/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Why are you risking something like getting a food borne illness for no gain?

>>15304734
For poultry you really shouldnt use the same tools without washing them, same goes for any storebough ground meat because lazy wagies people dont clean their grinders and bacteria grows in them.

Everything else is ok though if you trust your butcher.

>>15304747
Because there is almost no chance of it ever happening. Letting it sit on a cutting board while I season it (I already patted it dry with a paper towel) doesn't do anything.
>>15304752
Never EVER EVER EVER had a problem with a patted dry chicken cut making me sick if it isn't spoiled. This must be something used to scare people that have never even talked to someone that had salmonella.

>>15304761
>implying lots of people dont get salmonellae from shit like this

>>15304767
>implying they do

>>15304734
Why do you like having slimy hands?

>>15304779
I rinse them off. No need to wash every time like a hypochondriac.

>>15304734
People are far too scared of raw meat because they don't understand it. Taught to treat any raw meat like poison from a young age. It's silly really.

>>15304734
>Touching raw meat
Perfectly fine if your hands are clean, and you wash them afterwards, so long as you don't touch everything with raw chicken hands.
>Use a separate cutting board for cooked meat
That's what you're supposed to do, you lummox, it's called cross contamination. If that's too wild a concept for you, you have no business cooking for other people and should drown yourself in the nearest river.

Alot of it is due to massive PSA program to educate public health on food safety with massive exageration of food borne illness

Yes technically they are correct in how food should be safely handled but its not really needed unless you're a public institution

normie millennials will shit their pants over slightly pink meat and then immediately go and eat unwashed lettuce

>>15304867
The meat is fine and is pretty dry. What is the big deal?

I’ve spent my entire life just washing my wood cutting board after cutting chicken and other raw meats on it. Had a friend recently flip out about it, but I don’t see the problem - it’s surly keen after getting blitzed with 80deg water and dishsoap

itt: scared Americans

>>15304917
millennials love Jose's shit particles in their salad

>>15304734
OP, it's called cross contamination. While you are probably going to thoroughly cook the meat to safe temperatures, or at least the outside surfaces of meat, on the other hand, your cutting board, sink faucet handle/fridge handle, knife handle and tools will touch hands and food that won't be sanitized by the same level of cooking. The entire "don't wash meat" CDC recommendation to home cooks has to do with splashing juices onto surfaces around the sink to be cross contaminated later. This doesn't mean it's not a good idea to wash meat in the first place. When it's not a home cook, restaurants are smart enough to use big bins and ice water and thaw and wash chicken before it goes into marinades.

The #1 cause of hospital infections that lead to death is health workers not understanding this "sterile field" mentality through poor training and making mistakes.

Imagine right now being one of the 25% of people who need to get hospitalized from food poisoning during covid, full listeria or salmonella in this covid situation right now.

You often see chefs in videos handle raw meat and don't give a damn about germs, everyone really, from Ramsay patting out burgers, to Jamie, but if you watch people like Julia Child on Emeril, Pepin or Sara Molten, really smart technical instructors, you'll see they wash up, switch out equipment, pause filming, trade out already prepared and marinated second trays of food, etc.

>>15305007
how do people still exist if meat is so dangerous? what did people do 500 years ago?

>>15305007
>Julia Child on Emeril, Pepin or Sara Molten
Fuck man I miss them all so much
I wish I could just turn on the food network at 7pm again and see emril live instead of whatever fucking drivel they have on now

>>15305023
500 years ago they didnt have industrial meat processing plants that splashed the blood and shit of hundreds of animals all over every animal product

>>15305023
>how do people still exist if meat is so dangerous? what did people do 500 years ago?
They didnt butcher meat in an industrial setting and then freeze it for a week to ship it 3000 miles away to sit in a freezer for another week before going to a store to sit on a shelf for another week before being bought and stored in a fridge for a few more days before being cooked.

It was butchered and consumed or cured immediately.

>>15304747
Idk, why do people eat raw produce and risk food borne illness? You realize most of the disease comes from the human shit particles on the hands of the illegals picking and packing the food right?

>>15305212
illegals also pack meat

>>15305007
Imagine none of this happens to me and your essay is hypochondriac behavior.

>>15304947
If you season your board with mineral oil it’s fine. You do season the board right?

>>15305214
Yeah which is why you cook it.
Go look at the food recalls. Almost all of them are from produce that people tend to eat raw like peaches or lettuce. Yet you don’t see people having fits about eating unwashed peaches.

>>15304761
There is almost no chance of me being robbed or having a house fire, bit I still have guns and smoke detectors in almost every room.

>>15305228
Yeah you have a point I just don't want to spread raw meat around my kitchen as long as the area I'm working in is washed off then it is fine.

>>15304950
>itp: Rent free faggot from who cares where

>>15305228
They won't listen anon. Japan eats tons of meat raw and they will chock that up to their practices being a "higher standard" even though our meat packing industry is highly regulated. They most common recalls for food bourne illness are lettuce and tomatoes for ecoli. Weird how it is never meat but they insist it is.

>>15305238
Based coward

>>15305023
Get sick and die a lot
Also
>>15305044
>>15305197

>never washed my utensils etc. remotely well
>only rinse of my hands after everything is done
>never been ill
imagine living in a country without food standards

>>15305238
>gun in every room

No kids detected.

>fire alarm in every room

Fire alarms are beneficial for evacuation or if they auto call the FD. If a fire is starting in your house when you are there, you would have to ve retarded to not smell it. You need one per floor tops. You'd be better off investing in an extinguisher, but people rarely have those. You can take precautions for everything in life. It doesn't necessarily make a difference.

Just and FYI the reason raw vegetables like lettuce get ecoli is from animal run off or the improper use of manure. Also of course you should rinse off your raw vegetables as well. I know that tomatoe I picked up at the store has been manhandled by some gook checking for ripeness.

Raw chicken is sketchy. Take it from a knucklehead like myself, never handle raw chicken then scratch your nutsz

>>15304734
>be an coomer
I’d throw up probably

>>15305252
The man who sleeps with a machete is a fool every day but one

>>15305007
Lol faggot
Raw meat is safe. I eat it sometimes

>>15305247
>even though our meat packing industry is highly regulated
Used to be, up until the last 4 years when consumer protection regulations governing meat production and all food production were gutted to give the megacorporate conglomerates a free hand to do whatever they want regardless of the harmful effects to consumers in order to satisfy their worship of Mammon.

>>15304747
I agree. That's why I never leave the house without wearing my helmet and knee/elbow pads. Never know when you might slip and fall!

>>15305212
i wash my greens

>CDC estimates Salmonella bacteria cause about 1.35 million infections, 26,500 hospitalizations, and 420 deaths in the United States every year.
Don't worry OP, your number will come up eventually.

>>15305472
Nah, I'm not gay.

>>15305007
I hope OP reads this

>>15304937
Cross contamination still exists in particles and liquid still present on the cutting board. Are you retarded?

>>15306003
Already did. Don't care.
>>15306035
NOT THE PARTICLES NO!!! It isn't a big deal. You are all playing the "well what if it does happen" card, but I'm telling you it rarely does happen from using the same cutting board. The vast majority come from spoiled food. Find me the cases of reusing the cutting board. You can't.

i just turn the cutting board over and use the other side when i need to cut meat

>>15306165
>Making your kitchen surface dirty instead of an easily washable cutting board

>>15304761
>Never EVER EVER EVER had a problem
You only need your luck to fail you once in order to put someone at risk

>>15305197
>It was butchered and consumed or cured immediately

But it wasn't necessarily

>>15306176
i dont have to worry about the kitchen surface if just turn the board over. when i have to do veggies i just turn it back

>>15306239
Basic cross contamination
>veggies
Why do you speak like a toddler?

>>15304867
>cross contamination
There's literally zero cross contamination if you wash the fucking board before you start using it again. That OCD bullshit about having colored boards may be necessary when you're employing minimum wage cooks who are borderline retarded, but you should be better than that.

>>15306310
It is Easer and faster to swap boards than to clean a single board every single time you are going to change tasks

>>15306310
>t. never worked in a commercial kitchen
When there's several people cooking a bunch of things at the same time it's useful to know at a glance whether you can safely re-use a chopping board without asking everyone if they remember what's been on it and if it will pose a risk for cross-contamination, allergies or dietary restrictions.

>>15306310
People with no experience should not feel entitled to have an opinion

>>15306187
I sometimes don't wash my cuts either. I bet you take risks where you shouldn't in other areas of your life because you deemed them to be of little risk. You brush your teeth twice, floss, and tongue scrap? No? Enjoy gum recessing and cavaties.

>>15306295
its not cross contaminating anything because i just flip sides though. the chicken never comes in contact with the veggie side. all you have to do is keep two knives and you never have to wash anything. its pretty great

>>15306320
he L I T E R A L L Y said that though

>may be necessary when you're employing minimum wage cooks who are borderline retarded

>>15306349
>Don't know what other people in the kitchen have been doing on this unmarked cutting board while you've been focusing on your own tasks? Heh, must be borderline retarded
You are actually retarded. Also

>he
Nice try, samefag

>>15306214
With regard to hogs they had gatherings where they butchered them in late fall. Hams, shoulders and bellys were salted and hung to cure in the smoke house, sausages were ground and stuffed into intestines some to cure but others kept fresh since the weather was cold enough to keep for awhile. Feet ears and snout were pickled. Ribs were BBQ'd, maybe a shoulder. Heart and liver were grilled and given to the kids as a special treat. Lard was boiled.

So yeah, pretty much it was either cured or eaten within a fairly short time frame.

>>15306142
>I ignore basic hygiene because I'm a fucking disgusting invalid
Salmonella might be good for you at this point.

>>15306360
maybe pay attention a little more? this is what that guy is talking about. if you are too stupid to multi task and keep an eye on your shit then thats on you

>>15304747
You're more likely to get sick from unwashed lettuce. Real question is why are you such a bitch?

>>15306477
I wash my lettuce I have a salad spinner.

>>15306456
>Watch what everyone else in the kitchen is doing while you're also working
As I said, you've clearly never worked in a commercial kitchen

>>15305472
>420 deaths
>300 million people

>>15306341
They both come in contact with the same surface
Textbook cross contamination

>>15306524
And 26,500 are sent to the hospital because of it, the fact that we can save their lives doesn't mean it's not dangerous.

Low risk, high consequences, OP.

>>15305023

Life expectancy wasn't super high in the 1500's, man.

>>15306336
>wrong about dentistry and food safety in the same post
Stop posting

>>15304734
It's because we have high iq's, so we avoid potentially dangerous situations. You, on the other hand....

>>15305023
Have lots of kids because nearly half of them would die before reaching adulthood.

>>15305294
>t. single dad

>>15306483
I do too. My point is people get far more sick from produce than meat. If a person isn't washing their vegetables they aren't handling their meat up to OCD guidelines either. Yet it's always the salad or boiled eggs that makes people sick

not gonna lie i scratch my asshole and sniff my fingers

>>15306627
>get far more sick from produce than meat.
True
Still don't want to get sick from either which is why I wash my hands and try to minimize cross contamination.

>>15306637
seek help

>>15306637
Based

>>15306637
do.. do you do this while cooking?

>>15306750
yes. i like the extra tang that the combined metalic aroma from my ass combines well with onions and garlic.

it's truly delectable

>>15306588
>"mommy it's too dangerous get the yucky raw meat away from me!!"

It's pathetic really.

>>15306577
>you're wrong about dentistry

Hmm you seem to think saying something is wrong is the same as proving it.

>>15304734
you are entirely too concerned with how I handle my meat, OP.

>another third world thread
lmao

I love raw meat.

Fish shouldn't be cooked at all imho

I eat a lot of raw food. Thank you tinder

>>15304804
>>15307456
Hygiene, mf.

>>15307570
>>15307586
TIL sashimi is sliced with a knife with gloves on. Also soya sauce & wasabi's main purpose is to kill bacteria. Carpaccio is in vinegar fot that reason too.

>>15305294
>No kids detected.
Why do you say that like it's a bad thing?

>>15306456
who talks like this? you sound like someone's shitty can't-get-out-of-his-own-way manager.

>>15307779
Lol

>>15306456
You don't belong in a kitchen. Stick with the T Bell and go back to /x/, big guy.

>>15304734
nice bait op

>>15306640
Stop falling for bait
That's still wrong

>>15304734

>CDC estimates Salmonella bacteria cause about 1.35 million infections, 26,500 hospitalizations, and 420 deaths in the United States every year.

>>15308026
Not him but procreating is a fucking meme
Just adopt instead of putting another worthless person on this planet

>>15308487
Okay anon I like feeding the trolls though.

>>15304734
maybe you don't live in america where all the meat is processed in filthy facilities and disgusting conditions. We wash our fucking hands here so we don't kill eachother or ourselves after touching our toxic meat.

>>15308488
>1.35 million infections
>less than 500 deaths
Sounds like the next Coronahoax to me.

Have had salmonella. Got it from pet turtles. Pretty impossible to accidently die from it. You have continuous diarrhea until you die of dehydration.
I cut chicken after cooking.
I freeze burgers in those sandwich bags, makes them perfect size for bread.

When you understand bacteria is coating everything everywhere at all times and that human beings have more bacteria cells than human cells; it kind of makes cleaning less urgent. It's mostly rules for foreigners handling your food.

>>15307627
>Carpaccio is in vinegar
no
>served with balsamic vinegar glaze
because fucking delicious

>>15304769
1.35 million infections, 26500 hospitalizations, 420 deaths a year in the US. Virtually all of them caused by food handling.

>>15309026
I love how the post with actual stats is ignored over everything else.

>>15305472
Dude 420 lmao

>>15308581
500 sounds like a very small number until it is one of your loved ones

>>15304734
I dont like the texture of raw foods and would rather cook them a bit first.

vertical farmed veggies is the future as you don't even have to wash these.

>>15304734
I once throat fucked myself with a raw chicken tenderloin. I didnt get sick.

>>15305212
Or you know the shit particles from the animals that live in fields. Not everything has to come back to your raging xenophobia

>>15304734
>Why are you all afraid of raw meat?
Fucking die of salmonela already you moron.

>>15309832
How do your parents feel about you being a faggot?

>>15309928
Salmonella isn’t deadly...

>>15305007
>during covid
>in this covid situation
Please keep using this type of language. It makes it easier to identify which opinions can be ignored

>>15304734
>he doesn't eat chicken sashimi
yikers

I had food poisoning from what I think was being unsafe with raw meat. It was fucking miserable. I spent 3 days moving between bed and the toilet. I had diarrhea that came on suddenly and frequently. I'd sometimes have diarrhea leak out of my ass just from things like rolling over in my bed or sitting up. I couldn't make it to the toilet in time once and made a huge disgusting mess in the hallway. I got dehydrated from shitting so much, I'd drink something and have liquid shooting out of my ass soon afterwards. It didn't matter how much water, Pedialyte, and Gatorade I drank, I just kept shitting it out. My stomach and colon were cramping and churning so badly it was hard to sleep. I ran a nasty fever and my whole body felt sore. After 3 days the steady stream of diarrhea slowed down, but it took another week to get back to normal.

>>15310214
Lmao ANON SHIT HIMSELF! ANON SHIT HIMSELF LOLOL

>>15310227
>tfw I shit myself

>>15304734
Stop being a fucking slob. Simple as.

>>15307627
That is all bullshit.

>touch raw meat
>wash my hands with hot water and soap because I'm not a fucking animal
wow that was hard

>>15309026
So you have a 0.4% chance of infection, a 2% chance of hospitalization if infected, and a 0.03% chance of dying if infected. That definitely justifies handling raw chicken like it's radioactive material.

>>15310469
>That definitely justifies handling raw chicken like it's radioactive material.

I bet a lot more people would get it if we all stopped washing our hands and started eating raw chicken like savages.

>>15310214
>i think

>>15305023
probably salt the shit out the meat because it was the only way to preserve it 500 years ago


also, dying a lot

>>15305023
you want to live like 500 years ago? cool, give yourself tuberculosis and stab out one of your eyes, very authentic

>>15304761
>Because there is almost no chance of it ever happening.
Do you also not wear a seatbelt when you're in a car because there's almost no chance of getting in an accident?

>>15305007
>covid
Yeah OP ignore this comment

>>15305349
>ORANGE MAN BAAAAAD!!!!!
I bet you've never read a USDA regulation in your life. Stop talking.

>>15308541
>American meat dirty!!!!
Silence, filthy foreigner
https://foodsecurityindex.eiu.com/Index

how the fuck do i cook chicken then

>>15310497
What do you think it was then?

>>15310630
I do, but I wouldn't freak out if someone didn't. Also, I'm not naive enough to consider something that keeps you strapped into a seat as similar to putting a cooked piece of meat om the same cutting board as the raw piece that has been paper towel dried.

>>15310804
>>15310063

>attempting to pass off your unhygienic troglodyte cooking habits as machismo

I guarantee you're a smelly fatso

>>15311073
You alright there, anon?

>>15310899
Why do you wear a seatbelt? What's the point? Only an incredibly small chance it'll be useful, right? Kind of seems foolish to even wear a seatbelt the same way it's foolish to wash your hands.
Heck, do you look both ways before crossing the street? If so, why? Chances of being hit by a car really are slim to none.
There's all sorts of safety precautions you take even though there's only a small chance they'll ever really save your life. So why do you take them at all?

>>15304867
>cross contanination
it all goes into the same stew pot genelet

>>15311386
Also, why not drink and drive when you're plastered? Why not go outside and randomly start spraying rounds from your popgun in all directions? Why not dump raw sewage in a lake or river? Why not refuse to obey the draft when the US mainland is invaded by a major superpower?

>muh freedom to cause harm and destruction to the US is more important than any silly rules I personally don't like, 'k?
Knuckleheads, every one of them.

>>15311386
>>15311899
Yeah, if people don't drop everything to wash their hands with hydrochloric acid every time their pinky bumps into raw chicken, we might as well live in a Mad Max anarchist utopia. Get a grip.

>>15304951
>>15305212
Go back to pol

>>15305228
You know fruit/veg contamination comes from animal manure run off in the fields? Not Mexicans hands. Jesus christ

>>15304734
>acts like tough guy even though actually just retard
Bet you don't eat your chicken medium rare, do ya, faggot?

>>15306627
>t. Retard
Got any actual facts to back that up?

>>15308603
>Forieners are more dirty than me, I don't wash my hands after handling raw meat
The state of this thread

>>15310469
You know what's unpleasant? Getting salmonella. You retards keep shifting three goalpost

>>15312006
Do you know what a logical fallacy is?

>>15312135
Hmmm, I'll have to check muh bible 'n see whut god says 'bout logical pharisees.

>>15309831
>veggies
Why do you speak like a toddler?

>>15304734
>open meat package
>now the entire kitchen is contaminated with bacteria
>touch meat
>hand rots away
>put meat on cutting board
>melts right through
bros why do i even use this radioactive material for eating

>>15313198
Raw meat is fucking poison, mate. Now let me eat my rare steak in peace.

>>15313013
caring about maturity speaks volume about your own maturity

>>15313273
No, it doesn't. Stop buying into relativism. Some things are better than others, and it pays to weed out things that are worse. This includes adults speaking like toddlers.

>>15308498
>literally cuckold yourself
nah

bro just rinse the blood and grease off
who are you trying to impress?
if you're an absolute savage who drinks cups of blood go right ahead but don't force other people to eat raw bits of chicken just cause you're too lazy to be in a kitchen

>>15310820
>all of the countries in africa and south east asia have unedible food safety quality and standards
Why is this?

>>15312006
Why can’t you answer the questions? You wear a seatbelt even though it really doesn’t save your life, there’s only a small chance of it ever helping you, same as with washing your hands with soap and water, which is apparently something you don’t do. So why wear a seatbelt?

>>15313470
Bro they simply do it the natural way bro. They eat their meat immediately and are super healthy bro. American meat is covered in piss and shit unlike these bastions of civilization.

>>15312090
>everything is pol
Back to plebbit or whatever tranny discord you crawled out from.

>I'm not from /pol/ but reddit tranny discord

>>15304747
You do cook your food right?

>>15304752
>because lazy wagies people dont clean their grinders and bacteria grows in them.
I wish you third worlders wouldn't spread rumours like this

>>15314931
Yes I'm trying to avoid cross contamination

>>15308541
>our

>>15314931
OP scoffed at the idea of using a fresh cutting board for cooked meat after cutting up the uncooked meat on it.

>>15315019
Op is an idiot

Many people are put off cooking by this fear. You should wash your hands after touching meat but it's not half as big of a deal as people make out.

>>15311073
me irl after i go to get my salted caramel ice cream and realize i have none left

>>15316536
if you prep everything you just have to wash you hands once most the time

microbial contamination risk grows with time, so while raw fish is perfectly safe to eat, a chopping board with 3 hour old fish body juices all over it is not

>dont cut meat on a wooden cutting board
>what else should I use?
>a plastic one

That was the moment I realized I should continue using wooden cutting boards for everything. A person telling me to rather cut on plastic than on wood because of health concerns is either mentally retarded or part of (( them ))

>>15316684
good quality plastic is fine but just make sure to wash your wood right away so it doesn't soak in
plastic is used in the pre-production so you'll never totally get away from risks of plastic in your food or even bits of metal for that matter
those x-rays and metal detectors are not in the best condition

>>15316732
Nigga stop trying so hard. I won't use plastic cutting boards.

>>15316748
did you try the bamboo ones yet

>>15316754
Nigga i've been using woodencutting boards since I was a child. And yes I currently have a bamboo one

>>15316758
i've also been using wooden ones since i was a kid
why are you so aggressive anon?
i'm not going to take away your wood
i only ask you to take care of it instead of being like the thousands of boomers every year that leave raw chicken soaking into worn out wood for hours so that cleaning it doesn't do anything and then make a sandwich on it

>>15316767
>why are you so aggressive anon?
i think ur kinda cute ngl

>>15305219
Will leftover salad dressing suffice?

The paranoia comes from the better safe than sorry shit they teach in school. As it is with all things that follow the "better safe than sorry" philosophy, the danger comes from being an complacent lazy fuck. Yes, you will get sick if you are a lazy fuck who never cleans anything so the bacteria has weeks to grow and get everyone sick. Just wash your hands and wipe down everything after you are done cooking and you are good.

>>15316684
>>15316748
Use a glass or metal cutting board instead because they won't absorb the juices or put anything in the meat.

>>15304734
I never understood the normies who are afraid to use the same cutting board for meat and veggies when the veggies are going to be cooked

>>15317324
Do you like dull knife?

>>15304734
>people say don't prep raw meat on wood
>do it all the time anyway
>properly sanitize and oil board regularly
>no problems ever
people who complain about this sort of shit don't cook and if they do cook, they leave dirty dishes out for days

>>15306336
>he only brushes twice

>>15317345
Remember what happened when the CDC told people not to wash their chicken and to instead let the cooking kill the germs? That was fun: https://twitter.com/CDCgov/status/1121807666215518208

>>15317348
Just sharpen your knife a little more often.

>>15317365
No, I just use a wooden cutting board

>>15306336
>cavaties

>>15305214
Who told you that, your girlfriend?

>>15317569
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-12-29/america-s-worst-graveyard-shift-is-grinding-up-workers?src=longreads

>>15317635
Think about the joke for a second you goober. I’m aware that illegals are in of all the shitty parts of agricultural production.

>>15317694
>get btfo
>g-guys, I was just funnin', 'k?

>>15317743
Nah it was definitely you that was a sperg that didn't get the joke.

>>15317743
I’ll forgive you if you’re esl and don’t know what “packing meat” means.

>>15304734
Raw meat is good for you. You can just go into any grocery store and grab some steak and eat it without any preparation and you'll instantly gain +10hp

>>15304734
The likelihood your chicken has salmonella is higher than two thirds.

Stop assuming stuff without reason.

>>15305308
I like this.

>>15319950
Salmonella in food birds has officially been wiped out in my country.

>>15319950
Complete bullshit unless you cite source.

>>15306214
you redditors are so easy to pick out, fucking go back

>>15316748
why not?

>>15311764
if you're just cooking one dish and will be heating all the ingredients that you'll be chopping then yeah, probably no big deal
if you're making a salad on the same cutting board you just cut up raw chicken on you are legitimately retarded