/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>16356074
Whetstones are the only way to really sharpen your knife without messing it up

Do some learning, get a double-sided whetstone, one rough side, one smooth side.

If thats too much effort for you, finding somewhere you can take in/send your knives once a year to do it for you.

Make sure to use a honing rod before and after each use

There are professional knife sharpeners that you could seek out yourself or sometimes set up at flea markets etc. they have whatever the top of line sharpening system you'll need, and the experience to sharpen your knives appropriately. These types of businesses are who sharpen all the knives for restaurants too.

maybe practice first on a cheap Walmart knife or a $5 Kiwi knife from your local Asian grocer before you try on your expensive knives

>>16356074
Put tape on the flats of your blade if you're afraid scratching the knife. Use light pressure on a high grit stone. And calm the fuck down brother. No need to be yelling. Whetstones are absolutely not memes. The pull through "sharpeners" are memes and should only be used on the shittiest of knives if that...

How the fuck do you sharpen a big serrated knife?

>>16356093
with a file like a chainsaw. i have never done it

>>16356074
Bring them to a professional because you will fuck up the edge. Took me years of practice on cheap knives to get remotely close to a professional sharpening job and even today I still end up with uneven edges. I have fairly cheap knives so I don't care but you might want to pay a few coins to get it done right on your expensive Damascus meme blades.

>>16356093
I've never had to. Mainly because you should only be using a serrated knife for soft things e.g. bread, cakes, etc

>>16356074
>Are whetstones memes?
Boy howdy the internet sure has made people stupid somehow. Send your shit to a professional if you're really that worried about it, otherwise practice on something cheaper first.

>>16356101
My brother tried to saw through the handle of a wooden spoon with mine "to see how sharp it was" and now it's dull as fuck.

>>16356093
with a serrated whetstone

>>16356108
Wow... Is he a little uh... Special?

>nooooooo! you have to consoom a special practice knife before you can sharpen!
Nothing worse than being afraid of your own stuff

Sharpen it, make a mistake, then fix it. It's how life works

Every sharpening service in my area uses machines to sharpen knives. Is sharpening by hand with a whetstone really better for Japanese knives?

>>16356074
Buy another knife retardo.
It's not like you are going to buy an overpriced RTX graphic card.

>>16356357
No better for nip knives than any other.

>>16356074
I bought one of these, spent 40 minutes following a tutorial slowly. Then tried my knife and it was blunt as shit lol. I think I might be retarded.

>>16356177
Of course he's special he's my fucking brother retard

>>16356383
same desu. then i realized i had bought a chinese sharpening stone, only good for sharpening shovels.

>>16356357
as long as it's a water cooled power grinder it's fine
most old fashioned services dry grind which you should avoid
any time you see sparks, avoid

I bought a whetstone a couple months ago and use it to sharpen my shitty knives.

My favorite knife has scuffs all over the flat part of it from me sharpening poorly and it generally only stays sharp for a couple weeks, but it's better than buying new knives or the hassle of taking it to someone.

I just spend 10 minutes every few weeks and it keeps my knife pretty sharp so no complaints.

>>16356074
It's just a fucking knife, who cares, sharpen it

>>16356093
tapered slipstone
or for the autists, reprofile a grinding disk
>>16356209
this,
i own it, i have the right to fuck it up
>>16356383
because cheap waterstones suck ass
the slurry of them disintegrating dulls the knife

>>16356383
it could be that the knife is garbage.

Also you might not get the hang of it in 40 mins. it could take a couple days of trying

>>16356502
>because cheap waterstones suck ass
fuck do i have to pay a lot for a sharpenign stone?

>>16357165
I'd rather have a good waterstone and a mediocre knife than a good knife and a mediocre waterstone, but maybe it's just me

dont really see the point of whet stones instead of a generic runthrough sharpener. Bunch of extra time and effort for a neglibile difference. Even if your knife does become unusable in 10 years (doubtful), just buy a new knife for 100 dollars and repeat. The time saved is worth it.

>>16358237
saee saon

>>16358308
lol wtf

>>16356074
Just use one of these and not a meme stone. You know they're fake and gay when they can't spell "wet" right

>>16358314
eeej kccq

>>16356074
>PLEASE HELP I HAVE REALLY NICE KNIVES THAT I AM UTTERLY TERRIFIED TO SHARPEN BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA FUCK THEM UP
If they’re financially/sentimentally (or both) irreplaceable, then pay a pro.
Disregard all the “Dude just to X to sharpen it yourself” faggotry.

I have some decent stones and sharpen 95% of my knives myself. But I have a few I don’t touch beyond honing. I’d rather it be done by people with more experience than anyone who isn’t a professional, who use equipment better than anything owner by anyone who isn’t a professional.

>Soyjak posting retard bitches at me without replying to me because he's a coward
>Close thread without giving him attention
>Thread ends up back on the 1st page
>Soyjak post is gone
/ck/ really is the best hobby board on this piss bucket these days.

Wtf is your issue with a pull through sharpener?

It works perfectly every single time I use mine. It cost me $90 and my knives comes out like razors after a few passes.

>>16356074
honing is harder to fuck up
get a honing rod and practice with it on some knives that are dulling
the skill you learn with it is applicable to sharpening when you get a whetstone

>>16358970
I don't understand what a honing rod even fucking does. Half of you claim it just straightens out the edge, and the other half of you claim it genuinely sharpens the blade.

Which is it?

i use a 3k/6k double-sided water stone for my work knives. i thought about getting another like 8k-12k one for maximum meme but it's just more work.

>>16358976
I can't speak for what anyone else says, but afaik it just realigns the blade
it's a good intermediate step in learning how to sharpen and keeps you from sharpening when you don't actually have to

>>16358976
There are different types of rods, some just hone while others have abrasives. There are diamond rods and some ceramic mrods have abrasives that will remove metal.

>>16357165
>fuck do i have to pay a lot for a sharpenign stone?

I'm afraid so, pic related is the bare minimum.

>>16358404
/ck/ is good because it attracts a healthy mix of oldfags, people who actually care about cooking, and bored board tourists who don't act as retarded as they do on the other boards since food is a universal topic

>>16357165
Get a decent $50 kit on Amazon with 2 double sided stones and a base, ignore the retards spending a grand on autistic stones

>>16359131
Interesting assessment. I fall into the third category but I don't post much on here since I don't cook much or care about food a lot

>>16356074
you'd have to be an absolute fricking idiot to irrecoverably ruin a knife anon. like, stabbing it point first into the stone and shattering it level of idiot. otherwise any mess up will only shorten its life a bit but you can fix it later by sharpening properly on top.

this look like a good buy or no ? (price is in cucknadian)

>>16359219
can't speak for the quality of the stone, but the base looks like it'll slide around a bit
you might need to put it on a silicone pad or something while using it

>>16359219
Yea looks about right

I recently got a couple of the Shapton glass stones, a 1000 and 4000 grit. Is there any practical reason to go beyond 4000?

I have this thing, is it good for something? I don't know the grit or anything, it seems very coarse to the touch

>>16356209
How the fuck do you fix a knife if you fuck up the blade though?

>>16359219
Get a shapton kuromaku 1000, the only stone you'll need unless you need to repair the knife. It will last you years and you can just throw some water on it, no need to soak it.

>>16359333
heh, not having a 16000 grit glass stone

>>16359347
i have one and it works pretty well but so far I've only used it to shove up my ass

>>16359445
My guy is bragging about the 16k when he doesn't have the 30k, or this 3k dollar asano stamped koma bench stone, which is the minimum you need for a proper edge on a knife.

>>16359490
I do have a 30000, but I dropped it and made it smaller.

>>16359519
Dang. That sucks. That small piece is probably more than enough considering you only need to do like 5 passes on each side of a blade. Sorry for your semi loss brother.

>>16359445
>>16359490
>>16359519

That's all very baller and all, but is it worthwhile for practical cutting performance or is it just autism?

>>16359537
70% autism, 30% performance. With fancy natural stones you can put different edges on a knife depending on your mood, the moon phase, or what's most practical for the knife you're sharpening. You can do similar with synthetic, but not really to the extent of natural stones.

>>16359537
Also using a 16k and 30k on knives is almost pure autism unless you enjoy perfect mirror finishes on your knife edge. Straight razors are a different story.

>>16359536
>proper
Yea, I was pretty pissed about it, can still polish my bevels though

>>16359537
Well for normal sharpening it's pretty useless but for single bevels it takes it to a whole new level

>>16357165
>scammed with the knives
>now with stones

>>16359579
You do single bevels to a mirror polish? Have you tried harder jnats for a semi mirror finish? I find the higher contrast more attractive, but to each their own.

Also. Have you tried using broken bits of that 30k as a slurry stone when polishing? That may bring about interesting results.

>>16356085
be careful with honing rods. expensive knives tend to be a harder carbon steel and a honing rod may actually chip the edge.

>>16356074
you don't have nice knives if you're asking about whether or not to use a whetstone

>>16359545
>>16359555
>>16359579

Thank you. That more or less aligns with my expectations.

>>16359630
It still has a kasumi finish, but is also super reflective. Yeah, I did make finger stones from the broken pieces plus I do have a small collection of finger stones.

>>16356367
yes it is, retard

>>16359662
Do you use finger stones after bringing it up to 30k? Those 30k stones will do a near optical mirror if you know what you're doing and use a lab grade clean room to avoid cross contamination.

>>16359677
30k was the last stone, I just polished a hazy finish, the last stones I did before the 30k was a 12 shapton with slurry from a kitiyama.

>>16359445
are you a faggot who cuts hair?

useless in any kitchen

>>16356074
Buy ones that you're not afraid to use

Have the ones you like professionally sharpened or just learn how with cheaper ones until you're comfortable enough to do so with the nice ones

>>16359696
Ok that makes more sense. If I wanted a finish like that I would normally use a mid grit natural stone(kaisei) if it needed it. Then go onto either an asano nagura slurry stone progression on a hard jnat or use my set of asano stamped benchstones depending on my mood. I need to do more comparative testing, but I believe there is something special about natural stones. They're just more expensive, harder to use, and generally more time consuming.

Pic is two different suita stones

>>16359731
Nice, I have been avoiding jnats just because I know I'll end up spend alot. I do have a Amakusa toshi and a aoto tamba and various small stones that I don't know the grits nor names.

>>16359372
You shave off more metal. I've shaven off so much metal off the knife I've been using since I was 12 years old that I've almost reached the granton's. Nowadays in the market for a replacement

>>16358237
It's hobby tier. You can quickly spend more money on stones than you would the most premium knife sharpening system which works loads faster. Most people don't need knives that can double as straight edge razors because they're cutting sashimi all day. Most people chop fairly soft vegetables and boneless meat 95% of the time. Most real people in foodservice use cheap as fuck knives that get sharpened maybe biweekly if they're lucky.

>>16356088
>>16356100
What magic do you think they're using behind the scenes? There is maybe a handful of professionals with a clue in a metropolitan area and a whole lot more that are just going to use a fucking belt sander which is good enough for Karen.

>>16358927
Try shaving your hair with your knife then. People who actually use straight razors use whetstones not pull through sharpeners because they literally do not get shit sharp enough.

>>16359219
Sure it's a fine choice. You can always spend more for higher quality (larger size, easier to work with, lasts longer) but there's nothing really wrong with that at the price point. It's probably the single best deal AT that price point. This anon >>16359421 is recommending a larger stone that's more expensive that will get to a duller but still very sharp blade more quickly.

>>16359333
For foodservice? Not really.

>>16359756
Yes, after 1 you will want 2 or 3 or 10 more lol. Jnats can be crazy expensive and not necessarily for performance, but for weird japanese aesthetics. I believe a lot of very good stones are nearly guaranteed to increase in value over time, which makes it a little better if you can hold out for 10-25 years to sell them.

Koppa or off cut stones can be pretty inexpensive and still super good quality. Sounds like you may have some already.

Pic is Nakayama Maruka

Tried sharpening a cheap old super dull knife on a cheap 400/1000 double sided stone for the first time just a few days ago. Took me about 15 mins to find a reasonable set up, like how/where to place the stone, how to hold the knife, how to move it etc. Then about 15 mins of actual grinding. Results are not at all great yet but it's usable again and I think I can build on that. Just to give an idea about the time it takes.

>>16356092
That tape on the flats thing is a great tip I'll use when I try some of the better knives.

>>16359445
holy fucking fathands, batman

>>16359774
pls post pic of ur knife that you've had since 12. seems neat

>>16359774
I just use a straight razor that takes disposable blades, you fucking hipster.

>>16356209
Being afraid of dangerous things is what seperates retards from non-retards.

Whetstones are great, I have 3 of them. One large one I keep at home, a mini whetstone that I take to work but I dropped and shattered a chunk off of, and replacement mini whetstone that I have yet to use because the broken one still works wonders. I actually used said "broken" whetstone earlier this week to restore a knife at work back to the keen edge it had when it was brought to our kitchen in '06. Just get a double-sided stone and look up some tutorials and you'll be on your way.

>>16356074
You're a meme OP.
Why would you buy decorative tools?

>>16358976
I'm fairly sure they're a meme designed to make people feel "cheffy" because their favorite TV-cook uses them. In the age of easy to use, runthrough sharperners, there's no need anymore. Unless your knife is like 500 dollar maybe and you want to preserve it for 50 years.

>>16360439
If dummies like you were the norm we wouldn't have harnessed fire

>>16359445

>>16357165
if you dont fall for the nipponese waterstone memes or recommendations not at all.

if you buy a cheap stone imo you are better off with hard bounded ones.
They might be a tad slower but dont need conditioning for a long time.
zische ceramic, chink sintered ruby(my worst is on the same level as a midrange arkansas but 3x faster), are excelent finishers for knifes. can be had below 25$ in big formats
doublesided Vitrified Aluminium oxide as a coarse bevel former, either oil prefilled or for water usage are 15$ a stone
A vintage coarse carborundum is 5$ on ebay and almost as fast as diamond plate.
A strop with SiC paste can replace a 6k stone for 5$

Stone autism is only needed on razors

>>16360740
Okay, congratulations? Getting fat really isn't hard.

ooh, look at this fancy potato hand motherfucker

>>16358976
Straightening the edge is a myth. It's only Americans that call them 'honing' rods, to everyone else they're called 'sharpening' steels.
https://scienceofsharp.com/2018/08/22/what-does-steeling-do-part-1/

>>16356074
Get some cheap-ass non-coated stainless steel knife and practice on that first. It takes some effort to practice, so don't try your first time on a $200 knife.

>>16363956
carbon is easier to learn on than stainless unless you are trying to haze op in which case carry on

>>16363982
Whichever one is less embarrassing is the one I meant.

>>16356074
just use the bottom of a coffee mug you coward

>>16356074
holy shit bro its just a piece of metal. imagine you have a pencil and you sharpen it. it's all in your head, you're just shaving down a piece of metal

>>16356074
Just use the stones or diamond rods or plates or leather strops or a brick or a electric sharpener or grinding wheel.
It doesn't matter the only thing that matters is that you practice on your old shit knives first after watching some youtube videos on how to do it.

>>16363090
>>16360740
Jesus I'm retarded, not only did I fail to find the right potato picture, I didn't even fucking reply to the post. ngmi bros, pls send help

>>16360439
Knife sharpening is hardly dangerous and getting a cheap knife to practice with won't make it any less dangerous.