/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Hard to disagree with him, Michelin stars are basically licences to jack your prices up

>>16199287
>I was being judged by people who had less knowledge than me
BASED

>>16199287
should have chose option c

Yes. They're not completely without merit but they are vastly overrated. The award process is also deeply corrupt

>>16199320
You don't need knowledge to know what tastes good though.

>>16199287
Who?

How do people perpetuate the white people can't cook meme when people like this guy exist?

>>16199341
Taste is entirely subjective.

>>16199353
I don't know how anyone can claim whites can't do [something], it's a white world we all live in. Everything ever done worthy of note, was done by Europeans.

>>16199287
Michelin reviewers have long ago spilled the beans how stupid their jobs were, the income, the selection processes, the everything. Anyone who places any worth on a business/chef getting stars or not getting stars is an idiot. They weren't earned by worth alone. It is political, and even random, and nothing more. A person using the Guide to actually pick and choose destinations along their road trip can know that at least someone ate there anonymously once, and got a level of service and food at that moment in time, if they were honest, and that's about it. By contrast, ZAGAT had reviewers who were known to be epicures, and people with great experience, whether in the industry, or just being very rich and cultured, and vast dining lifestyles. They were hand picked judges of caliber.

Everyone knows that Marco Pierre White just lazed out and quit, drugs and alcohol can do that when your job requires a lot of effort. He failed in business in that he could have managed a restaurant more hands off if he could train people properly, and didn't need to re-invent himself, but he was probably unable to grow above that when in the thick of depression, drugs and alcohol. Look at his failure with at least one of his children. Geesh, something was wrong at home, from finances to proper parenting. Someone actually successful and skilled would rip a kid out of a bad situation fast, but it's in the genes. The guy is a known bully.

>>16199367
Yeah, some people genuinely believe it though.

>>16199368
t. Mentally unstable insecure bitch Gordon

And now he’s selling knorr stock pots
Not a very admirable life

>>16199287
>spend time with my children and re-invent myself
got fat, divorced and his kids a failure meme. Mate maybe you'd be better off making fancy steaks for rich people.

>>16199396
Dude gets millions for showing up to a photoshoot once every six months because of the reputation he made for himself. That's pretty damn admirable. If you think it's shameful for someone to leverage their reputation to make money then please fuck off commie.

>>16199287
>I could live a lie and charge high prices and not be behind the stove
Ramsay on suicide watch

>>16199375
No they don't.. it's just deep cope.

>>16199375
niggers on twitter thinking boiled chicken with boiled broccolis is the white man's staple. Maybe in bumfuck nowhere in the Midwest it is.

>>16199287
He's worse than Gordon

>>16199837
Nah. He's honest. If you went to his restaurant, he'd be in the kitchen, involved in your meal. When he quit and did the stockpot thing, he did exactly that, and made no bones about it. He looked the camera in the eye and said, "And you put in a fucking stockpot, a knorr stockpot.

Gordon on the other hand is the opposite. His infamous grilled cheese sandwich video is one example. The fact that he's a businessman who roves around his restaurant locations and does not actually cook daily as Marco did, is another. He's a franchise.

Neither are actual Chefs anymore in the traditional manner. Marco is honest about it, Gordon is not.

He got his Michelin stars thanks to his mentors, his work ethic and his excellent staff and despite his arrogance and cocaine addiction.

Michelin is a French tire company interested in French tourists using their tires.

They're unfair, controversial, fashion minded and biased. But their formula works.

Gault & Millau, Gambero Rosso, Slow Food Foundation and Identità Golose work too. Why this obsession with Michelin and the world's 50 best?

>>16199396
Whats so admirable about yours? This dude paid his dues and became the most celebrated and youngest chef ever to achieve the accolades he has. But I guess thats all done because he wanted to chill and make some passive income. Hes not a politician, he cooked food for a living.

>>16199287
Michelin Stars are a joke
You can literally used can products and as long as you have your restaurant in a place they actually go to, use an "exotic ingredient", make a small portion, and make it look nice and expensive you instantly get a Michelin Star. Absolute joke

>>16200010
>cocaine addiction.
He isn't Gordon.

>>16199287
>I was being judged by people who had less knowledge than me, so what was it truly worth? I gave Michelin inspectors too much respect
based

>>16200021
Being unknown is one good indication that I'm living well. Famous people are all scum. It's a prerequisite for fame.

>>16199379
Gordon himself has a whole documentary on how hard he pushed to earn his own stars, you mong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E57EaML5NE

>>16199287
The knowledge of a chef of the quality of a dish can't compare to someone who eats at expensive restaurants for a living. He doesn't have a sufficiently large reference frame.

>>16200314
and also for being excessively wealthy.

>>16200429
>Narcissistic enough to see his arrogance as a virtue.

>>16199287
you don't have to be a chef to know when the food sucks

>>16200429
>you mong
Gordon please go practice your grilled cheese technique

>>16199626
Haha fucking baby face ramsey

>>16199287
There was a chef who wrote a cook book/autobio thing. In which he admitted that he was addicted to heroin while earning is first two Michelin stars. Either he's psycho or the Michelin thing is really shady

>>16200429
Worshipping Gordon Ramsay is a reddit pursuit, you flid, you spacker, you retard, you spastic, you mong

>>16199353
Yooo maaanneee. White bitches food so blaaaaand, dey not be usin Cayenne spice and that cajun powder shiiieeeettt.

>>16201094
Follow the logic here for a moment.

Gordon is a multi starred Chef.He is therefore an authority on all things cooking related. If he says boil an egg three minutes, it must be the right way. If he says the souffle must rest for 10 minutes, well he's obviously correct there as well. He IS the authority.

So when he burns the bread on a grilled cheese sandwich because he uses a thin stamped pan over a raging hearth fire, in which he specifies a type of cheese others might find unsuitable for the task and which fails to melt, he is actually correct and we must be incorrect.

He is the Chef, and we are not. Therefore the superior manner in which to make grilled cheese sandwiches must be to burn the bread, use a hard type of cheese, a thin pan and excessive heat.

We have been thinking about and making grilled cheese in an entirely incorrect manner all this time. In fact what we've been making and eating might not even have been actual grilled cheese sandwiches all along., and Gordon has helped us begin to see this.

>>16199626

> Ramsay: Making money by the boatload
> MVP: Shilling knorr stockpot on youtube to barely get by

I don't know. I think I would've just lied and taken the money.

>>16201193
How would you know this to be true if you've not been a reddit devotee yourself?

>>16201193
you would know

>>16199287
He was right by accident, they're meaningless not because the people are less expert than him, but because they're expert.
Food is made for the people who eat it. In this case rich retards who think paying more for "culinary masterpieces" is worthwhile, but in a broader sense, the value of any food not eaten simply to remain alive is purely the enjoyment it brings the person eating it. Technically, that makes more expensive food better to someone who enjoys the feeling of paying a lot for food, though that's pretty stupid.
Food made with ingredients indistinguishable from cheaper ingredients by the person eating it is no better than if it were made using those cheaper ingredients.
Food made using ingredients most people find bland or repulsive or unpleasant but select people find "exciting" either through genuine overexposure to flavor, sense of adventure, or more commonly through being pretentious twats: is worse than just regular good food.

Food is not art.
Food is food.
And art is not even what these assholes pretend it is, to begin with.
If a chef wants their food to be considered art, they should call themselves a "sandwich artist" instead and serve it in museums rather than restaurants.

What does stay puft marshmallow man have to do with cooking anyway

>>16199347
Chef Knorr

>>16200451
COPE

>>16199347
Marco "I did not make Gordon cry, he made himself cry, that was his choice" Pierre White.

>>16201193
*phlid

>>16201280
Not coping in the least. Show me the bio of an excessively wealthy individual (who did not inherit the money) who is well known for being a wonderful individual. There's a few actors, a few others in the arts. But in business, where most money is made? They generally get where they are by stepping on the faces of those below them on the success ladder.

There will always be exceptions, genuinely good people who made it to the top, but those are very, very rare.

>>16201305
>morality
cope

What I hate about Michelin is how it became perverted into snobbery and refused to expand globally.

>>16201308
So you are just a minimal effort trolling twat then. How uninteresting.

>>16199287
too right and too based

>>16199347
knorr stock pot shill

>>16201355
knorr stock pots are good though
you don't always have time or energy to prepare everything from scratch

>>16200429
9:40 is pretty much spot on, it's not really about the quality of food but the hype and appeared behind it, eventually gorden stopped caring about the stars seeing as it wasn't worth the up keep either, if you want to impress the rich sure go for 3 stars other then that it's nothing more

>>16201355
that's BASED knorr stock pot shill

>>16201364
This is actually true.

I bought Knorr stock cubes due to MPW's meme status and honestly they really do step up home cooking. I don't cook enough meat or have enough time to spend my whole weekend making stock and demi glace.

>>16201412
It's just salt

>>16201419
t. never used one
>>16201412
>>16201397
>>16201364
This. I even started to make the cub paste, he does. Schnitzel has never tasted better.

>>16201397
his son is BASED

>>16199626
>>16200429
>>16201281
Isn't this the same nigger that showed up to Marco's wedding with a camera crew?

KWAB

>>16199626
>>16201452
>For almost a decade, the mysterious theft of a reservation book from the top London restaurant where Gordon Ramsay made his name has baffled the culinary world.

>An unidentified man pulled up outside the Aubergine restaurant on a scooter, dived in, snatched the book - in the days before computerised bookings, a serious act of sabotage - and bolted.

>Ramsay, then head chef, pointed the finger at his mentor turned nemesis, Marco Pierre White, who, he believed, wanted to depose him and take over the Michelin starred Chelsea restaurant.

>The person behind the 1998 robbery was never identified. Until now. "It was me," Ramsay has admitted. "I nicked it. I blamed Marco. Because I knew that would fuck him and that it would call off the dogs ... I still have the book in a safe at home."

>He arranged for the biker to steal it, he explained. "It was my one stroke of genius, fucking someone over without his knowing that I was the one who done it. And the [restaurant owners] cutting Marco off and wanting to get closer to me, kissing my ass ... You always eat that fucking revenge when it's cold, don't you? Trust me, this was stone cold."

Forever Marco's bitch

>>16201437
>Ingredients
SALT, Vegetable Fat, Monosodium Glutamate (A SALT) Corn Flour, Sugar, Chicken Meat And Fat, Hydrolysed Vegetable Protein, Permitted Flavourings (Contain Eggs and probably SALT again), Soy Sauce (Soybean, Wheat, SALT, Maltodextrin, Modified Starch, Monosodium Glutamate (another SALT) And Potassium Iodate (also a SALT)), Vegetable Oil, Spices, Garlic, Onion And Sodium Inosinate (yet another SALT) And Guanylate (Another SALT that is added to enhance the impact of SALT).
You're lying if you say any of the other ingredients are relevant you salt brained plebs.

There are better store bought stock cubes in super markets. Knorr's main ingredient is salt.

>>16201522
lies

>>16199287
>Was he right about Michelin Stars?
Cute that he had that level of conviction after he got 3 stars. He only shit on the critics after sucking them off enough to get what he wanted. What a bad boy chef!

>>16199368
Imagine reading all this. Or typing it

>>16199353
White american urbanites are shit at cooking. Rural white american men are even worse unless the cooking involves a smoker, grill, or chilli.

>>16199347
The guy who taught Ramsay that the key to success was
>Outsource your catering
>Close your restaurant to make completely impractical and good looking dishes for tv reporters
>Act like a complete asshole to build a tv persona and let the people with talent actually do the day to day business running
>Charge out the ass prices for common dishes
>Constantly bemoan "celebrity" chefs for trying to establish a name while shameless cashing checks for Knorr

>>16201816
He never sucked up to anyone, unlike Gordon

>>16201904
He made every decision in his life for years to please strangers in hope of getting a reward. But ok

>>16201930
>forced by his father into shitty culinary world aka being dealt a shitty card in life
>makes the absolute best out of it, the simple perfection as his personality dictated

>that's somehow wrong
Okay zoomer

>>16201952
>>forced by his father into shitty culinary world
Its a pretty bitter story, props to Pierre white for turning out ok

knorr vs betterthanbuillon?

ive been to 3 michelin restaurants and i felt mcdonalds was better than all of them

>>16199287
french tire company

>>16199368
the entire point of 'being in the know' in that instance is abusing it to fleece those not 'in the know'. it's the culinary equivalent of freemasonry.

>>16201930
this post is based and hits me deep in my soul.

I love Michelin schizo conspiracy threads.
It’s apparently common knowledge that stars can be bought, or bartered for with political favors or child sex-slaves, because the Michelin-man is actually a representation of the devil who trades stars for souls.

Ironically, it’s all true.
>t. Michelin shill who is paid 6 figures to misinform angsty poorfag zoomers on a weeaboo site

>>16199353
If French people aren't white who the fuck is

No you were being judged by people that rightfully thought you were a drug addled quack. Pieces of shit like this couldn't even muster up a better dish than an average midwestern housewife if given the same budget. Mainly because they'd pass out due to opiates or steal your booze and run off within 10 minutes of not being supervised.

>>16203555
Except they actually gave him three stars so you know seems like you're an idiot

>>16201224
I worked at a multiple award winning place. Most of the reasons it won the awards were from adjustments made by people who have since been fired by the guy that thought seasoning meat was unhealthy and that a $14.99 black and decker shake machine and 20 dollar crockpot was all you needed for a successful business.

>>16203565
What's more midwestern housewife than a fucking tire?

>>16199287
This guy sounds like an insufferable twat

>>16199287
>spend time with my children
Probably wasn't worth it.

>>16201207
You sound like a white bitch

>>16199287
He was a pretty heavy smoker. Knowledge is no substitute for actually being able to taste the food.

>>16201224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t7JLjr1FxQ

>>16201855
Nigger, so called "Soul food" is literally appropriated White southerner food.

>>16203582
Repulsive beast

>>16199325
he did

>>16203921
no he chose option k

>>16201281
Beyond based

>>16203855
its the seasoned version of white southerner food

>>16204017
Yeah, seasoned salt lmao food is food, spice is spice, you're all niggers, everyone in both sides of this senseless argument

>>16201252
Good point

>>16199353
Do you seriously think that a master chef is in any way shape or form related to your average suburbanite mutt? Why do you fucking mutts always build an identity on something that you never did or participated in just because your skin color somehow resembles their's.

>>16199353
because most blackies only eat food cooked by white people when theyre in school or prison.

>>16201472
>Chicken Meat And Fat
>Spices
Thats why Knorr rules

>>16204221
Why do nigs think they're good at cooking, when their original homeland is fucking starving and they eat mud cakes?

>>16204303
oh my god is that really the reason? i just thought they made this shit up to continue being perpetually offended

>>16201952
>Muh zoomer
Except you lost the argument and move on.

>>16204340
Americans are garbage people, no matter whether theyre angl*s, kikes, germanoids, potato niggers, niggers, spics or what have you. You all deserve one another you fucking incel mutt.

>>16201252
Cooking is an art form.
Just because the piece of art is consumed at the end doesn't make it not art.
A one of a kind hand built firearm is an art piece, even thought its designed to be shot until all the parts are worn out and it becomes scrap.

>>16201440
>tattooed degenerate
>drunk
not based

>>16204798
No it's not, you're just softheaded.

>>16204829
His dad is a neurotic druggie faggot, what can you honestly expect? Trash breeds trash.

>>16204867
Art doesn't only exist in perpetuity.

>>16204894
Temporariness doesn't make something artistic either

>>16199353
>I was being judged by people who had less knowledge than me
OP answered your question

>>16204952
I never said it did.
But as stated, just because the artwork is consumed by the end, doesn't make it not art.

>>16199396
What's wrong with Knorr stock pots?

>>16204469
>I don't know how anyone can claim whites can't do [something], it's a white world we all live in. Everything ever done worthy of note, was done by Europeans.
Where?

My foodie ex was highly critical of the whole Michelin system, and completely ignored it.

>>16204798
The main distinction is that art is primarily about aesthetic when with food the artistry is of secondary concern compared to the taste and nutritional aspects of the dish. It's like with cars, styling is important to a lot of people but at its core a car is something that fulfills a purpose and it doesn't need to look good in order to do it, and a lot of people would rather drive a car that's ugly but well engineered than a good looking car that's kinda shit underneath.

>>16205214
And now she's getting plowed by everyone else, while you still think about her

>>16199287
Marco is a fag

>>16205734
not like ur getting any pussy either posting on this website, u fat autistic groid

>>16206140
Sure thing sport

>>16199347
Mark Peter Blanc

>>16201252
His point was that his food was art, but only 5% of people who ate at his restaurants would understand the work and complexity of it, and this applied to patrons and critics.

>>16200238
shut the fuck up

>>16204798
Cooking /can/ be an art form, as long its used as a medium to communicate something trough abstraction. It checks all off the boxes, I really dont see your point.

>>16199287
fag

It began with the forging of the Great Stocks. Three were given to the Bovril, oldest, simplest and meatiest of all pastes. Seven to the Bisto-Lords, great gravies and aahsmen of the luncheon halls. And nine, nine cubes were gifted to the race of Oxo, who above all else desire flavour. For within these stocks was bound the savoury and the salt to enrich each meal. But they were all of them deceived, for another stock was made. Deep in the land of Knorrdorr, on the Stoves of Chez Nico, the Dark Lord Marcon forged a master stock, and into this pot he poured his choice (there’s no real recipe), his gARRnish and his will to add olive oil to all dishes.
>>16201281
Kek

>>16199353
As an Englishman I think the uk is in large part to blame because a lot of British staples are fucking awful. I don’t mean “le bread sandwich” because I have never known a single person who has had one, but there are many issues with the ways most British people cook, boiling everything, applying little or no seasoning, and worst of all is the overuse of heinz baked beans, I’ve seen retards use Heinz beans on everything, not just the atrocity of beans on toast but combining it with almost any meal, at university I watched as a housemate used beans as a substitute for pasta sauce

>>16207610
beans actually sound like a decent base for a pasta sauce since english beans aint sweet like american ones right?

>>16207610
>atrocity of beans on toast
So you're trolling. K.

>>16207588
based

>>16201855
Alternative theory: you are a tastelet who was filtered.

>>16203577
Corn on the cob with a side of meth

LIL' BI' O' OLIVOI'

LI'L BI' O' OLIVOI'

Just like movie critics. You can discuss and debate; but -YOU- produce something better or fuck off, twat.

>>16207588
>>16208888
gets confirm greatness
also keking at knorrdorr

>>16209066
No need if I can just compare it to something better.

Mentioned it before but I worked for Marco for few years and I loved it..

>>16209269
Did he pound your BP?

>>16199353
the types of americans who say that kind of thing are low brow and poor. They don't know better and it's not like their opinions (or lives imo) matter.

>>16209066
classic stupid persons opinion. Critique and production are not the same thing and.

>>16209186
>>16209301
Let's say Predator with Arnie was out there, but then some pretentious nerd was like "I just didn't FEEEL the backstory of the characters--I mean, who IS the Predator really?" So you missed the point of the movie by intellectualizing it? Classic critic move--it's just a fun smashburger--it ain't the Deer Hunter you pretentious pricks--same with food

>>16209291
No
Marco loves the ladies and they love him too

>>16199353
because the idea of "white people" is an american concept, and american "white """""people"""""" cant cook

>>16199287

>>16205400
An ugly car is still a work of art, just a shitty one

>>16207588
>Deep in the land of Knorrdorr
Lmao

>>16207610
Don't like it, you know the door m8?

>>16207588
Add Bombadil to the film's if you like, or not it's your choice.

>>16199353
Because Marco is half Anglo and half Italian, so he's not white at all.

>>16209321
Not all movies are artistic (or art) and it's the same with food.
And then there are films who try to be and are shitty art, same with food.
I'm not >>16205400 by the way, I think his contention that everything is art, but most art is bad, is wrong.

>>16201856
Fuck off Ramsay, go cry in a corner again

>>16209358
Eurofags will be identifying as white as they get more enriched just like it happened to burgers. Oh, we're better than americans we can take in five hundred million syrians and retain our ethnic identities and everything will be the same as before. Wrong.

>>16199353
You are an Amerilard, aren't you?

>>16203407
I saw an anecdote by a rich guy who tried 2 different 2-star ones. He said the food was frequently oversalted and otherwise not that great, and all the money he paid basically went into sitting in a highly decorated restaurant interior for the atmosphere and experience, not the food. He regretted it and wished he skipped trying it since a simple can of Amy's lentil soup wouldve tasted better

>>16207610
I put baked beans onto hot buttered muffins.

>>16201226
MPW has 10 restaurants or so, and more than 50 franchises.

>>16207610
>beans on pasta
Isn't that pasta fazool? Or whatever those greasy wops call it?

>>16210805
Yes. Italians have pasta dishes with beans and with chickpeas as well. It's very good, but I doubt it would be very good with canned beans in tomato sauce, so I kinda get his point.

>>16199353
I blame english food.

>>16209796
>his contention that everything is art, but most art is bad, is wrong
That wasn't my argument though, I was more arguing that artistry in food, as in cars, only exists as a deliberate effort made by the creator. It's the difference between a Ferrari Testarossa and a Nissan Sentra, one's built with passion and heart whereas the other is just a product.

>>16209321
Then he's making the wrong comparison, duh. You still don't need to make films to have a valid opinion on them.

>>16203942
Option k was the best choice. Once he decided he didn't give a shit what people thought of him, all he had to do was spend a week doing photo and commercial shoots then spend the rest of the time doing what he wanted and collecting royalty checks.

>>16207588
5 star post my nigga knorrdorr lel

This argument is retarded. The only thing that makes something art is if enough people get together in one spot and agree that it's art. That's it. That's why you've got all those meme modern art pieces that are literally just toilet bowls and shit and are still accepted as art. People first started doing it to parody this exact attitude and show why it was stupid, but instead of learning their lesson the art community embraced this attitude wholeheartedly and now literally anything can be art.

>>16209269
why did you steal drywall from there? why is his name on it?

>>16199353
nobody says that

>>16211788
> "That's why you've got all those meme modern art pieces"
Nope, that shit exists to rip-off morons and to launder money. Modern art is trash and incomprehensible because it's easy to make "art" that fits a preconceived art market; read The Painted Word.

>Some people ask, how do you stop the cheerleader from screaming and alerting the cops or the neighbors when she's tied up in the trunk of your car?
>And it's simple; cut out her throat. No more screaming, and draining the blood will make the meat more tender when you cook her thighs later.
>But it's your choice, everyone's different. Some people like the screaming.
>It's all about cooking what you want to eat, not about a recipe.
>And the secret of course, to any good roasted cheerleader, is a Knorr™ pork stock cube. Better than salt.
Surprised they sponsored this one, to be honest

>>16213239
It was their choice really