/ck/ - Food & Cooking

the alternative is heating up a pot and waiting for it to boil every time you want boiled water.

>>16683538
isnt that what a kettle is?

Wonder if it uses less electricity than a electronic stove or microwave would to boil the same amount of water

>>16683538
It's just a kettle minus needing to buy a stove separately.

>>16683613
It would if you boil multiple kettles a day since it's probably a lot more energy efficient to keep it just below boiling than going from cold to boiling each time

>>16683538
Holy shit I want a hard boiled egg now

>>16683775
Oh shit that’s not an egg lol but I still want one I thought it was a egg

>>16683538
Ummmm, couldn't you use a Keurig (assuming you had one) without the pod?

>>16683613
Significantly.

>>16683785
You could but you don't get as much water.

how come thermopots didnt take off in the west? my household has one I find it extremely convenient

>>16683822
we have electric kettles.

>>16683822
They're everywhere outside of most households. Most people just use a kettle since they don't need a constant source of boiling water or hot coffee or whatever

I use an electric kettle since ive forgotten ones i've placed on the stove top so many times that multiple kettle have had charred black bottoms lol

>>16683613
Brainlet here, but wouldn't that go against some law in physics; doesn't it always take the same amount of energy to bring the same amount of water to a boil?

>>16683998
Some devices are more efficient at transferring energy to the water rather than to the air or light or something

>>16683998
You would also be heating the pan in a stove. Microwaves are magic and waste a LOT of energy

>>16684046
>Microwaves are magic

>>16683901
>>16683822

Thernopot + electric kettle is the best combo.

Boil 2L of water and make 5 cups of tea that can be hot for hours.

OP, I actually own one of these (a Zojirushi, specifically) and I use it every day. It's so much better than having to repeatedly put a kettle on. Also it's great if you have weak and shaky hands like I do. I poured boiling water on myself once while trying to make tea and decided afterward to get one because my hand stability has been going out the window.

>>16684401
Jesus how old are you?

>>16684420
I'm 25, but I have had shaky hands since I discontinued antidepressants at 18 (they never got better) and my health started declining significantly when I was 23.
I really enjoy Japanese products and food so that was part of my decision to get a Zoji instead of a thermopot. I have a kotatsu in my home, for example. So I'm kind of a weaboo in poor health. My husband has to help me walk sometimes when it gets real bad like it did today.
So I guess to answer your question anon, I'm not old but I have some problems that elderly people also have.

I finally realized the utility of an electric kettle after I got a travel mug

>>16683779
are u okay man

>>16684448
you and tony egg again?

>>16683538
the thing is to have hot water ready to go
its definitely an asian thing
and holy shit never have in my life realized how much of a big difference it makes to have hot water on hand when you just want it
it sounds stupid or simple or you may not even notice it but having it already hot on hand just makes life easier than to having wait like 5-10 minutes

>>16684430
not OP here but he's a fucking alcoholic and that's why he shakes.

>>16684430
take your meds

>>16683741
Anon they sell electric kettles.

These things generally don't actually get to 100 degrees so they're kinda crap for black tea

>>16683538
For someone who drinks a lot of tea, these are a godsend since it means you have hot water at the ready all the time. Also, it consumes less electricity to maintain the temperature of the water than it does to boil from tap.

>>16684865
These are really meant for green, white, and oolong teas as well as making hot cocoa and instant coffee.

>>16683998
This applies that every device would be 100% efficient at delivering energy into the water.

Do people really not use these.
I'm an American and one of these is probabaly the device I use the most besides a basic pan.

>>16685195
Honestly, it really depends on how often in your day-to-day life that you need hot water. For those who don't drink many hot beverages, they likely would have no need of an appliance like this.

>>16684865
>These things generally don't actually get to 100 degrees
Yes they do.
they go up to a boil and then let the water cool down to 98 or whatever temp you set and keep it there.
You can just press the reheat button if you need 100 again.

>>16683919
>So retarded he's managed to burn water

>>16683538
You boil your toilet water?

>>16683538
That doesn't look like a microwave.

>>16684865
They do 97.8c which is generally good enough.

Black tea doesn't NEED 212F/100C the recommended range for black tea is generally about 180-210F or about 83-99C

So 97.8C should suffice unless you're just autistic.

>>16683568
yes. shit thread

>>16683538
Yes and it does it well

>>16683538
I just use this, apparently in english its called a cezva

>>16685826
Isn't that one of those Filipino butt-cleansing cups?

Don't you first-worlders have water heaters for your showers and stuff? Why not just connect that to your kitchen faucet too and get hot water from the tap directly?
>inb4 tap water isn't safe to drink
If my third-world ass can drink water straight from the tap, I'm sure yours are far more potable.

>>16685901
because i don't wash myself in boiling water

>>16685901
>Don't you first-worlders have water heaters for your showers and stuff?
I'm pretty certain these things are illegal in countries where people haven't suffered massive brain damage from lead poisoning.

>>16685901
Our water heaters aren't turned up that high. Usually they aren't above 120f.

>an entire appliance just to boil water

Its much faster than using a pot.

>>16683822
So its just an electric kettle but also a thermos bottle? Some do exist, but they're kinda rare since boiling a small amount of water doesn't take that long anyways.

this is only semirelated but can anyone help me boil eggs in a microwave? for reasons not worth going into, I only have a microwave. I want boiled eggs. They just fucking blow up. What do I do? There's gotta be a way

>>16686092

>>16686101
>>16686092
Oh yeah, timing is ~4 minutes based on a 1500w microwave and 2 eggs

For more eggs, add another minute or two, and for lower wattage microwaves you'll need to add more time as well.

>>16686101
Thanks, I have concerns but I just dump salt in the water and it won't explode? whats the worst that could happen I guess, it's already exploding so it cant get much worse I'll try

>>16686121
If that doesn't work, some people claim poking holes in the top with a thumbtack makes it not explode since it can release pressure through the hole.

>>16686121
Just boil the water in the microwave in an insulated container and then put the eggs in the boiled water. The residual heat should cook them.

>>16685901
It's unsafe to cook with hot water from the tap because it rests in the pipes for too long where it can develop bacteria and shit.

>>16684448
I’m okay bro. I was just having a rough night when I thought that was an egg.

>>16686101
>egg explosions
>not eggsplosions
Missed opportunity

>use a kettle on an induction stove
>decent efficiency
>complete control over how hot the water is
>if I have any water leftover I can just drop it into a nice cozy vacuum flask and reheat later if necessary on a low heat
These things and temperature control kettles seem like great gadgets until you realise that traditional options and even devices like flasks can mog them on energy output and longevity. No electronics to fail, no constant energy usage just simple water at whatever temperature you desire.

>>16686217
hope u are feeling better now

>>16686162
In 1st world countries your gas boiler/water heater has a secondary water heater in storage that can be enabled to keep water temperature above 60c. IIRC this only happens to prevent legionella but it's usually efficient for a day or so over using gas to boil large amounts of water again.

>>16683613
from what I understand this is on the same principle as the small water tank heater like you have under a sink
you have a pot of hot water, that pot is constantly cooling down and you need to keep reheating it, which wastes a lot of energy
it's better than microwave, which mostly heats up the magnetron
>>16683998
1kWh of electricity will give you 1kWh of heat
problem is, that heat is not being perfectly delivered to the water you want to boil, but rather the device itself, then the room and then it leaves through the windows
The most efficient is one of these, you only heat the water flowing through the pipe and nothing else.
there are fancy taps that have a button to dispense boiling hot water

>>16685901
Hot water heaters are filthy, they are never cleaned out and always filled with water. There's rust, mineral deposits, and bacterial colonies on the insides of them. Also they never actually boil the water. Hot water tanks are only for bathing and washing. This is why British sinks still have two taps, rather than the integrated faucet common elsewhere.

>>16683538
my roommate has a fuck off huge one in our tiny kitchen. he has tea like once in the am and once in the evening, meanwhile this device is constantly trying to a gallon of water hot alll day long. seems like an energy waster to me

+ it doesnt even get water near boiling. i still have to pour this water in a pot continue boiling it another 5minutes just to make my coffee in the morning.

this thing seems like a waste unless your constantly drinking tea and eating ramen soup packet thingys, am i wrong

and it takes up a lot of space on our tiny economy sized kitchen, fuck

>>16686309
seems compact enough to me

>>16686309
>it doesnt even get water near boiling. i still have to pour this water in a pot continue boiling it another 5minutes just to make my coffee in the morning.
I mean if he's set it to 60c then that's fine if they're not using black tea.
As for you requiring 5 minutes? How the fuck is it taking you 5 minutes? 1kw only really takes about 3 minutes for 500ml~ or so from room temp for me. You boiling this shit on your amd CPU?

>>16686297
Electrician here. These things are a goddamn scam and extremely inefficient.

>>16686328
>>16686297
Don't these things work like a thermostatic shower? It takes an incredible amount of energy for showers to work and heat in realtime. My shower uses 9kw and gets to around 40-45c only.
I bet some math nerd could figure out how many kw you'd require to heat water to 60-80c etc fast. Then I imagine there's waste heat and power once you've stopped.

>>16686351
>9kw
wtf do you have that hooked up to?

>>16686328
that particular design is probably too wimpy, but it has a picture of how it works
I have a wall mounted one and it works exactly as advertised
>>16686351
yeah, basically
I bet your heater could go higher, but for safety its thermostat is software limited to that. Because they don't want people suing them when their 5yo child sets it to 100°C and then get 2nd degree burns all over.
>I bet some math nerd could figure out how many kw you'd require to heat water to 60-80c etc fast
counter-intuitively, heating water fast takes EXACTLY the same amount of energy as heating it slowly - in theory
in practice, even more counter-intuitively, heating water fast takes lesser amount of energy than heating it slowly because if you do it fast, almost none of the heat has time to convect away

Problem is, a fast heater needs to be built to handle higher electric current and therefore will be more expensive
a lot of stupid people buy weak one thinking they are saving money AND power and then will be whining how they got scammed

>>16686548
You usually only see these things in countries with 220v power. They are able to pull far more power from the wall per amp than the 110v countries. 9kw at 110v is 81.8 Amps whereas 9kw at 220v is only 40.9 amps.

>>16685462
i've done it to melt a blockage

>>16683822
British have kettles and Americans just use a microwave.

>>16686622
40A is still too much for 220V
9kw heaters are indeed wired on 2 phase 400V
>>16686632
I don't believe Americans use microwaves to boil water for tea

>>16684686
They sell electric stoves.

I have one but I don't use it much anymore because I make a large pot of tea and leave it on the stove to stay warm for like half a day. If I make a tea that's good cold too I make it in a larger pot and keep half in a bottle for the next day.

>>16685901
>Why not just connect that to your kitchen faucet too
It already is. That water is hot enough to wash in, but not hot enough to make coffee or tea.
Plus nobody ever remembers to change out the anode in the heater so it doesn't exactly taste the best.

>>16686646
i saw my stepmom put a big glass pitcher with water and teabags in the microwave for several minutes

>>16683613
a lot would depend on your altitude.
a kettle will boil water in 1min versus a stove which'll take 10, but it takes longer the higher up you live.

>>16683822
i mean they have as well, just you wont find them in the average family home.
autoboilers or thermopots like in OPs pic are usually what you see in like... a small business or an office that's too small to have a proper coffee machine; especially if you work with a lot of people who drink tea instead of coffee.

>>16686323
200 dollerydoos for a 25 dollar kettle stuck in the on position.

>>16687943
it's a luxury product, but it's nice to have on your desk so you can make your tea 4+ times a day without needing to get up.

>multiple appliances just to heat things up

>>16686548
Better be at least 8/3 AWG if u need a neutral on euro 240

>>16686646
>I don't believe Americans use microwaves to boil water for tea
I do, all the time. only takes about 2 minutes to boil a cup. However, I only do it once a day. If drank more cups of tea I'd probably do something different.

>>16686650
>electric stoves.

in the bin it goes.

>>16685173
>as well as making hot coco

you dont use water to make hot coco you idiot.

>>16685826
i have one of these and it makes great hot chocolate. its old as fuck so i should probably buy a new one.

>>16687943
In Japan, it is often used by people who want the ability to evaporate trace amounts of bacteria and disinfectants contained in tap water
For example, to make milk powder for babies.
They are often purchased as soon as a child is born, as the filtration system alone is not enough to completely remove the impurities.
You can get the same effect without it if you keep the water boiling for more than 10 minutes, but you never know when the baby will get hungry.

>>16686548
>he doesnt boil with water with 3 phase

>>16688181
>8/3 AWG
still pretty sure americans had to have some kind of contest to come up with the least intuitive unit of measurement for that one
>>16689695
I did work R&D on a nifty piece of equipment for thin films. First a 115kw infrared heater, then two heating plates each about 100kw. I always wondered, true to /ck/, what the pizza throughput would be, sadly never got to check it out.
But then, 25million bucks is probably a bit much for a pizza oven.

i like to boil water in plastic receptacles

>>16689393
no wonder they all have autism

>>16690122
FOR ME, IT'S LEAD

>>16687316
Dont teabags have staples?

>>16687408
Asians (in America) use them at home quite a lot.

>>16687965
>without having to get up
>what is urination

>>16690920
You just buy a 5 liter bucket or so to piss in bro, easily solved.

>>16690920
The kitchen is downstairs, bathroom is right next door to my office.

>>16690934
So you still have to get up to piss. baka