/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>15674411
this is for you, king

i know a way you can save even more money

>>15674441
No, I will not go and pick it up myself. It's too cold outside.

Plus, why would I do that if the wagie will do it for free delivery, no fee, and no tip?

>Never tip
>Eventually they start putting this on your box
>Continue not tipping
>eventually your pizza arrives cold or your soda shaken up
>call and complain
>cuck career wagie (manager) comps it and sends me a thing for a free order
>continue not tipping
>repeat
It's like how those punchcards for a free sub sandwich

>>15674568
>delivery charge is not paid to the driver

So how do they get paid?

>>15674466
>free delivery, no fee
Where do you order from that literally provides additional service for free?

>>15674568
So what the delivery charge is for ? Why should burgers pay the delivery guy wage instead of his employer ? Tips should be forbidden.

I got banned from /ck/ once for making a thread complaining about tipping culture in the US and how i dont tip at all unless the food is heavily discounted

>>15674411
Really does. Then again I don't get food delivered to my house like a fucking Hermit.

>>15674583
I just ordered an impossible whopper from burger king and I got charged literally nothing extra.

>>15674579
>>15674586
It goes to insurance so when they inevitably get in an accident the company doesn't care

>>15674411
>order groceries via Instacart
>always tip 20%
>my order arrives 30-45 minutes early

>>15674586
>Why should burgers pay the delivery guy wage instead of his employer ?
They shouldn't.
>Tips should be forbidden.
Correct.

>>15674579
Depends on the state and who is running the store, but generally speaking a driver gets minimum wage while in store, then sub-minimum wage while delivering (what a country, you get paid less when doing your actual job than you do while waiting in the store to do your job) and then actual tips
If you're in one of the shit tier states, or you are owned by a franchise who just doesn't care about employment law, you might just end up on a sub-minimum wage like $5 an hour for the whole time.
The delivery charge is yet another 'murican invention to transfer profits from staff to owners (people who pay a delivery charge are less likely to tip a driver, so the $2 they might have tipped the driver goes straight to the owner instead and the driver gets nothing), hence the flyer attached to the box from the driver to beg for an actual tip.
And of course, the driver has to pay all their car costs, so they end up making even less money once they pay insurance, fuel and car upkeep.
It's also one of the most likely jobs in the nation to get murdered on the job. If you bring a gun and get found out they fire you.
All for sub-minimum wage.
There's a reason why almost no-one lasts more than 2 years in the job.

>>15674651
this lad wasn't paying much attention in maths

>>15674681
>uber eats has a speedy delivery option.
>food still shows up 30 minutes late.

>>15674411
I am a GrubHub driver. 99% of my customers leave a tip of some kind, and if they don’t, drivers reject the offer and by the time they come to me GH offers me a $5 bonus to deliver your food.

So I take your order, and the bonus, I take my sweet ass time getting to you. I will put your food in the warmer bag but it’s still gonna be cold, not because of me but because it sat on the restaurant counter for thirty minutes while drivers passed on your offer.

>>15674797
so they can see if it has a tip?

>>15674791
>get something with free delivery promo
>only after I order do they tell you it's not "free delivery" it's their bullshit "the driver is doing multiple jobs at once" delivery
>food comes 45 minutes late and cold

>no tip
>say delivery person stole food
>get money back
>they get fired

what a time to be alive

>>15674806
I took breaks from it and realized that its cheaper to cook at home.

>>15674681
I drive for GH. If you tip poorly, and it’s a long drive, drivers will reject your order and your order will be delayed. I’ve gotten offers and the pickup time was half an hour before I was offered the order because the customer didn’t tip. The order sits in limbo.

If I get a good offer with a good tip I accept it immediately and make sure I do a good job.

Sometimes I will buy myself food or a drink when it’s slow between deliveries. Or I’ll get gas. If I’m waiting in line for one of those and it’s a good tip I leave the line to get the order ASAP.

If not then I take my time. I do hurry and try to go a good job even on low earning orders but a better tip makes me work better desu

>>15674802
Not until after we’ve delivered it. We get shown a map of pickup location and delivery location and our location, as well as a total dollar amount. The dollar amount is based on time, distance to the restaurant and then to the customer, and then the customer’s tip. If an order has been rejected by other nearby drivers, then there will be a bonus.

We used to be able to see the tip amount after accepting the order, but now we don’t see it until we pick up the order. But we still have a good idea. The most you’ll get from mileage and time is like $7, and that’s for like a 30 minute drive. So if an offer is for $20 or so we know it’s a good tip.

>>15674812
We don’t get fired unless it’s a pattern.

>>15674870
ah good, I can keep stiffing the wagies.

>>15674812
lmao drivers don't get fired unless they keep rejecting orders.

>>15674568
in europe you can just not tip without consequences
they dont even hassle or pressure you, i have never tipped once in my life

>>15674870
>2 orders
>15 bucks
Is that the customers’ order total? Or is that what goes into your pocket if you accept the delivery?

>>15675054
no one cares

>>15675059
>no one cares
some one is jealous

>>15674411
Based

>>15675063
why did you repost my post in green text after directly quoting it

>>15674806
A zero tip gets you put to the bottom of the cue.

>>15675077
>why did you repost my post in green text after directly quoting it

Pee pee poo poo

>>15675056
That’s what goes into the driver’s pocket for both orders. It’s rare that I get a double offer, but it does happen, and usually it’s a lot more than $12 for a double offer (usually over $20).

You don’t usually see what the customer spent on food though you so see their order so it’s not hard to find out

>>15674880
Food delivery bros, can you explain what motivates a driver to not deliver my food after picking it up? Ordered shwaram and the driver marked it as delivered, waited on my porch for like 5 minutes thinking he just pre-emptively marked it. Called the dude after. says he's delivered it for sure, doesnt know why its missing. Was he hungry? Got a full refund, don't see why a 8 dollar meal would be worth getting a strike on your account. I even tipped.

>>15674797
>>15674870
Yo GHdudes, serious question.

What’s happens when something simply isn’t delivered?
A couple of times, my order never arrived. Like the tracker showed the driver meandering around my general area, and then it was suddenly marked as delivered.

GH gave me instant refunds both times when I contacted them, so who eats the cost? GH? The restaurant? Does the driver get to keep what they were paid for the delivery?

>>15675100
There are three options;
1. Delivered to incorrect address
2. Lied about delivering because of laziness or food theft.
3. Someone walking or driving by stole it.

I have failed a single delivery in my four months of driving. I delivered to a motel next to another motel and dropped the food in front of the wrong motel’s room of the same number. I was too far away when I got the diner’s call that he hadn’t got it. He got a refund and the order was canceled but I got to keep the money GH paid me for it. So for me, I think the most likely thing is he delivered to the wrong address - either your mistake in the app, the GPS’s mistake on your address, or his mistake in picking the house.

He may have stolen it because he was hungry and thought he could get away with it. Idk. If a driver gets too many complaints like this their account will be deactivated.

It is also theoretically possible that someone else stole it but I find that highly improbable.

hate yanks and everything about them

>>15675133
I checked my neighbours porches, definitely wasn't a wrong address unless he somehow has managed to be the only driver to ever fuck up delivery. Think the dude was just hungry and bullshitted over the phone. Thanks for the answer brah.

>>15675142
I also hate whatever irrelevant country you are from if only it was important enough for me to remember it haha

Based no tippers, I never tip even in snow storms. And I got 4 meals for free

>>15675114
I am an honest driver who tries to do a good job, so my perspective is colored by that.

If the driver spends time driving around your area, then marks it as delivered, I suspect one of your neighbors had the meal dropped at their door, and your driver picked the wrong house. It’s also possible the driver was in a hurry to pick up another order (we can get offers for a second order if we’re within 5min of arriving at our current order), and since he couldn’t find your house he lied and marked it delivered so he could move on.

Who eats the cost?

On my single failed delivery, I kept my delivery fee and my tip. So GrubHub ate that cost. Who eats the cost of the food? GrubHub does. The restaurant’s contract is to hand off to the driver. If they do that, they get paid. GrubHub gets like 30% the list price of the food as commission so they’re only paying 70% when they eat the cost of a failed delivery.

>>15675144
In some subdivisions or neighborhoods, there are houses with identical numbers to yours on a parallel street. It may have been delivered to a house on a different street.

>>15675155
so they get money from delievery fees and part of the food price. And they don't really pay the drivers much, which seems like their only real expense. They expect tips to pay their drivers.

It seems like no tip is the way to go. Victimless crime

>>15674568
Extremely based

>>15675144
Marking a delivery as made then going home and eating the food is the gig economy equivalent of ducking out an hour early when the boss isn't in.

>>15675162
>>15675144
Imagine you live in a house on Lot 16, red circle, whose address is 813 Enward Ct. The driver takes a wrong turns and turns early onto Kayward Ct. He doesn’t check the street sign. He looks for number 813 and sees the house on Lot 34 (blue circle) has 813. He double checks the number in the app. He drops the food off, his GPS is close enough to your house that the GH Drivers app believes him when he clicks “arrived.”

>>15675234
yeah well fuck the driver. He is making the big $7 a hour not to make those mistakes. The app does all the directions. The car does all the driving. His only real work is making sure it is correctly picked up and delivered.

>>15675234
I use doordash and they always call if they get confused. If he didn't call then that's on the driver for not calling.

>>15675248
Yes, it’s his mistake, and it’s a bad one that ruins it for the customer. But I’m just explaining the bad reasoning behind why the order might have been delivered to a neighbor’s house not on the same street

>>15675258
I’m not justifying his mistake, I’m just explaining why the driver might have dropped it at a nearby address, but when >>15675144 checked his neighbor’s porches there was nothing, because it was on a different street

>>15675155
>If the driver spends time driving around your area, then marks it as delivered, I suspect one of your neighbors had the meal dropped at their door, and your driver picked the wrong house.
He circled the surrounding couple blocks multiple times so I’m curious if he just said “fuck it”.
Thanks for the insight though.

>>15674568
You got to ask if the delivery charge isn't paid to your driver then what is it for?

>>15675345
That’s also very possible. I always double check the numbers on the house and on my app, and I would NEVER mark an order delivered if I hadn’t actually delivered it.

But that’s me. 30% of delivery drivers have sampled customer’s food at some point. I would never but there are lots of bad drivers

>>15675206
>It seems like no tip is the way to go. Victimless crime
Yeah, I’m starting to wonder what the incentive is for tipping with a “general” food delivery service.
Like if you’re a regular customer at a dine-in restaurant, and leave good tips, it only takes a couple visits for the staff to know you’re a “good tipper”, and you get amazing service, occasional free shit, stronger drink-pours, etc.
and if you do the same ordering from a restaurant that does it’s own deliveries, you start getting quick ass deliveries.
But it seems with GH it’s possible to always have different drivers, so “tipping history” is meaningless.

>>15675234
This only makes me want to not tip even more if they can't call to make sure.

>>15675381
The only incentive to tip well on GrubHub is to get your order faster. A bad tip (<$5) will get your order passed over by a lot of drivers before it’s accepted, adding up to half an hour of wait time, especially during rush

>>15675356
>if the delivery charge isn't paid to your driver then what is it for
Price-adjustment and marketing.
Ex: you and bob own pizza joints across the street from each other. You both have the same base $5 cost to make a pizza, your quality is identical, and you both want to make $10 on a pizza.
You sell your pizza for $15 with free delivery.
Bob sells his for $11, with a $4 delivery fee.
Bob now has some big advantages over you; first, he can advertise his pizza as being cheaper than yours. people will perceive ordering pizza from him as a better deal, as it’s well known in advertising that most people don’t consider fees/tax as part of the product cost. So he’ll get a ton more delivery orders than you.
Secondly, he’s gonna take all of your carryout customers, because they aren’t gonna pay you $15 when they can get his at a “deal” for $11. Sure he’s making less profit on those customers, but he’s still profiting while getting more volume and hurting the competition.

That’s a gross over simplification but it’s the basic idea.
tl;dr - delivery fees are mostly for making joe public feel like he’s getting a better deal on product being delivered, and also incentivizes carryouts.

>>15674437
*declines*

i give em 5 bucks

I'm so glad my country has a real minimum wage instead of a retarded passive-aggressive tipping culture

>>15675084
In australia no-one tips. The apps didn't even put tipping in until recently and they still don't show up tips until after the delivery is made.

What is the difference between grubhub, doordash and ubereats. Which one should I use

>>15674568
enjoy the spit in your food :)

>>15674411
>Spends $50 on fast food.
>Thinks hes saving money by not throwing in a $5 tip.
Typical NEET/Incel thinking right there...

>>15674568
Why do businesses think I feel guilty for them not paying their employees enough?

>>15674583
I get at least one free delivery coupon a week from a number of apps, on average. It's really not that hard to find.

>>15674789
>he's never heard of promotional offers before

>>15674411
>Pajeet/Tyrone/Shaniqua/Muhammed is on their way with your food
>tip amount: $0

>never tip
>food gets delivered in 30 minutes at a good temperature anyways
I cannot imagine living in some souless shithole like the USA

>>15675825
I do too but then the "service fee" is $5.49 anyway so it's still not any kind of deal, all three of the big delivery apps pull this, plus they mark up all the menu prices on everything ($11 for a big mac combo before any fees/tip)

>>15675844
>not sending a tip to ICE

>>15675818
the business isn't putting these on retard.

>>15674797
>I take my sweet ass time getting to you
>not because of me
Give this guy a gold medal for his mental gymnastics

>>15674870
>We used to be able to see the tip amount after accepting the order, but now we don’t see it until we pick up the order.

So now you're expected to tip before you even receive your food? American tipping culture is nuts.

>>15676539
>So now you're expected to tip before you even receive your food?
It’s more a result of fewer and fewer Americans actually carrying cash; especially those already using a card for an online order.
You’re free to select “cash tip” option when ordering food.

>>15676585
Meant to add; I’m not defending the practice itself, I’m just saying it’s more of a transactional logistic thing rather than “cultural”.

Tipping should be for exceptional service, not people doing their job. The USA is crazy in this regard.

>>15676600
>Tipping should be for exceptional service, not people doing their job
Well yeah, that’s the intent.
But how are you gonna enforce that? It’s up to the individual to decide how much, if anything, to tip.
If someone tried to hand you an unwarranted amount of extra money simply for doing your job, would you refuse it?

>>15674834
This is why Uber Eats is better. It makes no sense for the app to make you pick a tip amount BEFORE they've delivered the food

I have never had anyone say anything about me never tipping, nor have I ever noticed anything tampered with or out of the ordinary. I think the whole "they'll fuck with your food if you don't tip!" thing is a huge urban legend type thing desu

>>15676684
GrubHub just changed it so that you can add more tip after delivery if you want. But again what drivers see is that first offer price.

>>15675234
>Enward
>Kayward

>>15674411
Anyone who's lived in both a country that does tip and doesn't tip could tell you this, but countries without a tipping culture always have better service than those that do. Something about tipping culture builds a mentality in waiters/waitresses that they are worth more than they actually are (all they do is carry plates from the kitchen to the table, imagine tipping for something that a child could do), and they start acting like they're better than their customers as a result. American tipping culture really has to go.

Why would I ever pay 30% over and above for some shitskin to doddle while my food gets cold? Not to mention there's the chance that they touch my stuff. I hate food delivery shit with my entire being.

>>15674411
>being a lazy fat fuck

>>15675671
Nah man you gotta spit in it before it goes in the oven, if you do it during delivery it'll be obvious

>>15675671
*calls health inspector*

>>15675661
Grubhub has deals that make you want to boogie

>>15674568
I hope you like pubes under your cheese

>>15674568
maybe you should start paying the delivery fee to the driver then you slimy semite?

>>15678501
as if you had any agency or competence to do of that, you will tip or get your food fucked with, insect

>>15678554
>Y-you will tip or get your food f-FUCKED with... insect
Get a better job lmao

>>15678563
not that you would notice it, none of the other people did :^)

>>15678554
It's not the good old days gramps. A simple DNA swab and 5 minute test of my food will have you humiliated as deceitful scum with a black mark whereever you apply for next.

>>15678576
do you always LARP or is it just on 4chan?

No one is getting their fastfood DNA tested, and unless you're paying out of pocket, no lab is going to bother doing it for you. And even if you DID, proving it was malicious instead of a bonafide accident would be pretty much impossible, no court would bother taking the case based on that alone. You could MAYBE do something in small claims court and win summary judgment because no one from the pizza place bothers to show up. But that's about as good as you could expect. Probably wouldn't even pay for DNA testing.

>>15678576
just accept the fact that youre eating spit and boogers or pay up its that simple

>>15678586
>>15678570
>implying I have to prove you spit in my food
>implying I can't just say you complained at the door about your tip and that's why I think you did it
>implying your boss won't throw you under the bus to save face after
>implying you're not LARPing and actually had the balls to fuck with someone's food
Here's a tip: learn a trade LMAO

>>15678628
Why learn a trade when most people are just working delivery jobs to help pay for college?

>>15674778
>Waaaaah my job for literal teenagers doesn't pay me enough!
Even if driving is literally your only skill, you can easily make a good living doing literally anything else. I might tip a young kid doing his first ever job, but if you're a grown man, and you still deliver pizzas, I'm not going to support your poor life choices.

>>15674802
I deliver through doordash and I definitely see your no tipping ass before I decide to pick it up or not. You're only hurting yourself and dumbass drivers doing that, anyone with half a brain will see an order without a tip and just ignore it.