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>>16142530
>They say alcohol is a depressant
Of the central nervous system.

>>16142530
Why would somebody who drinks casually ever quit cold turkey?

>>16142530
I can count on two hands the amount of times I drink alcohol per year and I am not happy at all.

>>16142530
>I have a hard time believing it
stop chugging paint thinner, buddy

having a healthy social life makes you happier

>>16142539
Well, by casually I mean like the average normalfag who gets smashed on the weekend with their friends.

>>16142530
>Does not drinking alcohol really make you happier? They say alcohol is a depressant, but I have a hard time believing it
The amount of single digit iq people here never stops surprising me.

>>16142575
autist misses the joke to feel smart

>>16142530
I drink on rare occasions usually to get rid of relatives. otherwise I find it rather meh. I've been buzzed, drunk, and even so drunk I blacked out.

never got in to it. and it taste nasty as well.

>>16142574
Cutting out drugs will always make you feel clearer. I do sober months every so often.

>>16142617
Do you find yourself feeling happier and more confident when you are sober? Do you ever think to stay sober for ever?

>>16142530
Every once in a while I go off booze for a few weeks, it's nice just the have some change in a few areas of your life going on and this can be a minor one, for me.

>>16142530
Depressant means retarding your central-nervous-system, not necessarily relating to mood.
However, yes, alcohol is a depressant, and the only direct effect of ethanol consumption is that CNS-depressive effect.

There is a complication here, though. That euphoric, stimulating, excitement is a CONDITIONED response that your body has to the-process-of-alcohol-absorbing-into-your-bloodstream. Due to its addictive nature and effect on your brain's reward-system, the ~15 minutes or so after consumption, where your blood-alcohol content rises, is experienced as this CNS-stimulant-esque effect. Over the next 45-60 minutes, your body will be under the influence experiencing the CNS-depressant effects, for as long as it takes your liver to process the ethanol out of the bloodstream.

This is a flimsy thread but I feel it's important to share all this information, because an ignorance of the basic-mechanisms of ethanol leads to young people getting themselves into very dangerous circumstances.

It's very important to understand this CNS distinction because that conditioned-response to a climbing BAC is the real thing that Alcoholics are hooked on. Besides just the chemical dependency, it's that "rush", and it's why they'll tell you "I can't start because after Just One, I can't stop, and One Hundred isn't enough". Because it's not the BEING drunk they love, it's the GETTING drunk. You see?

>>16142530
But you're not an ant, retard.

>>16142530
First few years are always great. The magic never comes back afterwords.

>>16142530
Well from what I remember when I was a 'casual' drinker.
My social life was much healthier, and it went hand in hand.
Then a series of shitty events happened and one day I just found myself in the back of my truck downing a bottle of wine on my lunch break and realizing I spent two or so years drinking uncontrollably. And I had a problem. Funny how that worked.

Life became a struggle to quit from there and it was shit. And once I did quit it made a world of a difference. Being sober is much better.

>>16142685
Interesting and very informative. I wish the webpages had concise information like this rather than just saying "it makes you feel bad"

>>16142707
But how does being sober now compare to when you were a casual drinker? Try not to let nostalgia skew your opinion.

I think being addicted to something makes you depressed and also affects your life negatively. If you really really like alcohol, the amount you'll naturally want to drink will be too much, and in that case it'll be way more of a pain to try moderating it than it would be to stop. Personally, I don't really like alcohol very much, I only drink socially a few times a month, maybe less than 10 beers per month. And I never feel inclined to drink more, I just have this amount without using willpower because I don't want any more. So for me it wouldn't make a difference if I quit or not.

>>16142685
Thanks for this response

how can a person consider themselves literate and have such a fundamental misunderstanding of what "Depressant" means? it really boggles my fucking mind and is rather common.

I would rather avoid drugs and alcohol altogether. I know too many people whose lives and families have been ruined by them, why would I start doing either when I'm already content with my life?

>>16142787
the number of ESLs will only increase as time goes on

>>16142787
Where you see ignorance, you can inform.

>>16142720
>But how does being sober now compare to when you were a casual drinker? Try not to let nostalgia skew your opinion.

That's the crazy part about when I was deep into alcoholism. I didn't know i had fallen into it. I thought I WAS a casual drinker. And I didn't realize all that time I was drinking a shit ton of booze.

Before that I can remember it was just weekend drinks at a bar or something with a few friends and it just made me a little more socially confident. That clearly didn't last very long tho.

>>16142530
>4 drinks per day

if you're a manlet maybe

>>16142530
>They say alcohol is a depressant
it's a nervous system depressant, which means that it slows and degrades functions of the nervous system. that term in that context nothing to do with clinical depression. Buy if you are clinically depressed probably don't drink anyway.

>>16142817
very good perspective on offer here, I appreciate you sharing your experience.

>>16142685
That actually makes a ton of sense. Getting drunk fast sucks ass and being drunk sucks too. Truly proving the point of beerchads

>>16142812
above poster already did, just wanted to express my disapproval

>>16142812
When you see it on 4chan, please mislead instead. Sow chaos at every opportunity, fren.

>>16142530
I’ve never touched alcohol in my life and I’m in my 20s and I’m still depressed

>>16142530
>four or fewer drinks per day
Alright, let me just pour 4 pints of whiskey so I stay under my limit.

>>16142530
>Has anyone had any experience with quitting alcohol?
Still haven't quit, but went from 50+ drinks a week to <10. It has made my life a lot better

>>16142530
I am an alcoholic and its the reason I've gotten laid and had girlfriends but it's also the reason I now can't go to social events without alcohol, have a resting heartrate of 100bpm, a beer belly and constant pain in my side

As long as ypu can keep it in moderation, drinking socially makes you happier because it’s such an easy way of having good time with other people.

>>16142530
This misogynistic image implies that womenfolk can't handle their liquor.
Have these people never seen Raiders of the Lost Ark?

>>16143026
>As long as ypu can keep it in moderation
Thats the catch though, the people that need it most are the people least likely to keep doing it sensibly

>>16143038
okay incel

>>16142685
Yeah i can be really drunk and still get that ”holy shit i’m sobering up i need to drink more in order to maintain my buzz!” feeling, leading to blacking out. But if i’m already well drunk, i will get the euphoric feeling in smaller doses for at least the next two hours if i don’t drink more. So i guess it’s all about resisting that initial feeling of drinking more, knowing it will go away after your neurosystem adjusts and it still has alcohol to go trough.

>>16142530
When I was a teenager I used to drink casually because it was fun. When I went to college I ghosted everyone from my high school and became a gymcel and upon hearing that alcohol killed your gains (also loaded in calories) I stopped drinking it. Wasn’t hard to quit and didn’t make me feel noticeably less or more happy.

Somehow it seems to me that someone drinking two drinks every day would have a drinking problem, or be extremely close to having one.

>>16142530
>alcohol is a depressant
Either ESL or stupid. Depressants don't make you depressed.

>>16143038
Just identify as a man when you drink lmao

>>16143147
american, right?

welp. i'm fucked.

I used to drink everyday, at least 500-750 mL of vodka or whiskey. Stopped cold turkey about 3 months ago. I sleep better and have more energy, plus I lost some weight, but I'm not sure if I feel happier.

I'm definitely more bored though. I don't crave being drunk, I just wish life without booze was more eventful. The things I used to do drunk are so much more mundane when sober.

I've been drinking in the morning for the past few years, get up around 7 and put some vodka in my orange juice, then have another one at about 8, then another before I walk to work. I dont even remember what made me start doing it but i literally cant see anything wrong with it, apart from the fact its made me get fatter.

>>16143288
slippery slope anon and it only gets worse unless you stop completely

>>16142530
>Does not drinking alcohol really make you happier?
Logic doesn't work in reverse in this case. Drinking relaxes, loosens inhibitions, but can cause poor sleep, and inflicts abuse at a certain level. Moderate alcohol can be cardioprotective, but can also affect nutritional needs, and a host of side effects for many people.

>They say alcohol is a depressant,
A CNS, central nervous system, depressant, which is not to say it depresses your mood in the moment of imbibing. But, a body constantly metabolizing alcohol is going to be depleted of something, from vitamin B, to anything from bile to hydration, so it's going to be rough on your system.

>but I have a hard time believing it fully and feel like it's just an easy thing for anti-alcohol groups to say.
The MAIN link to depression is that your sleep under the influence is lousy. You absolutely don't get prolonged REM wave sleep, but more like alpha-wave, and may rest fitfully and just not deep enough long enough for body repair. Rob your sleep enough for long enough, you can bet your brain chemistry is not making healthy amounts of serotonin.....and that's needed not to be depressed, or have other mood and energy issues. Sex life will suck without your good amounts of dopamine too.

>>16143288
I did this, too. this is what budding alcoholism looks like. you can say it's just to feel good or "why not", but if it's a coping strategy then you should admit it yourself sooner rather than later. if it's not coping, and literally just because you're bored/unfulfilled, that doesn't make it less dangerous.

you don't have to quit, but consider the fact that you are uneasy or uncertain enough about it to even make a post a warning signal. alcoholism has more to do with dependence on rather than strictly what volume you intake.

>>16143297
Ive been a lot worse in the past. Used to have bottles of gin in the filing cabinets at work so i could drink during the day as well. I was off sick one day (mad hangover) and my boss found the empties and left them on my desk. That was a few years ago and he's never mentioned it, but it shook me up enough to stop drinking at work.

>>16143288
ur fucked m8

>>16143328
It will inevitably get like that again and worse, at least for your body, unless you just cut it out

>>16142542
that's funny cause i can't count on two hands how many times i banged ur mum last week and i'm happy af

>>16143324
I know a handful of people who say they sleep much better after a few drinks than they normally do.

If alcohol didn't destroy my liver or any other important organs I'd just be drunk the whole day

>>16143343
>>16143325
Ive tried to quit many times but i can only make it to 1-2 weeks at best. I really really want a drink and hype it up in my mind, then eventually crack and have a drink. Then I feel disgusted with myself and start drinking again because why not, and the cycle repeats.

Typing this out has made it clear that I do have an issue though, it never sounded that bad in my head.

>>16143387
Kek I've always wanted to meet an unashamed alcoholic that only wishes they could drink more.

>>16143388
What does your drinking schedule look like after the first few drinks in the morning? Do you stop after that? Or are you drunk the whole day?

>>16142530
Depressant in that context means it depresses your central nervous system

>>16143388
Yeah your mind is kinda fucked dude due to addiction and dopamine related. Unironically look up some help. The fact that you can go a week means you are not too far gone. The trick is to realise that you will not benefit from drinking and there will be no release. Its just your brain trying to trick you into satisfying your addiction because it has become biologically programmed into needing it.

>>16143410
Oh yeah that's me big time. I'm just a pussy and scared of dying slowly from liver failure or whatever else horrible diseases alcoholism brings with it.

>>16142530
I used to drink around 20 drinks per day for over ten years and have successfully brought it down to 4 drinks per day for the last month. At the beginning of this year I switched to beer and began keeping a log of how many standard drinks I have per day, started drinking only after 6pm and have kept it to about 6 drinks per evening.

It feels great; I don't know how I did that for so long. Now I can go several nights without drinking and my mood is not really impacted. Next month I plan on only 4 drinks 4 days per week, and will keep lowering it every month. 2021 has been a good year so far, wish me luck for maintaining a more sober life.

>>16143451
That's pretty good. Did the 10 years of heavy drinking do any serious physical damage? You should probably get your liver get checked out

>>16143451
How do you stop drinking after the 4th? I get that you probably buy exactly 4 drinks, but there's always the option to go the store after those are finished. Just the thought of having no alcohol in the house after 4 drinks makes me so nervous that I wanna go to the store.

>>16143414
I don't drink at work anymore so I'm usually sober by lunchtime, but I drink when i get home until i go to bed. Probably drink about half a litre in the morning and evening combined.

>>16143429
I'm well aware that there's no point in drinking, but as soon as I want to drink I forget that fact. I should write it on the back of my hand or something.

>>16143492
>half a litre in the morning and evening combined.
That's not TOO bad. It's an interesting drinking schedule that you have. I'd get so fucking annoyed having to stop drinking halfway. I drink probably double your amount but its all in the evening.

>>16142530
Sometimes I need to reboot by getting stupidly wasted.

>>16143458
No obvious side effects other than elevated liver enzymes and elevated BP, which has come down drastically. I functioned well the entire time too, so I guess it's just luck and Irish/Russian genetics.

>>16143468
Benadryl at first. I'd take 25-50mg after the second drink and then just drink seltzer waters until tired. It took a lot of willpower to get down to 4 drinks, but now I exercise and only occasionally use Benadryl to help sleep. For the last 2 months I have only been buying cases of 24 5% beers and just stopping after the last beer that I allow myself. There have been some slip ups, but I'm on the right track.

After so long of heavy drinking, it just isn't fun anymore. Well, I enjoy drinking, but I remind myself of how shit it feels to be drunk all the time, so I'm starting to feel content after 4 drinks.

>>16143512
I think it's just the routine that I enjoy, and it's nice to start the day feeling good. I drank a lot more when I was depressed because it was the only way to feel any kind of happiness, and now that I'm mostly ok I've still got the same habit. Instead of drinking to go from bad to ok, I drink to go from ok to better.

I couldn't deal with doing all my drinking in the evening, it messed with my sleep too much. I'd wake up really sweaty at 3am and couldn't sleep unless I had another drink.

>>16142530
few times I've done it I have laughed very hard and then cried very hard the next second. It's different for everyone, but also the same in may ways.

>>16142530
My personally experience:

I was 100% sober up until age 24.
I started drinking occasionally thereafter.
From age 29-32 I would drink pretty heavily for 4-6 months (4-6x/week enough to get a regular person drunk) then I would quit drinking for about 6 months. At my worst point I had about 4 days of noticeable physical withdrawal symptoms when I stopped drinking.
I'm 33 now, drinking more moderately but kinda in 1 month intervals of heavier drinking split by a month of light/no drinking.

I would say mentally and physically, no alcohol is best.
Mild or modest alcohol consumption, like getting drunk every 2 weeks or less, or having a small amount of alcohol regularly (like a beer a day - not enough to get drunk) seems to be more harmful physically than it is mentally.
High alcohol consumption the negatives become clearly obvious, physically and mentally.

One of the key things I noticed is that if I drink little/rarely, then when I do get noticeably drunk (after about 0.5-1L of beer) it tends to be a very happy/fun drunk.
When I drink regularly or more heavily, then when I do get noticeably drunk (after about 3-4L of beer) it tends to be a grouchy/depressive drunk.

Basically I've learned that if I am getting grouchy/depressive drunk, then it's time for me to cut back on alcohol for a while to lose my tolerance. At this stage of my life I actually don't really want to get drunk anymore, the problem now is that I have developed a taste for some beers, red wine, and gin & tonic, so I want to drink those things in large quantities even though I don't want to get fucked by the alcohol, and non-alcoholic versions don't have the same taste.

8 months sober

was alot happier drinking. not having to think about my shitty life every waking moment was something I miss

>>16143873
Oh, and a very specific answer to the OP question: when comparing sobriety to mild/occassional drinking, I have not noticed any change in my moods from the aclohol. I only notice a difference with more regular / heavier drinking.

>>16143873
>One of the key things I noticed is that if I drink little/rarely, then when I do get noticeably drunk (after about 0.5-1L of beer) it tends to be a very happy/fun drunk.
>When I drink regularly or more heavily, then when I do get noticeably drunk (after about 3-4L of beer) it tends to be a grouchy/depressive drunk.
That's very interesting because really recognize that. I'm usually happier overall when I don't drink for longer periods of time, I just get so incredibily bored that it makes me depressed.

>>16143882
So why stop?

I've never been happy

>>16142787
i had a therapist who told me that i needed to stop drinking because alcohol makes you depressed because it's a depressant. she also claimed marijuana kills brain cells and sadness is just anger turned inside out

>>16143955
>depressant
that's hilarious, imagine having a "therapist" that failed hs health class. depressant is a definition that relates to your nervous system.

>>16143955
Did you correct her?

>>16143988
yes. she told me i was wrong

>>16142530
I can down a whole bottle of fireball in two pulls. Ama

>>16144028
You did whip out your phone and threaten to show her PubMed right?
Never give people an inch or they'll take a mile and never, ever listen to someone dumber than you on literally anything

>>16142564
Yep, this is the key. Booze is just the lubricant. It's the same reason that if you drink alone you get more depressed.

>>16142996
you're a snake to be trampled upon, but it's good to know people out there really do go about willfully spiting the righteous.

>>16142530
>Does not drinking alcohol really make you happier?

No dipshit, it makes you not less happier. Not drinking alcohol is the baseline, it can't make you happier than default.

>>16143059
that's the reason why they say, colloquially "one drink makes you drunk", the more clinical way to say it is that, factually indeed, one drink does impair judgment. It's amazing how much of zero-drinks-you's plans go straight out the window when one-drink-you is in charge.
>>16143059
>>16143059

>>16142538
fpbp OP is a fucking retard

>>16142542
have you tried drinking more?

>>16142685
you just gotta stay in the pocket randers

>>16145023

>>16145075

nothing wrong with a couple of drinks desu, i drink 1-3 liters of beer every day and im a functional member of society

>>16142530
Haven't drank alcohol in 3 weeks for no real reason and feel fantastic. Used to drink every 2 days or so. Working out in general just feels nicer too

Key is to just not have any in the house desu. Or at least not any you like

>>16145023
You have to be >18 to post on 4chan

>>16142530
>Does not drinking alcohol really make you happier?
I literally never got drunk in my life and only drink 1 beer during new years eve and my life is fucking miserable, this shit is a lie

>>16142538
Based retard

>>16145096
>a couple of drinks
>i drink 1-3 liters of beer every day
one of these things is not like the other...

>>16145115
>I literally never got drunk in my life
what a pathetic life jesus christ.

ive been sober for like a week and i feel great
theres active happiness like eating a chocolate cake or having a drink and it makes you feel good
and then theres passive happiness which isnt blissful but more of a sustained feeling of wellness and energy

I'm a weekend warrior, I might have one beer during the week but Friday/Saturday is outrageous amounts of binge drinking. I do notice that I pick up a lot of momentum during the week and generally in a great mood by Friday, where Sunday-Tuesday I'm quite dull. Just keep repeating the cycle.

>>16145115
>I literally never got drunk in my life
You call your pathetic continued existence a life? Fucking hell man, live a little.

>>16142530
I've found that alcohol affects everyone differently. You tend to slip into a certain state of mind. You stop overthinking and start acting more on instinct and feelings. People dance, sing, cry, stuff their face with food, become enraged and start picking fights, driven almost blind by lust and a desire of intimacy, suddenly turn into kleptomaniacs, inventors or philosophers. I've had friends who become entirely different people after enough of drinks.
You see it all on a night out, every walk of life out there. I think everyone has a personal, unique and complex relationship with alcohol.

>>16142685
no
alc triggers dopamine and euphoria, in conjunction with lowering inhibitions and numbing discomforts - its not conditioning - this is why we have jim morrisson and why the music of the doors exists.

thats what we seek and hunt - but addiction isnt the seeking, its literally a series of pains and anxieties triggered by the body/brain not have a substance its has grown accustomed to having at a certain level/regularity, and as that pattern is dug into our lizard brain reward system is super hard to clean it up.

>>16143377
prolonged regular nightly habitual drinking will rob you of sleep - all your sleep time will be your body dealing with the booze and not repairing itself

>>16144036
based

>>16142530
>mfw another person thinks depressants literally make you depressed
>mfw no face
Depressant just means it depresses motor function. Yes it can make you feel like shit but that's because it's literally a toxin and replaces actual hobbies
If it's having an adverse effect on your life cut down, if not don't
If you're drinking a few times a week it could do you good to cut back for your physical health which is the biggest factor in mental health.

>>16142530
the main thing I noticed the few times I quit alcohol was just suddenly how much more energy you have.
but unfortunately, especially in the country i'm from you have no choice but to be a daily drinker or you'll basically be left behind in society.
Alcohol is a social lubricant here, and if you dont drink you literally get left out.

>>16145652
Cunt? Have the same here except it's also really frowned upon drinking outside of social events.

Once you realize how easy and fun it is to be drunk at work there's no going back

>>16145730
dont drink at work
take a breather anon, ok?

Been drinking regularly since youth with half to a full bottle of wine every day for 10 years. Liked the taste and the calming effect. At 30 I was at my lowest and realized something has to change. Took me a year to lower the amount of alcohol but couldn't kick it off completely. Then went to a therapist and after some tests and yadayada I've been diagnosed with ADHD and was put on ritalin. It destroyed my urge to drink completely. Now I've been sober for three years and feeling awesome.

Tl;dr ask yourself why you're drinking and change the underlying cause of your abuse

Why do women have to drink less?

>>16145818
Less fat/muscle to absorb alcohol.

>>16145824
I thought women had more body fat statistically?
Would this mean a 5'3 man would likely have to drink less?
Asking for a friend

>>16145809
you mean consider what and why i use?
dont project your abuse on me bro

>>16145832
>bro
I'm not black.

>>16145826
Fat is much less efficient at it than muscle, but it's better than just skin and bones. Assuming the three are the same height, a strongman would outdrink a fat man, and the fat man would outdrink the skeletor.
>Would this mean a 5'3 man would likely have to drink less?
As long as he weighs less than his buddies and doesn't have much more muscle than fat; yes.

>>16145652
>especially in the country i'm from
What the fuck is the hang up about not telling what country you live in but talking about America all fucking day long? It's not like I can't find Yugoslavia on a map.

>>16142530
as long as i drink every other day i feel amazing

>>16143328

fuck i would kill to have a job where I wouldn't be instantly shit-canned on the spot and probably arrested and banned from the premises for doing something like that. I don't drink , but the idea that some people have such a secure job that something like that could happen is a little sickening

>>16143005
I started in my late 20s, you still have time

>>16145667
Australia
you're expected to drink at any and all social events, but you're also expected to have at least a 6 pack a night after work or you're considered a fucking fag and not to be trusted.

sucks but it is what it is

>>16143288
>i literally cant see anything wrong with it

>>16143953
me neither.

>>16145854
Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore.

>>16145841
well, youre an idiot cunt to be sure

>>16145948
It's only because I bring in a lot of business. I have a good reputation with the local west Indian community and they'd follow me if I left, which is what happened when I left my old job to start this one.

>>16145113
i doubt if literally anyone born after the year 2000 even knows about tpb you little queer

>>16142530
I'm 28 and never drank in my life, my mood is fine and the only bad feels in my life come from having zero social life.

I stopped drinking and I'm happier, but I would drink to utilize what it did to me: that is to say, usually get drunk and not be conscious/lucid of the time passing.
I'm still not really happy though, all it did is just leave me aware of the time I'm spending, now incredibly unhappy and upset. But I guess it's better than being drunk.

Or maybe not, honestly, having the time pass in a blink was pretty nice cause I could go to work, come home, fall asleep, wake up, and do it again, instead of now where I'm up till 4 AM because I just don't really sleep

Since my ex fiance dumped me last September, I've drank at a minimum 12 drinks a night EVERY night besides 2 nights. Sometimes up to 28. AMA

>>16147845
Imagine the vinegary shits

>>16147845
How long were you together? Why did she leave you?

>>16147945

It's bad brother. Have slightly sharted myself multiple times

>>16147978
5 years
She left me for someone she cheated on me with and she admittedd to it
Blessing in disguise, she was a functional meth addict who was going nowhere in life. She had a kid from the previous relationship to me and smoked meth 2 days prior to giving birth and CPS rewarded custody to the father

>>16145163
>>16145461
You're like twitter with this bucket crabs mentality

>>16147998
move along lowlife

>>16148013

I really should. I have severe depression Al bipolar disorder so it's a little tough

>>16147998
>turning into an alcoholic husk over this

holy dilate.

>>16142530
Drinking alcohol makes you happier, until it doesn't. You stop drinking when it no longer makes you happy.

>>16145809
>sober for 3 years
>takes speed every day

>>16142685
"Because it's not the BEING drunk they love, it's the GETTING drunk". This line is me in a nutshell.
You nailed what my mind has been orbiting around for the last year or so trying to formulate. Thank you

>>16142530
I've been straight-edge, no drugs or alcohol my whole life.
It was a lie, it's all lies. I feel just as fucking awful as I imagined some washed-up alckie would feel. By the time I was 27 I had ED and couldn't feel excitement anymore. Can't feel anger, can't feel victory, nor fear, nor arousal.
I dedicated my life to not being some addict with a non-functional brain, but it happened to me anyway, without drugs or alcohol.

>>16142530
you're too young and/or not alcoholic enough to really feel it, but once you're a daily handle boomer every morning comes with absolute despair and lack of energy/will to do anything.

it's so extreme you can definitely tell it's the chemicals doing it. young people won't really notice much, i didn't, but it probably takes long term abuse for it to become pathological tier. but even then, it's gotta be bad for their mental health if only slightly.

>>16142685
Nah, senpai, being drunk is what I love. I slow down my drinking the drunker I get because I do not like being so shitfaced that I cannot do anything, but I am fine being drunk enough to feel like a happy idiot.

What I hate is the hangover and diarrhea. Thing is that it takes A LOT for me to get hungover, and the diarrhea can be solved by drinking Metamucil every morning. I would've quit drinking ages ago if I got hangovers like normies do.

>>16142530
vices end up making you less happy in the long run since you lower your baseline contentment

>>16142685
It's important to also note the metabolites of alcohol from the liver as well. Really the only one is acetaldehyde, which (in addition to dehydration and poor sleep) is the driving force of a hangover. Even if you don't drink to complete inebriation, any amount of acetaldehyde in your blood will lead to feeling poor physically, which in turn leads to feeling poor emotionally. Ethanol is categorically a toxin to humans, and physical wellbeing is inseparable from emotional wellbeing. Think about all the people who binge on the holidays and spend january sober and wont shut up about how good they feel. It's really just the fact that they're no longer existing with a constant level of poison in their blood. But everything this anon above said is truth

>>16143377
It the alcohol impairing their frontal cortex, disrupting the thought loops they usually have before falling asleep. Good podcasts are better in that regard.

>>16148093
That's just what being alive feels like

>>16148169
Also, I didn't read far enough to see if anyone's said this yet, but if you're planning on a big night of boozin, keep a bottle of pedialyte in the fridge (or any electrolyte drink that doesn't have fructose syrup). If you drink like a half bottle before bed, it'll stave off a lot of the dehydration effects and you might even get a better sleep. You can also drink it in the morning, but if you take it before bed you'll wake up clearer. And always follow with a glass of water. Dehydration does a number on a man's mind.

What a nice alt-al/ck/ thread

>>16144034
Why not get something less nasty

>>16146043
Why not just lie

I’m an alcoholic who has been sober now 3 weeks. The biggest change (besides not being hungover/sick/drunk) is a lot less anxiety/panic.

>>16148080
Try uppers

>>16148080
>posts on a pornography website
>”how did I get ED”
how do you think, retard.

>>16148909
Do you have ED too?

I refuse to believe 4 drinks a night is healthy. It just seems too good to be true, like some boomer made it up to justify the precise amount of alcohol he drinks so he doesn't feel bad about it. It seems obvious to me that the only healthy amount of alcohol intake is a few drinks every handful of weeks or months, and that any amount of daily or near daily alcohol consumption is patently unhealthy.

>>16149812
There's growing evidence that shows any alcohol consumption is bad for you, for multiple reasons. Glad I never had a taste for it.

>>16149812
yes. this one drink is plenty

>>16149812
4 drinks isn't a lot of alcohol at all. One drink is 1.5oz of hard liquor. When I mix my own drinks I put in at least 4oz of liquor in it.

>>16142530
In Denmark the recommendation is 21 and 14 for men and women respectively. I'll let you figure out the implications yourself.

>>16142530
Depressant!=depression inducer you fucking mong. It’s a CNS depressant and that’s a fact

>>16145818
Slower metabolism of alcohol

I live in Japan, alcohol laws are much more relaxed than my home country. For a while I was drinking a few beers or strong zeros after work everyday. Before i had a rule where I'd only drink on fridays and saturdays. But it's so easy to walk by a conbini here and think ahh fuck it few beers won't hurt.

I've gone back to my previous rule now. The temptation is still there, but waking up with no hangover and the satisfaction of waiting til friday is worth it.

Its saturday morning here now. I'm about to head to the supermarket to get some things for breakfast and a beer for the walk home ;)

>>16142530
>Does not drinking alcohol really make you happier
No, but drinking it won't automatically make you happier either.

>>16142539
I did this. Casual drinker (beer a week) who cut all alcohol three years ago. Why? An autistic drive to eliminate a class of substance I dont really care about. Still use tobacco. That and coffee are my vices. Feels good

>>16142530
>Does not drinking alcohol really make you happier?

No. Consider the fact that humans CANNOT have sex without being drunk. Sex is a proven source of serotonine and dopamine, the chemicals that make you happy. While alcohol directly might not give you the hit you need, lack of it results in celibacy.

>>16150411
>Consider the fact that humans CANNOT have sex without being drunk.
I have found the opposite to be true.

>>16143044
I cant see myself drinking so often, its really not fun when you're sitting there by yourself. It's like it flips a switch and makes me really extroverted, i'll feel like shit if im not talking with someone

>>16142538
Good, die fucker

>>16142538
fpbp

Anytime I stop drinking for a while I feel more clear headed and a little calmer, but also a lot more bored. I drink a few beers most days and more on the weekends, rarely get really drunk. Occasionally I'll have a period of frequent day drinking and hard drinking weekends.
Alcohol just makes life more bearable and gives you a simple anchor. I can do without it but I prefer to have it.

>>16150411
>Consider the fact that humans CANNOT have sex without being drunk.
Troll or virgin? Only Allah knows

>>16149812

>I refuse to believe 4 drinks a night is healthy

That's absolutely nothing you weak fuck. Our medieval peasant ancestors literally drank up to a gallon a day of beer. Just stop being a fucking pussy ngmi

>>16151132
>medieval peasants were healthy
Huh?

>>16142530
being a "depressant" doesn't mean "alcohol makes you depressed" OP.

which it does though

I drink like 15 beers a day, am I gonna make it? I could switch to liquor and prolly get the deed done in 6-8. Preferably live til 70.

>>16150399
you smoke?
good fucking lord man

>>16151892
I was you for a long time. I switched to wine a month or so ago and lost 15 pounds. still feel like shit from being an alcoholic but I look better

>>16149812
I agree. I heard in a podcast about alcohol addiction that a minimal risk consumption was no more than:
>10 standard drinks a week
>2 standard drinks a day
>6 drinking days a week
i.e. not even 2 drinks a day and not everyday and you're (mostly) safe.

>>16142685
LMAO, just drink water, get some sun and workout

I would drink 3 liters of beer a day but then one day I saw myself in the mirror and was revolted that I had became like a fat neckbeard slob and stopped.

>>16146043
You are expected to drink at all social events but you're not expected to drink every night in your own home, christ who the fuck do you associate with? Is this some fucking tradie thing or something? Stop being a dumb cunt and stick up for yourself

>>16147998
good riddance mate. time to move on from that degenerate.

>>16150269
Fuck Strong Zero is the best shit. Strolling past a Family Mart or Lawson at 8:30am on your way to sightsee, picking up a can and draining it as you walk.

>>16142530
>depressant = makes you depressed
How did this get any replies?

>>16144053
>It's the same reason that if you drink alone you get more depressed.

Doesn't make me more depressed. I just enjoy things more if I'm alone. Have more fun watching movies, listening to music, playing games. Can have a great time by myself with booze. Usually my mind is constantly racing and I'm worrying about shit, but alcohol turns it off or down a little.

>>16142530
I'm a casual drinker who drinks a Cuba libre once or three times a month

I see no reason why I would want to drink more, can't even drink for the rum without mixing it with a cola

>>16152571
this. started becoming skinnyfat because of daily beer consumption and static wagecucking, the worst type of body really. Switched to never drinking alone and I try to stick to medium high quality liquor or dry wines in social situations. Its incredibly easy to reverse the process as a man, fortunately. Women have a thougher time at this because of fat distribution.

>>16152807
>a great time
>by myself
>with booze

>>16153879
Not everyone turns into a sad sack of shit like you when they drink alone, believe it or not.

>>16153976
I'd just not call drinking alone "a great time by myself" because I find this activity despicable and I wanted to make fun about the booze 'company'. But yeah, you probably were a sad sack of shit beforehand.

These alcoholism threads have really helped me manage my alcoholism and reduce the level I abuse the substance. Thanks fellas

>>16150399
You're like me. I can't let tobacco go. it's like a spiritual vice for me. The native americans were actually on to something.

>>16152807
I was the same way but somewhere in the late 20's it becomes a major especially once you start believing you feel "better" after drinking

>>16152807
I was the same way but somewhere in the late 20's it becomes a major habit. especially once you start believing you feel "better" after drinking

>>16142530
I don't like the fact that being an adult and hanging out with a group always means drinking. It seems so superficial like we're all still mentally 16 drinking to feel grown up even in our late 20's and 30's.

>>16142685
>Because it's not the BEING drunk they love, it's the GETTING drunk
Theres truth in this. But being drunk in the right circumstances is fun too. You just have to be able to stop and enjoy the drunk. People are really bad at this though. The tendency is to believe if you stop drinking then you wont be drunk anymore and youll stop having fun

>>16142530
Unless you're in college or drinking a couple glasses of wine "a few times a week", you're a heavy drinker if you regularly drink "a few times a week", not a "casual" drinker. Aside from what everyone else has said about the 'depressant' thing, binge drinking a few times a week can have some shitty results including but not limited to:
>premature aging
>rebound anxiety (drinking fucks up your GABA regulation) and depression (yes "depressant" doesn't mean that it causes depression, but booze worsens any underlying mental health problems and can make people feel depressed, lethargic, etc.)
>neurotoxicity
>weight gain
>poor performance due to hangover
>sleep issues
>risk of becoming a full-blown alcoholic when you hit a rough patch
>regret from whatever dumb shit you did while drinking
and it gets worse as you get older. If you can stick to drinking on social occasions or having a couple drinks a couple nights a week then you're fine, but if you're binge drinking a few nights a week then you're at risk of lowering your quality of life.
t. borderline alcoholic-turned-weekend warrior

>>16142530
What if I don't drink at all 6 days of the week and get absolutely hammered on the one day I do?

Sober or drunk my level of happiness remains the same. I drink to be happy but then I over do it and black out, then I become an agitator and ruin the night and have to face backlash because I like to piss people off

I do you feel depressed the next day after drinking? If not, there's not a problem. If you find yourself getting depressed, as time goes on, it's likely the alcohol withdrawal that is sapping serotonin, causing depressed feeling