/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>16281825
the beef industry is literally destroying our planet. you've missed the whole point

sage in all fields

>not vegan or vegetarian
Lol what? I thought that was the point.

>>16281825
I'm not even a vegtard but if you can't see where the market is for this you're more than an absolute retard. Impossibly stupid thread and mostly bait. 2/10 made me reply

>>16281841
>industry is literally destroying our planet.

Fixed your typo

>>16281848
>**Burger King Corporation makes no claim that the IMPOSSIBLE™ WHOPPER® or any other of its products meets the requirements of a vegan or vegetarian diet.
>The IMPOSSIBLE™ patty is cooked on the same grill as meat patties

Based burger king, lets make a non-vegan non-vegetarian patty, cook it in animal grease, and we'll pretend it's vegan food.

>>16281848
Some vegans believe that once a chemical has been tested on animals, it is metaphysically tainted and even in 1000 years you'll lose your vegan powers if you ingest it.

Those vegans are retarded.

>>16281841
NOOOOOOOOO NOT OUR PLANETINO

>>16281858
that's fair. this is one of the big ones and low hanging fruit if technology can get us there, no? also cars/airplanes, almonds, concrete, etc.

>>16281891
Killing yourself will make more of a difference towards the climate change hoax than convincing me to stop eating meat. How dedicated to your beliefs are you really?

>>16281900
yikes

>>16281891
The beef industry is not "one of the big ones." Corn and soy have ravaged the environment across much of the country, whole species of insects, plants and animals are going extinct so we can grow soy and corn
>B-but it's for the cows!!
No it's for plastics, textiles, fuel and human food products. The only really "sustainable" solutions are to either limit the population, ration access directly or artificially thru manufactured demand, or make it possible for people to raise and grow their own food. We are doing option 2 at the moment because other options may result in Amazon warehouse slaves and other debt serfs leaving cities for more sustainable and satisfactory lifestyles.

>>16281900
Exactly, the solution begins at home. These mouth breathers should have been celebrating if there was really a plague.

>>16281900
Doomed Checkmark 1# - A unempathetic population that consumes to high hell

>>16281825
they should only serve it to prisoners as punishment

>>16281825
>>Costs more than beef pound for pound
Not if these prices keep going up.

>>16281825
https://youtu.be/yFfrzgarjXw?t=299

Lol this chick said it stinks like shit too

>>16281825
It's made to taunt humans. They want us to eat the food of our own food. It's sad really. They do it openly to our faces and some retards actually welcome it lol.
>>16281841
Tell Bill Gates and other rich people pushing this vegeshit bugshit to stop flying their private jets then.


You won't, keep worshipping your false human gods. Keep voluntarly castrating yourself with meatless diets. You are a perfect slave, nothing. You. Are. Nothing.

>>16281871
>impossible burgers are only sold at Burger King

>>16281960
This, a 14oz package at Walmart is now under $5, but beef keeps going up

>>16281825
>beef made from plants
Alright time to sue these misleading fucks

>>16282251
It literally is plant-based beef though. And it tastes exactly like beef. What's wrong with that? Does that offend you, twinkletoes?

>>16282353
>beef
That implies actual meat
>tastes exactly like beef.
It smells and tastes like worse version of catfood

>>16281825
It’s disgusting, but not as disgusting as the people trying to sell it to the masses.

>>16282353
>plant-based beef

Beef is already plant based. Cows don't eat meat

>>16282371
cool it with the antisemitism

>>16282358
>It smells and tastes like worse version of catfood
Ask me how I know you have never tried it. Go ahead, ask. Blind taste tests don't lie, beef-shill.
>>16282397
Eating dead carcasses isn't plant based, anon. Nice try though.

>>16281825

>Literally mystery meat

So Impossible/Beyond meat could be human?

Don't understand why Vegans would still go to somewhere like Mcdonalds or Burger King that serves Plant Based food rather than a smaller business which has no ties to animal farming

>>16281825
I'm curious about how resource intensive(wasteful) the process of making this stuff is. Sorta like how almond milk is absurdly water heavy to produce.
What goes into this "meat" production?

>>16282429

Eating heavily processed soybeans isn't eating beef either

>>16281891
Technology is one of the big industries destroying the planet.
Compared to properly acquired and packaged beef, impossible is awful for the planet.
Ingredients shipped from all over to a giant factory using tons of fuel and plastic. Like there is plastic being used for less than a pound of "meat"

Compared to a grass finished, rotationally grazed cow share, you really don't need much to raise the cow, and if its local the animal doesn't travel far to the butcher, and the meat can be wrapped entirely in paper, far more biodegradable than this shrink wrapped plastic shit. Finally, a single cow can easily feed a person for 4-8 years. The meat will stay perfectly fine in a freezer, or can be dried, cured, smoked, salted, canned etc, for even more staying power. Meanwhile you need to buy this impossible shit every time you go to the supermarket.

With some slight law changes we could have even more environmentally friendly meat, but no one wants to see eye to eye on how our governments are fucking us over in the name of capatilisim and profit. Divide and conquer, I guess.

>>16282451

Because vegans are literally retarded.

>>16282482

It's all for image and their ideals and views are pretentious and shallow.

>>16282451
>have brain
>brain is 60% cholesterol.
>cuck yourself into believing any dietary cholesterol is bad for you
>"COWS DONT EAT CHOLESTEROL AND THEY ARE JUST FINE"
>be cow
>have specialized gut bacteria that eat cellulose and shit out cholesterol which you in turn digest

>>16282473
>let's feed everyone grass fed beef
That's impossible™ as there's not enough land or resources to do so. Nice try though. Impossible Meat still uses far less land, resources, and creates far less greenhouse emissions than bovine flesh.
Nice try though.

If everyone switched to plant based diet wouldn't it fuck up the ecosystem and planet even more?

>>16282530
He's on roids you retard. And I doubt he's truly vegan

>>16282530
>lets feed everyone
But you don't feed anyone. You don't even feed yourself.
I'm not for cooperation's feeding the world. I'm for small farmers worldwide being able to feed themselves and their communities without government oppression. You literally have NO idea where the ingredients in these silicon valley burgers are sourced from, what they are sprayed with, or what they are fertilized with. You have no clue what goes into your mouth, but you want to tell others to be like you?

Can you feed the world on one animal? No. But you can't feed the world on just plants either. Most land cant even grow crops. But you wouldn't know that because you have no connection whatsoever with what you eat. Wake up.

fuck Beyond Meat and fuck cows. I bet you think cows are your fluffy little milk friends, ooh they would never hurt anyone, look at their big dumb eyes!!! WRONG. Cows are mindless killing machines. Given the chance they'd eat you, your children, and your children's children and still have space left over in their four (you read that right FOUR) stomachs. "B-but cows are herbivores! They just eat grass!!" Right, and I'm sure those horns are just decorative right? They couldn't possibly be for goring everyone and everything you know and love, right? Open your eyes.
>devils and demons consistently portrayed with cow horns
>the demon king Ravana had the horns of cattle
>times of rising stock market prices (beneficial to Jews) is called a BULL market
>MILK = KIL(L) M(AN) (cows are terrible spellers, see Chic Fil A)
>milkmen (servants to the bovine) fucked my wife
>aliens historically abduct cows (they recognize that they are the ones truly in power)
my grandfather served as a cowboy, he told me the horror stories of his time on the ranch, of watching his friends get trampled under the merciless hooves of the cattle, of the sleepless nights listening to the distant moos, wondering if at any second a horn might pierce his tent wall. He died just last month of "lactose intolerance". Completely unrelated, I'm sure. Cows are not our friends. Eating them is the only way we can keep them at bay. Remember:
IT'S
US
OR
THEM

>>16282614

>>16282614
truth

>>16282571
>everyone should be a farmer
Not everyone wants to be a poorfag, Cletus. 99% of the planet doesn't live on farmland, Cletus. Go eat a McBeetus burger and calm down with your strawmans and disinformation, Cletus.

>>16282706
>strawmans and disinfo
How? The only thing you have is adhom.

>>16281871
fridge temp IQ

>>16281825
the best thing for the planet and our health is sustainably raised animal products

>>16281848
>Lol what? I thought that was the point.
The point is to lessen the need on cows. You know, the things that produce a ton of CO2 and is bad for the environment. Has nothing to do with vegan / vegetarian diets.

>>16283025
that image says to me that you could eat beans and not have to worry about how rich the rest of your diet in those listed nutrients

>>16283025
This.

The only reason all this garbage exists is because it's funded by subsidies.

Agreed. I prefer Beyond Burgers. They are lower calories, higher in protein, and dknt contain soy.

>>16282429
i tried it for shits and giggles and it tastes like shit are you serious

>>16283068
>>16283068
Exactly.
I'm a semi-vegetarian and it's good for me.
I don't care that it's cooked on the same grill as real burgers, the point is that it reduces my meat intake and reduces demand for the meat industry
I also like them as much as I do real whoppers, so I may as well go with the option that doesn't require killing a cow

>>16283329
Is soy really that bad to have a few times a week or is that a /pol/ meme?

>>16282706
>forced to give away my hard earned money to the government as taxes
>government shuts down business and tanks the economy
>government gives back a fraction of what was taken from me as recompense
>get called a hypocrite for cashing the check

What is it like being so stupid? Does it hurt?

>>16283068
except when raised properly cows on net remove c02

>>16283394
Fermented or as decent tofu it's fine, but otherwise it'll fuck up your endocrine system.

>>16281825

>>16281871
I had those. It was delicious, especially with double cheese.

>>16283492
What about soy sauce?

>>16283525
It was okay. Everything good about it comes from literally every part of it but the patty itself, which is just savory ???? paste.

>>16283068
Global warming doesn't exist

Western world meat production is so insanely efficient at what it does that there is zero way that meat alternatives could possibly beat it.

What do you think happens to all the byproducts from farming crops? They get fed to cows. You can't use them to grow meat alternatives. Cows eat all the byproduct shit that humans can't eat, and pump out fertiliser to use back on those crops. All that water activists say cows use? It's just fucking rain water that winds up getting pissed back out anyway. That land you can't grow crops on because it's all just hills? Put cows on it.

Fun fact, the US produces 18% of the world's beef but is only home to 6% of the world's beef cows. It's THAT efficient in the west. If cow farming truly is a problem, then it's the rest of the world doing is inefficiently.

>>16283068
Take your meds

So this is the tranny thread

>>16283678
And that's why you came here chud

>>16283555
soy sauce is fermented

>>16282706
I never said everyone has to be a farmer. But idk 1 percent of the united states farming seems a bit... idk. Low? Also you don't even need to be a farmer to have a garden or some backyard chickens. It's kind of insane that wealthy people will pay mexicans to mow their lawns and trim their hedges once a week when they could easily pay them to manage a garden. Or *gasp* you could even do it yourself.

Also you don't have to be poor to be a farmer. Though idk how rich a lot of folk in the city are, most of them are in debt and don't own anything.

>>16283658
It's still cruel which is why I rarely eat beef anymore

>>16283658
>T. Beef rancher kike living on subsidies

>>16283722
>he doesn't know about beef farmers who are completely independent of government subsidies.

>>16282614
this should be a GTA radio phone call thing

What are the best fake burgers you guys have had so far?

>>16284041
the closest thing i've had to a fake burger is a grilled cheese. so i'd say grilled cheese is the best so far.

>>16284041
Impossible burger, but you need to cook it hot and fast, get maximum browning on both sides while leaving some pink in the middle.

Places like Burger King or even sit-down eateries always overcook the everloving shit out of impossible burger for some reason.

Buy the bulk pack (Walmart like ~$6) and use half of it per burger and make it fairly thick, that works well.

>>16283068
ok this is actually a really great argument

every marketing and advertising mongrel should be exterminated, I can see it now... "it's IMPOSSIBLE meat!!"... "oh yah yeh genius, william, genius" it's like living in a world run by aliens.

>>16282539
no, because more than half of crops are fed to livestock than goes directly to feed humans

>>16282706
steal money from the government as much as you can. you are literally taking your well-earned tax dollars back, cletus is based

>>16283068
>THE COW FARTS ARE KILLING THE PLANET
Can't wait for New York City to be underwater by 2015 just like you people said it would be.

>>16283068
>the things that produce a ton of CO2 and is bad for the environment.
What
>more animals
>bad for the environment
How about you start by killing yourself?

>>16283394
Don't listen to >>16283492, it's bullshit pseudoscience. Soy doesn't do shit to you.

>>16283068
Literally every animal on the planet produces CO2 you fucking retard. It’s called breathing.

>>16283068
It's not the co2, it's the methane which is the problem

>>16281848
I have a friend who works at a facility that produces impossible meat. It's processed in the same machinery used for beef, and as someone who formerly worked with mexicans cleaning machinery- I can say with almost 100% certainty, they're not cleaning it when they switch from beef to impossible meat.
So even though it is vegan on paper, I'm almost 100% sure it's tainted with beef.

>>16282614
haha

>>16285969
>Don't listen to >>16283492(You), it's bullshit pseudoscience. Soy doesn't do shit to you.

>>16286810
its all fake bullshit and hyped marketing for vegans. veganism is the biggest scam lol. gotta pay out the ass for your fake lifestyle that is idiotic.

>>16282706

>don't hate the player, hate the game

>>16284041
A homemade veggie burger made from scratch that doesn't try to replicate meat.

I can't get meat to taste like squash, so maybe stop trying to get legumes to taste like meat.

>>16285969
https://herculeanstrength.com/japan-male-catfish-female-with-soy/

>>16282571
>the "emissions" meme
if you actually cared about the environment you'd talk about the heavy metal pollution of continents instead of the "greenhouse gas" myth

>>16287373
how much heavy metal does a cow produce?

>>16286810
so they're mixing this soylent green shit with the ground beef I buy at the store?
THE FUCK?

I'm gonna have to grind my own hamburger from now on, I guess.

>>16285197

The only parts of NYC that flooded in whatever year that big storm was, were those that were expanded beyond the original landmass of the island of Manhattan.

>>16283658
Retard doesn't realize how factory farmed beef isn't suitable at all and relys in heavy government subsidies. Beef will be real efficient once all the soil has eroded from soy and corn farms

>>16287379
Ask this guy

>>16286810
I'm not one of those "if it ever touched meat then it's tainted" vegetarians

>>16287551
That's becuase you have no other choice, you hypocrite.

>>16283068

>>16287495
who the fuck is that

>>16284041
Vegan TS at McDicks

>>16281933
>m-muh empathy
Kys
>>16283068
>cows farting is melting Antarctica
I haven’t heard this meme in almost ten years. Thanks for the kek.

>>16281825
vegans are retards, vegetarians are sometimes okay

>>16282571
>fellow White Oak Pastures enjoyer
Brother. I get most of my meat from sources more local to me than them (as it should be), but I order from them once or twice a year. I've got to make it out to their restaurant one of these days.

>>16283068
>You know, the things that produce a ton of CO2 and is bad for the environment.
You mean the chinese?

>>16287729
I actually have never eaten from White Oaks. I use white oaks as a reference to show that livestock raised in a way similar to white oaks regenerative model can actually be beneficial for the environment. I actually feel more comfortable purchasing large livestock shares within state lines because I can bypass some pretty oppressive regulations that may put the animals welfare on the line. Small livestock is raised, slaughtered, and butchered by myself.

>>16287555
The point of me not eating meat is mainly to not kill animals. It's not about "purity", and I wouldn't waste food just because it came into contact with meat

>>16287814
You don't kill anyone you retard. And by eating your vegeshit mixed with beef, you contribute to the killing anyway.

>>16282706
>tfw voted for Trump both times and make too much money to collect on stimulus.
Don't care because I made 20 times the stimulus checks from my investments into this clown economy.

>>16287814
Kind of weird because no matter what you eat animals die.

>>16287740
That is the way. I'm working on building up my property into a homestead, myself. White Oak has been an inspiration for me. The scale of their operation is so impressive, considering it is regenerative and sustainable. They send out several pieces of some good propaganda with each order. They employ a lot of people. The only parties they don't benefit are the corporations which peddle poisons and the governments which enable them.

>>16283394
tldr: If you're a man and you wanted to play it safe, you'd avoid soy and other sources of xenoestrogens, unless they're so healthy that its worth it

It's currently unclear is soy is bad for men.
Basically, soy contains extremely high levels of chemicals that act like estrogen, compared to other fruits and vegetables.
There's some disagreement on how it affects human hormones, but there's some good evidence that it helps the symptoms of low estrogen, like in post-menopausal women, so I assume it increases human estrogen levels.
The male body creates and uses estrogen-like compounds, but having too much can have give you depression, erectile dysfunction, infertility, man-boobs (gynocomastia), and some other things.

pic related
links related:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222325632_Phytoestrogen_content_of_fruits_and_vegetables_commonly_consumed_in_the_UK_based_on_LC-MS_and_13C-labelled_standards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogen
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/estrogen-in-men#is-high-estrogen-bad

i've tried impossible burgers at a few different restaurants, they never taste very good and i wouldn't order again
impossible sausage is really tasty though. still no point because it's worse nutritionally, but i like the concept and hope it keeps improving

>>1628747
livestock subsidies are a fraction of what goes to corn, wheat, and soybean, and even that is mostly to chicken

>>16288042
except significant swathes of the population are already nutritionally deficient so why promote more and more nutritionally poor foods? we should be telling people to eat more organ meats, fish, leafy greens, eggs, dairy, etc

>>16288056
i would hope that they would also improve nutritionally along with taste. i don't disagree though

>>16288067
personally i find the concept of lab-grown meat most compelling. it purports to be nutritionally the same as a cell of traditional animal meat nutritionally but instead of it coming from a slaughterhouse where the livestock is exposed to bacteria, virus and often treated with antibiotics, it could be grown cleanly in a lab without any suffering of creatures. last time i checked though it was about $1000 a meatball...

>>16288116
same. bring on the vat of lab grown ribeye please

>>16288116
This is going to depend, for me, on what kind of meat they will replicate in a lab. If they can reproduce the meat of a pastured animal and sell that, I will be all for it. If they reproduce the meat of a grain-fed steer pumped full of artificial growth hormones, I'll stick to farms.

>>16281825
It exists so virtue signallers can feel good about themselves while still eating "meat".

>>16281932
wow someone that understands plant and animal agriculture

just wait till they make meat illegal, or becomes so expensive that no one can buy it, they'll tax it, say it's for the environment or whatever bullshit they can get away with. Your only protein choices are going to be this crap or bugs

>>16288203
The most likely introduction of lab grown meat will be at the very low end of meat products, cheap sausages, cold cuts, and fillers, where texture is unimportant.

>>16281879
*vegans are retarded
Fixed

>>16288288
Is Facebook down, boomer?

>>16288116
By eating lab grown meat you kill the future animal that would have born born and raised to fill that role instead. Except they don't get to experience the beauty of life before they're killed.
I find that far more monstrous than eating humanely-raised animals, though probably better than factory-farmed meat.

>>16288288
mcchicken is 50% soy, mcnuggets are 50% soy, Burger king chicken original chicken sandwich is 50% soy. Mcrib is 50% soy. Cheap cans of chili now use *soy protein*. the ramen noodle craze is just flour 'protein' with salt.

>>16288026
I eat an impossible burger like once a week so I should be fine

>>16288677
How is your transition coming along?

>>16288292
Yeah. There's no fucking way they can reproduce a proper ribeye
Maybe a burger at best if they're lucky

>>16288579
No. You're a fucking idiot.

>McChicken Patty
Ingredients: Boneless Chicken, Bleached Wheat Flour, Water, Vegetable Oil (canola Oil, Corn Oil, Soybean Oil, Hydrogenated Soybean Oil), Wheat Flour, Modified Corn Starch, Sea Salt, Spice, Potassium Chloride, Salt, Paprika, Dextrose, Sodium Phosphates, Leavening (ammonium Bicarbonate, Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Baking Soda, Monocalcium Phosphate), Wheat Gluten, Natural Flavors With Extractives Of Paprika, Yeast, Corn Starch, Garlic Powder.

Contains: Wheat.

I'm not even going to bother looking up the other stuff because you are so clearly retarded and misinformed that it would be a waste of my time.

>>16288529

>>16288944
The clear consequence of any system of morals that seeks to "minimize deaths" is the complete and utter eradication of nature. If it's wrong for humans to kill for their meals, then what of lions, eagles, sharks, who often deliver much more gruesome deaths to their pray than we do? And if you eliminate all predators, then prey populations will grow until their environment can no longer support them, leading to widespread famine and suffering. So they have to go as well. Leaving no one on Earth but us.

Would you also advocate for the annihilation of the human race as well, or are only animals worthy of being spared the pain of existence?

>>16289050
I'm not against killing for food, but modern factory farming of animals is awful

>>16289317
Right, which is why sustainability hunted wild game = humanely raised animals >>> lab “meat” >>> factory farmed animals

>>16289335
Factory farming is the only reason people eat 20kg of meat pet week

>>16289339
People don't eat 20kg of meat per week. That would mean they would have to eat almost 3 kilos of meat per day. I could see a really big person eating 3 kilos of meat in a day maybe, but they would get sick of it. A kilo of meat is anywhere between 3200 and 5000 kcal.

Keep in mind you can actually get away with eating that amount of beef in a week if you ate 2-3 cows per year.

>>16289335
>sustainability hunted wild game = humanely raised animals
I'm going to have to disagree. It's impossible to control disease and especially parasites in wild game, and some of them can pass on to humans. One of the biggest advantages of farming is that the animals can be closely monitored for illness and have a diet of uncontaminated food. Just look what happens in China when you still have a culture of eating bush meat.

>>16287733
The US military produces more carbon emissions than anyone else in the world

>>16289642
So what's the best thing to do, buy meat from places that don't treat their animals like shit?

>>16283900

>>16289724
The best option is to buy whatever is cheapest and don't think about it :)
If you can't suspend your morality that much, then yes, that would be the best option. Hunting your own game is still a great option, but it's still less safe, and doesn't taste as good, and in a world where people are doing stupid shit like washing their chicken breast, it's better if the general population does not have access to it.

>>16289642
Yeah prions don't fuck around. Chronic wasting disease has been found in my local mule deer population. While there is no direct link to humans get it the risk isn't worth it

>>16281841
MUH COW FARTS KILLING DUH PWANET

>>16287354
>Im artisict ASS loveeeeeeeee the impossible. NIGGER BALLS can't see very far only deep. WHITECUNT WITH F?URRYS, CHINPOKEMON

>>16283658
>corn fed industrial beef
>produce fertilizer
lol, ok agra-shill

If you really want to own the vegans, ask them what they think about artificial fertilizers destroying literally everything.
According to the vegan rulebook, there is no way in hell that using an animal biproduct like shit in any way is vegan.

>>16288701
>>McChicken Patty

Are you autistic or something. The point is a lot of fast food burgers use the word chicken but aren't entirely real chicken. You can call it wheat or whatever, but at the end of the day, it's not real chicken and you're in denial. Go ahead and gobble down some more mcribs though.

>>16291451
It's pretty funny because that means they wouldn't even support some veganic farmers that rescue livestock and literally raise them soley for their shit.

There are vegans who are totally against organic farming because of manure, some don't even know what artificial fertilizer was other than it wasn't animal shit, and others, are adamantly against natural fertilizers because they can't imagine it coming from anywhere other than a factory farm.

>>16289050
i am seeking to minimize pointless suffering which is maxed out with factory farmed shit and can potentially be eliminated with lab grown meat

>>16293265
So glass the planet then. No more suffering forever.

>>16283068

>muh cows produce co2

Fuck off with the eco-facist bullshit.

Literally 1% of all fossil fuels consumed last year went to mining cryptocurrency. Technology companies are burning through unfathomable amounts of coal to cool their computers that are mining for magic internet "money" but sure, yeah cows are the problem.

>>16282706
The stimulus wasn't some vague handout. Its literally the government rightfully paying you because it forced your work to close down.

>>16281871
>The IMPOSSIBLE™ patty is cooked on the same grill as meat patties
Why would this be a problem? Veganism is a theology not a food allergy.

>>16293677
>Its literally the government rightfully paying you because it forced your work to close down

How about those taxes

>>16283068
Cows are good for the environment. You're repeating vegan lies.

https://youtu.be/sGG-A80Tl5g

>>16283713
Beef is probably the least cruel food available. Plant-based foods brutally murder billions of small animals and birds. They are killed very painfully and terrifyingly, e.g. poison, traps, rodent-killing dogs.

When you eat beef one death feeds you for a year and it was slaughtered humanely.

>>16293825
>Veganism is a theology
>theology
You’re a fucking idiot.

>>16283068
CO2 is not a pollutant. CO2 does not cause temperature to rise. Humanity thrives when it warms, suffer when its cold. Warm weather > cold weather

>>16291938
you made a claim and he proved you wrong retard. maybe make claims that are right in the first place.

>>16291938
>you can call it wheat or whatever
what do you think the breading is made out of. retard.

>>16293903
Veganism is from the Seventh Day Adventist Church whose supposed prophet claimed God told her nobody should eat meat.

Veganism is literally a theological belief.

>>16293277
but then youd be killing all the people and animals who could experience happiness and positive conscious states

>>16283068
Thank god shipping and bleaching textured soy protein in a heated chemical solution has 0 carbon footprint