/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>15372662
Can't go wrong with Diageo desu.

>>15372745
>Can't go wrong with Diageo desu.
When discussing the worst tasting whiskies? Correct.

>>15372662
Jack Daniels is the world's worst and most overpriced whiskey.

The worst whiskey I've ever tried was Proper 12. I bought a bottle when it first went on sale for shits and giggles. I can't fucking drink it. Then i gave it away to one friend and he gave it back, and said that none of his other friends wanted it either. Then i gave it to another friend who's seemingly has no taste buds as he drinks and eats the worst shit imaginable, well he gave it back too.

McGregor can fight, and good for him for making a new brand for himself, but holy fuck is it a horrible fucking "whiskey"

>>15372795
Yeah that's what everybody says about it.

>>15372849
It just tastes like ethanol with far too much vanilla extract in it. I did describe that to the first friend i gave it to, then i didn't describe the flavor at all to my other friend.

>>15372662
>was suspiciously widenet shilled this in the past week

>>15372858
The Diageo shill army is real, anon.

>>15372779
Jack Daniel's is Tennessee's finest name not only in whiskey but in business and culture as well.

>>15372779
#7 is a meme
Gentleman Jack is a good whiskey
Single Barrels are great

I mean if you compared Heaven Hill bourbon to Elijah Craig Single Barrel, you can see the variety.

>>15372749
>>15372881

What's with the hate on Diageo products?

>>15372897
Poorfags seething

>>15372662
SoCo, although I don't think it's technically whiskey. Otherwise it would be Seagrams 7 or Canadian Club.

>>15372897
Terrible casks, just absolutely ghastly casks.
Chill filtration.
Coloring.
A habit of turning formerly great whiskies into utter shit.
Aggressive online shilling.

accidentally bought a bottle of Lafrooog Select instead of Lafroog 10. The iodine was unbearable.

>>15372900
I'm not poor, and I work for a large liquor company, dealing with Diageo and everyone else. I can't remember all of their catalog but besides jack daniels, their other stuff isn't bad.

>>15372904
>accidentally
How?

>>15372905
Shut up wagecuck.

>>15372904
similar-looking bottle/packaging, They were also next to each other so I guess the bottles were a little mixed up.

>>15372897
>>15372881
>>15372903

Brown Foreman/Campari/HH/BeamSuntory >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sazerac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diageo

Sazerac is a comic book villian, Diageo is eternal Anglo tier.

this shit be was absolutely vile.

now keep in mind there's a lot of whisky I dislike that I can at least use as a mixer in a pinch. JD comes to mind.

but THIS... I recommend you try it just to expose yourself to how bad whisky can be. It will make your outlook on bottles like talisker change drastically.

>>15372924
meant for>>15372909

What's the consensus on George Dickel?

>>15373046
American garbage, avoid.

>>15372662
Not whiskey but I got some store branded vodka from Stater Bros once and I swear to this day it was isopropyl in a bottle. Ive never smelled anything like that since. Worst alcohol ever.

>>15372936
if you'd lurk these threads, you'd know that's a Total Wine brand
used to work there, the Wolcott and Black Feather are the two store-brand bourbons they carry that are worth getting. The Black Saddle 12 is good but too expensive. And the maker's mark barrel picks are fantastic but also pricy

Any of the Bruichladdich single malts. But I think it's a case of me just not liking the super peaty malts. I tried a couple different bottles and they all taste like varying degrees of liquid charcoal. Just not for me.

>>15372662
Old alchy roommate once bought a 750 of Old Thompson, said it was $8. Smelled like nail polish remover and tasted like everclear despite only being 80 proof, just pure alcohol probably colored brown by rust shavings or something

Chad plastic jugs

>>15373532
This comes in glass bottles now, retard.

Bowmore 12 taste like burned plastic to me.

>>15373532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XehwSM9n_Ko

For me, it's Mortlach.

canadian club

>>15373581
i got a bottle of that for secret santa at work this year, and the very next day turned around and gave it as a secret santa gift to a friend

how's woodford reserve?
some anon recommended me it a few months ago as an affordable decent whisky, i'm tempted to order some

>>15373596
the double oak is nice.

>>15373596
I prefer regular Old Forester to regular Woodford, but I hear the double oaked is really good.

>>15372662
It's way better than people give it credit. Morons think it's cool to hate on things.

>>15372662
>it's Talisker
Enjoy your AIDS

do you drink every night?

>>15375604
every morning yes, every night no

>>15372905
Jack is owned by Brown-Foreman

>>15373791
>More expensive than jamesons or bushmill or TDew
>endorsed by a MMA fighter
>not as good as jamesons or bushmill or TDew

New whiskey drinker here. What's the best whiskey for whiskey tonics?

>>15373581
It's my choice of airline liquor to get cutoff from in First Class

It's far from the worst whisky I've ever had but I think abunadh is really overrated

>>15376604
Stick to under $25 750ml.
Bourbon if you want sweet
Rye for dry
Scotch if you want moss and ash

I like Wild Turkey 101 neat and mixed. Old Forester or Evan Williams White Label are great alternatives for cocktail bourbons.

>>15373581
>Hello bitches
>My name is Leuning, Horst Leuning, and this is my cock Big Ben
>And today, we are going to review your vaginal cavity

>>15376652
Thanks, anon!

>>15376652
I used to love Bourbon, until I learned to let the whisky rest on my tongue for a while
Bourbon just doesn't have much subtlety that comes to the surface when the saliva mixes with the esters, oils and alcohols
I always get this luxurious malted chocolate toffee note with Speysides that just can't be replicated
Also, Ardbeg 10 is one of the best whiskies in the world for good reason.

>>15376604
Make sure to not just try Bourbon... try some Irish whiskies (think creme brule or vanilla custard when drinking these -- Jameson/Redbreast are good starting points) and Speyside scotch (you can't go wrong with either Glenfarclas 10/12 or The Balvennie DoubleWood 12 yr old)

>>15376675
>I used to love Bourbon, until I learned to let the whisky rest on my tongue for a while
>Bourbon just doesn't have much subtlety that comes to the surface when the saliva mixes with the esters, oils and alcohols
>I always get this luxurious malted chocolate toffee note with Speysides that just can't be replicated
>Also, Ardbeg 10 is one of the best whiskies in the world for good reason.

>>15376718
is this some
>soiboi
insult?

>>15376654
>*removes panties*
>*sniffs*
>AAAARGH!... its very strong this one... the aromas... like a beached whale in the summertime.... most unpleasant.
>now for the taste
>*swishes for 30 seconds*
>yes! this one is not for the average Joe I think
>something, bitter... like tannins inflused with a high percentage cocoa followed by burnt hair
>jä! I very much do not like this one
>the complexity is very little ant the aftataste is quite long

>>15377268
lmao too many phenols

Which cheap bourbon to avoid?
Making Manhattans and Mint Juleps mostly.

>>15377495
Good: 4 Roses, EW BiB, Buffalo Trace, Wild Turkey, Beam Black

Average: Beam White & Red Stag

Nope:HH, Marshalls and Pennypacker

>>15372662

What about it don't you like?

>>15377530
getting some fancy cola with the Wild Turkey so going with that. thx

>>15377593
good choice

Wild Turkey 101 is my go-to booze. Woodford Reserve Double Oaked for when I only want something neat.

>>15372662
Seagrams 7.

Myers dark rum is still in the lead for worst spirit, by a large margin.

>>15372662
Crown Royal, I had to convince my mom that stuff is bottom shelf garbage with top shelf price tags, since she used to buy it all the time.

>>15372662
Label 5. Have you tried anything other than Talisker OP? It's a pretty good quality scotch, and is far more mild than many islays.

>>15372897
The antishill is mad that Talisker is worse than it was when he was a kid, and it's absurdly expensive where he's at.
The rest of them are staunch believers in the non-chill filtration, no coloring meme. Even though the evidence suggests chill filtration slightly improves / doesn't change flavor, improves texture, coloring doesn't impact flavor, and lack of coloring doesn't sufficiently incentivize additional aging or heavier use of wine casks. Suckers have been greenwashed for too long.

>>15372900
For the age they tend to be cheapest.

>>15377640
talisker is literally the worst scotch in and outside f scotland

>>15373294
Yo didn't try their flagship, the classic laddie? It's unpeated.

>>15372779
Are you attempting a shit test?
Even if it doesn’t appeal to their personal tastes, nobody who’s actually knowledgeable about whiskey considers Jack to be of poor quality.

>>15376638
Have you had any other cask strength exclusively sherry aged whisky?
I've had a few more expensive independent bottlings and they were all better.
I haven't got around to Glenfarclas 105, though that is equally hyped.

Anyway, I think it's a value proposition for the style.
Tbh I think A'bunadh Alba may be better.

>>15377530
Look out for abv reduction. Beam White and Buffalo Trace are lower abv here.

>>15377673
Have you had label 5?
Or for that matter worse Taliskers / blends containing Talisker.

Blended whiskey is the worst, in my opinion.

islays are the ipa's of whisky

>>15377771
I think you mean Highlands.

>>15377683
nope, I'm trying to recall which ones I had, one was in a turquoise bottle, their resurrection 2001 dram? I think? and I had a small half-shot of their limited run Octomore from 2009. Just so overpeated I couldn't deal with it. I had no idea they made unpeated malts though! Good to know.

>>15377673
Accurate post.

>>15377958
Port Charlotte and Octomore are peated. Bruichladdich is unpeated.

>"Hey! Wanna see my ardbeg collection?"

>>15377734
if you are going to value #1, the evan williams BiB really is the best value for whiskey bar none. It's far from my favorite, but it's great cheap whiskey

>>15377629
I bought myers on a whim and mixed it with diet coke
Really liked it, bought a different bottle and it tasted awful.
I think the issue with Myers is that every store's stock of it is old as shit because no one buys it, I had bought freshly stocked stuff the first time.

>>15377634
kek I loved that shit until I went too hard too many times, now I can't smell it without getting nauseous

when Port Ellen is listed in a Blended Malt recipe is it actually old reserves or just a spirit made from their maltings/barrels? even if they were only using a drop of the old juice just so they list it, it would have to be a triple digit priced bottle right?

>>15378180
I don't think you can make value claims outside of your own state, let alone internationally.
It goes for 62 USD here, Beam Black and Wild Turkey go for half that; 4 Roses somewhere in the middle.

>>15378284
Nah Evan Williams is cheap everywhere in the US. If it's 62 where you live that's an extreme outlier, either that or you're retarded

I urge everyone in this thread NOT to buy Am*rican products.

>>15378328
The guy posted Euro prices and I said to watch out for abv reductions. We are clearly not in the US.

how's bt white dog?

>>15373046
Would never trust anything they would make considering they created this monstrosity

>>15378448
this is actually based

>>15378381
>Nose: Funky and spirity. Funky candy corn, sweet corn, vanilla cream, smelly feet. A clean sharp sweetness. Just think of how funky a candy corn flavored drink might smell, that's how funky this is

>Taste: Sweet vanilla cream, banana funk, big funky candy corn, sweet Bourbony corn, green apple, plenty of hot burn. Has a thick and creamy sweet mouthfeel but with tons of zany sharp funk and heat. It's somewhat balanced for what it is, I've had young Whiskies with more offensive spirit-y ethanol than this. The ethanol tends to taste more thin and harsh when it shows up unwanted in a young Bourbon

>Finish: Not really a finish, just continues with the same thick funky-sweet flavors. Big corn funk, sweet vanilla and dessert cream, harsh green apple and building heat

>>15373210
yeah I brought it up in a previous thread and it was one of those "why the hell not?" total wine purchases. and while some of their other private labels are decent THIS was bad on another level

>>15377734
oh ya thats fucked up Buffalo Trace is 80 proof in the UK, I dont understand it

>>15378610
you don't deserve the good shit

Alright you hookers, lets do this.
I've had these three bourbons before, but never side by side. Disclosure: Old Forester is the only one I drink regularly. The Bulleit is the tail end of a 1.75L, WT101 50ml was left opened for a couple of hours before pouring, and the OF100 has been open for a few days. All three pours sat in the glass for about 20min before tasting.
I'm no good at describing smells/tastes. IMO they are all tasty but if I had to rate them:

OF100 >>> Bulleit > WT101

People seem to be shilling Wild Turkey 101 a lot here. It's solid, but out of these three I find that it has the faintest, most uninteresting nose. The Bulleit has more going on in that regard and the OF100 more so. Palate wise I like Old Forester the best, being more on the chocolaty, chalky, tannic side. It's easily the most complex of the three and evolves a bit on the tongue.
Thank you for reading my blog

>>15377495
fucking hell where do you live where alcohol is that cheap?

Had to spit this garbage out

complete shit. proof that money can't buy you taste, and liquor prices are basically random and not any indicator of goodness

>>15378783

I'm one of the WT101 shills. It's cinnamon vanilla frosting that is super easy to sip. OF is a solid choice though

WT101 > OF 100 > Bulleit for me.

>>15376604
Redbreast 12 is a very good starting whiskey flavor wise, tastes like apple pie. Price point is probably not conducive to tonics though.
>>15377495
Makers mark is shit, tastes like mold. Four roses is good, as is Elijah Craig.
>>15378783
Wild turkey 101 is fine, but nothing good. It gets shilled cause its cheap.

>>15378270
Drop of old stuff - they're not producing 'new' Port Ellen yet. Big Peat used to contain Port Ellen (double digits) - you're looking at triple digits now like you said.

>>15375604
yeah

>>15378879
Those prices are from a Dutch store shipping to Germany.

>>15377771
Nah thats sherried Speysides. Both are overly fruity and basic 90% of the time.

>>15379069
I used to be able to buy this shit for €10 a bottle. Nothing wrong with that.

>>15372662
My holiday haul.
>worst
Gnaw bone straight bourbon. Bought a bottle from a local distillery. Passed by the place everyday and debated on chucking the opened bottle in their parking lot, it was horrible.

>>15379374
I also picked up this, it's surprisingly good.

>>15372662
Red label

>>15379378
>>15379374
f i ever find this again ill grab a bottle, was great.

>>15379281
mfw being finnish

>>15379281
I live in Canada and a 75cl bottle of Wild Turkey 81 is $29 + tax + tip

whisky is gross

Jim Beam and Jack Daniels are the worst ones I can think of. They taste like lipstick. There are so many weird additives that it doesn't taste like whiskey, it tastes like someone mixed a bunch of factory synthesized chemicals with pure ethanol. It's like the alcohol is made by robots or literal autists who want to create the most ''chemically stable'' product and analyze it in a lab. No one actually tested the taste.

a friend mentioned he wanted to try japanese whisky, I want to get him a bottle for his bday. Any recomendations? (not too expensive top 40€)

>>15372662
OPs example is pretty terrible, but this beats it

just came into possession of a bottle of Jim Beam
how shit is it? I've only had whisky / bourbon like once in my life before

>>15379948
>€
get him Uigeadail and show him pic related

>>15380229
wow very useful pic, thanks

>>15372662
found a un opened decanter of fiesta bowl whiskey form the mid 70's in my mother-in-laws house. I think it is jim beam. tastes pretty bad.

>>15378783
To be fair, 50ml bottles are a lot more susceptible to flavor deterioration due to improper storage.

how much is a "drink" in ml?

>>15381081
about 25ml

>>15378923
to be fair, it's not macallan's fault that the chinese and indian markets associate their name with ultimate luxury

got a Brown Label Peat Monster, is the "14" the year? dont know where to find the code translation.

>>15372903
>anyone who posts online is a shill
Imagine being this much of a paranoid dipshit.

>>15372662
>>15372749
>>15372858
>>15372881
>>15372903
>>15377673
>>15377979

Look out everyone, the Beam Suntory shills are out in full force today.

>>15372662
It's another "OP is butthurt about his favorite whiskey becoming over-priced to hell so desperately tries to convince everyone it's bad" epsiode...*yawn* *flicks channel on remote*

>>15372662
Probably Jack Daniels.

>>15380187
Jim Beam is really sweet and that's about it. If you're not into whisky it's a pretty good sipping whisky.

>WHAT IS UP MY FELLOW PEATOPHILES

>>15381551
>MFW my friend uses a peated whiskey in his whiskey and coke just because it drives our other friend who's a snobby fuck up the wall

>>15372662
How do you develop a palate for whiskey/bourbon? I just drink any fucking shit that gets me drunk enough and call it a day.

>Dalwhinnie 15

smelt of wet sheep and piss
tasted of urine.
I might have had a bad bottle from a bad batch

>>15372662
It's another "OP is butthurt about his favorite whiskey becoming over-priced to hell so desperately tries to convince everyone it's bad" epsiode...*yawn* *flicks channel on remote*

>>15381625
drinking for the wrong reason m8

>>15381641
definitely a bad batch. you never get that many notes on Dalwhinnie 15.

>>15372662

Glenfiddich 12 yo. I have some and I'm thinking of literally pouring it down the sink. Even Famous Grouse is better.

>>15377703
>nobody who’s actually knowledgeable about whiskey considers Jack to be of poor quality

>>15381868
make cocktails with it. rusty nails are a good way to get rid of scotch you don't particularly enjoy.

>>15381641
>smelt of wet sheep and piss
>tasted of urine.
for real? i would actually be down for that sort of thing uwu

>$60
just had this. smooth as fuck and not pricey for how good it is.

>>15381962
shit i shoudve read the >worst whiskey theme. this is not the worst lmao

>>15381942

Tbh that's a good idea. I hadn't thought of that. Thanks, anon. What other whisky cocktails do you recommend? Can't afford Drambuie at the moment. Something cheap to go with it apart from Coke would be good.

>>15381081
If you're using a Glencairn glass, you should pour it so that the hibiscus is right that the absolute maximum of the lathe.

A lot of poorfags ITT. Buying peated whiskies is not reddit-tier... worshipping Rip Van Winkle and showing off your 15 bottles (each) of Stagg Jr., Eagle Rare, Bookers/Bakers and other meme bourbons is. I imagine the divorce rate of r/whisky is astronomical. I can't imagine ever spending more than $100/month on whisky.

>>15381973
Cheapest cocktail would be a scotch and soda, but if you don't like the taste of the base scotch, I don't think it would work. I think a Rob Roy would hide the scotch pretty nicely if you use a good vermouth. A scotch sour could also be good, and cheaper to make than the rob roy. Or you could just make old fashioneds with it.

>>15382014
100 a month on single malt is literally 2 bottles in canada.

>>15382052
100 dollars buys you a sixpack of moosehead in canada

Any thai one

>>15372662
only fat americans like bourbon
fight me
tastes like shit

>>15382193
have you heard of our lord and savior buffalo trace? I am a mildly overweight canadian.

>>15372662
Canada House

What whiskey should I try if chewing on an oak tree isn’t oak forward enough for me?

>>15382276
Woodford Reserve Double Double Oaked. That's not a typo.

>>15382014
I nust got back from the store and their rewards membership enters you into an end of the month raffle for a RIP Van Winkle bottle, at least its free to sign up. Cashier seemed like he was confused as to why I wasnt doing backflips to try and get a taste. Took my Sotch and told him to call me when they get Glendronach 15/18 in.

>>15381962
>smooth

>obtain free Pappy in a raffle
>sell it because it's wheated and therefore boring trash
>buy a bunch of bottles of OGD 114 with it
>win at life

I would never buy anything that isn't Diageo. Why waste your time with anything less than the best?

>>15379374
Pretty much all my mid-range recommendations to people when I worked at a liquor store. Good pick on the Mckenna. A lot of people sleep on that. Would've gone for Russel's Reserve single over Kentucky Spirit, and the Four Roses single barrel is barely more than the regular, but otherwise good picks.

>>15379374
Oh I forgot to mention that Templeton's is laughably bad for its price. The fact they advertise 4 year aging and still charge over $30 per 750ml is so retarded.

>>15382444
trips for "yep its free money" its a raffle between 4 stores in a metro area. the chances are like 1 in 10,000 at best

>>15382422
I see you are a fellow Glendronochologist.

>>15382014
>r/whisky
got banned from reddit a few years back for bullying one of the r/whisky mods.

its sad when you see someone posting a picture of their most recent whisky "haul", which would have cost hundreds of dollars, and in the background of the picture their house is a destitute hovel.

>>15382683
he's a shell of the man he used to be ;_;

>>15382683
>Glendronach
Mighty fine taste you have

>>15382698
the jews really got to him

>>15382698
yeah... his best days were years ago. Has his rating system ever made sense? Everything is always ~85/100

>>15382960
I've watched on and off for 4 or 5 years and hardly a handful have been over 90. Would be better if it were a 5 star system or even just a "buy, try or avoid" one. I also think his tasting notes are a bit overzealous and a bit takin the piss. over 10 is a reach in my experience.

co-worker let me try some J&B...tastes pretty watered down desu.

>>15383375
he probably watered it down himself that bastard

Is anyone here not an alcoholic? Meaning if you wanted to stop drinking you could and never look back.

>>15383384
The issue is that most people here honestly love the taste of whisky.
Why would you give up something you enjoy?
So the answer is always going to be "I could, but I won't" which is the exact same answer an addict would give.

>>15382960
>>15383256
Never has it made sense. Not only should any serious review take 5 or 5.5 to be average (and you can even skew it by sales volume and say whatever Johnny Red is is the definition of average), but it doesn't seem like Ralphy has any sort of preferences whatsoever. You'll see very similar whiskies with wildly different ratings all the time.

Despite all the bullshit brand wars here, your review scores should have a roughly tight grouping for Laphroaig/Ardbeg/Lagavulin/Talisker above 55/100 if you like peat and below that if you hate it.
Or even more specifically there should be a correlation between Laphroaig 10/Select/QC, Ardbeg 10/An Oa/Wee Beastie, Lagavulin 16/12/8, and Talisker 10/Storm/Skye and from that you should be able to tease out specifically the things you like ignoring shit like organic stickers and locality.

>>15383471
>5 or 5.5
out of 10, depending on if 0 is a valid score.

Does jack Daniel's taste like over ripe bananas to someone else?
Also I'm slowly starting to drink in the morning, is that a bad sign?

>>15381950
No, it's a very light whisky.

>>15382444
my nigga. I bought a handle of Wild Turkey 101 today for my sips.

>>15383494
Brown-Forman whiskies have a banana taste, especially JD#7

>>15380229
What are you calling fake?
I've had some of those and they are certainly whisky. Shouldn't you either consider them Japanese whisky or world whisky?
Also if you're a drinker and not a collector, are you really upset when your bottle turns out to actually be scotch?

>>15373596
agree with the other guys saying double oaked is good. very flavorful.

>>15373596
One of the best off the shelf bourbons, and yes the Double Oaked is even better.

>>15378996
>Redbreast 12 is a very good starting whiskey flavor wise
I hear this a lot, but I'm sure you mean texture wise. There's really not a lot of flavor going on, not even for Irish whiskey.

>>15383548
My first irish whiskey was Michael Collins years ago but sadly it is discontinued.. Looking at my redneck hilbilly isle of this genre doesn't offer any eye catching bottles ( I see some bottle about Writers Tears or something). What can topple Ardbeg Ubbie?

>>15383494
its a sign of a rushed spirit. happens to a lot of high volume/low cost stuff. I mostly get it on the nose and not the taste thankfully. Southern Comfort is the one I noticed it on worst. I hear its common with the taste on Old Forester.

whiskey newfag but i can drink pic rel like water

>>15383384
That's not what it means to be an alcoholic though.

What are the least terrible supermarket whiskys you would recommend to enjoy on the rocks. I wanna get drunk again this weekend but I don't feel like I'm doing myself any good drinking storebrand garbage.

>>15384793
Very Old Barton

Worst I ever had was Wolfburn. Tasted like the yeast was still alive and kicking in the bottle.

>pic related

IM SUMMONING THAT WHISKY LAD WHO WAS ABOUT TO TRY HIS FIRST SCOTCH AFTER NEW YEAR?

how was that, lad?

>>15382960
anybody grading by that system seems to end up with the same ridiculous narrow use of the rating system where everything is 8x/100 and 79 is considered undrinkable trash

>>15381962
Don't get meme'd on the Jap whiskey.
That one in particular is very overpriced. I paid $45 and still felt ripped off. It's extremely one dimensional with some light smokiness and definitely not smooth.

>>15385083
stop saying "lad". its very cringeworthy

>>15385637
sure lad, whatever you ask lad

>>15385648
ee'bygum. Its grim up norf

>>15385672
oi oi ma'e

>>15372662
Kentucky Tavern bourbon. It's dirt cheap, but it tastes like rubbing alcohol with some caramel food coloring added to make it look like bourbon.

Bowmore 12 is on sale at Tesco.

Anybody ever try it?

guys, eagle rare 10yo just appeared on the market in my country for $60.

is it worth a purchase?

>>15385707
Its really average. Not bad for £25. Never worth £40. Its a whisky that is almost always discounted.

If you want a gentle introduction to islay, its ok. Much more gentle smoke/peat than Laphroaig or Ardbeg.

Personally I think you're better off buying cheaper bourbons and spending a bit extra on single malt. Tesco had Woodford Reserve for £20 and Wild Turkey 101 for £23. Id go for something like that over Bowmore, or id spend the extra and get Ardbeg.

>>15372779
Tell that to my tennesse honey that a baby would drink

>>15385772
Sack them off and get caol Isla

Where can I get this Diageo 12 everyone is talking about?

>>15385754
i should add, when it comes to bourbon, ive had jack daniels sb which i found too sweet, makers mark which was okayish, four roses sb which i liked and woodford reserve which i also liked. how does eagle rare compare?

>>15385772
>Personally I think you're better off buying cheaper bourbons and spending a bit extra on single malt

I agree. Quality of whisky has dropped and prices have raised significantly in the past few years. This has driven me to try more bourbon, rum and occasional tequila and brandy. Also I've bought more Blends like isle of sky 8 and black bottle (I prefer he new one to the old one)

>>15385707
pretty good for a price. Bowmore make nice slightly smoky Islays. I always buy on sales (12yo).

>>15385799
coal ila never costs like bowmore 12. it's always fucking twice the price. so thos lad>>15385707 grab Bowmore and never listen to these fags. the bong is shilling for bourbons because he's get used to scotches, but truth is Bowmore 12 is far better than any mid++ bourbone.

>>15373532
haha what the hell.

Mixing some Irish whiskey (got 1L for 14 EUR on sale which is probably cheapskate tier ITT) with homemade apple juice, the right stuff for winter evenings

>>15385707
It's okay. I found it to be thin and the peat tastes like leather.

>>15382200
>Sazerac bourbons
>Nope


>>15382193
You like cock

>>15385776
I'm glad they sell that in little bottles by the register. It's so sweet, I don't think I'd finish a larger size in a reasonable time frame.

>>15385837
eagle rare is the single sweetest bourbon I've ever tasted, with michter's bourbon being in a close second. I get why people like it so much but it's absolutely undrinkable imo, like caramelized raisins and molasses

>>15386446
and it's wonderful

>>15386003
Well the guy is asking about Tesco so he is also in UK and has access to equally priced scotch which is why I suggested it.

>>15386493
well, Tesco is present in many other countries, I though he isnt from UK. otherwise he'd already try Bowmore 12 many times before.

>>15379281
welke, broeder?

>>15385772
I'm always surprised at UK supermarket pricing, they are so unrelated to my local pricing or my perceptions of value.

I do agree that as far as Islays go, Bowmore isn't great. But Woodford Reserve and WT101 aren't at all in the same tier at all, and you should be expecting to pay 30% less for those.

Sainsburys and Morrisons have Laphroaig Select for £23, I'd go for that.

Or rather, I'd probably go for something off sale that is just across the board regionally cheaper like Bunnahabhain or Penderyn, or shit we don't get.

>>15385772
Damn, that is hella good deal on Woodford.
$25 for 750ml WT101 and $40 for 750ml Woodford in my hood.

>>15387712
>>15388089
Those are the sale prices. Standard price for Woodford is about £30. Although its on sale quite often.

The stuff that is expensive, and far less common is Rye. Bulleit rye is around £30 and the only thing cheaper is Jim Beam or Wild Turkey at about £25.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7rFjK2bmBs

>>15388131
Just go entirely off sale prices. There are enough sales about that you can buy on sale exclusively, and sales are formulaic enough that you can expect sales prices not to vary.

Of course that might require you to have tried a wide range of spirits first in order to not just end up buying overstocked trash.

>>15378923
That’s cause they pay for marketing spots on TV shows and movies so every numbnut with more money than taste buds thinks it’s high class and sophisticated. It’s essentially just Glenmorangie 18 for people who like to waste money.

>>15384793
Monkey Shoulder, Makers Mark, or Johnnie Walker Blacked.com/Double-Blacked.com

>>15389362
But that's the game you play with 18 year old's. I don't have the money to go out there and try them, and I've been quite disappointed at the slight quality improvement from distilleries I already like. Better to pay a little extra to lessen the risk of getting something shit than to buy three bottles so I can claim I won on value.

Actually that's wat most people do with 12 year old scotch too.

in germany, we consider 14 to be the best age.

>>15384793
>on the rocks

>>15385707
Pretty good, I get some milk chocolate, jerky, and leather under the peat. Haven’t found the lemon zest that the bottle boasts just yet. Pretty light but a good finish. Good intro for islay. Would buy if it’s on sale again.

Is Knob Creek 12 year worth getting for $60?

>>15381617
Unfathomably based

What's y'all's thoughts on Monkey Shoulder as an intro whiskey?

>>15373596
Woodford Reserve, Blantons and Makers Mark are the nicest bourbons I've had in Australia

Which whiskies or brandies are aged in new oak, like bourbon? I'm curious of the effect it has.

>>15389525
for many things

>>15389912
Good way to get used to malt funk that otherwise might seem like an "off note" in some single malts in my opinion.

>>15390465
Glenfiddich 14 year old Bourbon Barrel for starters

>>15377703
>nobody who’s actually knowledgeable about whiskey considers Jack to be of poor quality

Surely you jest.

>>15391143
bourbon barrels aren't new oak.
they get charred then have bourbon stored in them.

>>15372662
Lagavulin House Lannister 9 year scotch

tasted like moss

What entry-level bottles would you recommend to explore different types of whiskey?

bought pic related from tesco today because it was £22.
Tastes like a much nicer famous grouse. At the very tail end of the aftertaste you get a teeny tiny bit of sherry cask influence (marzipan, christmas cake, dates).

in todays climate (shit whisky for big money) its worth 20 notes, but you'd be a mug to pay full price for it.

Nearly bought a bottle of buffalo trace until I saw that its 40% now.

>>15392539
different to what?

>>15392548
different to other types o whiskies :)

R&R
cheap nasty garbage with bad aftertaste

springbank 10, that is all

>>15372662
There are LITERALLY hundreds of whiskies worse then Talisker. The 10 is still overpriced because fuck Diageo, but its not a bad whisky for beginners foraying into Highland peat.
>>15381617
Smokey Coke is legit though. I usually use Islay Mist 7yr for that tho cause Talisker is too expensive where I am.
>>15381962
That's literally rebranded scotch. You fell for the Japanese whisky meme and didn't even buy real Japanese whisky.
>>15382014
Nah even redditors hate taters who post bottles of Blanton's on /r/whiskyporn and ESPECIALLY BTAC and rare shit that's not an open bottle because they hate the secondary market faggots even more.
>>15382193
Try some rye then?
>>15382444
>not getting the superior Bottled in Bond
>not trading Pappyshit for old scotch
Ya dun goofed.
>>15392543
I love old indie bottled Tamnavulin, tasted like what Dalmore should be, but Whyte and Mackay still run them so I fear their OBs will never get above shitty supermarket bottom shelf tier.
>>15392758
This. Or Hazelburn 10 if you want even better Springbank.

For me, it's 1970s Red and Black label.

>>15372662
I can't remember the brand, but it was a clear whiskey. It was abhorrent.

>>15392558
I gotta be honest with you. I'm finding "entry-level" and "different" contradictory.
Help me out here. What have you drank before, what have you liked/disliked

Per gbp pound, it was Johnnie Walker blue

>>15373596
I had a single barrel double oaked, and it’s one of the best whiskies I’ve had.

$900.....fuk in A

>>15373096
Sometimes stores use whiskey bottles for their rubbing alcohol

>>15392509
I know they are charred first. Is there some term that I'm missing for such barrels other than "new oak" or "virgin oak"?

>>15391143
Thank you. They do use new American oak, but as a finish, not the entirety of aging:
>Our Malt Master, Brian Kinsman, waits 14 years as the whisky matures in ex-bourbon American Oak casks. He then finishes the whisky in charred new American oak barrels supplied by The Kelvin Cooperage in Louisville, Kentucky.
I could have been more specific. What I'm wondering about is basically 100% malted barley aged exclusively in new American oak, but maybe that's just not a thing.

Why is uigaedail the best scotch in its price range? Hell, is it just the best scotch in general? Everything about it is just right.

How long till it gets the death cycle of
Great taste > popular > scarce > higher price > diluted?

>>15381247
Mine (painting label) has 20 as the 3rd number, purchased late 2020, would make sense for the 14 to be the year in yours.

>>15394105
>What I'm wondering about is basically 100% malted barley aged exclusively in new American oak, but maybe that's just not a thing.
I would expect it would get too tannic/astringent very quickly, like, before it can age satisfactorily.

>>15394113
I emailed them, it was be 2014 bottled. pretty tasty so far, had a double dram watching Red Riding Hood. I'm thankful for the Scotch, that movie was awful.

>>15392539
Those points are somewhat contradictory.
You can get an entry level Speyside like Glenfiddich.
You can get an approachable but not cheap sherried whisky like Glenrothes.
You can get an unapproachable and not cheap islay like Ardbeg.
And that's probably got you covered.

If you try to go cheaper on sherry you're probably just going to get little to no sherry being used to polish a turd of a whisky.
If you try to go cheaper on Islay you'll get a blend, and most of those are so lacking in peat that it barely counts, or they're not that cheap because you're buying something like Talisker.

>>15394105
The third term is "not scotch," because scotch forbids the practice of aging in new barrels and likes to call barrels that once held bourbon new or first fill.

Look to Australia (though there'll be a lot of wine barrels) or Taiwan. Neither produce much in the way of age statements though. Japan's laws are equally permissive, but they won't tell you jack shit, and the style favors subtlety.

>>15394106
I love it. Just bought a Wee Beastie which is Uggie w/o the sherry + more peatyness. Pretty good. Laph10 I can not get used to.

>>15394366
>or they're not that cheap because you're buying something like Talisker.
Nobody but a moron would do that, anon.

>>15394613
What are the other options for medium peat?
It's by far the best one.

>>15392539
I'm not a big whisky drinker (I tend to prefer Irish to Scotch, should tell you plenty about my taste) but my dad drank Glenmorgangie, and as a non-Scotch-drinker I found it very palatable and pleasant.

>>15376638
I agree, although I haven't tasted a sherry that I liked.

>>15394705
Have you tried Glenfarclas 12? It's pretty easy drinking.

>>15394777
It's less sherried than Glenfiddich. I really wouldn't bother.

>>15394667
1 rupee was deposited into your account for this post, Tanujnarayanapadmabandhusabareeshwaradaithyakulantaka.
Thanks,
Diageo

>>15389570
10 year is half price and just as good.

>>15394173
>>15394394
Thanks fellas. I did some googling, and it does look like there are a few that fit the bill:

Auchentoshan Virgin Oak
>Touched for the very first time, the American oak barrels utilized here were new, not used prior to the Auchentoshan distillate filling the barrel for maturation. First released in the winter of 2013, the whisky has been been bottled at a nice 92 proof to enhance the wood spice aromas. This is a limited release so get it while you can.

Tomatin Cù Bòcan Virgin Oak
>Tomatin Cù Bòcan single malt is a lightly peated whisky, matured in a combination of sherry, virgin and bourbon casks. For this release however, Tomatin has chosen to mature it fully in virgin oak casks. Only 6,000 bottles of Tomatin Cù Bòcan Virgin Oak were released in 2015. It is the second in a series highlighting the individual cask styles of Cù Bòcan.

Glen Garioch Virgin Oak
>Virgin wood is referring to the never been used American white oak barrels utilized to age this single malt. Bourbon is aged this way, but traditionally, Scotch is aged in used bourbon barrels. Bottled at 96 proof, this Highland malt is an example of trying new flavor profiles and techniques in what is sometimes thought of as a staunch and traditional category.

Might be a bit harder to track down though.

>>15394173
>>15396780
Yeah, notice how all these are NAS. They're NAS because they're super young because if they were aged any longer they'd be tannic/astringent.

Fireball
I actually like some cheaper whiskeys that have an overly alcoholic/chemical taste, but one thing I can't stand is vile overdone flavorings.

>>15398109
Knob Creek Smoked Maple is the only good flavored whiskey.

>>15394106
high proof + good sherry flavor + peated + reasonable pricetag
the only other high proof scotches that occupya similar market position are Abunadh and the comparatively wimpy glenlivent experimental cask finishes, which are 80 and 90 dollars respectively

>>15398516
Glenfarclas 105

>>15398706
unavailable in large swathes of the murrican market, but you're right

>>15397697
>if they were aged any longer they'd be tannic/astringent.

How can that be. I've had 18 year old Elijah Craig and it's fine. Even if they aged these for 18 years, it would be in a cooler climate than Kentucky. Does malted barley just not stand up to a barrel the way a bourbon mashbill does?

saltiest/briniest peated whiskey?
pultaney sucks without smoke to bolster the salt

>>15398706
I can get the 105 for about $70-80 which would also get me the 17yr. I have the 12, but I hear their older statments are not as mature as others but still quite good. what to do...

>>15399946
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the 105 uses a higher portion of sherry casks for the aging than the 17.
The 105 is an intense flavor bomb and a must-experience for anyone who enjoys sherried whiskies.

>>15373046
decent, better than JD for sure
>>15378448
even the people at the distillery know this is a joke desu

>>15399933
It does, the barrel loses it's potency over the years. You should only be concerned if you don't like wood flavors to start with, or the barrels are being replaced for new new ones every few years.

>>15399944
You know the answer.

>>15399933
>Does malted barley just not stand up to a barrel the way a bourbon mashbill does?
You're getting sweetness from corn, spice from rye and char from the bourbon barrel in a bourbon, all helping to cover up that tannic astringency. Malt provides none of that.

>>15399944
>it's the Diageo shill asking what the saltiest/briniest peated whisky is, which he typically follows up with a samefagged reply saying nice things about a Diageo whisky
>again
>for the umpeenth fucking time

>>15392539
Wild turkey 101
Rittenhouse rye
Paddy Irish whisky

>>15372662
If that's the worst you've had, you need to drink more. Anything Canadian is trash, metallic vanilla everywhere, and 9% isn't even whisky. Ardbeg 10 is the worst scotch I've had, it tastes like drinking an ashtray (Laphroaig is the winner in that war). Kamiki is the worst Japanese I've had, it's sourced trash with only a tobacco flavor. I'd much rather have a $12 bottle if Kakubin, which is a legit blend.

Just got some Knob Creek - anyone else a fan of the Knob?

>>15373581
Its bottom shelf blended. What did you expect?

>>15386204
fuck you, you absolute piece of shit. i have to pay 65 USD for 1L of Jameson. im on my way to the shop to get one rn, and it fucking SUCKS to pay half a days pay for this shit, dear fucking lord i wanna die

>mfw Jameson is the only irish whiskey I can get here in hueland
I sometimes wish I didn't love whiskey.

>>15372662
The ones in the bottle.

>>15401398
yer fat mum

about to try this for the first time tonight

>>15404691
how much was it in your neck of the woods?

>>15404736

$45 at Total Wine - Texas

>>15404691
Personally quite enjoyed it until the ashy aftertaste smoke hit, wasn't a fan of that at all.

>>15386204
Ive never heard of mixing whiskey and apple juice, but i suspect it works well with tullamore. I always got apple vibes from it

>>15382193
Honestly this. Granted its not the worst thing in the world, its just overrated because americans memed it into being some luxury manly drink. Ive never had more than one bottle of bourbon in my liqour cabinet at any time

>>15402775
It cant be that hard to order irish whiskey online, can it?

>>15402321
Try bushmills, its worth that kind of money a hell of a lot more than jameson is

>>15400363
>>15400244
so do you have a recommendation or not

>>15404691
>Edrington Group Garbage
sasuga, get yourself a real Peated Highland m80

>Woodford Reserve Bourbon Whisky
tfw got it for $20, how'd I do?
First time drinking btw

>>15405151

well enough. It tastes like drinking a thrift-store piano so ymmv but you could have done worse.

>>15404691

You on the other hand are in for severe disappointment.

They're going to stop distributing these.
Should I get one even though the price is higher outside US?
Some people told me they're mediocre

Deadass thread

>Whiskey thread
>everyone posts Whisky

received two bottles for my birthday (lagavulin 8y, dalmore 12y). not very good with whisky but still want to appreciate them properly. any ideas?

>>15406487
Drink straight/neat at room temperature. Take the tiniest sips possible and really roll it around your tongue/swish it around your mouth for several seconds before swallowing.
You're drinking it too quickly if you finish the dram in under 30 minutes.

>>15405447
sourced shit fit for the bums that live in dumpsters

>>15376718
At least contribute your own thoughts if you're going to be a fag

>>15406487
>Lagavulin
drain cleaner
>Dalmore
carpet cleaner

>>15385837
well its $60 where I live, it is definitely good, when I think about it I imagine a round orb of bourbon floating in space and thats what it tastes like

>>15405447
No because it took them functionally discontinuing it to make you want to try it. If it was good enough for you to try it you would have decided to try it before the news.

>>15404691
I found 12 to be pretty meh, 18 however is very good