/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>15948121
You would like it if it was only consumed by incels on a fringe imageboard, you contrarian loser

>>15948121
Bro only normies think IPA is main

>>15948121
Never. They taste good

>>15948158
>Never. They taste good
Posts like this are evidence that IPAs are a drinkable form of the sunk cost fallacy

I agree. My beer shop just sent an email about new selections. most of them are fucking IPAs or DIPAs.

>>15948164
Cope

>>15948173
>Virginia
Didn't know they had lots of craft brew there.

Lagunitas are alright. I have had some ipas that taste like cat piss smells

>>15948164
How

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>>15948201
go the fuck back to r*ddit kiddo shits

>>15948121
Never. People like the taste of beer.

>>15948173
I just go straight to the brewery. Most lagers or unique beers are available there only. Ipas sell better in liquor stores so I get it

>>15948128
damn unironically true. actually btfo

>>15948214
>>15948158
fucking samefag kys

>>15948215
I'm still able to find plenty to buy, it just requires filtering through the IPAs. I prefer lagers, sours and lighter styles for spring/summer. Idk how morons drink IPAs all year.

>>15948229
Same. I like them here and there, but not consistently. I also can't drink double ipas anymore. The fuckers give me gnarly heartburn.

>>15948229
IPAs are the perfect summer beer. They're so refreshing.

>>15948181
It's not 2001, craft beer is all over the country. Sure most breweries are cranking out the same IPAs and occasionally a seltzer for normies in the summer. But the sheer quantity means there's a lot of good stuff nationwide, which continues to make Europeans SEETHE.

>>15948128
fpbp LOL

>>15948241
Sorry you haven't tried many styles.

>>15948207
>drink beer that your body is biologically designed to find repellent because of its' extreme bitterness
>keep drinking it to prove a point
>tell people it tastes good so all that effort doesn't go to waste

>>15948286
It's not extremely bitter. Humans have also ingested bitter things since we've been on two legs. Oh and it does taste good

>>15948121
Did you mean to post this 5 years ago? Almost all the hoppy stuff is gone, replaced by fucking alcoholic seltzer water. Literally half the beer aisle at my local is fucking seltzers.

>>15948201
Cat piss = oxidised hops = shite brewery

>>15948128
this just drink what you like

>>15948339
If OP thinks Lagunitas style IPAs are in any way the norm right now he may as well be posting from fucking 10 years go.

When is the last time you left your house or talked to a person in real life OP?

>>15948258
>enjoying the most popular style means you haven't tried other styles
It's popular for a reason, dum dum. People aren't "pretending to like it". I can also almost guarantee I've tried more styles than you, just based on the fact that you're posting in a "IPAs are yucky" thread and agreeing with the OP.

>>15948128
based

>>15948121
After years of drinking light beers that vaguely resemble mild soap water, I want a beer with flavor that I can actually taste

>>15948639
Most people just don't really like the taste of beer. See: literally everybody who posts about how hard it is to find a decent lager.

>>15948121
he hasn't tried hazy little thing

>>15948173
Virgin IPA vs Chad Stouts, Lagers and Sours

IPA tastes like dishwater. Only consumed by retarded Americans

>>15948690
>imports american ipa from halfway around the world
>wonders why it doesn't taste fresh
Retard.

>>15948128
holy based

>>15948121
IPAs are probably among the hardest beers to brew properly and come out with a smooth taste, most breweries that try out IPA recipes for the first time will end up making shit beer that is not worth drinking. Lagunitas is one of those beers, literally only worth drinking for the abv% if nothing else in your house or if someone bought it for you as a gift because they heard 'you like IPAs' which I suspect is how these shitty IPAs are being passed around in the first place. Another brewery that has no business making IPAs is Elysian. Sierra Nevada and Goose island are the main two IPA companies that will constantly offer smooth tasting IPAs, maybe Breckinridge and Founders too but it's been a while since I've had their recipies.

A general rule of thumb is not to buy any IPA from a brand new beer company you've never heard of before, especially if it has packaging marketed to attract zoomers and not older folks, it will 99% of the time be trash beer. Just about any new brewery can make an ok 4-5% lager. But IPAs are an entirely different story and it's the mass amount of shitty new IPAs on the market that are giving the good ones a bad name

Also if you're black or some kind of minority your taste buds will be even more prone to finding the average IPA to be too bitter to drink as well

>>15948956
>the hardest beers to brew properly and come out with a smooth taste
You don't know what you're talking about Ameritard

>>15948286
>keep drinking it to prove a point
Only a contrarian autist would do retarded shit like this.

Personally I like beers that taste like bread, not beers that taste like dirt

>>15949007
>'you don't know what you're talking about'
>literally states a basic fact that IPAs are harder to masterly brew than simpler lagers

>>15949044
>>literally states a basic fact that IPAs are harder to masterly brew than simpler lagers
IPA's are not lagers. IPA's are also easier to brew than lagers. Facts.

>>15949066
>IPA's are not lagers

No one said they were, you esl. And no, they're not 'easier' to brew than lagers, no beer manufacturer will ever tell you that

>>15948128
FPBP

>>15949086
Brewers will tell you that, because they are. Lagers, especially pilsners, are famous for being the one style of beer that brewers will spend years refining and refining because the mash bill is so simple and lack of adjuncts mean that it's typically seen as an expression of the brewery rather than the ingredients. IPA's you can brew a fairlly standard high IBU pale ale and dry hop it to fuck. It's easier to brew, it's easier to hide mistakes. The only beer style I can think of that's easier is Stouts and possibly kettle sours. IPA's are a piece of piss.

>>15949104
>you can

>meaning it is

Schizophrenic autism

>>15949108
Reading comprehension level = bovine

>>15949132
Coping level - Never a woman.

>>15948121
Lagunitas is one of the only IPAs that's actually not overly bitter

>>15948213
>bringing up plebbit at all

>>15949021
you might wanna refer to the URL in your browser right now to quickly remind yourself where you are

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You see these? All me.

IPAs can be good. Lagunitas is not good.

I drink this lager because it tastes of basically nothing, and I can drink loads of it and not get drunk.

>>15949194

why would anyone drink beer for the taste?

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>>15949202
Some people accidentally meme themselves into liking it

>>15949202
This lager in particular is extremely well suited to summer drinks like a 50/50 lemonade shandy.
If you don't like the taste of that on a hot day, there's something wrong with you.

>>15948121
in all of these threads it just seems to be stoutfags seething about IPAs

>>15949214
>people dont *actually* like beer, everybody is just pretending

lmao. youre autistic, stick to your tendies and choccy milkies

>>15949237
I actually have a very haute palate which is why I don't waste time on beer. It's a purely social drink

I like IPAs but I hate how it seems like most of the microbrew selection is nothing but awful IPAs. Some of my old favorites have been taken off the shelf for undrinkable garbage.

>>15949187
semi-correct. this and their 'gnarlywine' were goddamn solid. pic related was actually one of the best beers i'd had last year

>>15949255
Never had a Belgian beer

>>15948121
"People" who mainly drink macrobrews are the same level as people who mainly eat ready meals

>>15949255
Nah, you’re just engaging in faux snobbery because you think it makes you appear sophisticated to others.

>>15949313
Pretence, it's called pretence.

>>15948128
Kek fpbp OP is a fag

>>15949231
That's because stouts are based and IPAs taste like bug poison

>>15948121
>usually 5-11%apv, as opposed to maxing out at 5 like domestics
>is light enough to chug

the crowd that values these things is not the kind of crowd that cares about the taste. the microbrew label means you can pretend its classy.

>>15949359
Domestics max out at 5 because then they have to pay less tax and can sell you larger pack sizes maximising their profit margins. Not because it's better beer or better for you.

>>15949289
>"People" who mainly drink macrobrews...

The rest of the world just considers this normal beer, as these recipes are hundreds of years old, it's only in America that zoomers are lashing out against their 30 year old boomer brethren for liking something they don't like because the US beer industry wiped out all old world recipes during prohibition and the great depression and was only in the late 80,'s to 90's that real breweries began to brew original stouts, IPAs, ports, and lagers that weren't named Bud, Milwaukee or Coors again.

it is literally only dumb American zoomers that hate real beer

>>15949104
>Lagers, especially pilsners, are famous for being the one style of beer that brewers will spend years refining and refining

...because of German puritan laws that dislowed them from using and experimenting with other ingredients. There's a reason there are hundreds of drinkable lagers out of hundreds of different lager brands on the market, and there's a reason there are less than a dozen drinkable IPAs on the market out of the hundreds who have tried making it it. Turns out, it's much harder to brew properly

>>15949417
>as these recipes are hundreds of years old
Completely unrealistic. Beer even just a hundred years ago would have been a much higher ABV, higher IBU but generally aged for longer so lower overall bitterness. Macrobrewed American Lager beers not resemblance to anything vaguely resembling traditional and if you believe it you're a slave to marketing who knows nothing about the history of beer.

Craft beer restarted because beer had been declining decade on decade so they switched it up to make it popular and for better or worse the sales have increased year on year.

It's only poor people who think macro is the best option. Even if you hate the craft beer scene there is better example of any given beer style available from microbrewery than that beige pisswater slurry that macros trick trailer trash into believing is drinkable.

>>15949430
>..because of German puritan laws that dislowed them from using and experimenting with other ingredients.

You're clearly fundamentally unfamiliar with German Purity Law which was reformed in 1993 so now German brewers can more or less put whatever they like into their beer in terms of finings, flavourings and spicing as long as those beers are racked onto those ingredients and filtered before bottling.


>There's a reason there are hundreds of drinkable lagers out of hundreds of different lager brands on the market
They're cheaper to make, have greater profit margins and have a less polarising flavour profiles which means that capturing a smaller percentage of the lager market yields a greater amount of profit for the business.

>there's a reason there are less than a dozen drinkable IPAs on the market out of the hundreds who have tried making it it
Not accurate, if you believe that there are less than a dozen drinkable IPA's then perhaps hoppy bitter beers are simply not your preference.

>Turns out, it's much harder to brew properly
In terms of the technical brewing process it is factually simpler to brew an IPA In terms of producing the best IPA or the best lager on the market, it is factually easier to brew the best IPA. IPA's offer much more options at every stage of brewing and final product. It's quite simply easier.

>>15949461
>In terms of the technical brewing process it is factually simpler

Yet actually harder in practice, hence the real world numbers of quality IPAs versus the huge number of lagers, math itself refutes your claims, as does a simple Google search of the IPA brewing process

>But despite what looks like an easy formula, it's actually one of the hardest beers to get right, says Travis Smith, brewmaster at San Diego's Societe Brewing.

>>15949439
Youre a faggot. There is LITERALLY nothing wrong with macrobrew beer if thats what youre in the mood for.. There isnt some weird false equivalency where you can like either or. Craft brews are good, macros are good. There are shit ones and good ones of each.

>>15949439
No one cares, autist, you're sperging out because people enjoy inoffensive light tasting booze.

>>15949524
>Yet actually harder in practice
Please elaborate, as a brewer, I'm interested to know which stages of the process you perceive to be more challenging?

>hence the real world numbers of quality IPAs versus the huge number of lagers
Interested to know how you are quantifying the number of high quality IPA's Vs high quality lager beyond your personal opinion?

>as does a simple Google search of the IPA brewing process
Again, as a brewer, which stages do you think are easier because a simple Google search would have educated you that lagers require a more complicated mash schedule, delicate malt bill balance, lengthy lautering process not to mention the time consuming stage of lagering.

>>But despite what looks like an easy formula, it's actually one of the hardest beers to get right, says Travis Smith, brewmaster at San Diego's Societe Brewing.

“It is most definitely much harder to brew quality lager than it is to brew IPA,” Andrew Foss (head brewer at Saint Benjamin Brewing Company)

Oh look, I can cherry pick quotes to support my arguments aswell.

>>15949552
>Youre a faggot.
Very possibly.

>There is LITERALLY nothing wrong with macrobrew beer if thats what youre in the mood for..
Absolutely. There's nothing wrong with drinking your own piss, it's sterile, you might like the taste. But that doesn't mean we have to pretend it doesn't make you subhuman.

>There isnt some weird false equivalency where you can like either or.
I never said this but any macrobrewed beer has a better microbrewed equivalent.

> There are shit ones and good ones of each.

Absolutely fair.

>>15949584
>any macrobrewed beer has a better microbrewed equivalent.
At what number of cases produced does it transition from micro to macro, thus causing spontaneous drop in quality?
Smaller breweries would pay good money for this knowledge.

This shit was in in 2016. I don’t get how anyone still drinks these.

>>15949601
>At what number of cases produced does it transition from micro to macro, thus causing spontaneous drop in quality?
The barrel output isn't usually the cause of the drop it's the recipe rewrites that ruin it. When you have to output a certain volume then this usually comes with switching to a higher percentage of base malt and less speciality malts, or cheaper perennial malts, using cost cutting equipment like hop rockets instead of actual hop additions etc etc. The drop in quality happens when the brewery decides they will make a lower cost beer, sell it as the same product and take in the profits.

>Smaller breweries would pay good money for this knowledge.
It's easy, the moment they decide to sell out. They know this but everyone has a price.

>>15949575
>Interested to know how you are quantifying the number of high quality IPA's Vs high quality lager beyond your personal opinion?

The output of beer manufacturing itself is not something you can refute. You claim making IPAs easy, reality itself refutes this.

t. Beer manufacturer

>>15949653
>The output of beer manufacturing itself is not something you can refute.
The volume of output is not an indicator of quality.

>You claim making IPAs easy, reality itself refutes this.
What aspect of brewing an IPA is easier than a lager? Go on.

>>15949329
stouts are even gayer than ipas. muh epic bourbon barrel 11% imperial sludge with brown sugar and choccy milk flavor.

>>15949749
I'm so fucking sick of them. I love stouts, but finding just a normal imperial or russian is harder than it should be. Everything has fucking marshmallows and shit in it and I don't want it

>>15949777
>Everything has fucking marshmallows and shit in it and I don't want it
So true. Finding a dry stout is like searching for a needle in a haystack

Just drink Belgian abbey ale. It's trad and delicious.

>>15949859
Too sweet and absolutely disgusting

>>15949859
>>15949943

Is Belgian Abbey Ale a specific brand or is the style you're describing?

>>15948121
Not soon enough. Sours can die too.

>>15949960
Kettle sours were like horrifying precursor to hard Seltzer's that no one asked for and only Karens wanted

>>15949973
I had a couple that were good. One was aged in tequila barrels and I downed too much of it. Other than the small handful I agree. Berliner weiss are better

Bruh, you are honestly a year too late if you think this will be another summer of IPAs. This summer will mark a boom of light, fruity beers with citrus notes and low IBUs. Citrus wheat, belgian sessions, simple pilsners and kolshes, hazy pale and golden ales.
Last year's explosion in Truly / Whiteclaw nonsense combined with hipster interest in bullshit like shandies is gonna create demand for these sorts of light, fruity beers. Beer-y enough for the beer snobs, fruity enough for the easy drinkers.
To pile on to that, hops are thin (yet again). It's too expensive to make hop-heavy beer. Same with sours; ingredients are too expensive.
Light, easy-drinking, fruity beers this year. Screenshot this post if you want. It's gonna be an easy-drinkin' summer, friends. (Honestly, I'm rather excited.)

>>15950164
Don't agree. Everyone's consumption of beer has leaned towards those higher ABV beverages during the pandemic as people want more bang for their buck. My money is on the "Cold IPA" trend building momentum.

>>15948128
based!

>>15950198
Not a chance. Cold ipa means absolutely nothing

>>15949973
Imperial Sours are coming and you better be ready for atomic grapefruit tart blaster 10.8% from every brewery known to man

>>15948128
fpbp

>>15949194
>Tastes like nothing
>Doesn't get you drunk
Why bother? You just like pissing every 30 minutes?

To be fair, you have to have a very refined palate to enjoy IPAs. The taste is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of hop horticulture most of the bitter notes will go over a typical drinkers tounge. There's also IPAs ultra shitty taste, which is deftly woven into its flavor - it's sharp piss flavor draws heavily from homosexual watersport acts, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the faggorty to truly appreciate the depths of these flavors, to realize that they're not just bitter- they say something deep about BEER. As a consequence drinkers who dislike IPAs truly ARE tastelets of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the bitterness in a double hopped IPA, "Super Dooper Trooper Ultra HAZE" which itself is a cryptic reference to how the consumer is a stoned out retard. I'm salivating right now just imagining one of those double hopped brews guzzling down my throat just like Dan Harmon's gooey cum. What tastelets... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have a IPA tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the bulls' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 inches longer than my own cock (preferably higher) beforehand.

>>15948128
Holy fucking based FPBP.

>>15949584
whats a better microbrewed alternatuve to miller high life?

gerst lager is a superior budweiser but i have trouble finding micros who can do what macros can with light beer

I've been sober for 1 month.
Feels good, man.

>>15949584
>There's nothing wrong with drinking your own piss, it's sterile

No it's not you fucking retard

>>15950282
>Cold ipa means absolutely nothing
It means it's lagered. It should really be called and Imperial Pale Lager but that wouldn't sell as well.

>>15951961
Imagine getting mad over a movie quote, spunktits

>>15952138
>I don't know what lager means
Ok retard

>>15952178
It's lagered. They still use an ale yeast but they use ones that are resistant to cold temperatures and then they lager it.

>>15952188
that's lager

>>15952472
Yeah which is why there was so much controversy when Cold IPPA's were created, as I already said, they should technically be called an Imperial Pale Lager. It's different to a lager due to the higher ABV, gravity, IBU and SRM. However the creators firmly wanted it to be called Cold IPA because they thought it sounded better and would be easier to market.

>>15948213
Quit projecting you child, nobody cares the you browse reddit.

>>15952538
>so much controversy
lol what controversy. they don't know what words mean
>the creators firmly wanted it
who gives a fuck, the creators (read: guys who made lager yeast) are firmly idiots

Kevin's wife isn't gonna approve of him getting blasted on high-alcohol imperials in front of company they haven't seen since two summers ago. Kevin has already internalized a love for hard seltzers on the golf course last year, but that's not manly enough to drink in front of Brady and the boys.
Result: crisp, light, 5% fruity sessions.
If Kevin and Brady and the rest of those fags are gonna sneak away to get drunk, it'll be on bourbon.

>>15952603
>>so much controversy
>lol what controversy.
Well pretty much every brewer/brewery was like wtf do you mean fucktards that's not an IPA?! And every beer/brewing related outlet threw a little pissy fit

>they don't know what words mean
No they know what the words mean but they knew which name would earn more money and made a choice to make more money.

>who gives a fuck, the creators (read: guys who made lager yeast) are firmly idiots
Literal what, its made with ale yeast wtf are you on? Cold IPA's were created in 2019/2020 so only about 150-200 years after lager yeast was discovered.

>>15948121
It’s already dying in places where they know how to brew decent beer.
The perk of IPA’s is that the overwhelming hops cover up any shitty flavors you would get from a poor brew. It’s the easiest beer for a microbrewery to make.
Ironically the American premium lager like Bud and Coors is one of the most challenging styles to make because of the light flavors. Any impurities and it will be undrinkable so quality control is extremely strict.

The only guy i know who enjoys ipas is a huge redditor, i don't mind some hop flavor though

>IPA's die
>Imperial Sours take over
Can't always get what you want nigga.

>>15948229
A hazy ipa can be decent on a hot day but not more than a pint.
Most microbrewers aren’t capable of making a decent lager or balanced ale.

>>15950361
Should we be rounding up craft Brewers and putting them in re-education camps? It seems like they’re a focal point of the civilizational collapse going on in America.

An IPA drinker for me is this guy
>beard
>wants to visit german
>vapes
>listens to celtic rock
>honda

>>15952656
Close but it’s actually this guy:
>beard
>wants to visit Vermont for their craft beer scene
>fat/skinnyfat
>plays niche board games
>brings his Nintendo switch to the brewery
>Prius/Subaru hybrid

>>15952649
I am not against this idea.

>>15952613
Please excuse me if I am confused. I'm annoyed with gimmick marketers that can't let the beer speak for itself.
From what I've been reading, these "Cold IPAs" are made with pilsner malts and LAGER yeasts, making them IPLs by strict definition.
Seems like this is a dumb thing to lure the untapp'd retards into buying a six pack of some garbage, not an actual style.

>>15952656
>>15952664
Both accurate.

>>15948121
Let it live.
Then us based stout and porter drinkers can get the good shit cheaper

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>>15952869
Stouts are way more expensive and that's not how pricing will ever work

>>15952689
You are right that they are IPL by strict definition but that's not what they've been named.

However, they are brewed with a variety of base malts and using ale yeasts.

>>15948128
I don't think op can recover from this

I mean, it isn't even that bitter, that's entry level stuff.

>>15948121
75% of craft beer is pretty bad but i dont get the hate. Just drink w/e the fuck you like. Pic related is one of the good ones

>>15952138
It doesn't. I've seen them before. What I would buy religiously is that hoppy lager sierra nevada put out years ago

>>15948121
It’s already dead, dumb boomer. Young Niggas be tippling back that sour sour now

>>15953496
You've literally not. You don't know what you're talking about third worlder.

>>15948121
funny that you post the worst IPA i have ever had in my life. ever have any beer not made from wetbaxico?

>>15948128
holy btfo op on suicide watch

>>15948128
well this is probably true lmao. But I think it's a fair point that the craft beer market is oversaturated with a million varieties of IPAs and not enough of other classic styles.

>>15948121
craft beers were a mistake

>>15948339
This is true. Same amount of room in the beer cooler, but fewer beers in there now.
>>15948454
The IPAs of today are all hazy/"joocy"/NEIPAs. Clear IPAs are a thing of the past.

>>15948699
Weren't IPAs originally created because they needed a beer that could withstand being on a ship going literally around the world?
>Another brewery that has no business making IPAs is Elysian
lol Space Dust is my favorite commercial-scale IPA.
>>15949066
IPAs are easier than lagers. NEIPAs are harder I'd say. Even breweries struggle to make a good one.

>>15949777
trips of truth. Stouts are victim to the second biggest trend in beer, high-gravity dessert beers.
>>15949949
Abbey Ale is a style, though often brewed in an actual monastery.
>>15952188
>it's not a lager it's just an ale made with ale yeast that likes cold temperatures. then you age it at low temps for a few months
lmao ok bro.

>>15953877
>what is market demand

>>15954002
That is what created the glut, yes. I wager 5 years from now you will not see so many IPAs on the shelf, and we'll all be complaining about the sours fad or something.

>>15953625
Literally not what? Seen imperial pale lager? Yes I have

Test

>>15949949
It's a style or a couple of different styles really. Abbey breweries make dubbels, tripels, quadrupels and lighter blonds.

Blonds and triples are usually lighter coloured and dubbels and quadruples are darker but they should never be overly sweet.

The best abbey ales are from official trappist breweries: Westvleteren, Westmalle, Chimay, La Trappe, Rochefort, Orval are the old breweries, there are a bunch of new ones now. Most are in Belgium but there is one in the US too now, and one in the UK and Italy I believe. The beer styles are traditional Belgian though.

>>15948121
For me? It's Broken Skull IPA.

>>15948121
Come and take it

>>15954618
>Come and take it
>Two Hearted Ale
No thanks, that's all you bud

>>15949674

He’s right though, flavor bombs like ipas are easier to brew because the ideal conditions for ale yeast are much more forgiving compared to lager yeast.

Said differently, the ideal lager is one which exhibits relatively delicate, clean “light” flavors that can only be brewed in a highly temperature controlled environment.

There’s a reason macro lagers like coors light, bud light could only be brewed in the modern era. It’s takes a lot of engineering know how to brew a beer that doesn’t have a lot of flavor.

>>15948121
When I go to the nearest gas station at 1am i have a choice of buying IPA or malt liquor and I get tired of malt liquor so I buy the IPA because it's 7%.

>>15953902
>Weren't IPAs originally created because they needed a beer that could withstand being on a ship going literally around the world?
That's kind of a topic of debate, but yes, that's where's the name comes from. Whatever those beers were has absolutely nothing to do with modern IPA's, which more than almost any other style of beer absolutely need to be consumed as fresh as possible. I'm pretty much convinced that most people who shit on IPA's as flat, bland, over-hopped, or whatever talking point that ultimately comes down to, "the hops are just used to cover up a shitty beer" - as though there exists a universe in which you could make a shitty malt base and somehow "cover it up" with more hops - just haven't had a good, FRESH, IPA. A good, West Coast, hop forward IPA is one of the best examples of balancing hops and malts, and taking it to the limit in terms of complexity and nuance, within the particular style (doubles and triples do it best, in my opinion). A good IPA, 3 weeks after it's bottled, is like a good 15 year old Bordeaux with a bouquet of flowers that somehow complements it. A 3 month old IPA is like stale dog piss.

>>15949005
>Also if you're black or some kind of minority your taste buds will be even more pron
retard detected.

>>15948121
It's fizzy alchohocl water with hops

why drink this when you can have dark smooth rich stout?

>>15948128
OP literally cleaning blast off his butt rn

>>15956463
What if someone were to distill it into 95% ethanol then dilute it to 4.1-4.4% ABV then add carbonation? Why isn't that a product if the objective is to be flavorless?

IPA's unironically contain estrogen

>>15957302
so does everything else, everything wrapped in plastic contains estrogenic compounds, taking a shower with tapwater, smoking weed or eating fastfood will give you bitchtits.

>>15948128
Ok chud

just drink something else then? i like it and so do most people

IPA tastes like liquefied pinecone, its disgusting.

>>15957748
I love chewing on pinecones.

>>15948229
cant into a good beer
the state of this oh wait never mind

testing

>>15948229
Maybe just don't spend any time in the section with the "IPA" sign.

I used to like stouts, but for the past decade, they've been increasingly heavy-handed with the chocolate malt. It's gotten to the point where most craft stouts just taste like burnt toast, instead of malty with subtle (!) hints of caramel, coffee and chocolate. The burnt asshair taste has even been creeping into barleywines lately.

>>15948121

I prefer bitter IPAs compared to those full on fruity-tooty IPAs that all the poofters drink.

>>15952664
That describes about 3-5 people I work with. They drive 5 hours each direction to load up their cars a few times each year at their favorite brewery.

>>15952649
Yes, we need to gas bugmen

I don't mind IPA being popular it just means less people are buying all my pilsner and hefeweizen

>>15949777
Glad I'm not the only one. I don't mind the occasional coffee stout or something but so many of the craft options tend to be heavily flavoured that it seems difficult to just get a regular no-frills stout sometimes.

>>15948121
My dad got me into beer, and I liked the hop bitterness, I even pickled my own hops as a snack.

Then I flew to close to the sun and drank pic related... toned it down a little.

>>15948121
>>DUDE HOPS LMAO IT'S LIKE SOOOO BITTER BRO
>When will the IPA meme die?

>>15958373
I don't know how people don't get gut rot from that crap

>>15959824
kek at the cup

>>15948128
anti-IPA bros...we got too cocky.....

>>15948121
>bitter = bad
Kind of a dumb take. The reason most IPAs are shit is because they taste like actual piss, not simply because they are bitter. There's plenty of bitter flavors in beer that are fantastic, and there are IPAs that are bitter, but not so hoppy as to actually taste like literal piss, that are pretty good. Weekend Warrior by Karbach is a pretty damn good IPA, but it tastes mostly like grapefruit instead of piss in a can.

The problem with most IPAs is that idiots think hoppy piss water is good, despite the fact that it literally tastes like actual human urine. I think there's probably a strong correlation between people with piss fetishes and IPAs.

>>15948128
This is probably the most braindead take around this place, and the most obvious evidence of being a transplant newfag. The single group of people that anons are contrarian against the most are other anons.

>>15948128
anti-IPAbros... how will we ever recover?

>>15948121
For me its a proper a pint of bitter

>>15948128
holy absolute based btfo great googlymoogly op was never heard from again jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus christ

>>15948121
Not really a huge fan of Lagunitas honestly. I don't hate the brand either though.

>>15949194
Every cunt in Scotland drinks tennets. I remember when the pub I used to work in switched over to some other shitey lager because the new chink owners of the brewery had some dispute with Caledonia and half the regulars walked out and never came back.

>>15948690
Considering IPAs were invented by the Brits....

>>15948699
I've ordered Westvleteren 12 online and it tasted fine after shipping from Belgium to the US.

>>15949202
>>15949214
You must be 18 to post here

>>15948121
You sound more bitter than an IPA.
I'm pretty sure IPAs have been around for 150 years so this meme will outlast us all. City people who look like lumberjacks will be drinking IPAs long after we're put in the ground.
Although most IPAs are pretty horrible desu. A good hearty stout is best.

>>15961017
Why haven't you sliced your wrists open yet stout sperg?

>>15948121

When they stop being delicious.

>>15960882
>I've ordered Westvleteren 12 online and it tasted fine after shipping from Belgium to the US.
A Belgium quad has virtually nothing in common with an American IPA. Some beers are better after being cellared for a year or two - like wine. I'm honestly not sure if people cellar Westvleteren, but just based on the style I wouldn't be surprised if it has a long shelf life. IPA's (under ~11% abv) absolutely do not benefit from sitting around.

>>15960136
>it literally tastes like actual human urine
You're a right fuckwit

I can smell this thread

>>15960549
based and caskpilled

>>15948121
When you kill it

>>15948128
You have breasts

>>15948128
I didn’t read the post. Cancel my reply above, I agree.

>>15949044
Every actual brewer I've heard talk say largers are the hardest beers to brew well.

>>15957298
It's called hard seltzer and it's rapidly growing in popularity.

>>15963463
Funnily enough the rising popularity of hard seltzer correlates closely with the coming-of-age of tasteless zoomie fucktards.

>>15960549
Based

>>15963814
Honestly the more I talk to people my age, 30's, more and more are switching to seltzers to avoid the bloat from beer

>>15964330
These are just gluttons with no self-control.
Quality > quantity is how to enjoy life effectively.

>>15964379
Nah even when I have just one or two beers now I feel it

>>15964382
That's a shame for you then I suppose.

>>15948121
Lagunitas is a pretty balanced IPA , not exactly a great example of overly bitter trash

>>15958360
agreed

>>15964389
Idk I still enjoy beer and it helps me stop before I start getting drunk so I'm not too upset about it

>they don't enjoy IPAs, Lagers, Stouts, Trappists, Gruits, Blondes, Barleywines, sours, etc equally

What a bunch of pussys

>>15964638
I enjoy all of these, AND I don't like anime
I'm a bigger chad than you will ever be

>>15948121
This is about the only IPA I've had that I enjoy. And by enjoy I mean I actually love it and think it's really good.
Everything else taste like grass clippings.

>>15948128
IPAs deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that. I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine beer in New Jersey for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been drinking it for almost 2 years now. I can even shotgun whole cans of it with my oshiya after work now.

Japanese brewers spend years working on a single beer and ferment it up to several years to produce the finest bottles known to mankind.