/ck/ - Food & Cooking

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No I have a pot and a stove

>>15654994
>>15655011
The duality of CK

>>15654994
>canadian has a rice cooker
of course...

Fuck yeah I do. I also have their bread machine.

>>15655011
And I have better rice.

>>15655035
Yeah well people that are not Asians don't care that much about 'having better rice'

Nope, just some $40 model. I do 90% white rice and whether it's plain, Spanish rice, or whatever other hodgepodge of ingredients I feel like, it does me just fine. If I were more into rice I'd probably upgrade, but right now I'd rather go for a stand mixer and/or a food processor.

My pressure cooker has a rice setting. Why would anyone buy a rice cooker when they can get a pressure cooker

>>15655059
Because Chinese people living in the west are so focused on their own culture that they don't realize that people around them don't eat rice every day. And they have no need for a pressure cooker since they're ONLY cooking Chinese food.

>>15655070
Can you not use a pressure cooker for Chinese food

I don’t know how to make Chinese food

>>15655059
Because it isn’t going to produce as good of rice as a machine designed solely for making perfect rice.
Anyone who loves rice is going to be better served by a rice cooker.

>>15655085
It has a rice setting

>>15654935
I have a 10 year old $30 aroma combo unit. I use the rice cooking, steaming, and slow cooking functions all the time and never have any problems or lackluster rice. My friend has a zojirushi and if he wanted to trade I probably wouldn't at this point. Zojirushi seems like a rice cooker for gearfags

>>15655097
My parents’ instant pot has a rice setting as well, and it makes decent rice. But it isn’t as good as what comes from an actual rice cooker.

>>15655035
And I have 600 dollars saved

Tiger is superior in every way.

>>15655160
>ZOJI
Does it really cost that much? For something that cook a single ingredient?
I'd rather buy a Thermomix for that price, it does everything, including rice.

>>15654935
Just so you know, it's not zoji-rushi, it's zou-jirushi (象印, 'elephant mark').

>>15655190
But the rice is worse. You buy the rice cooker to have really good rice.

Yo Zoji-bros, anything to look out for when buying used? You guys notice any issues or problems to check for?

>>15654935
2cups liquid to 1cup rice. simmer, covered for 20min

i thought this was a cooking board

>>15655212
>But the rice is worse.
I doubt it is. Have you ever try it? It has a computing processor inside and use advanced model to cook everything perfectly. I trust German engineering over Japanese gadgets.

>>15655024
I'm not Canadian?

I live outside of Washington DC.

>>15655226
I’d only worry that the previous owner didn’t properly clean it or take care of it.

>>15655236
>It has a computing processor inside and use advanced model to cook everything perfectly
Okay, now imagine the same thing. Only 100% dedicated to cooking rice to perfection, designed by and for people who eat rice daily.
I’d trust Japanese autism over German autism when it comes to cooking rice.

>tfw have the zoji cheapo one-button model
i am but an ashigaru in a tale of daimyo

What has society come to where people are convinced they need unitaskers for the most inane activities?

>OH NO I CANT BOIL SOME GRAINS BY MYSELF

i do, but i left rotting rice in it for too long once and made it smell like death. i haven't looked at it in over a year. i don't know if it's still safe to use.

>>15655278
Some people like having great rice.
If that’s not something you care about, then of course there’s no point in your having one.

>>15655288
Just sanitize it with boiling water... I can't believe that some people are so unpractical.

>>15655300
Well, if one is too lazy to learn how to boil grains properly, I honestly don't know what to say.

>>15655226
Idk, if you're worried about condition you'd want to make sure the non-stick surface of the actual pot isn't all scratched up, and you'd want to be sure that the electronics actually work. Maybe ask if you can just put some water in it and turn a cycle on to see that it gets hot

>>15655253
Technically Canadians are outside Washington DC hmm......

>>15655323
He's not sure at what temperature he needs to program the water for it to boil.
And he can't find the remote control for his pan.

>>15655341
No, I live in Potomac, a few miles north of DC.

>>15655347
You can't beat me

>>15655316
>accusing people of being unpractical in a rice cooker thread

>>15655323
You seem to be under the false impression that the entire population of Japan doesn’t know how to cook rice.
You also seem to be under the false impression you’re able to make rice that even approaches what a rice maker does.

>>15655374
What do you think exactly a rice cooker do besides heating water? Everything you can do with a rice cooker you can do with a simple pan and proper techniques.

>>15655374
>You seem to be under the false impression that the entire population of Japan doesn’t know how to cook rice.
Given how prevalent convenience stores are in Japan, I honestly doubt that even 10% of them actually knows how to cook anything that isn't a microwavable meal packet.

>You also seem to be under the false impression you’re able to make rice that even approaches what a rice maker does.
I am able.

>>15655288
Wtf just put the inner pot in the fucking dishwasher lol, and wipe down the metal disk on the underside of the top with like a soapy cloth

>>15655394
And it isn’t as good.
You’re literally saying spending extra effort for an inferior result is somehow good.

>>15655403
>I am able
You are not. Sorry.

>>15655356
I easily beat you in upload, and download is only that low because at least 3 people are streaming 1080p or 4k youtube/netflix/D+ etc at the moment.

>>15655477
>spending extra effort
Are you the CEO of a multibilion dollar company that your time is so valuable?

I don't mean to offend you, but you sound like you suffer from Dunning-Kruger. I'll simply ignore whatever you say from now on, because you are not mentally or intellectually sound. Seek help.

no I have a TOSHI

Tiger for me. It just werks

>>15655554
You’re the one whose literally being smug about eating inferior rice.
>Dunning-Kruger
I love that term; the only people who unironically use it are projecting faggots.

this is the rice equivalent of dudes fighting over whether a katana or zweihander is superior

>>15654935
No. I get by fine on a $20 cooker and don't cook rice frequently enough to justify the cost of a zoji.

>>15655576
Tiger for me, too.
Probably get a Cuckoo if the Tiger ever breaks, but the thing seems pretty solid.

I have the regular zoji, are the pressure cooking ones worth the fast cooking time? Sometimes i want to make rice for work but I can't in a zoji because they take like an hour for white rice.

>>15655594
>$900 for a machine that boils rice

>>15655853
That's yen not dollars moron

>>15655868
Which is approximately 850 dollars.

>>15655853
That’s a bargain.
Here’s what Koreans get to pay for a top Japanese rice cooker converted over to their meme voltage.

>>15655554
>CEO of a multibilion dollar company that your time is so valuable?
No, but a $200 rice cooker is cheaper than me dropping everything else for a year to become a junior apprentice rice chef and learn enough of the nuances of cooking really good rice in a pot.

I've tried; it's ok, but the rice cooker comes out better. For $200, I bought the cheat code, and it was worth it to me.
I don't want the labor pains, I just want the baby.

>>15655828
>Sometimes i want to make rice for work but I can't in a zoji
Why not use the time function? That’s literally what it’s for.
Set it before you go to bed, and tell it when you want the rice to be done.

>>15655880
> their meme voltage.
You mean first world voltage, right ?

>>15655230
same here, I have had rice out of a dedicated cooker at the restaurants I worked at and couldn't tell a difference than what I made at home on my stove. shit isn't rocket surgery

>>15655882
>become a junior apprentice rice chef and learn enough of the nuances of cooking really good rice in a pot.

>>15655880
Is that a bear cooker

>>15655907
surely you noticed that food service rice cookers are just big ass versions of $20 cookers, right?
I mean yeah, it’s ancient tech that automates a pot.
That’s why a huge ass restaurant rice cooker is cheaper than an even midrange home model.

>>15655925
Restaurant versions often have a partly pressurized lid.
You can get the exact same technology in home size from Tiger and a few other manufacturers for around $100, if you don't care to spend a few extra dollars for micom/fuzzy and multiple cooking modes.

>>15655278
I eat upwards of 2 cups of rice a day. Spending all that time babysitting rice on the stove gets old fast

>>15656245
Not to mention the timers are GOAT, being able to have it soak for a good 30-45 minutes THEN start cooking is based as fuck.

>>15655026

What's all that fungus shit in there?

>>15655973
>micom/fuzzy
The micom/fuzzy is where the biggest difference lies though, and typically isn’t present in foodservice models.
The jump from a basic fuzzy to a top-end IH/pressure model is noticeable, but not nearly as drastic as the jump from a “dumb” cooker to a a basic micom/fuzzy. Especially when cooking shortgrain, which is what they’re dialed in for.

>>15656268
The intelligent timers are badass. I love the fact that I can tell my cooker when I want the rice *done*, and it figures out what it has to do to make that happen with perfect results.

>>15655226
I bought mine used, works totally fine I guess maybe ask to see under the pot to make sure nothing crazy happened. or the nonstick shit is falling off.

>>15655035
No you don't. You have a slightly easier way to make rice, but the end result isn't a higher quality.

Yeah but its the super old basic bitch model from like 2009. But I figure since I paid $110, and have gotten close to 12 years out of it it was totally worth it and will buy another Zoji when this one shits the bed.

>>15656303
>micom/fuzzy is where the biggest difference lies though, and typically isn’t present in foodservice models.
Foodservice models are typically used at full capacity, every batch.
The cook can dial in the ratios.
This variety rice, measure so much rice, wash this way, water to this line, go.
They can adapt the batch recipe to the machine to get consistency and quality.
Batch done, pull rice pot, drop into matching warmer, start next batch.

Home users benefit from micom because it adapts the heat/time to the varying batch size and rice type.

>>15656494
>the end result isn't a higher quality
100% wrong. Sorry. It is much better than anything you make on your stove.

>>15656557
You won't find samsung product lasting over 10 years.

>>15656620
I'm sorry you're too retarded to cook something as simple as rice in a pot.
Pic related is actually the way to get the best quality rice. It's not a huge difference, and I can understand that people would rather just use a rice cooker for convenience. But it's still better rice than any rice cooker.

>>15656557
You're gonna be waiting a while bud. My neighbor still uses his daily. Says he bought it in the mid 1980s.

>>15656662
I’m sorry you think perfect rice is so simple.
But you’re clearly a faggot for asserting a bamboo steamer basket is the best rice cooking tool.
I’ll keep enjoying my superior rice, and you can keep enjoying being smug about having worse rice.

>>15656630
>>15656751

I dont mind if it never breaks desu. It does all I need it to even if it is just a one switch machine. Plus it feels fucking solid, which having held a bunch of other brands, I cant really say the same for. Like this would be a hefty melee weapon.

>>15654935
I have never purchased rice for cooking.

>>15655226
>wash with alcohol swabs
>rinse with water
>run 1-3 runs of water or rice that you are not gonna eat
id do that

yes. its amazing.

>>15655278
if you eat rice a lot why on earth wouldn't you get one. nearly every single asian family has one, having a rice cooker isn't some elitist pretentious position to take. you aren't special because you cook rice on a stove either, holy fuck.

seriously why do rice cookers piss people off so much, it makes no sense at all.

>>15657261
its poor white people who can't justify the purchase and as a result cannot concede that rice cookers make better rice.

I don't have their rice cooker, but I have a thermos made by zojirushi and it's some space age stuff. I can't believe Americans get jewed into yeti when this thing is half the price and weighs way less.

any recs on models? what's "good enough". Seems like the pressure feature is overkill.

>>15657418
Even the cheaper neuro fuzzys are very good

>>15657418
just get a rice cooker from your local supermarket. Like 20 dollars and is no different from the autistic 400 dollars japanese ones.

no i have a stainless steel pot

>>15657418
I've got the IH+Micom model on the top right, and it's very good for my purposes. I can't speak to the lower tier models, but my parents had a lower end non-micom/fuzzy rice cooker when I was a kid and this feels like a pretty good step up from the quality there

>>15657478
why do lies spill so easily from your lips? you might think it's not worth the price and that's fine but they produce measurably different rice.

how do you replace the battery when it eventually dies?

>>15655316
not everything dies in boiling water. make him autoclave it

>>15657418
>deliciousness 4 stars
the absolute state of the asian consumer

>>15655226
God I hate OfferUp, LetGo was so much better

>>15657418
I have the top middle IH+Micom one >>15654994
I've had it around 4 weeks now and it's great. Though the cheaper Micom only units are good too.

>>15657418
I have the middle one on the second row. The inner pot has handles so I can lift it easily without burning my hand, and I believe it's the only model listed here that has the inner pot handles.

>>15657610
Fucking offerup banned my account before I even sold anything on it. No explanation given. My only guess is they might have flagged some of the items I put up as potentially stolen or something since the boxes were sealed.

>>15657418
If you plan on making rice regularly for more than 3 people, a 5.5 cup ("10") size or larger is suggested.
I had to upsize from a 3 cup when person #4 turned 3 years old.

As to the naysayers, there is a reason why PID type controllers have replaced the "bang-bang" temperature controllers in industrial applications. Micom offers that sort of non-stupid heat control to rice cooking, and it really is better than the $20 thermostat. It switches off the heat just before the pot goes dry, instead of just after... so less scorched crispy rice at the bottom.

IH should offer few advantages at 3 cup ("05") size, but is probably very noticeable at 10 cup ("18") size.

If you aren't making rice 3+ times a week, learn to measure and bake it in a toaster oven.

>>15657901
good post

>>15654935
I have a YUMA.

Made pasta within 10 minutes this morning.
Shit's cash.

>>15658300
>Made pasta within 10 minutes this morning.
Is it impressive?

>>15658347
Usually it's about 15 minutes with my regular induction stove.

Not its biggest feat but it's imply a convenience machine.

>>15657901
Thanks this is very helpful.

>>15654935
>imagine buying a $200 device to do what a $5 pan can also do

Even if you insist on using a rice cooker, they usually cost like $20

>>15658409
Not everyone is a NEET anon. Some people have money for nice things.

We can have this discussion all day but the thing is tha the convenience of a good rice cooker is well worth it.

>>15658416
I have money for nice things exactly because I don't squander my money on frivolities like a stupid jap rice cooker. Cooking is preferably done with the simplest tool that gets the job done. You're probably a NEET yourself kiddo
>t. 29yo boomer

>>15658429
Good rice is a nice thing. What are you trying to convey?

>>15658442
That a decent cook doesn't need to spend hundreds of dollars on a crutch. Just using a pot and stove gives you all the control you need and more than even the most elaborate pre-programmed device

>>15658462
This is pure fantasy

>>15658462
A rice cooker is a lot better for cooking for large groups (a restaurant I worked in had one, for example) and while I don’t own one I think it sounds very convenient to not have to check the rice while it’s cooking. Whenever I cook rice I get stuck in the kitchen checking on it

Any love for tiger out there? I have a basic tiger that I’ve had since freshman year of college which is eleven years ago now. Still makes great rice.

>>15658429
You eat inferior rice to what I eat.

>>15655035
What do you mean you got lice?!

>>15658846
You eat inferior bread to what I eat, and I don't spend a thousand box on making my bread.

>>15658372
>induction stove.
You have to go back

>>15658873
shut up fat. Go light your camp fire, or at least check if your house hasn't exploded

>>15658429
You probably don't have that much money for nice things because if you did then you would'nt be here argueing with people who spend their money on good cooking appliances. Luxury rice cookers are basically cheap, powerful, versatile pressure cookers who get a lot of stuff done quicker and with less hassle than the alternative. So again for people who eat lots of rice it's a great choice.

>>15658429
you just waste your time cooking rice when a cooker would do a better job for you.
yeah, you're a poorfag coping

>>15658429
this is something that people without money say to think they're smart. it's like the "stop buying Starbucks" for middle class people that want to pretend they're wealthy.

>>15658964
Yeah but let's be real here, starbucks is overpriced and trash.

>>15658409
>imagine buying a $200 device to do what a $5 pan can also do

A $5 pan doesn't do shit by itself.
You need technique and ability.

The rice cooker requires much less technique and ability. 2 scoops rice, water to 2 line, push button.
You can spend your time studying rice and attending its cookery, or you can buy a machine that does a very good job and spend your time on more important things.

You're not paying the extra $195 to get a better pan, you're paying the extra $195 to get back 30(+) minutes of free time for every batch of rice. At minimum wage, that rice cooker is breakeven at a year with 1 batch a week.

>>15659360
>that rice cooker is breakeven at a year with 1 batch a week.
and realistically if you're spending $200+ on a rice cooker, you're eating rice far more often than that.

I paid $255 for my rice cooker and I eat rice 3-5 times a week.

>>15654935
Tiger, Made in Japan no frills model with a steam basket option which I actually use sometimes.

>>15660454
No problem bro.
Tiger is equal to Zoji. Almost every year they trade places as to who has the best top end rice maker in Japan.

>>15660475
Pansonic is generally considered the best along with Tiger at least for the past few years.

Zoji has become a bit of a budget option.

>>15654935
No I have a 20$ rice cooker I bought from a chink and It works amazing. And thats coming from a literral african that ate rice all his life and is anal about his grain.

>>15655226
Got a Neuro Fuzzy NCC18 model from the thrift store back in early 2019 for 7 bucks.
the owners didn't clean or take care of it properly but it functioned perfect and after some cleaning it's been my workhorse for the past couple years.
I'd buy that listing anon.

>>15661211
*ZCC18, sorry

>>15661158
What type of rice is most common in your part of Africa?

>>15654935
1 cup rice
1.5 cups water
1-2 tablespoons olive oil
Push rice button
Set to 5 minutes
When 4 minutes left on timer, turn it off.
Wait ten minutes.
Perfect rice every time.

>>15661381
Whatever kind the chinks import en masse here. Cant tell you the name desu I just know what bags to get at the chink's. Usually its thai rice grown in the battambang region. Most of the time we buy broke grain. Its actually pretty nice. Slightly sticky with a nice chew. Very different from the slop they feed euros. In a completely different category from whatever the fuck that is. Uncle ben's is a fucking disgrace. If you've ever had quality basmati its less perfumed less dry and chewy and a bit stickier. Basmati tends to not stick at all when this kind can have a couple grains stuck together. It's THE nigga rice. Every west african knows the rice I'm talking about and its the taste of africa. You can visit africans who live abroad and they'll have the exact same kind because there simply is no substitute.
Some old folk there like it overcooked until it starts to form little balls of stuck rice. I think its fucking awful and no one but them do it that way.

>>15661455
zoji is better

>>15661560
>>15661455
>Oil in rice
Oh yeah thats how africans do it too. Actually its one tablespoon peanut oil and one tablespoon coarse salt in 3 cups of rice. That with the correct grain gets you nigga rice.

>>15661560
Neat. I don't come from a rice culture but when I do make it, I tend to make either something approximating sushi rice or Indian style saffron rice with basmati. I haven't had a ton of African food, but I did have some jollof rice homemade by a Nigerian once and it was pretty good shit

>>15661856
>jollof
Very time consuming to make and definitly requires the right kind of rice. That guy wanted you to eat good. We have our own version here made with special smoked and dried fish cooked in the sauce. Stuff is completely illegal everywhere but where its made and the only way to get it abroad is to get it smuggled or have connections. Honestly in my top 10 of fish related foodstuffs.

If you want to try an african rice dish the easiest is probably yassa. Goes well with basmati.
You only need lemons onions (a lot) bayleaf mustard 4 chicken drums or thighs chili and 1 or two stock cubes.
The trick it to let the onions marinate with the onion chili and mustard to kill the acidity and bitter compounds. Toss the chicken in there while you're at it too and let it marinate for a day. You need about enough onion to fill 3/4 of a dutch pot when sliced and the juice of two lemons. Add a tablepoon of dijon mustard and two tablespoons of oil and If you want extra taste add cumin tumeric and a litlle bit of fennel. then leave to rest in the fridge for a day.
When you cook it first scorch the chicken to get a bit of color but dont cook it all the way. Then set aside and put the onions lemon bayleaf and stock to deglaze the pot. You can add a bit of water if its overly thick.
By the end it should have the consistency of something between jam and a sauce. Once the onion is nearly melted lower the flame and finish cooking the chicken.
Voila ! Serve on top of rice and be satisfied ! Don't hesitate to have an heavy hand with the chili and spices.

no, because my 20 year old panasonic still works.

How's your friday night going, zoji bros?

>>15654935
What else can it cook? I already have a $20 rice cooker, if I'm going to buy this it needs to serve a purpose.

>>15663016
It does japanese short grain rice, perfectly.
It does brown rice, it does long grain rice, it does GABA brown rice, it does steel cut oats, it does sushi rice, and some models can do sweet rice, rice porridge, cakes, and sometimes a steamer basket for veggies and shit.

>>15655278
Hey asshole, cooking perfect rice is really difficult, and if I want rice for breakfast, I sure am not going to bring out my pot.

>>15655230
came here to say this

>>15655278
If you eat rice with the majority of meals the convenience is awesome.
Perfect rice just pushing a button, one less thing to worry about while you prepare the rest of your meal.
I had a Nigerian girl saying the same thing as you "you Americans need a gadget for everything' she ended up loving the damn thing so much.

>>15654935
no I have a white label clone of it that does the same thing and costs a quarter as much

>>15662051
Thanks for the recipe, I'll check it out

>Very time consuming to make and definitly requires the right kind of rice. That guy wanted you to eat good.
It wasn't really made for me specifically, I was just along for the ride. A friend of mine was good buddies with the promoters for a Nigerian rapper who was here doing a show, and I ended up at the afterparty where someone had a big feast prepared

>>15655590
Neither is, like all weapons they're more contextual than general. The concept of general-use items is modern, before the factory system all objects were of a bespoke nature. In this case the primary context is armor and the resources used to make it, Japan is a very iron-poor island, they get their iron from iron-rich volcanic sand that while plentiful takes three times the amount of fuel to turn into steel. Consequently metal items were of very high value, and as such metal was generally not used as armor, naturally leading to a strong preference for more gracile weapons intended for injuring flesh and cleaving or piercing lacquered wood armor. In Europe, however, iron ore was plentiful and combat therefore took place in the context of thick metal armor, naturally leading to a strong preference for heavier weapons that could penetrate the armor or, more likely, simply knock the other person flat on their ass. Real combat between these two styles would see the samurai in defensive retreat whereupon they would begin to rely on tactics like night raids, attacking civilian infrastructure and burning crops to win through stealth and attrition.

Oh and you're probably understimating human mobility in full or field plate, yes, dark souls ass rolling is entirely possible and probably got used a lot.

I don't know why I wrote that but it was fun. Anyway I do have a zoji, it's old but still works perfectly. It's most useful feature is that it keeps the rice warm and does so with a very precisely calculated gentleness that lets it last as long as possible without ever being lukewarm. It's a good buy if you eat a lot of rice, I guess?

culinary weebs

>>15665232
>he can’t afford a japanese rice unitasker
Embarrassing

I really enjoy this timeline, where the simple subject of cooking rice can generate autistic screeching from 2 opposing camps: one that has a machine, and the other that doesn't have a machine.

I, for one, am thankful for late stage capitalism's ability to make everyone into a mindless drone that can't understand that people do different things differently and that's okay.

Do you like cooking rice on a rice cooker cooker? Great.

Do you like cooking rice on the stove? Great.

I like instant rice...
goes well with cup noodles

>>15665264
To be fair, it's only one camp that's being antagonistic.

No one with a rice cooker is telling anyone here it's impossible to make rice on the stove top, simply that a rice cooker does it better, and with zero effort.

The stove top morons on the other hand constantly attack someone who buys a rice cooker because CLEARLY they obviously just can't figure out how to cook rice in a pot on the stove.

>>15665264
>>15665403
nice reddit spacing and samefagging

>>15665432
lmao okay chud

Posted almost an hour apart and it's far from the only post in this thread "reddit" spacing.

Also, reddit spacing is a meme to call out newfags, there is no such thing as "reddit" spacing since it's been done here on 4chan (by me and others) since before reddit even existed as a website.

it's just called formatting and style. And I personally prefer larger gaps so it's more readable instead of a massive wall of text.

>>15665432

>>15657418
i've got a neuro fuzzy from probably seven years ago

This is the rice cooker I use.

Cost me about $10 ten years ago.