/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>15258514
if eating meat is ethical, putting imaginary lines between what animals are ethical to eat is delusional. Ethics don't have grey areas, it either is or isn't. If you have a ethical conundrum that you consider a "grey area" the reality is that it is unethical but you want to do it anyway so you make false excuse's to justify it.

>>15258514
any morality without a perfectly moral being (ie god) is built upon nothing

>>15258514
animals dont have souls so yes

>>15258597
t. never had a pet and has never left mommies basement.

>>15258514
>Is eating calf or lamb meat ethical?
depends how its raised & killed. in a cage? no. in a field sure. fast and painless? sure. slash its throat and leave it to drain out? no

>>15258514
Yes and no? As far as morality goes, consumerism, as successful and useful as it is for supporting and allowing the existence of modern human civilization, is not free from immorality.

Large scale farming is done mostly for profit. If it doesn't profit the farm to raise a lamb or calf to adulthood then you slaughter it for veal or lamb.

Even on a small farm sometimes you just end up with animals that shouldn't be raised to adulthood for one reason or another. Maybe an animal is born with a horrible birth defect. Maybe the mother rejected the baby. All sorts of things.

If it makes you feel better most veal and lamb aren't like what you see in your pic. They tend to be pretty large. Most lamb is just under a year old.

Honestly though I'd really like to eat a dairy steer/bull at about 9 months. Those babies get higher quality milk and it shows in their meat.

>>15258606

>>15258514
For reference, most veal calves are slaughtered at 4-5 months old.
Here' is a photo of a 5 month old bull calf.

>>15258623
i want to try really old meat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqXjsBwOjOI
most animals are slaughtered while they're still juvenile, pigs for example are slaughtered younger than lamb(6 vs 8 months)

>>15258629
Strawman

>>15258643
Me too desu.

>>15258670
reddit moment

>>15258623
It's interesting to me that veal was never a thing in the US until relatively recently with the proliferation of traditional European recipes, whereas it has been relatively common in Europe.

I suspect it's because we have had enough range land to bring every calf to full size no matter the size of the herd thus increasing profits since they're sold by weight. Europe oth had a limited amount of land and therefore had to reduce the herd population by culling some of the younger cattle and a tradition of eating veal developed. Just my theory.

>>15258789
Veal is a side-product from having dairy cows, you really do not need all the bull calves, and they are not economical to raise to compete with beef cows due to slower growth.

>>15258514
why wouldnt it be?

>>15258670
>strawman

I would assume it actually has more to do with cheese production. Europe, unlike US has a rich history of cheesemaking, which requires rennet to make.

Lamb tastes like ass

>>15258801
Still doesn't really explain why you never saw much of it until relatively recently since the US has always had dairys.

>>15258807
>>15258739
yikes

>>15259260
+1
edit: thanks for the post kind sir

>>15258558
This, as long as the animal is killed in a proper manner age really doesn't matter at all. I dont even think that those eggs with mostly developed fetus' is unethical just really fucking gross.

>>15259326
yikes-a-roonie

>>15259051
Ive seen veal on every itallian restaurant menu for my entire life. Weve always had veal in the US

>>15258514
I dont do veal based on how its raised. They keep them chained in little igloo things. Sad to see

>>15258558
I think there's a reasonable line to be drawn for particularly high intelligence animals. Great apes, corvids, parrots, and whales shouldn't really be on the menu and I don't think that's unreasonable to say. As far as age goes I agree.

>>15258514
about as ethical as drinking milk or eating cheese in the modern age. you tell me.

yes.
it's an animal. who gives a damn what it goes through to reach your table.

>>15259051
Maybe that's just the area you live in. What sort of heritage is dominant there? I live in a heavy Italian-American community and veal is everywhere.
>>15259450
This is fair. But there's a lot wrong with the meat industry in general, it's not an issue of eating meat itself.

>>15259429
When I was growing up I never saw it anywhere, but I didn't grow up among Guidos in NYC.

>>15258558
>Ethics don't have grey areas
Look at this moron. He read a Wikipedia article on Kant once and now he thinks he's an expert.

No, it is privileged and white supremacist. It should be available for free, like jannies and mods are.

>>15259514
Im midwest and not chicago. All the italian restaurants have had veal parm and veal chops

>>15259586
Ok, but we may have an age difference here that could account for that. And no I won't give my age, but I guarantee I'm older than you.

>>15259429
Yes. I use whether or not an Italian restaurant makes a great veal parm as my measure of whether they are worth returning to.

>>15259486
The line you're drawing is completely arbitrary. If IQ is the factor you base your ethics on, then it would be unethical to test the IQ of every animal you eat. What if that cow we slautered had an abnormally IQ and would have been on par with a whale? What if there was a retarded gorilla, would it now be ethical to eat it? If IQ was a determining factor, then it would be ok to eat retarded humans. Pigs and cows are both very intelligent, maybe not as smart as a parrot but at what IQ level do we cut it off and what is the reasoning behind it? The answer is none, its a completely fabricated line.

>>15259540
I guess it's easier to insult people when you lack the intelligence to hold a conversation.

>>15259540
go change your diaper.

>>15258606
i love my cat but he is not sentient and is ultimately my property

>>15258588
but we do have a perfectly moral God, anon. what is your post getting at?

>>15258606
I loved my pet mouse. He was my lil homie and I worshiped him and served him to the best of my abilities like the groveling human slave simp that I was.

But he definitely had no soul. If there is an afterlife for him its waxworm hell.

>>15258588
>god
You mean God and He is the perfect moral being whose existence is required for any system of logic and categorization to exist at all

>>1525851
Lamb is delicious, never had veal, and OP is a faggot.

>>15258558
>he thinks i draw the line not society
kek