/ck/ - Food & Cooking

because they love their food. Good for them

>>16135094
is this pasta? ;;;;)

>>16135094
btw i am also pretty envious since my homelands cooking is for someone working the fields or logging 12 hours straight, which makes most of really incompatible with modern lifestyle.
I am glad you dont have problems with inovation, since as far as i know, old recipes are old because they are bad. I ve read through local cookbook from 1830 and most of the foods are either disgusting, weird or have some weird parts you cannot get these days (like cryfish or small birds).
Also italian cuisine seems to be extremely dependant on good ingreedients, which can be a problem for many. I never understood the bread+oil until i tasted high quality oil.

>>16135094
cultural divides on the importance of food are also present in the usa despite our assimilation. my mother is new york sicilian, my father is a wasp.

My paternal grandmother always buys shitty, off-brand food or neon gimmicky limited edition shit, or puts onions in mac & cheese or tries to make some casserole. Her justifications for all of these are that it's easier/cheaper. Yet this family has always had more money than my moms side, so ethnic background is the only explanation i can think of. Her cooking is not that good. She doesn't eat seasoning because "too much salt". Whenever we have leftover ham she makes ham salad instead of something decent or just reheating it.

My mother never had money, but is an amazing cook and good food was just part of the community and the culture and I know American Jews are the same way.

My personal outlook is that food is an absolute joy and we can do so much with it. I agree with OP that it's history and nourishment and such a big part of our lives that if you're going to splurge on something, or learn to do something very well, learning good food is absolutely valuable. i love to cook for my grandparents now

>>16135123
sounds like your paternal grandmother could have been one of the first "modern women". Does she have a degree?

>>16135143
non, she did retail work til 65 and before that, worked little jobs that shit quit within a month or stayed home/babysat

Gramps can cook better than she can, he cooked on a navy ship and just enjoys cooking.

The best thing with my grandmother is wine lmao. As a kid I'd talk about my week with my mom and how we went to my nonna's and had wine with dinner etc and this grandmother would always be like

"ech i don't like wine." The only shit she drinks is $5 arbor mist or white wine, in the fridge, over ice lmao. i love her regardless but it's like our brains are wired in reverse bro

>>16135165
>"ech i don't like wine."
i have met like three women who were able to apreciate red beyond sweet/not sweet. Rest of them would pour orange juice into it.
The paternal GM is interesting. I dont know a single grandmother that cannot cook, but i am from eastern europe, so it might be that cultural influence

>>16135094
This better be bait you pompous assclown

>>16135094
They just love food. It's that simple.
When food is present as well it means social time for the most part. Which they also love.

>>16135195
I know it's hard to understand when a Big Mac is the maximum culinary expression of your national identity, but I'm serious

>>16135094
When the recipe's right there in the name (e.g. cacio e pepe) I can see some mild irritation after the third time saying "That's not what that means," but when the spirit of a particular dish was using what's available, and someone on the other side of the ocean doesn't have access to cheek bacon or some such, but makes something as close as they can to the original - if it comes from a place born of love or homesickness - I don't see the point in being upset. Maybe offer a correction if you think it's necessary, but sperging out over it isn't going to do anything but expend energy if it's impossible to make the dish properly elsewhere.

>>16135094
italians bastardize the cuisines of other countries. Fuck them.

>>16135094
I make carbonara with onions and white wine, no dirty apron so I guess I disrespected your gastronomy and yes I don't care.

question italybros. i would like to buy a parmagnane cheese. How long does it last in the fridge?

>>16135123
The ability to understand cooking is mostly born out of practice or training. It might seem ironic, but you get the best of both worlds when you learn from someone who always had to stretch out every bit of food.

>>16135094
It's not just Italians and it's not just food, people in general get mad over trivial matters now, it's an issue with modern society and the lack of control that people have in their day to day lives and their inability to express their innate instincts and emotions like anger, frustration and resentment, therefore their only coping mechanism is to latch onto insignificant things and deem them as important, so that they have something to be expressive about and to fight over.

>>16135231
Well, I guess it's time for you to feel insulted then. The Shepherds(sic) of Rome? You are so fucking full of shit, you can't contain it obviously. And in the end it not even about the love of good food, it's nothing but cheap I'm-better-than-you delusions. Go drown yourself in some of that mediocre Italian wine dumbass.

>>16135261
Pre-grated cheese doesn't last much, something like two weeks after the package is opened, while whole blocks can last much longer, and even if they start to get moldy you can cut a thick slice off and use the rest
If it's also vacuum sealed it can last over 6 months

>>16135240
I'm not talking about finding substitutions for hard to source ingredients, I have used pancetta instead of guanciale plenty of times for example
I'm talking about abominations such as cream, prosciutto and peas in "carbonara"

>>16135298
You don't need to 'thus' shepherd. That's the English word for a herder of sheep. Names like Sheppard are usually variations born of misspellings.

>>16135094
tl;dr I still will make my Carbonara with peas and cream

>>16135331
If they don't want to come up with a different name for it, there's not much you can really do. Maybe suggest a different name, see if it catches on.

>>16135323
ty, i was aiming for around 1kg block. So it should work fine

>>16135143
I don't think it has something to do with being a modern woman but being a woman. Women can't cook and the only reason you like your mother's food is because of nostalgia. Every woman I met can't even get the most basic things right.

>>16135348
Meet better women - maybe find one who hasn't been pampered her whole life. I'm a better cook than my girlfriend, and I enjoy cooking (after a decade in a kitchen, being able to cook my own food at my own pace feels like a vacation), but I still tell her it's her turn to cook, or that I "need help" a few times a week, so that she doesn't get rusty or lazy.

>>16135348
women can cook. Idk about restaurant tier but definetly homecooking. And my grandmother is capable of stuff i can only dream of, like complete deboning of chicken, duck and pigeon and creating one cocatrice roll out of them. She is also very good baker and pastry chef

>>16135269
desu I understand why Italians get mad about food. In Germany, food has historically been something very pragmatic. People didn't eat to enjoy or socialize. Until recently, the rule at German dining tables was that you didn't speak during the meal. In countries like Turkey, Italy or France, eating has been a big part of everyday life. People didn't just eat for energy, they ate to socialize and food became a big part of their cultural identity.

>>16135363
Plenty of women can cook. My sous of the past five years is a woman. When we can finally open the restaurant back up, I'm giving control of the kitchen to her - she's got better instincts than I do for timing, seasoning, plating and staff management.

>>16135371
i can believe that, as i said i do not know since i am not profesional, so my only experience with women cooking is those in my life

>>16135373
Sorry, I'm taking care of inventory while I'm typing here - I kind of lose control of the English language sometimes when I add math into the equation. I was just trying to say that as far as restaurants are concerned, it's definitely not just a man's game anymore.

>>16135391
no worries anon, i should have been clearer

>>16135094
Shut the fuck up you ugly greasy fucking wop, food and cooking are the most subjective topics in existence, nobody cares about your nigger culture or traditions, you are a laughing stock of the entire world, go have some more noodles you stole from China.

italy has the most accessible food "culture", in that it's quintessential poverty food with only cheap ingredients that are barely touched upon, so that even the most retarded inbred italian farmer can master it (and take pride in it as if cooking pasta is some impressive skill lmao!). cheap ingredients, for cheap people (italians are notoriously stingy). As such, and because italians fled their failed country en masse, it is indeed correct to say that italian cuisine transcends all geographical and cultural barriers, just like poverty and aids, two other things italy is known for.
French Haute Cuisine, on the other hand, is exclusive: it asks for the best ingredients, the best cooks, the best savoir-faire. Not everyone can prepare a satisfactory french dish, and fewer still can do it right. Those that can spent years honing their skills under ruthless masters, because such is the price of perfection. It is a sophisticated food, for sophisticated people. It requires a delicate palate to properly experience it's subtilities and charm, to appreciate it's genius and elegance. Peasants can't begin to imgagine such things, and that's perfectly fine: it is not meant for them

>>16135095
Yeah, Italian food is so good, you can taste the passion. My favorite dishes are

meetotini
macciocini
scallapio uchipipi
dupio di pucci
carmak doogi
gochapido
argibopata scusa crapio
laklak arccibibi

MAMA MIA THEY-A OVERCOOKA DI BASTA, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO USE BAGGOGLIO ASSFUCKIANO WINE WITH THIS BASTA MAMA MIA

>>16135437
extremely semitic. Are you per chance sitting in a rocket shelter?

>>16135094
It's all they have bro besides cool organized crime shows like gomorrah.

>>16135261
Whatever you do, don't buy pre-shredded bullshit

It's just culinary colonialism. You Italian fucks invaded and enslaved most of Europe, North Africa and the Middle East, putting us through untold imperialist and colonial misery, and now you dare to get angry at us for cooking fucking pasta slightly different?

>>16136427
one would assume over a millenium would be enough time for you to get the fuck over that
are you mad that grugg tribe killed your ancestor from grogg tribe with a rock 10,000 years ago

>>16136439
Yes I am. FUCK GRUGG TRIBE.

>>16135448
carbon flappin?

>>16135094
Cuisine is extremely malleable you ultrafaggot, most modern cuisine is barely 200 years old and romans would laugh at what you call "carbonara"

>>16135240
based and reasonable post

>>16135348
>>16135360
I can cook delicious basic things like salmon, burgers, eggs, pancakes, rice, beans, pasta + sauce, etc but because my parents were chefs and that i had to live without a kitchen for several years I haven't been able to practice the more complex meals and baking. Currently practicing, but you guys should give more women a chance before you shrug them off as non-cooks. You can tell if someone has the drive and potential to regularly cook by how they approach food, and whether they apply shortcuts or pay attention to the small details in recipes.

I know I enjoy cooking even though I make mistakes on my first few attempts or it takes a chunk out of my day just to get ruined later because I made a storage error I probably should've known.

>>16137066
A lot of food made 200 years ago is simply a waste of time to make today or inefficient.

>>16137066
Some Italian recipes are literally attested in the 1500s and made the exact same way to this day
Also I didn't mean *ancient* Romans you twat, I meant it as "shepherds from Rome"

>>16135437
What's up rabbi?

>>16137098
L O N D O N

>>16135094
It's just food. The history can be interesting but there's no need to get so autistic about it. The recipes are just what they had to deal with back in the day. You make it sound almost religious, which is disgusting.

>>16135094
Italians get mad about food because it's the only thing they've ever done that people liked and they cling to that like children

>>16137098
Breh, I cook better than my girlfriend because I'm the head chef at what was a reasonably high volume little trattoria - now it's takeout only and... honestly, I leave my sous (also a woman) in charge every other day to save costs - she crushes it. My girlfriend can cook, and now that I'm home more often, I make sure she does. If you let the blades get dull, it takes a while to get them sharp again, ya know?

>>16137282
the underages seem to like their statues and their quotes about manliness

>>16137282
>>16137350
Some folks like their approach to organizing criminal activities.

this is some real turbofaggot blog posting. italians get mad about food because they are low iq insecure faggots. it's not any more complicated than that.

>>16137397
>t. Low IQ, insecure faggot.

>>16137413
>NO U
>t. assblasted shitalian

>>16135094
maybe read this comment section >>16136536
apparently it's got some intel on raging italians >>16136601

i feel its more of an international identity thing - italians in the US more than the ones in italy feeling that they're loosing their culture to a wider mix of people and cultures >>>/pol/

>but muh italyness

i figure just cook the way you want if you're ready to also eat it.

>>16137244
It's very easy to ruin the history of a dish AND make it hard for others to enjoy
>Have traditional recipe that uses cheap ass ingredients
>Becomes trendy to use and fuck with said recipe
>Cheap ingredients go up in price due to inflated artificial value
>Hipster restaurants replace a multiple century old recipe with new bastardized version
>Bastard recipe becomes impossible to separate from traditional recipe, permanently tainting it culturally
>Harder to enjoy traditional recipe due to shifts in demand, tainting it commercially for at least 5 years
I've had this happen to me a few times, so it's not hard to imagine why people get pissed off when they're family's culture becomes FOTM.

>>16137512
>I've had this happen to me a few times
Care to share? I'm curious.

>>16135103
I get it>>16135095

>>16135103
it's octopus

>>16137512
>so it's not hard to imagine why people get pissed off
yeah it's actually pretty hard to imagine if you're not a fucking dumb faggot

>>16135094
Good post I liked the bit about history.

>>16137528
My family's big on soul food and barbecue, so we're cucked by high prices on previously "undesirable" cuts of meat.
>Pig ear
>Pig feet
>Chitterlings
>Ox tails
Didn't get many sales as they were harder to cook and seen as a shittier part of the animal. This is especially true for chitterlings, as you had to clean them thoroughly and the shit smell makes them a bitch to store. Once soul food started to catch on with the unwashed masses, prices skyrocketed. The high prices were twice as bad for these particular cuts because they're all smaller, less consistent parts of the animal. Average ox-tails are now 8 bucks per pound, despite the fact that they are 50% bone and mostly used for stock, because the supply is so low and demand from newfags is now high. This also meant that soul food restaurants had to raise their prices, and most of them hiked them even higher than the new development costs demanded because they knew people would pay. Now soul food is shit we only eat on holidays, which isn't too bad since the food takes time to prepare but still sucks.
My spic friend says a similar thing happened to beef tongue, and that flank/skirt cuts will probably be next.

>>16135094
Because in their entirety they have some weird sort of cultural inherited trauma from being the most dominate and powerful country on the face of the planet (or at least the West) to becoming just another little Euro country. And the way they take their impotent rage out on the rest of the worst is funneled into their cuisine for some odd reason.

That's it.

>>16138571
>And the way they take their impotent rage out
beats posting >Do Americans really all day

>>16135360
>maybe find one who hasn't been pampered her whole life. I'm a better cook than my girlfriend

YUP. I'd be willing to slap 20 bucks on the table to be able to tell which woman was raised in an upper middle class "Learned helplessness" family vs a working class family solely based on the their cooking ability and repertoire. My wife is the former and holy shit that bitch is 25, halfway to 50, and can't cook a damn thing despite me telling her I can show her how to at every opportunity.

Sucks for her that she's recently gotten a job as a Forest Ranger and will literally have to cook her shit over a fire for the next 3 months, so I'm hoping that that will force her to figure at least camp cooking out. To be fair she's a goddamn wizard at making a fire and setting up a campsite so she has that going for her.

>>16138610
I had to swing back to the kitchen for a bit today, but when I got home, the woman creature had some perfect chicken biryani on the table. She even tracked down some Kingfisher to go with it.

>>16137845
>seeing my sister bought $15 per pound oxtail
just buy steaks idiot this is trash food

>>16138620
I'm happy you found the unicorn anon. The rest of us have to heal with the huge portion of millennial women whose mothers/fathers didn't teach them the love of cooking.

the traditional strength of women cooks was that they gave a shit every single meal instead of getting the spirit of cooking twice a month and making something they've never made before like foodie men do, and otherwise eating a can of tuna over the trash can

>>16138656
Ah man. I really wish the average person cared about cooking and did it daily.

>>16138765
women cooks just won't randomly decide one day to watch a video on youtube to see how to salt cure and smoke a 12lb salmon at home and then do it

/ck/ should consciously understand the difference between nerd cooking and life cooking

>>16138806
Almost all women who cook that I know in real life do it because they have a hungry family to feed and they don't enjoy doing it.

>>16135437
>laklak arccibibi

I had the best laklak arccibibi in this little deli outside of palermo, fucking fantastic! Real local food.

I wouldn’t mind so much the modifications people make to original Italian recipes if those modifications were actually good. People will say “Roman Carbonara sucks, I need to improve it” then they add frozen peas and dump in cream until the sauce is diharrea-thin so it slides off your fork and you have to slurp it up like an animal

If you think flavorless chicken breast and cream improves the dish then you’ve probably never had real Carbonara

>>16138765

>>16137845
Ears, feet, and tails are only expensive because the finite number of them per animal. If your ancestors could’ve had ground beef at 3 dollars a pound they probably would’ve built food traditions around that lmao

>>16135104
If you cannot harvest your own crawldads and sparrows in the modern world . . . then u dun fugged up somewhere along the way.

>>16135298
jealousy is a sin

>thread about Italy
>people are discussing the merits of female cooks
figures

>>16138641
She just spent her early 20's poor - same way I did. "How can I wring some joy out of this impoverished existence?... Flavour?"

>>16140318
No, because like the anon said they used to be cheap several years ago despite their limited availability since no one but niggers and spics wanted them. They’re only expensive now because soi urbanites have decided to make them a trend

>>16135095
This. Italians are the most meticulous cooks in the world. They want their dishes to be perfect or else they'll throw it straight in the trash. Any Italian chef would slap a non Italian one if they so much as burned the oil on a side of a pan

>>16135094

D.O.P., that is the reason.

>>16135094
I think Americans try to make fun of it because, they have no culture of their own. And Asians are just completely clueless and don't even know that Europa is not a country.

>>16141370
like half of italian cuisine is made from new world ingredients

>>16140763
it's spelled soy. try getting a better job if you're angry that you can't afford anything but literal poverty cuts of meat

>>16141711
>ackshully you've only had tomatos for 500 years so it doesn't count lol lmao
why do americans always parrot this shit like they're making some kind of a point

>>16141722
>I think Americans try to make fun of it because, they have no culture of their own
and you accuse others of parroting lol

>>16141711
Americans didn't know how to use them, so european improve them
You're welcome

>>16141722
Most good things to happen to culinary traditions began in and around (and directly/indirectly because of) the renaissance and Columbian exchange. Lagering and other temperature anomalies started to mutate yeast, lighter malts became prevalent - beer became Beer, and the Germans sperged out. Capsicums, tomatoes, and potatoes became a thing in the old world, along with cocoa. Domesticated livestock became a thing in the new world, allowing for Mexican food to become a thing. Most things that people attribute to ancient tradition in their homelands are less than 700 years old.

>>16135437

I cooka da pizza

>>16135094
Where I live we use lots and lots of cream for spaghetti carbonara and a whole egg.
Italian food is now part of global culture.
It's chancing, adapting, evolving.
You can call it insult to Italian culture, the test of the world doesn't care.

>>16144142
It's really humid most of the time here, so we tend toward cream as well... but done bare bones - just pancetta/guanciale, hard cheese, egg yolks, some fresh egg noodles (with one whole egg and the leftover white), and a shit ton of freshly cracked pepper... it's just so pleasant in how well it all fits together - it's rich, but also kind of delicate. It just sucks that I really can't make it any time but the winter and expect it to turn out well.

>>16144142

>this is your doctor anon have you not been eating your alphabet soup lately?
>at least 3 times a week no more than 2 times a day
>also no cream it is italian

honestly so much time wasted complaining and not enough time used making fresh non-indigenous pasta ala southeast europe.

>squints eyes