/ck/ - Food & Cooking

pork lard. easier to get and thus cheaper.

I use lard but I would like to try with tallow.

>>16751476
No as I do not want to have a heart attack.

/fit/ here

beef tallow is probably the healthiest thing you could fry with since it has the lowest concentration of poly/monounsaturated fat, and lard is a close second

>>16751476
I'm not sure where to buy it for a reasonable price. I've only seen it for like $1 per ounce because it's not that common and it's being sold as an artisanal trendy thing. But I can make ghee for about 20 cents per ounce which has a similarly high smoke point.

>>16751488
disproven 1970s retard tier "science"

>>16751505
>disproven
According to who?

>>16751505
EXCUSE ME but the television said that saturated fat causes heart attacks.

>>16751488
you don't deserve those numbers

>>16751518
>television
I think you mean the american heart association.

>>16751502
>$1 per ouncet
That's a boody scam.
I can get 1kg of lard for $1.4 usd

>>16751540
Good quality lard? I can find cheap lard in most grocery stores but it's the hydrogenated stuff with preservatives. Plain lard in health food stores is where it's $1 per ounce but that's too expensive. I've heard Mexican markets will sell cheap fresh lard since they use it a lot more often but I haven't checked any out yet.

>>16751525
>the american heart association.
the same AHA who quietly backed off their reccomendation for limiting dietary cholesterol due to no compelling evidence. the same is true for saturated fat but they don't want to admit it for what I think are obvious reasons.

>>16751513
>According to who?
according to all the high quality evidence that has been buried and ignored for decades. the fact that you can't produce a single clinical trial where saturated fat causes harm is very telling. its not for a lack of trying many studies have attempted and all came back NULL

>>16751554
>facebook tier "infographic"
typical. I now know the level of discourse.
Have a good day, anon!

>>16751566
There are literally sources and URLs at the bottom of the image so you can verify the information.

>>16751550
I buy it in places where they sell pork related products.
One place sells carnitas and chicharrones and the other place sells pork meat and other pork stuff.

>>16751566
>lists sources at the bottom
>dismiss it anyway and act snarky
>run away like you've won an internet argument
damn why are you doing this

I only cook with this stuff and butter.

>>16751583
good choice

grass fed beef tallow is one of the best things to cook with

No. Mainly, because there isn't a butcher in bumfuck egypt that sells this without it being retardedly high price.

>>16751488
https://youtu.be/rQmqVVmMB3k

>>16751566
>""We undertook writing this advisory prompted partly by the fact that the 2015 Dietary Guidelines for Americans (DGA) said that cholesterol is not a nutrient of concern because the intake of the average American was on an appropriate level," Jo Ann Carson, PhD, RDN, professor of clinical nutrition at University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas and chair of the AHA Science Advisory committee that developed the advisory"
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/922980

this is one of the fundemental pillars of diet for preventing heart disease jettisoned. no big press announcement of course because who wants to advertise their past half century of and continuing failure

>>16751603
good stuff but for the full unabridged version read Big Fat Surprise. fact check and recieved glowing reviews in the BMJ and some other medical journal that eludes me at the moment.
tldr; inflammatory oils + sugar + refined carbs = our current metabolic mess

>>16751603
>>16751621
related and worth a read for those interested
>"On saturated fats, for example, the committee did not ask the NEL to conduct a formal review of the literature from the past five years, even though this topic clearly merited re-examination. When the committee started its work in 2012, there had been several prominent papers, including a meta-analysis5 and two major reviews (one systematic)67 that failed to confirm an association between saturated fats and heart disease."
https://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h4962

>>16751554
>backed off their reccomendation for limiting dietary cholesterol
They found that any particular limit was not based in evidence. Their recommendation was still to consume little amounts.

>>16751648
>not based in evidence.
that's the key point. there was never high quality evidence that reducing it in the diet would prevent disease. one could add some reasonable suspicion that limiting those foods could indeed cause harm by exacerbating nutrient deficiencies.

American seed oil companies really fucked us up for profit. They literally killed millions.

So I decided to save the fat I trimmed off the duck breast I bought. Normally I slice off a bit to use immediately for cooking said duck or whatever vegetables I'm cooking for the meal and toss the rest but it feels like a huge waste as I usuallywill but duck breast/legs once a month. Does anyone know how long the fat can keep for in the fridge, and is there any particular way I should store it? Currently just have it in a sandwich bag in my crisper drawer.

>>16751656
>nutrient deficiencies.
which on top of the epidemics of chronic disease are just then cherry on top of our metabolic mess. the health of society is walking towards a cliff.

>>16751554
the same aha that was founded by procter and gamble, the same company that invented crisco and needed to convince americans to buy it instead of animal fat?

>>16751656
The key point is that they couldn't find a particular limit because of differences in baseline cholesterol. They do not recommend regular consumption of it

>>16751661
There might've been some legitimate need in the beginning in that a lot of people really couldn't afford anything other than basic carbs for most of their calories, so having even cheap processed vegetable oil would've improved their health. But I don't think that's necessary anymore and we need to work on improving the quality of the food supply now since food security doesn't seem to be quite as much of an issue.

>>16751697
>differences in baseline cholesterol
except serum cholesterol is poor or useless in predicting cvd risk most of the time. HDL and trig are better. scary saturated fat raises hdl, and carbohydrate and sugars raise trigs. surely this isn't still controversial?

>>16751722
>"The Japan Society for Lipid Nutrition has drawn up new guidelines stating that high cholesterol levels are better for living longer, defying conventional wisdom."
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2010-09-high-cholesterol-longevity.html

the Japanese are paying attention but I doubt the truth will ever get out in the US. too cucked by big pharma and big ag

>>16751746
"When examining all causes of death, such as cancer, pneumonia and heart disease, the number of deaths attributable to LDL cholesterol levels exceeding 140 mg/dl is less than people with lower LDL cholesterol levels."

The lipid nutrition society guidelines do not posit new criteria, but Hamazaki cited some study results to prove his thesis.

According to a eight-year study of about 26,000 men and women in Isehara, Kanagawa Prefecture, the death rate of men whose LDL cholesterol levels were between 100 mg/dl and 160 mg/dl was low, while the rate rose for those with LDL cholesterol levels of less than 100 mg/dl."

the US is too busy shilling soymeat and meat replacements.

>>16751476
yes because its what we use at outback

>>16751756
based if true

>>16751476
ketolards are a mental illness

>>16751768
you can eat tallow without doing the keto diet

>>16751492
>>16751563
>since it has the lowest concentration of poly/monounsaturated fat
There is a reason why saturated fat is required to be on labels and unsaturated fats (poly / mono) are not. You people are retarded. To say something as retarded as suggesting unsaturated fats are bad shows just how ignorant you are of reality. Enjoy having a heart attack.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20071648/
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/the-truth-about-fats-bad-and-good

>>16751768
Did a ketolard kill your dog anon? Why are you so obsessed with them?

>>16751768
good goy eat are totally healthier oils that just so happen to be more profitable

>>16751764
yeah its fucking hell to clean the fryers and anywhere the oil gets becomes a fucking glob coated hellscape
no we dont filter enough

>>16751778
" A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies"
in the trash it goes. worth noting my point >>16751563 is still uncontested. once again there is no high quality evidence to suggest saturated fats raise CVD risk

>>16751778
"limit the saturated fats, and replace with essential polyunsaturated fats"
now if you were to ask what happened in the clinical trials testing this you might be on to something.
"And because the Minnesota participants were in institutions that prepared all their meals and kept records, the scientists knew exactly what they ate for up to 56 months. Many nutrition studies have foundered because people misremember, or lie about, what they ate.

Analyzing the reams of old records, Ramsden and his team found, in line with the “diet-heart hypothesis,” that substituting vegetable oils lowered total blood cholesterol levels, by an average of 14 percent.

But that lowered cholesterol did not help people live longer. Instead, the lower cholesterol fell, the higher the risk of dying: 22 percent higher for every 30-point fall. Nor did the corn-oil group have less atherosclerosis or fewer heart attacks."

>>16751793
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/records-found-in-dusty-basement-undermine-decades-of-dietary-advice/
https://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i1246

its worth noting that this is the RECOVERED Minnesota Coronary Experiment. It is recovered because the researchers hid the data because they "were disappointed in the result" this is not science this is nonsense

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>>16751782
this is the alcoholism and complaining about bong food board. For the fighting about keto board, you want >>>/fit/

Ignore the retard and keep going.

>>16751585
All beef is grass fed.

>>16751805
por que no los dos?

>>16751661
The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. Seed oil is the sequel to Victorian era adulterating bread with plaster of paris and putting borax in spoilt milk.

I use vegetable oil, it's healthier.

>>16751505
Ketolards, everyone

Go on, post body.

>>16751829
No, most are corn fed

>>16752101
Corn is a kind of grass

>>16752164
corn is a grain.

>>16751476
No, but I use bacon grease a lot, I even have one of these bacon grease collector things. It's damn well useful.
The screen that catches burnt bits is easily removable and washed out under some tap water.

>>16752181
Grains are all grasses anon, family Poaceae

>>16752189
lol smoke the loco weed d00d

>>16752184
Gib link. I've been procrastinating on making my own with a glass and cheese clothe.

>>16751476
I fry wit da Witt.

>>16752164
>Corn is a kind of grass
So is bamboo.

>>16752199
Yes, and bamboo is delicious

>>16752197
I looked but can't find the link for my specific one anymore and it was years ago that I bought it so don't have the printed receipt anymore.
Just do a reverse image search on it, that'll get you started.

I use duck fat for most cooking. Fried breakfast potatoes or hash in duck fat is heavenly

>>16751476
this and ghee

>>16751488
debunked

>>16751663
You can render the fat by slow cooking, which removes the water and allows it to last longer. Or if you're incredibly lazy, put into a ziplock bag and toss into the freezer. I'm a little hurt you've been tossing out duck fat this whole time. It's the best to cook eggs in, they come out beautifully.

>>16751488
Cooking with vegetable oil over lard quite literally causes heart attacks.

>>16751805
It's got nothing to do with keto.

>>16751476
i thought tallow was yellow
how it turn white

>>16752027
>Go on, post body.
not an argument fag

>>16754058
Thanks for the feedback anon, I'll probably just be lazy and freeze it then. And yeah after the third time or so of me tossing out a decent amount of excess fat I could otherwise be using to cook with I realized I really could just be saving it. It had only recently occured to me I could use it instead of EVOO for pan frying and I saved a little more than half of what I trimmed off

>>16751492
>/fit/ here

Cringe

>>16751476
Yes, I use beef fat for almost all cooking. I just buy large quantities of marrow bones from my local butcher for $0.79/lb. I roast them off in my oven and store the fat, then make stock concentrate with the bones or just give them to my 4 dogs. I get about a quart of beef fat, and 15lb of bones each time, and it lasts me more than a month cooking everyday.

>>16751710
>implying anything created during the early states of the industrial revolution was made for anything other than profit

Vegetable oils literally only exist as a way to profit from waste products created during harvesting. Beef and pork fat is something our bodies evolved to process. Vegetable oils in a large quantity are completely foreign to us. No what this shit is good for us.

>>16751710
>implying anything created during the early states of the industrial revolution was made for anything other than profit

Vegetable oils literally only exist as a way to profit from waste products created during harvesting. Beef and pork fat is something our bodies evolved to process. Vegetable oils in a large quantity are completely foreign to us. No way this shit is good for us.

>>16751488
>he fell for the american 'vegetable oil' industry propaganda
I bet you're scared of MSG too