capsaicin explains why my hands burned all night after chopping a single jalapeno the other day. Got way too grabby with it.

>>16762335
>Most food is edible long after its expiration date, with the exception of some perishables.[6]

Being stale is considered expired. You can still eat things stale.

>>16762283
sneeds rice and seed

>>16762370
i don't remember this criterion film...

>>16768313
so lead DOESN'T taste SWEET!?! you better taste some and tell us

>>16770736
no, elemental lead does not taste sweet. lead (II) acetate does. google sugar of lead, the romans used to use it to sweeten wine.

>>16762862
i hate when old chefs use these terms like "sear every side so it looks in the juices" youre just cooking the fat and that makes it taste better JFC

>>16762370
>>16770605
Billy Has Two Moms

>>16768259
#3: there is nothing wrong with blood anyway

>>16762586
>spices were a luxury item
>proven wrong by cooking youtubers that go through old ass cookbooks and recipes that show people had access to spices
They didn't have access to EVERY spice available because worldwide 2day shipping wasn't available but to say they had access to no spices is retarded.

>>16771085
Define "old-ass"

>>16771156
Romans n sheet

>>16762370
Not true in Texas, and probably most states in America.

t. vendor

>>16762251
>common
One source per misconception
>not even proper sources
Yeah nah

>>16771085
>old ass cookbooks
Nigga, the target audience for these books were rich people or their cooks. Plebs didn't read

>>16770554
Don't ever wipe your eyes after chopping peppers.

>>16771085
Going by John Townsend, I get the impression colonial Americans had a shit-ton of nutmeg and little else.

>>16771208
>Not true in Texas,
Seems unlikely.
>and probably most states in America.
Definitely not true.
Hell, even Lowes and Home Depot are consignment stores.

>>16762251
>poison candy on halloween is a myth
wikipedia kikes should all be hanged

same article has these passages
In 1959, a California dentist, William Shyne, gave candy-coated laxative pills to trick-or-treaters. He was charged with outrage of public decency and unlawful dispensing of drugs

and

In a 1974 case, an 8-year-old boy from Deer Park, Texas, died after eating a cyanide-laced package of Pixy Stix. A subsequent police investigation eventually determined that the poisoned candy had been planted in his trick-or-treat pile by the boy's father, Ronald Clark O'Bryan, who also gave out poisoned candy to other children in an attempt to cover up the murder, though no other children consumed the poisoned treats.

and now they claim it is a """"MYTH"""" because tehee, it wasn't """"deadly"""" when it actually happened and the one time it was deadly the children did not eat the candy and the father just wanted to kill his own son
I fucking hate Jewish pilpul and autistic thinking patterns so much

>>16771501
You're the autist you dumb fuck.
>26453 billion trick or treaters
>one gets laxatives
>teehee it happened once, it can't be considered a myth!

>>16771516
>There are no known cases of children having been killed or seriously injured by poisoned candy or fruit given to them by strangers at Halloween or any other time

>>16771516
the point is that it is generally dangerous to take food from a stranger, because something could be in it you retard
especially if it is not a random event but something said stranger could have prepared for

and your autism logic is what? because it happend only once (which it didn't) it is a myth? are you retarded?

every normal person instinctively knows A there are fucked up people who want to harm children B it could happen C it happened

only autistic kikes like you play semantics and call it a myth you filthy kike
I swear, if I see you with another foreskin between your teeth shlomo I will snap your neck

>>16771501
>>poison
>>16771501
>laxative pills
That's not poison.

>>16762251
>no known cases of children having been killed or seriously injured by poisoned candy or fruit given to them by strangers
>STRANGERS
>>16771501
>the poisoned candy had been planted in his trick-or-treat pile by the boy's father,
>FATHER

>>16771501
>I fucking hate Jewish pilpul
I'm sure they love _you_ though.
I'm Catholic, and I'll pray for you tonight, Anon, bless your heart.

>>16771533
>generally dangerous to take food from a stranger,
I'm sure it seems dangerous to you, friend-o.
But in practice, we've been doing it for over 100 years now, and it's worked out fine so far.

And don't forget: ALL the food you buy at the store is provided by "strangers".

>>16771533
>because it happend only once (which it didn't)
So far, you haven't shown any instances besides your pixie-stix story, and even that one seems sketchy.
You got a link?

>>16771533
>C it happened
Except it hasn't.

>>16771533
>kikes like you
>>16771533
>you filthy kike
>>16771533
>foreskin between your teeth shlomo
>I will snap your neck
Anon, please resolve your personal emotional issues before posting on a SFW board.

>>16771581
thanks for confirming your autism

>strangers can put stuff in candy to harm children
>what? no one puts stuff in candy and gave it to children
>what about that dentist who gave laxatives to children
>well, no one puts poison in candy, it was just a laxative
>what about the father who gave cyanide candy to his son and other kids
>well, no stranger gave poison to kids because it was the father
>what about the other documented cases of strangers poisoning children
>well, that didnt happen on halloween, so no stranger put poison in candy on halloween

see how retarded you sound?
you base it being a myth by moving the goalpost ala no true scotsman
I sure hope you never procreate

>>16771593
>before posting on a SFW board
go downvote me reddit kike

>>16771602
>>strangers can put stuff in candy to harm children
>>what? no one puts stuff in candy and gave it to children
>>what about that dentist who gave laxatives to children
Pure strawman. Nobody made these claims.

>>what about the father who gave cyanide candy to his son
Not a stranger. Not sure why you're so desperate to refute claims no-one has made.

>and other kids
Which they just magically didn't eat? Still waiting for a link or source.

>>what about the other documented cases of strangers poisoning children
This is new. That's moving the goalposts. And you haven't shown us any cases of that anyway.

How about instead of "refuting" things nobody has said here, you go back to /b/ and download more pictures of underage boys in drag?

>>16771606
Most people here don't act like this. Maybe your attitude is more suited to /b/, /pol/, or even /news/.

>>16770397
If you put really hot food in it can warm other stuff up. It's only really a concern if you're talking about putting a gallon of hot soup in or something though.

>>16771526
>by strangers
>the poisoned candy had been planted in his trick-or-treat pile by the boy's father

>>16763107
>refuse to eat food heated with it.
becuse its nasty and rubbery
miss me with your nuked slop

>>16770052
it unironically does increase the internal temp but it wont be enough to create an unsafe environment for other things. I had always heard that is the condensation that causes bacteria which isnt true either
basically just stick shit in the fridge. its safer than having it lukewarm and wet on the counter

>>16772557
>becuse its nasty and rubbery
Depends on what you do and how you do it.
I'd rather not use to reheat pizza, but it's good for steaming veggies, cooking eggs, making mashed 'taters, heating up soup, and lots of other stuff.
It's not the best for bacon, but it's not too bad.

>>16772572
>unironically
This word has lost all meaning at this point.
I weep for what we've done to the English language.

>>16770052
I do this, but only if it's something like a pot of food I just finished cooking on the stove.
Try putting a burning-hot, heavy pot of freshly-cooked something directly on a frosty-cold glass shelf and see what happens. (keep cheesecloth nearby to staunch blood from broken glass wounds)

That said, there is literally no other reason to do it, especially if you don't have glass shelves in your fridge.

>>16769004
wait a minute is the reason pussy tastes like coins because its full of gross bacteria??? AAAAAHHHHHHH

>>16772595
We raped "literally" until it completely stopped moving, and now we've used up every hole "unironically" had left.

We don't have many other words to mean "something real in actual terms that actually happened", but I guarantee you that the second we find the next one, it too shall be plowed into mush by people just itching to use it in place of the word "basically" until it loses meaning as well.

>>16762251
I'm surprised they do not have a section on how utensils and plates are a non necessary part of your meal. Eating directly of the table or countertop with your hands for every meal is the best way to eat if you ask me. I've been doing it for years now and it has simplified my life so much. Doing the dishes for me is spraying the counter top with my garden hose (I have to pull it through the window that's the only hassle) and washing my hands with said hose. It makes me feel like a caveman. Like a primal force has taken over my body and I just lose myself in every meal.

>>16771443
I've been watching "Tasting History with Max Miller" and he's pretty similar to Townsend but he's been going into more like old european recipes he can find

>>16772795

>>16772826
>Tasting History with Max Miller
Why would you watch a homosexual?

>>16762283
And feed

>>16772963
well you do it every time you look in a mirror what's your excuse?

>>16771501
seething NT /pol/tard

>>16762251
>(((common misconceptions)))

>>16772667
>it actually does increase the internal temp...
See, that wasn't so hard. Not so sure why we need a new word for something already standard. "Ironic" was misused to mean sarcasm. It's just dumb ESLs, probably Indian ESLs, who think they're using the word right, and then every retard on this shit ass site thinks it's funny and cool and part of the zany 4chan culture. The hyperbole version of "literally" isn't as bad. Hell, speaking of literally, you literally could have used literally in place of the ESL word "unironically" and it would have literally made sense.