/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>16360852
Oh and if guys have been a victim of child abuse let me know okay? I find it hot.

>>16360852
Calories in < calories out


It's that simple.

OP here, forgot to mention that I guzzle two gallons of horse semen a day for protein. You don’t even have to heat it up, it’s clean already. Just drink it fresh from the source.

>>16360852
somebody post ketotard

ENGLISH BREAKFAST
>4 Pork Sausages
>6 Strips Of Back Bacon
>4 Eggs
>1 Tomato
>2 Cups Of Mushrooms
>1 Can Of Baked Beans
>Unsweetened Tea or Coffee
1. Fry up the bacon
2. Grill the tomatoes an mushrooms
3. Grill the sausages
4. Heat up some baked beans
5. Cook the eggs sunny side up
5. Plate
6. Make yourself a nice glass of unsweetened tea or black coffee, big boi. You earned it.

Give up PUFA while you're at it

>>16360883
>Can Of Baked Beans
no anon

>>16360883
beans are carb

>>16360861
This.

Get some self restraint OP.

>>16360852
>FOOD CALORIES ARE REAL I SWEAR! SCIENCE SAYS SO AND YOU WOULDN'T DOUBT PEOPLE BEING PAID FOR SAYING THEY EXIST RIGHT?
>YES THROWING FOOD INTO A VACUUM OVEN AND BURNING THEM WITH OUTSIDE ENERGY IS TOTALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE HUMAN DIGESTIVE SYSTEM WHERE APPLES GET SET ON FIRE
>W-WHAT DO YOU MEAN I NEED TO TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW MANY FOOD CALORIES ARE NEEDED TO CREATE OR LOSE ONE POUND OF BODYFAT AND BY WHICH PROCESS THIS HAPPENS? THAT'S NOT HOW SCIENCE WORKS! TRUST THE SCIENTISTS!!!

>>16360852
>>No bread
>>No pasta
>>No potatoes
>>No rice
>AND…
>>No soda
>>No juice
>>No creamer
>>No fruit
Most of these are processed foods which is why they're not really good for you. There doesn't seem to be as much of an issue with unprocessed forms of carbs, like nobody gets fat on fruit but juice can easily add hundreds of calories every day without filling you up. You can skip carbs and just eat processed soy protein and refined vegetable oil but that won't be healthy either.

>>16360852

True, the soda industry is capitalism, but so too are the meat and dairy industry.

If you really want to lose a fuckton of weight fast, take the potato pill.

>>16360852
Just eat normal portions of well balanced meals. We used to be thin. This isn't a magic trick

>>16360861
Coffee, tea, self-harm. All these are better alternatives.

>>16361453
I mean the issue is that that advice didn't work while low carb has a much higher success rate so might as well not cripple your chances.

>>16360858
I had my dick fondled by my uncle as a child and was introduced to porn at a young age and that messed with me on levels no one could ever begin to understand.

>>16361471
>that advice didn't work
Put down the fork.

>>16361471
Except the advice wasn’t usually to just eat normal portions of balanced meals. The more common advice was to try and completely eliminate as much fat from your diet as possible, which just leaves people feeling hungry. Simply cutting out all processed food will make it easier to lose weight and it's much easier to do that compared to trying to avoiding all carbs as much as possible.

>>16361494

Just eat one meal a day and walk for an hour every day lol

>>16361703
Yeah, you need fat in your diet to absorb certain nutrients and to feel properly satiated. But I also don't really feel satiated when trying to completely eliminate carbs as much as possible either like on keto.

According to that site I'm basically doing low carb though. I always assumed low carb was the same as keto which means under 50g carbs per day? But I typically consume between 110 and 140g of carbs per day, mainly from whole grains, and that site says low carb is under 130g. I just eat however much whole wheat bread/brown rice/oats I want until I feel satisfied and then get the rest of my calories from eggs/meat/cheese/butter/olive oil. I don't see how you could get your carb intake much higher without switching to processed carbs like refined grains and sugar since they're less satiating, so I think processed food just being less healthy is still a big factor that should be focused on. Processed fats like refined vegetable oils aren't healthy either.

Since food security isn't much of an issue anymore and a big problem now is processed food making people sick we need to improve the quality of our food supply and eliminate junk food as much as possible.

>>16361246
>If you want to lose weight, eat carbs
retard

Ketards are so fucking annoying holy fuck. I guarantee you are not going into ketosis from your shitty meme diet, it is actually difficult to achieve because most all foods(including keto friendly shit) have some small amount of carbs. The reason keto causes weight loss it because most all cheap good food has lots of carbs, so you end up eating less. Ketards are just performing CICO without knowing it. KYS

>>16361940
except they're not and ketogenic diets are not calorie restricted they're carbohydrate restricted

>>16361940
>The reason keto causes weight loss it because most all cheap good food has lots of carbs, so you end up eating less.
It's not just carbs, but processed carbs which are still high in calories but don't keep you full as long. You can lose weight just by counting calories but if your diet is mostly refined carbs you're going to struggle as you'll feel hungry all the time compared to someone counting calories while eating meat and vegetables. But everyone I know who tried keto was previously consuming tons of soda, chips, candy, etc.

It's still better than the old advice people used to try and follow to lose weight by only eating lean fish or chicken and salads with fat free dressing. That just leads to people feeling hungry all the time too. And I think after a while most people doing keto will get tired of having to be so strict about carbs all the time too and will then look for healthier sources that they can eat without worrying.

>>16361899
open a book, it will blow your mind when you'll discover that the only essential nutrients for humans are protein and fat, carbohydrates are not essential, you can live a lifetime without eating a single gram of carbohydrates, why? cf : Gluconeogenesis.

The excuse "I need carbohydrates to feel full" is probably due to the fact that you cannot feel full until you eat enough carbohydrates, because you are probably insulin resistant. in other words, you may already have diabetes.

>>16361973
I know what gluconeogenesis is. Did you know that our bodies can also produce as much cholesterol as we need? Does that mean we should also avoid anything that contains cholesterol as well? Just because our bodies can produce something to avoid serious deficiency problems doesn't mean we're getting the ideal amount, it just means we're omnivores who can adapt to different diets.

Saying I might have diabetes because I feel more satisfied with a wider variety of foods in my diet compared to a more restricted diet is just silly.

>>16361476
Nice

>>16361969
Good point
>>16361966
Read my post again tard. Keto usually incidentally causes people to eat less calories, as keto food is more expensive, more filling, and more difficult to prepare. You aren't going into ketosis you are just eating less and less shitty food. Eating a balanced diet of unprocessed food(including carbs) will do the exact same thing

>>16360852
Just go on a caloric deficit, every diet works if you can stick to it.

>>16361986
>i only feel full when eating carbs
>but i'm not diabetic

>>16361992
Jokes on him though he went from living in a very nice neighborhood, to owning some very, very nice property; to losing it all and now lives very badly in a very bad city.

>>16361918

People get good results with this. People get good results with keto too, but keto gives you acetone-breath.

>>16361973

Well I need carbohydrates in order to think because your brain runs off either glucose or ketones and I don't have a month of "keto flu" in me.

>t. not diabetic or pre-diabetic

>>16362010
>i only feel full when eating carbs
That's not what I said. I said I feel more satisfied when eating fat, protein, and carbs, instead of just fat and protein.

Fuck it, no one reads studies and this study is hella-old, but I am sick of keto people acting like carbs are poison.

"No scientific evidence exists to suggest that the low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet has a metabolic advantage over more conventional diets for weight reduction. The fact remains, however, that some patients have lost weight on the low-carbohydrate diet “unrestricted in calories.” Why is this so? Yudkin and Carey[23] have reported experiments that provide an adequate explanation of the long-term weight loss that can occur when a “ketogenic” diet is consumed. These workers studied six obese adults who were carefully instructed in the weighing and recording of their complete diets. They were told to eat their usual food for two weeks. At the end of this time, they were asked to reduce the carbohydrate in their diets to about 50 gm/day for an additional two weeks and to eat as much protein and fat as they liked. Specifically, the subjects were told that they could eat unlimited amounts of such foods as meat, fish, eggs, cheese, butter, margarine, and cream. The intake of calories, protein, fat, and carbohydrate from the daily dietary records was then calculated."

https://atkinsfacts.org/opinions/american-medical-association/

Yudkin J, Carey M: The treatment of obesity by the “high-fat” diet. The inevitability of calories. Lancet 2:939-941, 1960.

>>16361973

>produces toxic byproducts including acetone
>Makes your breath smell like rotting apples

>>16362059
>Fuck it, no one reads studies and this study is hella-old, but I am sick of keto people acting like carbs are poison.
When it comes to stuff like this I don't see why I should read articles. I like experimenting and if something works then it worked. I don't do keto, I love my carbs but cutting them out for some time did trim some weight off.

>>16362037
>But I also don't really feel satiated when trying to completely eliminate carbs
>I just eat however much whole wheat bread/brown rice/oats I want until I feel satisfied

>bu...but...but tha..that's not what i said

I see we have a professional retard here

>>16362046
>But I also don't really feel satiated when trying to completely eliminate carbs
>I just eat however much whole wheat bread/brown rice/oats I want until I feel satisfied

>bu...but...but tha..that's not what i said

I see we have a professional retard here

>>16362077
Did you think I meant I literally sit down first with a giant bowl of carbs and eat that with nothing else until I start to feel full? If I didn't word that properly I just meant I have that whole wheat bread/brown rice/oats in a balanced meal including eggs/meat/cheese and vegetables, and I eat however much I want of everything until I feel satisfied.

>>16362069

Exactly. The only thing that matters is your own n=1 experience. Just experiment and figure out what works for you.

>>16361994
>You aren't going into ketosis
Check my pee stick, nerd.

>>16360852
Ja/ck/ is doing this and it isn't working for him. I think you're full of shit, OP.

>>16360883
>can of baked beans
that's carbs and sugar

>>16360852
go vegan keto with seitan, buy vital wheat gluten from baker's authority.

>>16362554
Looks more like you're pregnant.

>>16362554
do ketonerds really do this?

>NOOO YOU CAN'T EAT THE HECKIN CARBARINOS!

>>16362614
I am.
>>16362638
Yes. I could strip paint with my breath before until the acetone smell subsided.

Some food tips?
Cheese is fine, older the better (American cheese is not cheese and does not count)
Mayo is ok if you do it by yourself, processed mayo has sugar
Mustard is fine in theory, but processed has sugar, so buy mustard powder.
Basically all processed food is out, it has always sugar in it.
Wurstel are not ok, sausages are ok
Tomatoes are ok, but tomato sauce is not ok (if you do it with tomatoes is nearly OK)
Milk is ok? It should be but it's very fatty.

Also you can make pesto.

>>16362684
>Yes. I could strip paint with my breath before until the acetone smell subsided.
that's wild

A question for the nuts/experts:
Carrots are fine? Roasted carrots like roasted potatoes?
Naturally caramelized onions (aka with no added sugar) are fine?

What about msg and soy sauce?

>>16360861
I do this and I've been plateauing for about a month. My love handles WILL NOT FUCKING GO AWAY FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY I LIFT EVERY OTHER DAY I DO SIDE CRUNCHES EVERY DAY I BURN LIKE 4,000 CALS A DAY I ONLY EAT LIKE 1,000 T0 1,500 ZERO CARBS AT ALL AND MY LOVEHANDLES MOCK ME EVERY DAY I LOOK IN THE MIRROR. I think they're getting bigger even. I seriously feel like I'm going to fucking cry right now. They will not fucking go away. I'm just going to start doing rolling 72 hour fasts again. I'm fucking desperate at this point. I just don't understand. If fasting doesn't work I'm just going to cut them off with some hedge shears or something. I actually am totally comfortable with the rest of my body, and my tummy looks pretty flat from the side, at least my pecs stick out further than it, but THOSE FUCKING PUFFY FLUFFY LITTLE FAGGOT HOURGLASS LOVEHANDLES WILL. NOT. GO. AWAY. FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>16362899
Doesn't posting stale copypasta get old? I mean, do you giggle yourself to tears every time you do it? It seems like such a waste. Why not do something original, or have you no personality of your own?

>>16362899
Do more cardio

Reading all these replies makes me want to quit immediately.
>no beans
>no rice
>no fruit
Then wtf am I supposed to eat? I'm not gonna go vegetarian for this shit man. I'm ordering a baconator as we speak fuck this.

>>16362904
Take your fucking meds, it isn't pasta. They haunt me you fuck!

>>16362905
I do on my non-lifting days. I run and do farmer's walks.

but carbs are my favorite

>>16362928
That's your body. My brother has them and even at 10% body fat they are still there. So or you become a ultramarathon freak with 2% bfat or go for a liposuction.

>>16362899
>>16362928
look up body dysmorphic disorder (BDD)

>>16363045
That's cute and all, but I'm not imagining them. They're right fucking there.

>>16362928
Hi Skip Bayless

>>16360852
>no beer

>>16363124
Just switch to spirits. no carbs

>>16363124
I'll usually have a glass of red wine or two and still stay ketotic

>>16360858
When I had a cousin who was like 17/18 and I was like 10 and he would take me along with his friends while they smoked weed at the park and shit. Well one of his friends was my babysitter and she took a liking to me. One day while she was babysitting me she decided she wanted me to eat her out, and then had me kiss/suck her toes. I didn't really know what was going on so I just kinda went with it for the next 2 years or so until she moved away and I never saw her again.

>>16361918
The Irish were wicked skinny and all they ate was potatos and oniones

>>16363134
I'm a sissy that has to make mixers or use chasers to drink liquor
>>16363154
I cant have just a glass or 2 I end up drinking a bottle or 2

I actually eat very little but drink a 12 pack almost everyday and mixers too. I don't think I'll ever lose weight unless I stop being an alcoholic

>>16363068
youre hyper focusing on something no one cares for or would even notice, and it seems to be causing you mental distress.

>>16363197
Use sugar free mixers. Wa la

>>16363205
Fair enough.

>>16363155

Is pussy a carb?

just stop eating
snake diet

>>16364143
In your case it's kryptonite.

>>16360858
My babysitter's son raped me when I was 8

>>16364159
I'm sure you deserved every penetrating thrust you received faggot.

>>16364147
Don't eat snakes!

>>16364152

Got me.

>>16360983
Lel
>>16360993
Yeah whatever. Stop eating sugar you baby, not that hard
>>16361940
Nigger I was demolishing 3-4k cals a day and easily maintained on keto, tons of examples of people doing the same online. It's hard if you're retarded and think high protein stuff is keto (no) but very do-able.
>>16364147
This is the easiest most surefire path.

Anyway good low carb food I eat frequently:
-Pho without noodles or with shirataki noodles
-Cabbage or peppers stuffed with ground beef, spiced and gussied up however you want
-Meatloaf minus bread and ketchup, use chicharrones instead
-Summer squash and zucchini roast, throw some chunks of salt pork in there or whatever
-Lots of veggie things actually, ratatouille for instance
-Many different types of soup
-All sorts of black magic with eggs
-Carnitas or asada bowl with riced cauliflower or broccoli

Etc. There's a billion different "desserts" that are possible while staying keto as well, like cheesecakes, mousses, gelatin based things.

>>16364147
This
STOP FUCKING EATING
YOU ARE FAT BECAUSE YOU KEEP STUFFING YOU FAT FACE
JUST STOP EATING

>>16364489
you ever eat food though? it like, tastes good

>>16364489
Just eat less is a much less effective means of reversing obesity than a ketogenic diet

>>16364493
You ever die at 63 from heart disease? It like, feels bad

>>16364231
>fruit bad artificial sweeteners good
no

>>16364504
keto improves CHD risk factors more than a low fat low calorie diet

>>16360907

if that is the fat that's in avocados, i won't be doing that

>>16365250
avocados are mostly monounsaturated fats which are fine, PUFAs are only found in high concentrations in industrial vegetable oils and probably terrible for you

I think it's funny that the people who say /nocanos/ doesn't work is people who haven't tried it. They're against it because of muh-meme diet bad. Of course, you know there are retarded people who overact and take it to the extreme but that's not what OP is saying. He's not talking about keto like in just eating 2lb of bacon and butter for breakfast. Cutting down on carbs/sugar is a way to a healthy diet. I tried it and I feel great. Cravings disapeared, energy last longer and I lost weight. Typical food for me is
>breakfast
Plain greek yogurt or chia seeds soaked in almond milk with blue- and raspberries and a couple of boiled eggs
>lunch
Salad with avocado, cottage cheese, turkey breast, baby spinach, bell pepper, cucumber and other veggies I have around, olive oil
>dinner
I bake salmon in the oven and eat it with a mix of blanched broccoli, cauliflower, grean beans and brussels sprouts. For this I have a dressing of olive oil, lemon and dill.
I pretty much use that veggie mix instead of pasta/rice/potatoes for all my meals.
"But that's just eating healthy and keto doesn't work" yeah maybe so, but do you see any carbs or sugar? I'm not going to force you to give up your white bread and ketchup, I really don't give a fuck. I'm just saying I feel better and lost weight without it

>>16361453
>We used to be thin.
People were thin when they knew that sugar and starchy foods were fattening, and that to lose weight you should cut them out of your diet.

After the sugar industry duped everyone into believing they should
>Just eat normal portions of well balanced meals.
everyone became fat.

>Insulin is what stores fat
>Insulin is released in the biggest amounts when you eat carbs
>So if you don't eat carbs you won't store as much fat
It can't be this simple.

>>16362059
>"No scientific evidence exists to suggest that the low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet has a metabolic advantage over more conventional diets for weight reduction.
>1960
The metabolic advantage of low-carboydrate diets is an average of 50kcal/day per 10% reduction in carbohydrate. Higher insulin secreters can expect double that.

This adds up to about +250kcal/day average or +500kcal/day with high insulin metabolic boost when going from a standard American diet to a low-carb diet.

For a fat person trying to lose weight, avoiding carbs is as beneficial as walking up every flight of stairs of the Burj Dubai tower, every single day.

>>16362905
>Do more cardio
But if it's all just CICO, why bother? You can just lower your caloric intake to get rid of your fat, right? Are you implying there's more to it than calories in and out?

>>16365503
Calorietards seem to think that the muscle vs bodyfat aspect of body composition is controlled by exercise. So they think they can control weight by counting calories, while they think they can control adiposity with exercise.

Of course this never works which is why all the CICO gurus do steroids.

>>16365511
Personally I'm stuck somewhere in the middle of both trains of thought and can't quite reconcile them. On the one hand the human body is complex and there's all sorts of levers being pulled by hormones all over the place, so if we lower our insulin amount by eating less carbs, that means less stored fat, which makes sense.

But then there's the first law of thermodynamics. If you eat 2500 calories, those calories MUST go somewhere and do something, right?

>>16365484
>>Just eat normal portions of well balanced meals.
Fat people don't do that genius, that's why they're fat.

Go back to fit

>>16365516
>If you eat 2500 calories, those calories MUST go somewhere and do something, right?
There's so many places they can go that, including straight into the toilet unabsorbed, that counting calorie intake is foolish. You literally burn more calories as heat when eating low-carb. Just completely wasted energy turned into heat.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29170160/

It seems that the body interprets high quality food sources (meat and fat from animals) as being in a plentiful environment, so it spends energy and nutrients generously. When you start eating low quality plant foods your body thinks you're in a starvation situation so it kicks into low-energy fat retention mode.

>>16365551
>It seems that the body interprets high quality food sources (meat and fat from animals) as being in a plentiful environment, so it spends energy and nutrients generously. When you start eating low quality plant foods your body thinks you're in a starvation situation so it kicks into low-energy fat retention mode.
That makes sense in a caveman sort of way, which means it's probably true. I've been trying to get rid of my last bits of fat for a while now, so I'm going to try low carb on top of my exercise for a while to see what happens and how I feel. Meat and eggs are cheap enough to get hold of, and I can make mountains of dirt cheap Greek yogurt on command. In fact, my instant pot just beeped with my latest batch, should be over 1kg of the shit because I got milk cheap. Nice thing about yogurt is that it's what you get when bacteria eat milk sugars, meaning the yogurt itself has little to no sugars left over. And I ferment extra long to make sure it's pretty much all gone :3c

Thank you Anon.

>>16365562
>Nice thing about yogurt is that it's what you get when bacteria eat milk sugars, meaning the yogurt itself has little to no sugars left over.
The amount of sugar is reduced but you still have about 6g of sugar per cup. Not that it's really bad for you though, as lactose has a minimal effect on blood sugar and overall it's a pretty balanced food with good quality fat and protein too.

I posted a thread here recently about that as I have trouble digesting all types of sugar, and after doing an experiment where I let my buttermilk culture for an entire week instead of just one day it still had enough sugar leftover to cause problems for me. Maybe yogurt is different and I've seen people claim that 24 hour yogurt has no sugar left, but there's no real proof of that. I've only seen a study showing that by the time yogurt has already become pretty acidic within 4 hours it still has 50% of the lactose left, and I don't think the bacteria can continue feeding on it at the same rate due to the high acidity which usually causes a slowdown. According to that study if it continued at the same rate yogurt would end up being about as acidic as vinegar if 100% of the lactose was consumed instead of just 50%.

>>16365593
Something tells me we've spoken in a thread before.

>>16365594
Maybe. I made the thread about how much lactose is reduced a couple weeks ago and the one poster I mainly kept talking to mentioned that they make yogurt with a longer than usual fermentation time too.

>>16365609
Haha that was me. Something something lactobacillus survives super salty brine when lactofermenting.

OK, if I'm doing this "diet", what can I do with all the pasta sauce I just made? Its delicious so I don't wish to waste it

>>16365625
>If I want to eat low/no carbs, what can I do with all this high carb stuff I just made?
Either throw it away it give it away. Or eat the stuff you made THEN cut your carbs.

>>16365614
Yeah I remember that. Nice. If you were curious about what happened then it didn't seem like the bacteria died off as it eventually started to slightly curdle and smell/taste more like cheesy sour cream in a good way and didn't spoil after the week of fermenting. It also wasn't as acidic as I thought it would be so I guess the bacteria just has a limit on how acidic they'll make the environment before going dormant which means a limit on how much lactose is removed.

>>16365625
Tomato sauce? You can braise meats in it like for chicken cacciatore or beef braciole. Tomato sauce is also commonly used with green beans.

>>16365658
Pasta sauce isn't high carb, its mainly tomato and carrot, with herbs and spices

>>16365625
Trash it.
One of the things that kept me back to choose healthier foods was 'what I do with all the stuff I have on the fridge?'
You don't wanna waste, so you postpone diet and then forget about it. Is like the 'tomorrow I start dieting' story.
So, if you wanna eat better today, listen to yourself and start today.

>>16365663
>>16365665
I'll probably do this

>>16365625
Spaghetti squash is a good substitute for spaghetti noodles.

>>16361246
Nice try, Big Potato.

>>16365625
Tomato-based stew

>>16360852
Ok ketard

>>16363155
Yeah, I'm sure it happened....

>>16360858
>I unironically lost my virginity to my Latina 15 year old baby sitter when I was 9
She was a very athletic girl and liked to rough house.
When she was wrestling with me she pinned me to the floor by sitting on my crotch and holding my arms over my head and was laughing in my face.
Telling me a girl was beating me up.
Being the kid I was, I tried to wiggle out of her grasp. then I started to try and get her off me my bucking my hips.
I guess she got horny when I did this because she started to grind on me and put her face close to mine.
I thought she was gonna bite me or something but she let go of one of my hands and began to rub my dick until I got hard then pulled my dick out of my shorts moved her gym shorts and panties out of the way and lowered herself on it.
Not to sound cliche but when I felt that weird warm and tight sensation my hips started moving on their own but she did most of the work.
She told me to stop a couple times and would just sit on me before moving again.
I didn't know what was going on
I'll I remember was it felt good.

>>16366282
We did it another five times
Once in her one piece swimsuit.
I remember that because it was summer and she was wearing that with tattered jean shorts, and a baseball cap.
And we were having a waterballon fight.
Afterwards when we went inside she followed me into my room took her shorts off laid on my bed and pulled me towards her and pulled her swimsuit aside and guided me in.
I was the only time i fucked her in the missionary position and I did most of the work.
She wrapped her legs around me and was just looking down inbetween us as I was doing my thing and moaning.
This went on for two years
My family moved out the neighborhood to another part of town.
I dont know where she's at now
But I'd like to know how she's doing.
I'm not sure if her friends knew, even though they would sometimes come over with her when she babysat me.
All various girls from her volleyball and softball teams.

>>16362906
Literally just eat that without the bun and you got yourself this diet. (Though don't be a dumbass and think only cheese and meat is acceptable. There's certain leafy greens and other vegetables that are good on it.)

>>16360852
I did that and lost enough to gorge myself on ice cream and pizza again without feeling bad.

>>16365250
Based deenz poster.

No thanks, ketofag.
I'm just going to continue losing about 1 lb/week by eating less food.

Starting today bros. Lunch is an egg and an avocado.

>>16366910
Gotta make it yum if you wanna truly be /nocanos/. Send us a picture once you’ve made it look yum
Also throw sum more in dere

>>16366873
But will you keep the weight off once you resume eating normally? Most people don't, but perhaps you are an exception. If it doesn't work just know there is an alternative that seems much more effective.

>>16367132
How the fuck is a 0-carb diet supposed to be more sustainable than just eating less and healthier food?
Do you ever not agenda post?

>>16360852
I lost 7.5kg in month and a half just doing what op said
Also, obviously, don't eat like an American faggot

>>16365625
>>16365686
You don't have to go from 0 to 100 and cut all carbs in one day, it'll take a couple of weeks to identify the carbs you're eating and find substitute, like go meal by meal and think "what I'm I eating - what vould I eat instead", looking at the nutritional values of stuff in the grocery store and so on. At least that's how it was for me. Also tomatoe sauce isn't that high in carbs unless you added alot of sugar. I suggest you just fry up some bonless chicken thighs and eat them with green beans and the tomatoe sauce

>>16367170
It's not, but since most of us in the west get the majority of our nutrition from carbohydrates, and thar half of us are overweight, any diet which removes calories is healthier.
Ketards think the diet cures cancer, epilepsy, depression and so on. But there is some truth behind the diet, it helps reduce overall calorie intake and encourages consumption of lean meats and vegetables, while discouraging sugar.
There is literally nothing more it offers beyond that. It's a bullshit fad. But if that's what it takes to get people to stop shoving their mouths with burgers and fried potato every day, then it counts for something

>>16365660
Ah okay. Neat that you bothered testing for yourself. I struck gold at work today, the person checking dates on meat missed a couple of big pork joints and a ton of eggs so I scooped them all up. 2kg of pork and 24 good quality eggs for £5 is a hell of a deal. This low carb diet is kinda expensive.

>>16367673
Those were rhetorical questions, you goof. Added to filter.

>>16367170
Low carb just sounds like a good tool for dropping body fat to me. That's all I intend to use it for anyway.

>>16367756
Fundamentally I agree. But I find that calorie restriction is easier to be consistent with.
Considering most people get fat because they lack self-control, expecting a lardass to maintain an extreme diet is often unrealistic.
I've lost 50 pounds in a little less than a year, almost have a six-pack now, can eat most anything in moderation, and don't feel like death.

Time and consistency > drastic measures in almost all things.

>>16360993
Based

>>16367785
The issue isn't so much losing the bulk of your fat, but losing that LAST bit of fat. Ask any skinnyfat dude on a cut about their last bit of fat and they'll give you an ear full.

>>16367785
>But I find that calorie restriction is easier to be consistent with.
Very heart warming but for most people carbohydrate restriction is a much better method of weight less, diabetes reversal, etc.

ketosis is for weird-smelling homosexuals who want to kill themselves.

>>16360852
full retard diet, just get enough protein and fibrous vegetables first, then add cooking oil and spices, then fill in your remaining calories with carbs and fats. you don't have to autistically refuse to eat potatoes.
also go buy buy kitchen scales RIGHT NOW and track your calories you fat fuck.

>no fruit
fuck you nigger a lemon is like 30 calories what are you doing.
>no bread
wholemeal bread without added sugar is unironically the most based carb source because you can add it to a meal in whatever quantity you want to get to the right daily macros.

>>16360861
calories in calories out is a gay /fit/ meme because it literally restates the problem without giving any useful advice on eating less, and you should feel bad for posting it.

>>16369031
>wholemeal bread without added sugar
>actually having to specify this
Americans are a blight

>>16367703
>2kg of pork and 24 good quality eggs for £5 is a hell of a deal.
Not bad. I actually don't eat meat that often, mainly eggs and cheaper variety of cheeses. The cheese is a little more expensive than the cheapest meats but it's also a lot higher in calories with no waste. Helps keep the cost down a bit.

>>16367259
Crazy how the meme described in the op actually works
It’s wild cause it’s not even a diet. It’s just avoiding certain foods. Strangely enough those foods make up like 20lbs

>>16360861
Based basic Thermodynamics understander

>>16370942
What makes you think that 1000 calories of input will lead to 1000 bioavailable calories for energy in your body? Fat is a very inefficient energy source for your body.

>>16367170
It's not zero carbs. About all foods contain carbs, it's anout not making carbs (especially sugar) your primary source of energy. People who are treating carbs as literal poison and freak out if they accidentally ate 1g of it are fucking retarded and probably the main reason why people hate keto

>>16367785
I found that low carb makes it much easier to maintain a calorie deficit and that's probably why I lost weight. I got my body weaned of fast energy (carbs/sugar), hence no cravings

>>16371038
>Fat is a very inefficient energy source for your body.
Inefficient as in they take the longest to digest? Because we can use near 100% of the calories from fat while slightly less from carbs, and it's easier to store dietary fat as body fat when consumed in a caloric surplus.

>>16364516
well low fat diet is retarded as well. it should all be in balance

>>16360983
haha based anti science anon

>>16365294
>"But that's just eating healthy and keto doesn't work" yeah maybe so, but do you see any carbs or sugar?
yes you're eating extremely healthy foods so you feel good. If you ate extremely healthy carbs alongside like quinoa or chickpeas, you would feel no different

>>16360852
I stopped eating any grains for the last month and I accidentally lost 20 lbs. I just never want to eat. I think I have to stop because there is no way I’m gaining it back without carbs. I was happy at my weight before

>>16371654
Even eating "healthy carbs" I can feel the spikes and subsequent crashes in my blood sugar that dont happen when the only carbs I eat are some green vegetables

>>16362037
99% of people won't get acetone breath on keto. True ketosis happens in diabetics, and if you're running on ketone bodies instead of glucose, something is fucking wrong with your body.

>>16372403
>True ketosis
wtf I think you mean diabetic ketoacidosis which is when blood concentrations are >20-30mM and is something that only happens in poorly controlled mostly type 1 diabetics but can be fatal meanwhile healthy nutritional ketosis is in the range of 1-5mM and there is no good reason to think ketones in normal healthy ranges are detrimental and they may even be a superior fuel source

>>16365294
>Of course, you know there are retarded people who overact and take it to the extreme but that's not what OP is saying.
OP is saying you shouldn't be having that fruit with your breakfast.

>>16372625
1) they are not fruit
2) they contain very low amount of net carbs
lrn2/nocanos/ faggit

>>16372678
>raspberries aren't fruit
>they contain low net carbs

god I hate this place

>>16371654
Yeah, you know what? I've tried and nothing gives me that sweet acetone breath like cutting that shit out

>>16372678
>it's still /nocanos/ as long as you perform the proper mental gymnastics routine
ah i see

>>16372683
Low enough for me to enjoy a handful of them for breakfast, then you can call them berries, fruits or what the fuck ever. Like I said, I'm not treating carbs as poison, I'm okay with having 20 grams of them in one day, because I still gey a lot of health benefits from not snacking oranges and bananas between my meals. How about that, dipshit?

>>16372683
retard

>>16372710
you're denser than the kidney stone you're making me generate out of anger for how stupid you are, you mouth breathing ape. Holy fuck. How do you go through life and not know berries are a fruit?????? FUCK

hey you know what's helping your diet? not snacking. You know what's helping you feel better? Eating a varied diet complete with dietary fiber (from shit like berries). You're eating well but you're so stupid I cannot believe it. Holy shit.

>>16372692
Good luck going literal NO carbs, fucktard. I promote not making carbs your primary source of energy because that's what this diet is about.

>>16372723
lol you're so mad

>>16372732
YES

>>16372726
>it's not actually "no carb no sugar" it's just not using them as your primary source of energy and you can actually eat what i said to not eat
ahhh i see

>>16372718
listen here you stupid faggot, you're actually right about the way you eat, cutting out all carbs and sugars is difficult and uncomfortable, even in this thread you're not going to get a ton of pushback. unless of course you are so retarded as to claim that berries aren't fucking fruit. nobody's actually complaining about your diet people are mad that the sucking void which you have in your head instead of a brain might destabilize earth's natural gravity.

>>16372723
>not snacking.
I don't
>You know what's helping you feel better? Eating a varied diet complete with dietary fiber (from shit like berries).
lmao that's exactly what I told you I do. I usually have some blueberries (bilberries) and raspberries with my breakfast. Are you one of those people who come here to take out your aggressions on strangers?

>>16372723
I bet this faggot thinks strawberries are berries.

Eat less calories than you spend, simple as

>>16372741
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know you're autistic. I will stop saying /nocanos/ so I'm not making your brain boil

>>16372753
can you read? at all? I didn't claim you were snacking, I was saying that it's HELPING you, to NOT SNACK. and I said you were EATING WELL. I complimented your fucking diet. The only thing I take issue with was the claim that berries aren't fruit, and that they contain low net carbs. They're sugary sweet as FUCK. You're just not eating many of them. You've baited me. Good job, anon.

>>16372756
>Berries are fruit, which is common knowledge to the entire world
>this other thing, which is a misnomer, is the equivalent.

>>16372763
Of course, but it's easier to keep a calories deficit if you wean your body off fast energy like carbs. If you get your body used to run on that fuel, it will start to scream for more as soon as it runs out of it. You get cravings, even though there's plenty of energy stored in your body in the form of fat. People who are addicted to sugar need it. They are not starving, but they need it. If you get your body used to run on fat, wich is processed slower by your body, it will much easily start using the energy reserves (body fat) when your energy gets low instead of screaming for a new energy rush.

All people that post "eat less calories than you burn" are retarded. The types of calories you ingest make a difference. For example, eating protein helps maintain lean muscle mass while losing weight. Having more lean muscle mass increases the rate that fat is burned. Therefore 300 calories of chicken is better for losing weight than 300 calories of Snickers.

>>16372840
Reducing carbohydrate content as a percentage of calories in the diet also raises involuntary energy expenditure significantly.

>>16372777
>The only thing I take issue with was the claim that berries aren't fruit, and that they contain low net carbs. They're sugary sweet as FUCK
Berries are fruit? Shieet I dunno man. But no, they are not sugary sweet as FUCK. Not even close to fruit like oranges, bananas and such

>>16372875
the reason why they're not stupid in saying CICO is pretty much everything, is because for most people (especially in US which is 80% overweight now, I believe), simply reducing your caloric intake is enough to bring yourself to a healthy weight. Which is the main goal. If you want to optimize, yes, you can start picking and choosing which macros you take in, but in the end, the biggest impact on your weight and muscle mass are diet and exercise.

>>16372885
>5 g per 100g of rasberries
well fuck me you're right, anon. I've never checked it but just assumed they were high in sugar content b/c of how naturally sweet they are. Again, your diet is fine. For the love of god, though, berries be fruit.

>>16372915
>simply reducing your caloric intake is enough to bring yourself to a healthy weight
This is objectively false as shown by
>>16361703
Ketogenic diets are nearly always superior for weight loss relative to calorie restricted low fat diets. If it was all CICO why do people lose weight when they are told to eat as much as they weight provided its fat and protein and not carbs.

>>16372915
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There are a few berries that are low in sugar. Raspberries, bilberries and maybe a couple if other ones. That's why they are good for a low carb diet, you get those antioxidants, dietary fibers and shit but can still keep keep a low carb/sugar intake

>>16372885
This is kinda cherry-picking, ironically. Raspberries are unusually low in sugar, as fruit goes. Other berries are much higher. Blueberries are right up there with navel oranges and bananas, for example.

>>16372915
I checked it, they really are fruit. Now we're even lol

>>16360852
How the fuck can you find any food in the store that doesnt have carbs or sugar?
Everything now gets extra shit added to it just to be unhealthy

>>16360852
>no soda
Sugar free soda is still keto

>>16372927
you're misconstruing what I'm trying to say, which is that a simple reduction in calories overall will bring people down to a healthy weight over time, I'm not speaking to the relative efficiency of which diet will do better in the short term. And I definitely didn't speak to low fat diets at all. The main cause of excess calories is very obviously sugars and refined carbohydrates, and for most people simply not eating dessert every meal, cutting out most sodas, and having huge portions of pasta or bread every meal is enough to bring them to a caloric deficit with little work. That and no snacking. Nutrition is plenty complicated without trying to drastically change what you eat, and for most people the end goal should be a healthy variety of foods and a reduction in high sugar-added processed junk, and a reduction in portion sizes. That's it.

>>16372958
Just be glad you said that to some idiot on /ck/ and not IRL because they would very quickly assume that you're a very stupid, even if it's an innocent misconception.

>>16372959
check the label, that's all you can do. Fresh/frozen veggies and other produce are obvious choices. Really, as long as you're not stuffing your face with cakes, chips, candies, and sodas, you're doing better than the average american.

>>16372951
>This is kinda cherry-picking, ironically.
Yeah that's kinda the whole point of a diet
>Raspberries are unusually low in sugar, as fruit goes. Other berries are much higher.
And that's exactly why I choose to eat them and not other berries. Clever, huh?
>Blueberries are right up there with navel oranges and bananas, for example.
I'm from Yurope. When I say blueberries, it means bilberries. And they contain about the same amount of sugar as raspberries

>>16372927
>If it was all CICO why do people lose weight when they are told to eat as much as they weight provided its fat and protein and not carbs.
CICO still matters. Some guy lost a bunch of weight while mainly eating Twinkies and counting calories, and for countries like Japan with an average high intake of carbs they have like a 95% lower rate of obesity than the USA. That site where the graph is from has studies showing low carb diets did result in faster weight loss, but the people doing the diet were also consuming hundreds of calories less without measuring. Fat and protein is just more satiating and harder to overeat compared to stuff like potato chips where people can literally sit down and keep eating them until they feel sick. And I'm sure with Japan eating a lot of white rice in a healthy balanced meal is going to make it easier to stay slim compared to eating a lot of refined carbs in a diet full of highly processed foods.

>>16372987
>they would very quickly assume that you're a very stupid
No, because people in general doesn't give a fuck about strict botanical definitions. In an everyday conversation, they understand what you are refering to when you say "berry" and "fruit". This is the kind of stuff that tick people off on 4chan

>>16373025
>Some guy lost a bunch of weight while mainly eating Twinkies and counting calories
Yes you can lose weight by starving yourself this is obvious. For most obese or overweight individuals caloric restriction without changing the quality of the food they are consuming does nothing other than make them hungry and tired. So now the question becomes why are they unintentionally consuming less, without hunger or lethargy, total calories when they shift their macros to less carbs and more fats/proteins, which they couldn't do on a calorie restricted diet?

keep the broscience shit over on /fit/, this board is to talk about chicken fingers.

>>16373025
>and for countries like Japan with an average high intake of carbs they have like a 95% lower rate of obesity than the USA.
Obesity and diabetes are starting to creep up in Japan as well but what separates them from the much more sick US population is that they consume much less sugar. The grains they do consume I'd wager are less refined i.e. lower glycemic load. Another potential explanation is that the many generations of consuming rice have led to some adaptations in the processing of these starches. I've seen some data supporting the latter will post if I can find again.

>>16372883
>raises involuntary energy expenditure
I don't know what that means

>>16373089
BMR

>>16373089
"Among the 23 shorter trials (< 2.5 weeks), total energy expenditure was slightly reduced on lower-carbohydrate diets. In contrast, the longer duration lower-carbohydrate diet substantially increased total energy expenditure. It was estimated that these diets increased energy expenditure by ∼50 kcal per day for every 10% decrease in carbohydrates (expressed as % energy intake)."
https://nutrition.org/dietary-carbohydrate-and-energy-expenditure-exploring-biological-mechanisms-of-body-weight-control/

>>16373075
It's gotta be the latter. Rice has a GI on par with sucrose.

>>16360852
no thanks I'm 160lbs and comfortable

>>16373089
Below is also a meta-analysis confirming the findings of >>16373104
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/151/3/482/6020167
>>16373107 I'd guess it depends on the variety and whether or not the rice is polished/processed. Also read somewhere that the Japanese military started seeing more deficiency diseases when they started feeding their soldiers polished rice as opposed.. unpolished? Might be unrelated but an interesting observation. I'm fairly sure its well established that increased insulin levels necessitate higher intake of certain nutrients like Vitamin C.

>>16373075
>Another potential explanation is that the many generations of consuming rice have led to some adaptations in the processing of these starches.
I've read that Japanese and European populations produce more amylase in their saliva which helps them better digest starchy food because they've been farming for so long, so there are probably other adaptations like that in place too. But you also have hunter-gatherers consuming 50g+ of sugar per day from honey while still being healthy. Maybe honey is just better than refined sugar or corn syrup, but that makes things seem a little more complicated. Maybe higher intake of sugar isn't that bad as long as you stay at a normal weight and mainly eat healthy unprocessed foods along with it, which isn't what happens in the USA.

>>16373158
>But you also have hunter-gatherers consuming 50g+ of sugar per day from honey while still being healthy.
I think you're referring to the Hadza? The difference there is that they have been consuming said sugar in the form of honey for generations and generations and for all we know they could have gone through their obesity/diabetes epidemics thousands of years ago. Conversely the increase in sugar consumption in Western populations where we see so much diabetes was presumably a much quicker rise (by evolutionary standards). By now we could just be seeing the survivors/ those who have since adapted. Would be interesting to see if we have any good data on how much sugar they consumed, because I doubt its at the huge quantities in the US, UK, and some other countries.

>>16373208
There were others consuming similarly what we would consider high amounts or even higher of sugar from honey too. And those enzymes in the saliva are breaking down starch into simpler sugars. I think for the Hadza they were the ones averaging 50g of sugar per day but in the USA the average intake is over 70g which is a fairly big percentage difference. But I would still imagine that the higher rate of obesity along with eating processed less nutritious food plays a big part in why sugar seems to be so damaging.

Like I also read that animal fats don't really cause any issues for a normal healthy adult, but for someone who is obese they do start causing more clogging of the arteries compared to plant fats. Same thing with people who smoke or drink too much, animal fats end up causing more problems for them. And those are all pretty prevalent issues in the USA.

>>16372959
Wanna know how I know you don't have a single fruit or vegetable in your diet?

Anti-keto fags can suck my dick. Anyways, what's everyone's favorite keto recipe?

>>16373301
Because I'll tell you I haven't eaten a vegetable or fruit in months and I've not gotten scurvy and am still in good health

>>16373394
post physique

>>16373452
a little busy can I just post my wrist?

>>16373466
yeah just make sure to include your fingers

>>16373474

>>16362638
they pee blood, it's disgusting

>>16363197
I went through the same when I first did keto
get some gin with sugar free sprite or mezzo mix, it was good enough

>no carbs
>no sugar

No balls LMAO

fucking HELL BROSKIS
>go to parents for 4 months helping them
>lost 30kg
>come back home
>gain 10
>feel like a retarded piece of shit that wasted all that time
FUCK

>>No bread
>>No pasta
>>No potatoes
>>No rice
>>No juice
>>No fruit

>>16375035
Bro, you lost 20

>>16360852
Okay so you can eat eggs, leafy green vegetables, and meat?
Anything else?

>>16362554
Your pee is not supposed to be red.

if one was to abstain completely from ALL carbohydrates for a prolonged period of time, their body would start burning PROTEINS for insulin, and they would likely end up in the hospital. crash-dieting is for middle-aged american women with sub-60 IQ, yer not a cunt are ya?

>>16360852
So, your response to people being overweight is for them to die of malnutrition? Vegetables contain carbs, all of them. So do fruits.

>>16375440
Actual zero carb is brainlet tier. What's best is to just keep away from anything high in carbs. Bread, pasta, rice, oats, pastry, sugar, fruit, shit like that. The only vegetables I'd avoid are actual carb monsters like potatoes. I plan on eating more chopped tomatoes and homemade soup. Got like a kilo of shredded pork in the fridge. Gonna get some peas after and live off pea and ham soup for like three days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzQAHITIUhg

Essential viewing.

>>16366282
>>16366289
Based if true

>>16375585
There's nothing wrong with potatoes, just don't eat a shitton of them. You can eat a low carb diet, and still eat like 50- 75 grams of complex carbs from stuff like potatoes.

>>16373393
I like deep fried steaks but I don't know if that counts as a recipe. I also like hamburgers with a chaffle bun.

My parents make a lot of really good keto recipes that are more complex. Butter chicken is one of my favourites.

>>16375440
>>16375585
>eat vegetables with your meat
>think you will get additional nutrition
>the vegetables actually steal your nutrients
Plant-based food is worse than useless.

>stopped working since 2 months ago and got a new job
>pants tight as fuck
Started low carbs about 4 days ago and IF. Is it advisable and worth it to go more than 24 hours with a water fast?

>>16376018
Yeah definitely. You can water fast for about one month no problems. Nothing but fresh clean water needed. However I am not sure I'd recommend more than one week in case you suffer from malnutrition.

Fasting is not only great for weight loss it is good for health in general. Even lean people should fast for a few days at least once a year for improved health and longevity.

>>16375998
beans and corn aren't vegetables

>>16375348
All fish/seafood, all fatty dairy cream/butter/greek yogurt/cheese, almonds/nuts/peanut butter but be careful with this because they're still high in calories and easy to over eat. Olives/olive oil. Lots of veggies, rule of thumb is they're okay if the grow over ground. Meat, chicken

>>16375440
You didn't read OP? I'll quote so that you don't have to scroll:
>b-but anon, there’s carbs in everything! A-also how do you even d-define sugar?!

Nigga shut the front door! You know exactly what I’m talking about. I’M TALKIN…
>No bread
>No pasta
>No potatoes
>No rice
AND…
>No soda
>No juice
>No creamer
>No fruit
YOU KNEW WHAT I MEANT.

can someone please explain OP's image to me?
what am I looking at?

>>16376543
The face of carbs

>>16376018
i IF and drink what i call "augmented water", which includes celtic salt, lemon, and ACV
10/10 would recommend it's refreshing in the extreme

>>16360983
>>YES THROWING FOOD INTO A VACUUM OVEN AND BURNING THEM WITH OUTSIDE ENERGY IS TOTALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE HUMAN DIGESTIVE SYSTEM WHERE APPLES GET SET ON FIRE
unironically yes
it's called "burning" calories because you are reacting these macronutrient molecules with oxygen to create CO2
it doesn't matter what steps there are in the middle if you start off with a molecule + O2 -> CO2 it will always release the same amount total energy
fats, proteins and carbohydrates and O2 are high energy molecules that store a lot of energy in their chemical bonds while CO2 is a very low energy molecule - that energy difference is the net energy released no matter the exact process by which these chemicals are burnt

>>16360883
Thought baked beans are full of carbs?

>>16376039
This is bad advice. A month long fast will cause immediate problems if you don't drink the snake juice and pay EXTREMELY close attention to your vitamin/mineral supplementation.

>>16377099
No it won't retard. Snake juice causes electrolyte imbalance due to diarrhea.

There's no problem at all with month long water fasts. If you go longer than a month you should follow Fasting Fatman's routine not laxative juice.

>>16377262
Zero electrolytes is certainly going to give you an electrolyte imbalance.

>>16377331
After a 44 day fast a person can have a phosphorus deficiency. All other electrolytes are fine. How much phosphorus is in Snake Juice? (HINT: Zero)

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm200511243532124

The guy behind snake juice is a total retard. He just makes shit up. Everyone in his cult drinking laxatives and antacids are morons. Utterly subhuman dogs following an uninformed guy like he's their master just because he barks at them loudly.

>>16362684
>I am
Based