/ck/ - Food & Cooking

if you're not splitting the bill then she's more interested in the meal than in you.

>>15446576
>Excuse me for a moment, nature calls
>Walk outside, get in car, leave
>Dumb thot now has to call an Uber and pay for my steak and lobster

>>15446594
based

>>15446576
If she looks like a serious potential mate, pay for the meal. It's a dated convention but you don't want to come across as a cheapskate. If it's just a casual date or you're not sure then >>15446594

>>15446576
If your first date is a restaurant then it’s a boring fucking relationship anyways, might as well have been married for 20 years already and stopped having sex 18 years ago.

>>15446576
If you ask her out she’ll be expecting you to pay. Even if she does the little reach for the bill, let’s be honest, she’s still expecting you to pay the whole bill. If you let her split the bill you probably won’t be getting a second date unless she’s that desperate.

>>15446576
Offer to pay
Not just on dates but in general, at least if you know they'd do the same with you

>>15446576
Ask the other party what they're comfortable with. I've met people are offended when you do pay and others who expected to split. Just talk. You'll be having a lot of uncomfortable talks after this one if it goes well so get into the habit early.

>>15446622
This guy fucks

>>15446584
Not true all the time. Some women want to know you’re not a cheapskate and “know their worth” and all the bullshit

>>15446648
60% of women surveyed in dating apps have admitted to going on dates just for the free meal.

>>15446612
Are you the type of person who has no depth of thought and nothing to say so needs to jump around like a twit to enjoy himself?

>>15446576
Both.

this is why I'm volcel
dating is ritualistic and makes me feel like we're dumb animals

if women want to have the same power as men used to they should pay every fucking time

>>15446612
Woah hot take from anon here

>>15446594
https://nypost.com/2018/08/28/serial-dine-and-dasher-busted-for-being-notorious-cheap-date/

Hope you enjoy prison.

When the bill shows up, dont even look at it. Just put your credit card on top of it for the waitress. Keep talking and dont let the bill even get mentioned. Dont piss around with cash either

>too poor or cheap to pay for one meal
>wonder why no woman is interested in you
unless you’re in the 1% of chads who look like greek gods you’re gonna need to show your worth sorry

>>15446622
Fuck that.

If I don't get a second date, at least she didn't get a free meal.

I'm not looking to be a beta provider.

If she puts out, then I can pay the next one, however.

>>15446698
>beta provider
you can still be the 1# Man in a Woman's life without being a """beta provider"" anon, get your mind off 4chan. I wouldn't pay for every random Woman you date meal but if you have a serious long term relatioship with someone and you're you're the bread winner/bringing home the bacon/man with the money then its expected of you to provide, and just for your Wife but also for your children Anon
>If she puts out, then I can pay the next one
true lol

>all these seething roasties itt
Kek

>>15446680
sure it is kid

>>15446680
Took me a second to figure out volcel. Sounds like thats the stage after incel.

>go on my first date in years, last year
>offer to take her to some local pizza place, really good food
>hit it off, things were looking good
>she pays for both of our meals while I'm fumbling for my credit card
>this was all around that brief period where cell phone services were getting hacked or something
>and i didn't know it
>attempt to reach out, saying i had a good time and would love to go somewhere again
>no response
>been so burned by women in the past that i don't send any followup
>2 days pass with no response, move on by deleting her number
>month later realize that there was the cellphone hack bullshit

>>15446769
“cellphone hack” sure whatever you need to tell yourself

>>15446743
nah incel is about hating women, volcel is about voluntary human extinction.

>>15446779
https://9to5mac.com/2020/06/15/t-mobile-att-verizon-outage/
This is what I was thinking of.

>>15446576
Ice cream date first split the bill for no pressure on either of u

>>15446693
>Speedy Gonzalez

>>15446693
>screw over 10 women for a total of $1000
>people try to put you in jail for 13 years
america

>>15446680
Im sure it has its perks

>>15446576
The man. ONLY the man.

>>15446680
That's called MGTOW.

The correct term for voluntary celibacy is celibacy (ie. vow of celibacy), by the way. That's why the in- prefix was coined. The the term for virginity with no implication as to whether or not it is by choice is virgin, but people tend to assume it isn't.

>>15446612
Roastie detected

>>15446807
Icecream is a good idea. You don't even need to worry about splitting the bill, it's not like there's going to be appetizers, and drinks, and tips, and everything making it expensive.

>Excuse me, waiter?
>As you can see, I'm on a date with this fine young woman. I demand only the best food and drink.
>You shall be paying.

I pretty much always pay when I go out with anyone. I'd be insulted if someone paid for me regardless of gender or our relationship status.

>>15446612
Truth, it's like you're officially applying to be her backup.

>>15446780
just go and kill yourself. there, you are extinct

>>15447075
That's because you have an inflated ego covering up deepset insecurity, not because you're generous or a good person.

>>15446576
You should, and with anyone you take to a restaurant/bar, whether man or woman. If the frequency/volume with which you have to pay becomes a detriment to your finances, you have too much free time on your hands and probably shouldn't worry so much about dating because the scene will eat you alive

I've been on about 8 dates with this girl since December and I've paid everytime we ate/had coffee. She stopped reaching for her purse after about the 4th time when it was clear I'd be paying from here on out.

To be fair, she is a poor grad student while I make pretty good money.

>>15447142
Death of an individual is not the extinction of a species.

>>15447167
her and her friends are probably making fun of you already

>>15447167
Pedo alert

>>15446576
The person who gave the invitation.

>>15447190
lmao that means the man ppays

>>15447209
If you live a life that puts you around women consantly you'd know that's not true

>>15446663
Yeah because tinder is where you find quality women

>>15447234
>implying not practically everyone is using tinder these days

>>15447242
When you force yourself to only view the world through digital blinders, it can feel like that's all you have in terms of options

>>15447158
>invite someone to go out
>oh, can you cover your own portion? lol

>>15447242
>not old enough to remember when online dating was first commercialized
>not old enough to tell the difference between niche sex access and awkwards looking for life partners
>not old enough to realize it's just a phase for a passing generation's limelight
>not old enough to even @ me
so don't @ me bitch I don't fucking wanna read it i'll shit in your face boy

>>15447158
I tip generously, I donate to charity, and I share what I have because I am very fortunate. God gave me modest wealth and security and I'd like to share it with the world.

>>15447388
right

>>15447388
Based, but only if you give it to people as a leg up not a handout. I hate donating money as handouts.

>>15447167
I hope you guys are official or at least fucked. 8 dates is a lot. You might wanna have that talk with her soon because at this point she might just be enjoying the free meals.

>>15447431
I paid a friend's rent back at the beginning of the pandemic when she couldn't work at her restaurant. I don't like to enable bad decisions, but I like to help out hard working people. I'll give someone $100-200 if they saved up a long time for a vacation trip somewhere because why not?!

>>15447452
Based keep it up.

>>15446576
The girl's father.

>>15446594
I wish I had the nuts to do this king. Wanted to many times.

>>15446780
You think niggers will ever adopt this attitude?

>>15446576
It should be shared, but I paid on my first date with my husband because he was really broken back then.

>>15446594
Pick up, king

>>15447647
Our extinction is not just possible, it’s inevitable: billions of species have come and gone already.

But, will enough of us reach the level of awareness needed to voluntarily reverse our present course toward involuntary extinction? This isn’t likely, which is all the more reason not to create another of ourselves.

Although the odds are against us, we can at least accept the advice attributed to Gandhi, and be the change we want to see in the world.

We’re the only species evolved enough to consciously go extinct for the good of all life, or which needs to. Success would be humanity’s crowning achievement.

May we live long and die out.

>>15446576
Whoever is more desperate.

>>15446576
men must always pay. men are dangerous to be around. women are taking a big risk hanging out with any man, and must be properly compensated.

>>15446648
I do not pay unless we are dating

>>15446693
A 45yo beaner dude had more chance to fuck pussy than the whole 4chan, even tho he pull his small scams.

>>15446715
she pays for her own meal on the first date. end of story.

>>15447745
How long have you been single?

I'll pay for the first date if it's going well but I'll expect to split after that unless there's some sort of special occasion.

>>15447728
M*les should be sterilized

>>15446576
me so i can leave no tip and a note suggesting they get an employer that pays their wages

>>15446576
If you are a man, projecting the ability to pay for 10,000 dates with worthless whores with no fucks given is literally priceless. Once their main concern is to disable this aspect of your life, you know you have someone with skin in the game, and therefore potential marriage material.

>>15447711
Nice reddit tier nihilistic attitude. If humans are such a detriment why don't you be the change you want to see in the world and off yourself

>asking chantards advice about women

I pay for the first and second date, hands down, but I'm likely not taking her to dinner until the third, so it's not really a huge deal. My first date is always a decent bar with some small plates in case they're hungry, but not enough that we're too consumed with food to talk.

That gives us a chance to extend it or bail after 1-2 drinks if shit just isn't working out.

>>15448176
That's a good idea, thanks for the post.

On a first date, the man is supposed to offer to pay, then the woman is supposed to deny that and suggest splitting. Women who don't suggest splitting on a first date are shit-tier and it's a good test of their character.

>>15448445
Always got laid on the first date btw.

>>15448452
Women who fuck on the first date are shit-tier and it’s a good test of their loyalty.

>>15448489
Women who "don't" fuck on the first date, do fuck on the first date. They just don't fuck you.

>>15446648
>Some women want to know you’re not a cheapskate and “know their worth” and all the bullshit
Literally why I stopped giving a fuck about dating.

>>15446576
preferably the rich

>>15446612
ur such a loser

>>15446680
nothing wrong with being a dumb animal
its all anyone ever will be

>>15446684
i agree, i hate women having money and just want to take it away from them

>>15446648
>>15446622
SIMP

Split the meal. You don't owe each other shit yet.

>>15447174
but it is extinction of the individual

>>15446594

>>15447167
>She stopped reaching for her purse after about the 4th
reverse the genders and that was me when i had a gf in HS. she literally would refuse to let me pay for myself and complained about me not putting in any effort later down the relationship for it. it was a lose lose

she later cheated on me

>>15447383
stop posting

>>15447769
this but unironically
i dont see why being a parent is a freedom. people should be forced to take tests to get access to sperm

fuck parents

>>15446576
The government. They should fund dates in order to increase the birthrates and keep the nation healthy.

>>15448846
>Tests for parenthood
Only idiots and people too young to have kids support the state determining who should have kids.

>>15446576
Also govt. Shit in the future they'll be doing it anyway.

>>15448131
It’s hard enough just to get people to consider not breeding. Advocating suicide, by any method besides old age, would be a particularly hard sell. There’s no way we could convince enough people to kill themselves to make a difference, especially after we’re too dead to talk. Suicide doesn’t set an example others will follow.

Death comes soon enough -- far too soon for many of us. After working most of our lives, a dozen years of retirement isn’t too much to ask. Those years may be dedicated to humanitarian and environmental causes.

Shortening an existing person’s life by a few decades doesn’t avoid as many years of human impact as not creating a whole new life—one with the potential for producing more of us. Four people would have to die 20 years early to offset one new human with 80 years ahead of them, unless they breed.

We have a responsibility to help the world as much as we’re able before we die. Leaving the work for others would be irresponsible.

>>15448994
I want to put a baby in your belly, cunt.

>>15446584
this.
always split the bill on the first and second dates.
you pay on the date that you know you're gunna get laid on. you get dinner, she pays for the icecream or bottle of wine you pick up on the way back to your house where you bang her.

>>15446612
realistically this.
first dates need to be something fun and active, not boring small talk in between slopping into a meal.
mate of mine always swears by taking girls rock climbing on a first date.
his logic:
>easy to find and reject the ones who whine and complain
>easy to find out if your girl will /out/ with you
>best way to check and see if her ass and waist is fit to bear your children

>>15446576
I always pay no matter what group I’m in; friends, coworkers, dates. I’ve been making a shit load of money since my early 20s though so in my mind it’s basically rude to scam meals off of people who are happy making like $40k/year.

The IMF

>>15449101
what kind of retarded fantasy is taking a woman rock climbing on a first date?

>>15446576
The man
>wtf why would you pay for a roasty you don't even know if she would put out blahblahblah
you don't date to fuck. you fuck to fuck. if you're taking a piece of ass out on a date you've already lost. you date to find a potential spouse. don't date useless pieces of meat you wouldn't potentially marry, weakblood.

>>15448747
No.

>>15449101
How has that worked out for him? How many kids has he had with his wife?

Don't listen to stupid PUA style comments, moron.

>>15448521
I don’t date whores so I guess you’re right

when did women become so horrible?

>>15446910
and a woman doing the same thing is just normal

>>15449101
It's not a bad idea to invite a girl to do something you like and are passionate about. If you don't like rock climbing though, that's a terrible date. And honestly? I think most people wouldn't be very enthused about climbing as a date unless you met them in the gym or similar athletic activity.

It's all good for that dude if that's his filter, but normally it's easier to learn about each others' passions in something less specific.

>>15447036
it's basically the exact opposite. most women have few interests or hobbies so the thought of a first date not involving going out to eat baffles a lot of them. the first time i'd do anything with a woman socially i would let them pick what to do but it specifically could not be going to a restaurant and they never could think of anything. it was either "idk teehee" or a fucking movie

>>15449101
mostly this but i would tend to go more casual on the physical aspect. ziplining or go kart racing for example

>tfw met my wife in Warcraft 15 years ago, we own our home, and she's still fucking my balls dry every night to this day

>>15449640
Are you Australian and did she move from USA to marry you by any chance?

>>15449656
No, we're both American.

>>15449175
he's happily married to a wife with an amazing ass and they've had 2 kids.
wife and both kids are into rock climbing as well.
he's just waiting for his son to get a little bit older so they can start doing family camping/bouldering trips innawoods.

>>15449163
is it really that obscure and weird of a concept?
if you live in an /out/-ish town fucking everyone does at least skiing, mountain biking, trail hiking, kayaking or rock climbing.

>>15449374
>It's not a bad idea to invite a girl to do something you like and are passionate about
that was his goal i think. too many simp dudes out there who just shack up with any old roastie then complain 3 years later that they have nothing in common.
the proper approach is to find someone who's into the same shit as you or just stay single.
not gunna fucking waste my life with someone who cant appreciate the same things as me.
that just leads to "bitchy wife who controls your life and doesnt let you do fun things" syndrome.
>anon stop playing games and come watch a movie
>anon you're not going to the pub to meet your friends

another mate of mine went out of his way to find a girl that plays D&D.
now they play pen and paper RPGs like 6 nights a week together in different groups.

>>15449438
yeah those are good too. I like going kayaking. literally every woman has already done paddleboard yoga or something similar, so having them sit down in a little boat instead of standing or doing yoga isnt much of a change for them.

>>15447242
>nooo what about your church bible analysis club and homeless shelter volunteering

>>15448994
Sound like you hate your life. Just because you are not breeding, scum like niggers or indians will still fuck like crazy and have 16 stupid children who will contribute nothing, pollute the planet and have 16 children on thei own. It's better to educate yourself, enjoy your life and try to better the world. Then have children on your own who will live by the same principles.
You are not helping the planet, you are just giving up. You are the worst.

>>15449101
My go to was this jazz club/bar. Pretty laid back vibe, relatively cheap drinks, in an area with a bunch of other places to pivot to if the vibe isn't good.

I mean you kinda got to play it by ear though. Maybe there's a cool festival going on or something unique or different. I think it's nice if you can chain things together in an area instead of committing to just one specific restaurant. Daytime maybe meet up for a quick coffee and a walk around the neighborhood. it all depends on where you live too I guess. I used to live in a big city, now I'm in a smaller town but they still have a stretch with bars, antique stores, art shops, restaurants. There's even white water rafting but I think that's a bit excessive for a first date.

I'm just saying a restaurant shouldn't be the only part of a first date.

>spending money on a date
lmao just go for a walk or watch a trial in the courthouse

>not fucking the waiter on your first date
>not getting the tire place across the street to pay
>not getting to-go water in bags
>not tipping the air conditioner
>not eating loads of hay

The guy. Pay for it for a while if you continue to see her. If it’s a good relationship and she’s not a cunt she’ll eventually insist on paying for one and then you finally say “let’s split it :)” Then you’ve moved into split territory and you can go Dutch forever except on special occasions or as a nice surprise.

>>15446594
incredibly based

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/08/29/a-serial-dine-and-dasher-loved-lavish-meals-and-leaving-women-to-pay-for-them-police-say-he-faces-10-felony-charges/

>>15451355
>duded just dump money on her and as a reward after a while she'll go 50/50 :)

>>15451084
Simply increasing the sheer numbers of people who share a philosophy or genetic makeup doesn’t always improve their status. “Breeding wars” between rival groups have shifted political power in a few majority-rule governments, however, members of those groups usually aren’t any better off just by being in a larger voting block. Breeding for power is a remnant of that ancient tradition of mass murder we call genocide. The motivation remains the same.

>>15451402
You would live a better life if you just accepted to be a human, only a bit more intelligent than an animal. You will never be more than that, and what you think is wisdom is nothing more than compensation for your personal failures.

She wanted to split the bill or pay for her own shit since day one. She went so far as to argue on our dates about the bill. Been together for 9 years now.

>>15451365
>making women pay for a meal once is a felony
>making men pay for every single meal all the time is acceptable

>>15451375
If you don’t like it continue being a virgin. Or date some desperate cow I guess.

>>15451700
Imagine needing to pay to get laid

26 and never been on a date or kissed a girl
how do you end a date

>>15451714
depends

>>15451714
rape

>>15446576
She pays. It's only fair if I'm gonna let her suck my girthy niner behind the dumpster afterwards.

>>15451428
Shit or get off the pot, dummy.

>>15451714
blow to the head

>>15451365
America's answer to pretty much everything is either bombs or prisons

you gringos should really stop "having dinners on the first date".
It's basically a hollywood meme.
When I was young, nobody told me what to do on the first date, so I thought having dinner was perfectly ok.
It turns out it wasn't.
The purpose of the first date is to propose to your date and if you are lucky, fuck her that night.
Just have alcohol, no dinner gay shit.

>>15451365
>>15446693
>>15446910
he got 120 days in jail and 3 years of probation in the end. still a lot for 'stealing' $500 worth of food.

>>15451985
>The purpose of the first date is to propose to your date
No, you're not supposed to try to marry every woman you meet.

if you dine and dash together, the deal is sealed

>>15449640
do you still play warcraft?

>>15451301
>watch a trial in the courthouse

>>15446622
that's exactly right. I want her to come with me and have a good time. If I can't afford to pay for dinner I shouldn't be out. same goes for a tip. I still pay for my wife's food and open doors and shit these "modern" girls say they hate but when you do these things for them it conveys respect and a sincere want to be present in their lives. women love that shit and you will to when you do it more.
nice triple dubs.

>>15446698
you sound like a poor faggot.

Not even going to read the other replies.

If you asked her out on a date YOU PAY. Just how it works.

>>15446680
That's totally the reason, eh bud?

>>15447167
As long as you're happy with the "relationship" I don't see a problem here. If she was gainfully employed and didn't offer or insist to pay every once and a while then it would irk me.

>>15452650
what if you didn't ask her out and she did

>>15446576
You never take her to dinner on the first date. A third of all women admit that they just go on dates for free food, they are not interested in the guy. If you want to find out if someone is actually interested in you or just wants free stuff like >>15446622, just take her somewhere cheap but fun/interesting. If she doesn't want a second date, she's not worth your time in the first place and you are not out $100+.

>>15446663
Good thing I met my gf in person and was friends with her for years prior and don’t use Tinder statistics to represent woman, incel.

>>15448176
I would usually do dinner if we had been chatting for a little but beforehand but drinks or coffee is a great first date because the length of time is easily adjustable.

>>15446680
Vocel is when an incel copes so hard he’s actually rewired his brain to believe he rejects woman out of disgust rather than the woman not paying him any mind. It’s pretty amazing how it works.

>>15452692
Honestly, you still grab the check. If she insists on paying offer to split as a compromise.

>>15452692
Who here has been lucky enough to be asked out by an attractive woman? You lucky ducks, you.

>>15447431
Being generous with the needy is part of being a good Christian anon...

>>15452751
why? why des the rule change depending on gender

>>15446680
Sad the amount of bitterness you are getting, but this is a female dominated board. You are not alone, I forget the percentage now but you see the image floating around the boards, more and more men are just tired of playing games and would rather just be alone.

>>15452780
>more and more men are just tired of playing games and would rather just be alone.
lmao no

>>15452765
Just the way things work in the real world. Not even trying to be snarky.

>>15451765
absolute king

I've never paid for a date, always have split the bill and i've had no problems getting laid/having relationships. I didn't think there were men who still insisted on paying and being a simp, I don't need to prove i'm not cheap, she needs to prove she isn't a gold digger. What kind of men use money to impress women? Then again onlyfans exists.

the waiter. establish dominance immediately.

>>15452793
Its true tho, 20% of men are virgins and other 30% of men get most of the women

>>15453175
Cuz ur tall and attractive. Only ugly or manlet men need to throw $$$ at women to get laid.

>>15452780
>more and more men are just tired of playing games and would rather just be alone.
This is me. I've just realized over time that the compromise and bullshit isn't worth the return. I've never been interested in having kids and eventually realized there's no point in a girlfriend or wife unless you want kids.

>>15453498
I want kids but every time I ask a girl out or try to be friendly it just hasn't worked out. tried twice last year

>>15446576
Split the bill.

>>15446576
She should make you dinner to prove her worthiness as a future wife, homemaker, and mother to your children.

>>15453537
What, before you've proven your value as provider and protector? Hardly. Males scream the mating calls and display the tail feathers. That's how it works for most animals, humans not excepted.

>>15446576
>first date at a restaurant
No. First date is a midday coffee and a free/cheap activity, like going to the park, zoo, festival, museum. Something that allows for casual conversation that either can end at any time.

>>15446576
I will order an expensive meal and drinks. If the guy doesn't pay on the spot and leave him with the pill anyway. If you aren't wealthy enough for my tastes then fuck off out of my life.

>>15453550
looks like we're in a standoff

>>15453550
>What, before you've proven your value as provider and protector?
My house containing a well-stocked kitchen full of everything she needs to prepare me a nice dinner should be all the proof she needs.

>>15446594
/thread

>>15446693
why the fuck did the restaurant pick up the check? they should have at least made the girl pay for her own food and then charged the guy with stealing half

>>15453582
you know why

>>15446576
date or not blokes should pay for the meal wherever possible. every woman should be viewed as potential regardless, just because you're not interested doesn't mean you can't plant that seed of desire.

>>15453582
Women are so completely entitled that a man not paying for her food on a date is seen as stealing from her.

>>15449166
This. If all you want to do is fuck, why are you ritualistically pretending to be interested in more than that?

>>15451765
King shit

>>15453611
I do not get your reasoning

>>15453717
Because it's easier to trick women into having sex with you if you pretend to be interested in them as human beings.

i just want to meet a woman who cares for me

>>15453817
SAD!

>>15449101
>wanting your gf to go /out/ with you
no way broseph, I go fishing yo run away from my problems, not bring them with me