/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>15379881
wait uhh i thought eggs are healthy

Only if you add bread

>>15379881
No one has ever discovered a link between blood cholesterol and dietary cholesterol. The best they've done is a link between saturated fat and serum cholesterol. The current reasoning is that if you eat eggs in moderation then they are unlikely to cause problems with your cardiovascular system especially if you exercise.

>>15379903
https://www.pcrm.org/news/news-releases/new-review-study-shows-egg-industry-funded-research-downplays-danger-cholesterol
>Researchers with the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine examined all research studies published from 1950 to March of 2019 that evaluated the effect of eggs on blood cholesterol levels. The researchers examined funding sources and whether those sources influenced study findings.
>The results show that prior to 1970, industry played no role in cholesterol research. The percentage of industry-funded studies increased over time, from 0 percent in the 1950s to 60 percent in 2010-2019.
>Overall, more than 85 percent of the studies—whether funded by industry or not—showed that eggs have unfavorable effects on blood cholesterol. Industry-funded studies, however, were more likely to downplay these findings. That is, although the study data showed cholesterol increases, study conclusions often reported that eggs had no effect at all. Approximately half (49 percent) of industry-funded intervention studies reported conclusions that were discordant with actual study results, compared with 13 percent of non-industry-funded trials.

>>15379903
correct
but I should note that the moderation required for eggs not to meaningfully effect blood cholesterol is less than 1 egg per day, any higher and eggs play a large role in increasing blood cholesterol

>For most people, the amount of cholesterol eaten has only a modest impact on the amount of cholesterol circulating in the blood. (24) For some people, though, blood cholesterol levels rise and fall very strongly in relation to the amount of cholesterol eaten. For these “responders,” avoiding cholesterol-rich foods can have a substantial effect on blood cholesterol levels.
24. Fernandez, M.L., Dietary cholesterol provided by eggs and plasma lipoproteins in healthy populations. Curr Opin Clin Nutr Metab Care, 2006. 9(1): p. 8-12.

>>15379982
what's next? meat unhealthy?

>>15379991
sugar is a health food

>>15379982
well, that settles it then. they aren't good for you despite the (((dairy industry))) trying to convince you otherwise

>>15379894
spbp
Fat + Carbs is what clogs arteries. Not fat on its own, not carbs on their own.

Not if you’re active

>>15379991
>>15379993
>>15379997
Cope harder, fatties.

>>15380008
i'm slightly overweight, not fat

>>15380008
>i have no argument and i must seethe

>>15379993
What is this, the 1970s?

>>15380008
>fatties
I don't eat carbohydrates though

>>15379982
Here's the part that'll really get you, though: Without sugar to inflame and damage the walls of your arteries, high cholesterol won't inherently cause any damage or clogging.

ummm sweetie the scientists have settled this

I call bullshit. My mother inlaw is on the keto diet. For those living under rocks. Keto diet is all meats and cheeses eggs. No sugars or carbs of any kind. She has lost a ton of weight and looks incredible. She eats a ton of eggs. I asked our family doctor about this diet. He is also my mother inlaws doctor and he said that she is in better health then he's ever seen her. I believe it too. She looks younger and healthier. She claims to get better sleep and has more energy. She was loosing hair and it was getting thin. But now it's growing back.

>>15380017
Carbohydrates don't break the laws of thermodynamics, hamplanet.

>>15380059
>He is also my mother inlaws doctor and he said that she is in better health then he's ever seen her.
nice fake story retard. if that doctor actually did that, he's liable to lose his medical license for divulging patient information like that.

>>15380012
I referenced actual studies. You fatties moved the goalposts and sperged out about sugar.

>>15380059
had me sold up until
>her hair started growing back
we all know keto makes even women go bald, it's a symptom of constantly being in ketosis, the same reason alcoholics lose clumps of hair from alcohol-induced keto acidosis.

>>15380024
The medical-industrial complex treats symptoms, not causes. They can't write you a prescription for anything if you simply need to stop chugging Coca Cola.

>>15380074
Ketocucks are literal cultists.

>>15380069
i didn't say shit about sugar. the fact is that studies downplaying the cholesterol effects were (((industry-funded))).

>>15380064
>muh thermodynamics
This is the biggest midwit cope ever.

>>15380092
Post physique.

>>15380074
Why do vegans think this is an effective argument?

>>15380069
Watch this 6-part lecture series from Dr. Jason Fung, starting here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0
He also references plenty of studies throughout the whole series and shows how modern research comes to the conclusion that saturated fat is the best fat for you and is only bad if you combine it with refined sugars and/or an over-abundance of other carbs.
If you just want to dig straight into the parts about saturated fat and cholesterol, skip to part 6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QetsIU-3k7Y
Just be warned that some things he talks about are informed by build up from the previous parts of the lecture series.

>>15380059
>She claims to get better sleep
I started keto recently and have definitely noticed this. I can remember my dreams much more, which is a sign of good sleep.

>>15380024
>eggs don't raise cholesterol
>actually they do
>w-well, it doesn't matter unless you eat sugar
Blatant goalpost moving aside, do you have a source for your claim?

>>15380074
Keto only makes retards who become malnourished go bald. It's not a symptom of constant ketosis, it's a symptom of vitamin deficiencies because they don't understand how proper nutrition works and don't get all the nutrients they need. They're usually also the "eat as much bacon as I want" type retards. People who engage in keto and also have proper nutrition by eating some organ meats and vitamin-rich leafy vegetables see very good outcomes and do often report better skin and healthier/thicker hair.

>>15380101
>anyone that disagrees with me is a vegan
many such cases in the world of keto cultists
vegans are their ultimate boogeyman because they believe anyone that isn't on keto must be an evil vegun!
>your brain on keto

>>15380118
source?

>>15380118
Vegetables are not fit for human consumption.

>>15380109
You can look up arterial damage from sugar, but here's one source to get your started:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4856550/
>Many lines of evidence implicate added sugars more than saturated fat as etiologic in CHD. We urge dietary guidelines to shift focus away from recommendations to reduce saturated fat and towards recommendations to avoid added sugars.

>>15380126
this is your fat amerimutt brain on processed foods

>>15380120
>if your car isn't in perfect condition how can you fix mine?
>if you aren't in perfect health how can you be a doctor?
>if you're not more muscular than me how can you advise me on exercise technique?
All of these are bullshit arguments because it's possible to have good knowledge and be able to share it without personally acting on it. But even these are far closer to making a valid point than your image.

>>15380144
You only think they're healthy because of religious nuts from a few hundred years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTe-eitOJGA

>>15380129
I'm talking about your claim that high cholesterol is not harmful if you don't eat sugar, not whether sugar or saturated fat is worse. Stop moving the goalposts.

>>15380152
Not him but I believe they're healthy because of the plethora of scientific research showing that regular vegetable consumption is associated with overall better health.

>>15380162
No you don't.

>>15380153
There's a plethora of information available here as well: https://cholesterolcode.com/
I don't have some pre-prepared text file of arguments and links, though, so you do need to do a little bit of your own research.

>>15380010
fat

>>15379894
This. Choose your carbs wisely. Rice and sweet potato are best

>>15380280
It all has the same effect.

>>15379881
Wtf is wrong with that egg? Why is it so red? Eggs aren't supposed to look like that they're supposed to be yellow

>>15380293
No it doesn't

>>15380301
that's what a healthy egg looks like, my american friend

>>15379881
The yolk is that vivid orange, you can tell it's not from a sickly animal. Would rather never eat eggs again than have the garbage most people normally shove into their mouths daily.

>>15379881
>Will eating eggs really clog your arteries?
there is no correlation between eating foods with high cholesterol and high blood cholesterol.

eggs are a near perfect food. hell they contain everything to make a chicken.

>>15380314
>egg
>healthy

>>15380318
egg producers in every country (and even in local regions) carefully control the diet of their chickens in order to get the color of eggs that the locals expect. they do this by adding or limiting the amount of beta carotene in the chicken feed. THAT'S IT THAT'S ALL!

In some countries they expect blood red eggs, in other countries everyone thinks a yellow or orange egg is a sign of icky chemicals and won't eat them so they make egg yolks that are white.

here in the US people expect yellow to orange and that's what they get.

I personally have had eggs produced by my brother who fed his chickens: feed, let them eat bugs in the yard, and carrot peels (on my request) we got dark orange yolks. then I compared those to store bought eggs. There was almost no discernible difference in taste. The store bought eggs seem to have a slightly stronger flavored yolk, but they both tasted the same.

Don't give me the ol' "you have no sense of taste" you don't know me.

>>15380344
The yolk seems thicker and richer tasting and doesn't have the weird "off" flavors. It seems like some people have more sensitive tastebuds or something, but it's a double edged sword in that it might make you find normal things disgusting. I feel the same way about cheap skim milk. It has all these "off" kind of flavors to it and I don't understand how the average person doesn't taste it.

>>15380326
>>15379982

>>15380365
Milk is easier to taste cheap short cuts in I think. Eggs, I view health based on shell thickness vs the look of the yolk

>>15380344
Just like people sometimes think brown eggs are healthier or sometimes they think they're gross.

>>15380059
I'd argue that the fact she's in "better health" is because she's actually taking charge of and being vigilant of her dietary choices and not specifically because of keto, and that the poor sleep and hair loss was due to stress but I don't know the specifics of this case nor do I care to know them.

>>15380519
Not this meme again.
>all diets work equally bro, you only lose weight due because you stop eating sugar and feel more mentally in control

>>15379982
>Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine
Fuck those guys. They have a heavy bias and an agenda to eliminate all animal products from the human diet. Hardly a scientific organization.

>>15380550
If she ate a pound of butter every day would she lose weight? What about 20 pounds of 70/30 ground beef without draining any of the rendered juices? It doesn't matter how much food you eat as long as it doesn't have carbs?

This is the basis upon which all keto cultism is founded.

>>15380582
COPE.

>>15380659
If being independent and getting to hang out with cute birds all day instead of sucking supermarket dick for "just egg" then I guess I cope :3

Just stop eating sugar/HFCS and processed foods. No need for a keto/Atkins diet (he died from a heart attack btw).

>>15380008
I'm large as a barge

>>15380693
Atkins died from slipping and falling. He never had any diet related health problems. Vegans lie and talk about a virus-related heart issue to imply his diet was bad. You're either a vegan liar or a dupe.

>>15379982
Note it only talks about funding from the egg industry. If egg producers can fund research to play down risks, why can't producers of alternatives (e.g. tofu, quorn) fund studies to play up the risks? Naïve to assume it only works one way.

>>15380659
It's true. It has an agenda and should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Vegans think meat is murder. Murder is morally worse than lying. Therefore vegans think it is morally okay to lie to prevent people from eating meat.

Never trust vegan health advice.

>>15380928
That is a really interesting take.

>>15379982
.... this is just peta they are against all animal products even medical research

pretend to be physicians actually faggot vegans ......


really now just eat the wondermeat goy what does it matter we srleady took your foreskin

>>15380100
Admit that you are wrong and you are a retard.

>>15379982
are u retarded ? are u scared of scary gmo plants too?

does nuclear energy leave you trembling in fear ?

go be a faggot retard simewhere else and leave the eggies im having 3 for lunch

>>15379982
>vegan propaganda
Take it somewhere else pal.

>>15380582
Veganism is a cult. A lot of scientific studies around the harmful effects of animal foods are done by pajeets who are already vegetarian for religious reasons.
Why would the industry promote meat and dairy which is an order of magnitude more costly to produce over soy products? The impossible whopper costs a dollar more than a real one. Think of the profit margins they’re making on dumb goyim here selling soy for more than beef and tell me who the industry is shilling for.

>>15380596
>What about 20 pounds of 70/30 ground beef without draining any of the rendered juices?
Who would ever do this? It would be nearly impossible for someone to eat this much. CICO fags are legit autistic. “hurr your body works like a combustion engine. You can totally gain weight by eating 400 lbs of lettuce a day, or drinking a gallon of diesel fuel!”

>>15380693
>more vegan lies
Don’t you think blatant and easily disprovable falsehoods make it much easier to expose you retards? Shouldnt you at least try to be somewhat honest?

>>15381483
Not one poster itt has said anything remotely pro-veganism, you mentally ill lardass.

>>15380582
They carried out a meta-study, fattie.

>>15381527
Don't bother, these fat retards think that if you make fun of their meme diet. It's literally too much of a hassle for this fatties to imagine that someone can eat carbohydrates, meat and vegetables.

>>15381470
It doesn't matter if it's possible; it's a thought experiment. If carb management is all that matters for weight loss (as keto cultists claim), then why would the quantity of food matter as long as there are minimal/zero carbs?

If it matters, then you have to consider whether the teachings of the Cult of Keto are truthful.

>>15381470
He's applying your own logic, retard.

>>15379881
>Will eating eggs really clog your arteries?
Go to /fit/ and read the sticky, there is a whole guide on nutrition there that is better than any of us could.

>>15379881
how are you cooking the eggs?

>>15381527
You can spot vegans by their standard lies.

Non-vegans don't go around telling people that Atkins died from a heart attack.

>>15381537
Not everyone who understands that plants arent inherently healthy and animals arent inherently unhealthy are obese mcdonalds lovers. Don't you have a McPlant to wait in line for?

Btw, my bmi is 22. Hardly what you would call fat.

While it has been proven that eggs contain cholesterol, it has not yet been scientifically concluded that they raise the level of serum cholesterol in the human bloodstream.

>>15383046
Who said anything about animals being unhealthy? Just because I'm not a fattie who cries when walking by a bakery doesn't mean I don't eat meat, you fat idiot.

>>15383060
>>15379982

>>15380104
What's your medical background and how much time have you dedicated to fact-checking these videos before deciding that they are accurate? Why not present this data to researchers and collect a nobel prize for it?

>>15382802
The sticky is a guide on bodybuilding, not about what is scientifically the healthiest food/diet. It's more of a general guide balancing building muscle with some sense of generally acceptable eating patterns. The misconception is why /fit// went from "/fit/ - Health & Fitness" to just "/fit/ - Fitness"

>>15383073
If 22 bmi is fat then Eugenia Cooney is normal weight.

>>15379881
>Will eating eggs really clog your arteries?
yup. Never eat eggs. They will make your cholesterol skyrocket while your body is digesting and absorbing\ nutrients from them.
Check out carotid, coronary and pulmonary endarterectomy videos on YouTube.
They are so terrifying that you'll never want to eat fat again.

>>15383111
More like I don't believe your 22 BMI claim

>>15383107
Refer to chapter 3 of the sticky for the part in which they talk about eggs, chloresterol and your arteries, nitwit.

>>15380109
>all of the posts i dont like are made by a single person

>>15383135
All it says is " Cholesterol in food does not directly translate in into high blood cholesterol for most people. For those with high cholesterol, specifically high LDL ("bad") cholesterol, focus on cutting saturated and trans fats, which contribute to cholesterol production in the liver."
It doesn't say there's nothing wrong with eating eggs. In fact, 6 or so years ago it did, until I emailed the guy and gave him some links, for which he thanked me and removed the line.

>>15380801
>Atkins died from slipping and falling. He never had any diet related health problems.
Hahahaha.

>>15383122
I mean, we exist. You don't have to believe me. We even eat eggs.

>>15383168
What does that even say?

>>15379881
I used to eat a lot of eggs but I worked out 5-6 days per week. It was more of an easy calories/protein thing. My cholesterol levels are fine. If youre sitting at a computer all day eating 10 egg yolks in a smoothie youre going to have a bad time

>>15383157
>It doesn't say there's nothing wrong with eating eggs. In fact, 6 or so years ago it did, until I emailed the guy and gave him some links, for which he thanked me and removed the line.
So you already knew about it, should have mentioned earlier.

But yeah, it is fine, just eat the eggs. If you are worried, eat mostly whites.

>>15383176
>myocardial infarction, congestive heart failure, hyptertension
His medical records were leaked and his Atkins Physician Council tried to damage control it by admitting that he had cardiomyopathy but that it was due to a virus he had, not his diet. His wife refused to allow an autopsy.

>>15383091
>What's your medical background and how much time have you dedicated to fact-checking these videos before deciding that they are accurate?
The doctor presenting the information is a practicing nephrologist and also applies everything he talks about to help patients lose weight, keep weight off, and improve their overall health. That works for me, he's not saying anything crazy.
>Why not present this data to researchers and collect a nobel prize for it?
All the information he gives is derived from other research and studies, why do you think anyone would get a nobel prize for any of this? He's not proving calories literally don't exist or discovering the existence of some new hormone no one ever knew about before. Ironically enough, most of what he says is stuff that was held to be true in the past anyway, and it's just that we're now re-discovering that a lot of it was correct.

>>15380151
go away peterstein

>>15379993
Okay, Durianrider. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5GHBXk2QEM

>>15380059
>Keto diet is all meats and cheeses eggs. No sugars or carbs of any kind
You don't even know what keto is, shill. Keto is 20-40 grams of carbs per day. It's not all meat, eggs, and cheese; that's zero carb.

>>15380123
Just go check out online keto communities. Without fail, the people complaining of negative side effects will be questioned about their diet and turn out to be doing retarded bullshit. The people who eat proper nutrition all report improvements and even progress pictures that show better skin and hair. It won't reverse actual hormonal/genetic baldness, but if your hair was thinning because of carb-induced inflammation or something similar then keto will reduce and reverse that.

>>15380101
>see this guy in a documentary on Netflix
>says that eating piles of sugar is better than eating animal products
>claims that sugar has little to no correlation with diabetes
>sources to his claims are his own blog
Shit was so off the wall. Who are people like this allowed to practice medicine?

>>15383311
>The doctor presenting the information is a practicing nephrologist and also applies everything he talks about to help patients lose weight, keep weight off, and improve their overall health.
The problem is thousands of rogue doctors claim to do the same thing with different advice.
>he's not saying anything crazy
To say saturated fat isn't unhealthy is crazy as far as it being far from the consensus.
>All the information he gives is derived from other research and studies, why do you think anyone would get a nobel prize for any of this?
If you don't have some background knowledge to be able to put what he says in context or to verify that the citations aren't misleading, it's useless. People like this make youtube videos for a normie audience who don't know better because their educated peers laugh them out of the room.

>>15383795
>all carbs have the same effect in the body as refined sugar!
>how can you recommend people eat lentils and oatmeal?! might as well slurp down a Big Gulp or eat some gummy bears!
Yes, you should be in charge of nutrition. You're clearly smarter than everyone else.

>>15383897
What are you talking about?

>>15383911
What are YOU talking about? "He said to eat piles of sugar!" What the hell are you saying?

>>15383923
>"He said to eat piles of sugar!"
Yeah pretty much

>>15383956
That's not his recommendation for what you should eat, that's a reference to a specific diet used by a Harvard physician a century ago, to make a point about the role of fat in diabetes. He rails as much against refined sugars as he does meat.

>>15383311
Hundreds of thousands of years of common sense pragmatism cannot defeat modern BIG AG propaganda! Or can it???

>>15383967
I understand. My original point is that he would prefer that diet over one that has animal products and that he downplays sugar's role in diabetes.

>>15383993
>My original point is that he would prefer that diet over one that has animal products
In what context?

>>15383844
>People like this make youtube videos for a normie audience who don't know better because their educated peers laugh them out of the room.
He's literally presenting a lecture to physicians and offering recommendations on new standards of care for their practices which was also recorded and put online. It's not just some shill doctor talking at a camera on YouTube for quick cash. There's a reason I mentioned he's a practicing physician and giving this care and advice to actual patients with positive results.

>>15384003
>He's literally presenting a lecture to physicians
To who, where? He's trying to give a from-the-ground-up understanding of nutrition that experts in the field reject and that the average practicing doctor has no education in either. It's your typical "trust me, I'm a doctor" youtube quackery with a link to buy his books in the description

why are those eggs orange?
wtf

>>15379881
wtf happened to the yolk on the left

>>15383993
>muh sugar causes diabetes meme
Ok, soccer mom
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5436961/
>Fifteen prospective cohort studies (251 261 unique participants, 16 416 cases) met the eligibility criteria, comparing the highest intake (median 137, 35.2 and 78 g/d) with the lowest intake (median 65, 9.7 and 25.8 g/d) of total sugars, fructose and sucrose, respectively. Although there was no association of total sugars (RR 0.91, 95% confidence interval [CI] 0.76–1.09) or fructose (RR 1.04, 95% CI 0.84–1.29) with type 2 diabetes, sucrose was associated with a decreased risk of type 2 diabetes (RR 0.89, 95% CI 0.80–0.98). Our confidence in the estimates was limited by evidence of serious inconsistency between studies for total sugars and fructose, and serious imprecision in the pooled estimates for all 3 sugar categories.

>>15383993
https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l2368
>Results 53 publications were included, with 153 adjusted summary hazard ratios on dietary behaviours or diet quality indices (n=12), food groups and foods (n=56), beverages (n=10), alcoholic beverages (n=12), macronutrients (n=32), and micronutrients (n=31), regarding incidence of type 2 diabetes. Methodological quality was high for 75% (n=115) of meta-analyses, moderate for 23% (n=35), and low for 2% (n=3). Quality of evidence was rated high for an inverse association for type 2 diabetes incidence with increased intake of whole grains (for an increment of 30 g/day, adjusted summary hazard ratio 0.87 (95% confidence interval 0.82 to 0.93)) and cereal fibre (for an increment of 10 g/day, 0.75 (0.65 to 0.86)), as well as for moderate intake of total alcohol (for an intake of 12-24 g/day v no consumption, 0.75 (0.67 to 0.83)). Quality of evidence was also high for the association for increased incidence of type 2 diabetes with higher intake of red meat (for an increment of 100 g/day, 1.17 (1.08 to 1.26)), processed meat (for an increment of 50 g/day, 1.37 (1.22 to 1.54)), bacon (per two slices/day, 2.07 (1.40 to 3.05)), and sugar sweetened beverages (for an increase of one serving/day, 1.26 (1.11 to 1.43)).

>>15384198
"nutrition" and "experts" doesn't go together. biologists know their shit, nutritionist isn't legally recognized, anybody can become one.

>>15384198
lol I used to post this.
He's like 'butter makes me smarter!'
He is so convinced of it, that he does lectures about it, as if he's qualified to give advice on nutrition. predictably, he dies of a heart attack.

>>15384198
Stay ignorant, I don't care.

Vegans actually hate humans so much they will try to muddy the water when it comes to nutrition even though they know low-carb diets cure diabetes.

Very evil people.

>>15385231
low calorie diets cure diabetes.
a low fat diet is the best way to do a low calorie diet. low sugar high fat diets are very unhealthy and make you sick.

>>15385262
>low sugar high fat diets are very unhealthy and make you sick.
Hello (((corn industry))), i see you

>>15385262
>a low fat diet is the best way to do a low calorie diet.
If you've ever done both LFHC and HFLC diets you would know this is absolutely factually wrong. Low carb diets reduce hunger to almost nothing, even when taking in very low calories. High carb diets increase hunger and make eating very low calories fucking unbearable.

>>15385262
See this is what I mean when I say vegans don't care about people. You are telling harmful lies.

There are at least 35 modern RCTs that show significantly better weight loss with low-carb diets. The number of studies showing the opposite? Zero.
https://phcuk.org/rcts/

>>15379881
no. Stop reading women's checkout magazines and watching TV

>>15385457
Lol, sounds like a fat fuck problem. I can eat any food without binging.
>>15385486
How many of these are based on fatties' self-reports?

>>15385503
Or they could read studies, you know, those you lardasses have been ignoring or deflecting from this whole thread (>>15379982)

>>15385486
>>15385457
u guys are mentally ill. your brains are functioning correctly because you aren't getting proper nutrition. brains need sugar. you need starch. fat is the problem.

>>15385486
>>15385457
u guys are mentally ill. your brains aren't functioning correctly because you aren't getting proper nutrition. brains need sugar. you need starch. fat is the problem.

>>15385518
>>15385545
Go look up what insulin and ghrelin are, what they do, and what triggers their release to the greatest degrees.

>>15385552

>Go look up what insulin and ghrelin are, what they do, and what triggers their release to the greatest degrees.
insulin lets sugar into the cells. you need it to get energy, to feel satisfied. you want insulin to spike quickly while you are eating, so you feel satisfied quicker and will not over eat. the release of insulin also triggers the release of leptin a satiety hormone.
fat slows down digestion, delaying insulin release and sugar absorption, thus delaying leptin release. Also fat does not satisfy cells' hunger. Cells need sugar. Fat is moved over to body fat. Sat fat is packaged into cholesterol because it is too large to be absorbed by itself. cholesterol creates arterial plaque which causes all sorts of healthy problems!

>>15385585
Great, now look into insulin resistance, leptin resistance, and still look up ghrelin.

>>15385590
obesity causes insulin resistance. High fat diets cause obesity because it's easy to over eat, and high fat diets generally do not satisfy hunger because the body doesn't need fat, it needs sugar, to feel satisfied.

Also, digesting fat requires a special enzyme called lipase. Lipase causes inflammation and can damage the pancreas, the pancrease can get inflamed and the immune system will attack the pancraes, if your pancreases cannot produce insulin properly you have metabolic syndrome. Lipase is problematic because our cell walls are made of fat, and lipase breaks down fat, you see.

>>15385699
>obesity causes insulin resistance.
Over exposure to insulin causes insulin resistance. People become obese because of constant insulin signaling fat storage and that insulin is produced in increasing amounts to combat the body's resistance to it.

>High fat diets cause obesity because it's easy to over eat
Only because the high fat diets we study are the standard diet which is simultaneously high in sugar. We just ignore the sugar.

>high fat diets generally do not satisfy hunger because the body doesn't need fat, it needs sugar, to feel satisfied.
In my experience, sugar makes me feel more hungry quicker after eating, fat doesn't satiate but it doesn't drive hunger, and it's only protein that actually makes me feel full and satisfied more than any other thing.

>lipase
Go look up how fructose turns into fat in the liver.

>>15385756
See
>>15384561
>>15384565

>>15385756
>Over exposure to insulin causes insulin resistance
Obesity causes insulin resistance. Obesity and a high fat diet force the body to release more insulin to help the body clean the sugar out of the blood, because the fat is interfering in the process. Being skinny and eating a low fat diet increases insulin sensitivity. I may eat a lot of starch, but my body produces less insulin because I am more sensitive to insulin!
>People become obese because of constant insulin signaling fat storage and that insulin is produced in increasing amounts to combat the body's resistance to it.
people become obese from eating too many calories.
Insulin triggers fat storage? if you are eating a low fat diet, what fat is there to store? The body rarely converts sugar into fat. Lipogenesis is inefficient.

>In my experience, sugar makes me feel more hungry quicker after eating, fat doesn't satiate but it doesn't drive hunger, and it's only protein that actually makes me feel full and satisfied more than any other thing.
Snack foods are loaded with fat for a reason. The fat drives people mad with hunger and make them over eat.
Fat does not satisfy because it is sugar the cells want. Sugar does not not make you feel more hungry after eating. that is self deception on your part. Try eating 600 calories worth of starch, like a big owl of oatmeal or potatoes, without added fat, and see how you feel afterwards.

>Go look up how fructose turns into fat in the liver.
fructose is processed in the liver. it isn't an optimal sugar. I still with glucose (starch) whenever possible. I avoid eat sucrose and use artificial sweeteners.

>>15385756
People become obese by constantly eating above their TDEE, retard.

>>15385699
>It needs sugar to feel satisfied
How many times have you had a soda and thought "that really filled me up"?

>>15385881
carbs are sugar. I stick with starch, which is glucose, a sugar.
I avoid fructose. Sucrose is half fructose. Fructose doesn't raise blood sugar, so it is not satisfying. If you want to lose weight, don't eat fructose.

>>15385828
See
>>15380104

>>15385904
I hope you're aware that when you call all carbs sugar you're confusing everyone because in the context of health sugar almost always refers to sucrose.

>>15383191
>>15383168
Doesn't change that he died from a head injury and NOT diet-induced heart disease, vegetable brain.

>>15380808
Because alternative protein sources have altruistic ambitions unlike evil meat eaters.

>>15379881
Maybe. But then again, burnt toast might give you cancer. Just enjoy your food man.

>>15385924
that's an odd thing to say because last I checked keto lovers rail against all carbs including all starches.

>>15385756
>Over exposure to insulin causes insulin resistance
As long as you're insulin sensitive, insulin quickly comes and goes from the bloodstream. This doesn't cause resistance.
It's when something interferes with insulin action that your body tries to produce more to compensate for it not doing its job, which leads to desensitivity to insulin.
The reason obesity causes insulin resistance is because fat people have a lot of fat in their body, whick leaks into their bloodstream, and fat makes it harder for insulin to take effect. When you eat fat, it's transported through your blood as well.
In some cases, people eating very high fat diets like keto have similar Free Fatty Acids in their blood as obese people. Even weight loss may not be enough to offset this.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20107198/

>>15386973
I don't recall ever mentioning keto, and I referenced Dr. Fung whose talks do not mention keto, either. Low carb yes, no sugar yes, keto no.

>>15387113
Nice try, vegan. High fat diets cure diabetes.

>>15379982
>big soi propaganda
it's no better than the big dairy propaganda

>>15385854
>Snack foods are loaded with fat for a reason. The fat drives people mad with hunger and make them over eat.
>Fat does not satisfy because it is sugar the cells want. Sugar does not not make you feel more hungry after eating. that is self deception on your part. Try eating 600 calories worth of starch, like a big owl of oatmeal or potatoes, without added fat, and see how you feel afterwards.
Snack foods like what? Potato chips, corn chips, crackers, candy and pretty much everything else is higher in carbs than fat. The carbs make you hungrier and the fat pumps up the calorie count. I can guarantee most people will be able to eat more potato chips then pork rinds.

To reach 600cals of starch more volume is required then 600cals of fat. 600cals of oatmeal is roughly 920g (4 cups) while 600cals of ghee is roughly 67g or 250g of steak or 100g of bacon. So you will initially feel more full despite eating the same amount of calories. But if you stop eating after consuming the calories you wont feel hungry after waiting for 30mins.

>>15387473
>Snack foods like what? Potato chips, corn chips, crackers, candy and pretty much everything else is higher in carbs than fat. The carbs make you hungrier and the fat pumps up the calorie count. I can guarantee most people will be able to eat more potato chips then pork rinds.
It is fat that makes you hungrier, not the carbs. Fat slows digestion fatty food takes longer for the stomach to process, fat delays blood sugar spikes, and delays insulin release. Fat in the blood even interferes with chemical processes in the bloodstream dealing with insulin and the cells. All this delays satiety. Fat is also calorie dense, so you cannot eat much of it, unless you want to gain loads of weight, this will leave your stomach mostly empty and unsatisfied
The fat in the snack food, like potato chips, doesn't give the cells what they want - sugar, so you won't feel satisfied, and will continue to eat until you eat enough sugars, but if you keep eating foods like snack food, which is a mix of fat and carbs, it will take much more food to feel satisfied because the fat in the snack food delays digestion and absorption of the starches.

In summary, to feel satisfied, give the cells what they want as quickly as possible - sugars, specifically glucose, which is in starches like oatmeal and bread. The faster you deliver the glucose to the cells, the sooner you will feel satisfied and the sooner you will stop eating. The hungry cells have no use for the fat immediately, that is why fat is transported to adipose tissue

>>15387406
They cause diabetes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2903931/

>>15387473
>Snack foods like what? Potato chips, corn chips, crackers, candy and pretty much everything else is higher in carbs than fat.
A potato chip is typically >50% fat calories. A potato is about 2% calories from fat.
A potato without added fat is one of the most satiating foods known to man, and fat correlates negatively with satiety.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7498104/
>Protein, fibre, and water contents of the test foods correlated positively with SI scores whereas fat content was negatively associated
>The highest SI score was produced by boiled potatoes

>>15387588
You really need to stop getting your medical knowledge from 1970s sugar ads.

>>15379881
No that's carbs

>>15387651
>rats
Okay, and also if you feed rabbits animal fat they can't process it and their hearts fail, which is literally the basis of the lipid hypothesis.

>>15387689
Yes. If your understanding of diabetes is "sugar makes diabetes" how do you explain the finding in animal models?

It happens in humans too
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5291812/

When will 4chan have a

This post's accuracy is disputed

>>15387711
>If your understanding of diabetes is "sugar makes diabetes" how do you explain the finding in animal models?
Animal models are often garbage, especially when it comes to nutrition. You can't look at animals with completely different dietary needs from humans, feed them diets tuned for humans, then expect the results to precisely predict human results. Like the example with the rabbits dying of heart disease, they're literally OBLIGATE VEGETARIANS and scientists fed them ANIMAL FAT and then assumed omnivorous human bodies must react the exact same way.

>Overweight/obese adults with normal glucose tolerance consumed a control diet (35 % fat/12 % saturated fat/47 % carbohydrate)
Yes, let's just ignore that the high fat diet STILL INCLUDED ALMOST HALF OF CALORIES FROM CARBS. Remember back when I said:
>>15385756
>Only because the high fat diets we study are the standard diet which is simultaneously high in sugar. We just ignore the sugar.
This is exactly the shit I was talking about.

if you need "science" to tell you whether eating eggs is good or bad for you, then it's already too late
>t. PhD

>>15387763
Nevermind that rats are chosen specifically because their physiology is similar enough to ours to extrapolate from, again how do you explain it? There are underlying mechanisms involved, and those mechanisms can be studied and applied elsewhere.
>Yes, let's just ignore that the high fat diet STILL INCLUDED ALMOST HALF OF CALORIES FROM CARBS
That's the control diet. The low-fat diet was 62% carbs, the high-fat diet was 27% carbs. Why is it that the high-fat diet was the one that caused more insulin resistance? Shouldn't it have improved insulin sensitivity in your understanding? You would think that more sugar = worse outcome, less sugar = better outcome, but that wasn't the case.

>>15387904
I'll say I don't know, but I wonder if the short time periods in the study had anything to do with it. I do know that people who go on LCHF diets routinely reverse type 2 diabetes and wean themselves off of insulin, though, which completely flies in the face of the idea that a high fat diet causes diabetes. It's also noteworthy that most LCHF diets are more like 5-10% calories from carbs instead of 27% and these changes occur over the course of several months. It's entirely possible that the problem is all the people in the study are carb-adapted by default (as almost every modern person is) and 4 weeks is not long enough for fat-adaptation to fully set in (especially at those carb amounts) which could mean the body is reacting poorly to getting so much energy from fat and they stopped the trial well before that could change.

>>15387965
>I wonder if the short time periods in the study had anything to do with it. I do know that people who go on LCHF diets routinely reverse type 2 diabetes and wean themselves off of insulin, though, which completely flies in the face of the idea that a high fat diet causes diabetes.
The difference may come from the fact that the study I posted didn't involve weight-loss and was designed to keep the subjects the same weight so that they could isolate the effect of just the composition of the diet, whereas your friends eating low-carb diets are trying to lose weight, and losing weight by almost any means improves insulin sensitivity. For them to have healed themselves of type 2 diabetes entirely is unlikely, but to wean oneself off insulin after cutting carbs is more of an effect of having less sugar in the blood to transport, not an indication that the body has improved its ability to process and utilize carbohydrates. It'd be like having a bad knee and then claiming you've fixed your knee problem by walking on your hands instead.

>>15387674
>38 foods separated into six food categories (fruits, bakery products, snack foods, carbohydrate-rich foods, protein-rich foods, breakfast cereals)

Where are the foods naturally rich in fat? Nuts, avocados, bacon, fatty fish, eggs, seeds, etc.? Every test I've ever read disavowing fat doesn't use participants in ketosis, still use a diet which gets a significant amount (25% or more) of energy from carbs or doesn't test foods high in fat but low in carbs.

>>15380166
Yes tell them what they think. Based

>>15387651
>>15387711
High-fat low-carb diets are proven to cure type 2 diabetes. I don't care about your contrived studies where they do things like inject rats with insulin and define homeostasis as "insulin resistance" because they have a pre-conceived conclusion.

Real world studies show high-fat cures diabetes. Period. Only lying vegans cite the type of studies you just cited.

https://www.virtahealth.com/blog/2yr-t2d-trial-outcomes-virta-nutritional-ketosis

>>15388098
That study compares an intensive regiment of weight loss, guided dieting, and medication by the Vitra Health corporation, compared to a control of doing nothing with no assistance, where the control group even gained weight over the course of the study. Buy stock in the company if you want but the data isn't that impressive

>>15388144
>>15388098
Also notice how on their webpage where they're listing the comparison of the results, they list HDL cholesterol and show that it went up, but don't advertise LDL cholesterol, which if you look at the study (table 2) can see that it went up 11 points above baseline, while the control group even managed to drop 10 points.
They lost weight and their cardiovascular risk went UP.