/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Montbazillac is my go to wine, it's liquory sweet heaven in the mouth

>>15205498
I'm living in Israel and I recommend Jewish wine. It's far superior and worth the money. Try a bottle.

>>15205498
White wine is for faggots and women only.

Does Pinot Noir usually have a funky taste?

>>15205510
Or when you eat fish ?

>>15205510
Not true. Red wine doesn't go with seafood.

>>15205510
If Sauvignon Blanc and Champagne are gay, then call me Liberace

>>15205498
>I find that while I really like reds, I need food with them or else they're not as pleasurable.
I saw a wine anon in another thread mention that proteins will bind to tannins and thus eliminate some astringency in the wine. Maybe it's that?

>>15205521
It makes sense.
Even after a meal it still works. But if I'm sitting on my couch watching TV, the astringency of red can get a bit unpleasant after a few glasses.

I'm drinking a Cremant De Bourgogne right now
It is pretty good but I don't find it to be nearly as good as Champagne.
I'm starting to think that maybe real Champagne is not overpriced

>>15205510
>he doesn't have bottles of J.J. Prum Riesling from the 50's in his cellar
lmaoing @ ur lyfe

>>15205511
new world pinots, almost never outside of certain oregon/chilean ones
old world, depends on the region and producer. Funk like mushroom/forest floor tends to be a slight note that comes forward more as the wine develops with age. Funk like barnyard/Brettanomyces is a wine fault in large enough quantities but can be enjoyable if controlled

>>15205540
champagne has a mandatory 1 year of aging that serves to soften acid and add depth
that being said, a lot of champagne isn't worth it
Give franciacorta a try if you can find a vintage one, very similar aging and production requirements as champagne but often closer to the 20-30 price range.

Malbec's are very nice to me, but they're not very popular I think. I don't know a lot about wine, but I've tried several varieties and wineries and I just like Argentina malbecs.

>>15205570
Does the funk come from pinot skins?
Because I never get funk from Champagne even though they're mostly pinot noir usually

>>15205540
The French are sneaky cockmonglers, they often deliberately make their non-champagne sparkling wines shit, in order to prop up the main product.

There are a few exceptions, ex. Alsatian and Languedoc wines, but if you buy a sparkling wine from the Champagne region, expect it to be crap.

>>15205584
funk comes from yeast for the most part (Bret being one of those yeasts), and terrior/soil in some cases. If you really want to get into it, certain clones are more or less prone to developing certain flavors due to relative changes in acid and sugar. But yeah, 90% yeast.

Champagne yeast is known for an exceptionally clean fermentation, because depth for champagne is supposed to come from secondary aging + carbonation + dosage + further bottle age + reserve wines.

>>15205591
This Bourgogne Cremant is pretty good BUT it's more like apertif or chit chat wine. After having a Louis Roederer the other day, it's a definite downgrade (while still being enjoyable).

>>15205591
*non-champagne sparkling wine from the Champagne region

>>15205595
Many cremants are often bottled at lower pressure, so they have a very different drinking feel.

>>15205598
it is somewhat less carbonated, but the main difference of this one is that it has a strong pear flavor.

>>15205607
wait, meant to say it's more like a strawberry/pear flavor

I don't like acidic, tart, citrusy, or bright drinks. As far as whites go, am I just doomed to only enjoying babby woman tier moscato?

I've tried Sauvignon Blanc, pinot grigio, chardonnay and it's just too dry/bright for me.

>>15205622
Try more Sauvignons and Chardonnays
I had a (pretty cheap) one of each the other day and the former was crisp and tasty, the latter more buttery and tasty. Neither were sweet or acidic.

>>15205622
vouvray is the first step towards not drinking shitty moscato
gerwustraminer (look for ones that are less than 14% alc, they'll have some residual sugar) is the second step
If you want similar to moscato but less plebeian, tokaji, late-harvest riesling/lcewine, and sauternes/vin nobile are your friend

I'm so glad I got into wine/Champ.
Girls like it a lot more and I can catch a serious buzz without having to piss every 20 minutes

>>15205630
Thanks I'll look into those for next time I go shopping

I love eating oranges pears apples and other crisp fruits but I hate drinking them for some reason

>>15205635
try Glen Ellen Sauvignon Blanc
It's like 6 dollars and not too dry, sweet, fruity, or acidic
Just crisp and perfect as chit chat wine

>>15205498
you're drinking obnoxious boomer reds
plenty of food friendly red wine out there, you just have to venture beyond nineteen crimes and the mollydooker

>>15205622
try an auslese from 1997

some anon in another thread recommended Paillard NPU so I bought one
drinking it around xmas
will report in

>>15205498
Most Italian reds are good if you like a light bodied wine that’s fairly dry. Chianti if you really love heavy tannins.
Pinot Noir is always a great place to start.

>>15205622
You’d probably like Merlot

>>15205498
Cotes de rhone is a good one for beginners.
I love jammy red wines, so cabs are almost all I drink with food, but tend avoid anything with vanilla notes in it or too much oak.
Cabernet franc is good if you can find it too

>>15205498
For me, it's Carlo Rossi Burgundy.

>>15205950
you mean non-food friendly?

which Italian reds other than Chianti are widely liked by wine people?

>>15207469
for cheaper and more approachable:
montepulciano
valpolicella/ripasso/amarone
for more expensive and heavier/drier:
brunello di montalcino
barolo

>>15207409
no?

>>15207487
OP said that he finds reds to mainly be enjoyable with food

>>15207271
>Cotes de rhone is a good one for beginners.
Fuck yes.

I drank mainly California and New World wines for years, mostly because that's what's easily available. A $15 Cotes de Rhone from a local wine shop was my first introduction to French wine. Fucking blew me away. California wines taste like sugared boring juice to me now.

>>15205510
then lube me up and fuck me in the ass [spoiler]please

>>15205498
If you can find it, Saumur-Champigny is a very enjoyable red wine.

>>15207469
chianti isn't really a "wine people" wine, it has a slight following with contrarian hipsters because "it's not your dad's chianti" and it has a slight following with boomers (which is why some hipster provocateurs like it) otherwise it's just a normal wine

paolo bea is the current-season hipster darling, occhipinti is the "safe" hipster choice of a few years back

>>15207507
Italian and Argentinian wines are a good value too

>>15207534
It goes so well with Italian food though, I don't care if wine snobs don't like it

>>15207534
I didn't imply that it was the choice of wine snobs but it seems that there are quite a few Sangioveses considered to be great wines, that's all I meant

>>15205622
Two options basically.
>richer dry whites
While most dry white wine tends to be fairly high acid, richer styles certainly exist. Look for wines aged in oak and that undergo malolactic fermentation, which converts malic acid to lactic acid, resulting in creamier, less sharp wine. Chardonnay, chenin blanc, viognier, and marsanne/roussanne are good bets as far as varietals go.

>sweet or off-dry wines
Balancing acid with sugar also works. Many rieslings/gewurztraminers and some chenins are made off-dry. Beyond that, there are dessert wines also that are quite sweet. Late harvest, ice wine, wines made from partially dried grapes like vin santo or vin de paille, and botrytized wines like sauternes and tokaji aszu.

With sparkling wines add a bit of cassis for kir royal, or some aperol for a nice cocktail.

>>15207469
Montepulciano d'Abruzzo
Etna reds
Amarone della Valpolicella
Barolo and to a lesser extent other Nebbiolos
Brunello di Montalcino
Super Tuscans I guess
Orange wines from Friuli, eg. Radikon, Gravner
Sangratino
Salice Salentino

>>15207507
The Rhone makes some of my absolute favorite wine in the world, at pretty well all price points. At the affordable end CDR is incredible value; at the midrange you get Gigondas in the south and St Joseph/Crozes-Hermitage in the north; and at the top end there's Condrieu, Chateauneuf-du-Pape, Cornas, and the two best Syrah appelations anywhere (and probably my absolute favorite wines period) in Cote-Rotie and Hermitage (also white Hermitage is phenomenal). It's an amazing wine region.

>>15205510
Do straight guys actually drink wine to impress other people?

>>15205622
May I suggest white wines from southern italy?

>>15207229
Really good pick man, Paillard makes some stellar wine. The champagne I've got set aside for Christmas is also one I've never tried, Philipponnat 'Clos des Goisses'. I'll be really interested to see how it is.

>>15207526
Seconding this.

>>15207507
California makes some great wine but WAY too often it's A) laughably overpriced and B) a jammy fruit/oak bomb.

>>15205510
Sans pinot grigio and chardonnay with salmon, this is true.

>>15205498
Pálava is my go to whenever I don't look for a specific taste.
But I've been induling in Zweigelt a lot lately.

>>15205498
For easy drinking just go for some Primitivo di Manduria. But in general you'll just need to try different varieties and types until you find "your" wine. For example for me the best wine there is is Nobile di Montepulciano, but I know many people who think it's disgusting.

>>15208617
>disgusting
How? Why?

It might not be my absolute #1 wine ever (hermitage is) but it can be great, especially with a little age.

Can any anons recommend a sparkling wine that's similar to Moet and Chandon champagne but doesn't cost close to $50 a bottle?

It does not have to be French.

>>15205498
You'll do fine with $10/bottle wine. Try South American wine if you live in the states, they are pretty cheap.
Try Vinho Verde - very crisp and cheap portuguese wine.
Malbec and Pinot Noire for reds.

Tawny port and cream sherry.

Also Sauvignon blanc and merlot.

I can only drink whites that are not completely dry. The sweetness has to be there to balance the minerality and acidity combo.

For reds i really came to enjoy this Lebanese wine. It's rather dry with a great smell and flavor. Reasonably priced as well (by Norwegian standards).

>>15205515
Meds would disagree.

>>15205498

Not particularly strong or complex, just a red on the sweeter side of things with tones of plum.

Truthfully I can go through one of these in a night and feel okay the next day as well.

>>15208766
Gruet Brut costs like 12 dollars and is pretty good for a basic Champagne flavor.
If you want real Champagne then there are options for around 30 dollars like Mailly that are apparently pretty good.

>>15208766
Cremant d'Alsace tends to be a good bet.

>>15205498
You really ought to look into sparkling French wines from outside the Champagne region.

Cremant de Bourgogne costs like one half to one quarter as much as true Champagne, and is every bit as good.

I heard adding white wine to vegetable soup is healthier because it brings out the alcohol soluble vitamins, is this even true?

>>15209666
>>15209703
These. Cremant wines are made using the same method as champagne and can often offer really solid quality for way less money.

>>15207876
funny you should mention Philipponnat, I was looking at the Goisses but multiple sources said some combination of it's underperforming for the money and needs more age

did pick up these two though, which are apparently comparable quality for significantly less money

>>15209741
sounds like bullshit, but I've been wrong before

personally I just get a cheap bottom shelf red and mix it with coca-cola. if anyone dares tell me it's gross I say it's a part of Basque culture and say they're not world-ly and need to travel more

>>15205498
I mainly drink Italian wines. Folowed by American wines, followed by French wines. Really it is because that is what I find in the liquor stores around me. I know France is meant to be the best, but I drink Italian most of the time. Some italian wines I like are Nebbiolo wines (Barbaresco, Barolo, Gattinara), Etna Rosso, and Sangiovese (Rosso di Montalcino, Vino Nobile, Brunello).

I have always been kind of dissapointed with the Bourdeaux and Red Burgundy that I have bought. Of course I know the high end bottlings of these things are the best, but I cant afford that stuff. I DO have to say I love a good Cote du Rhone. Châteauneuf-du-Pape, Vacqueyras, and Gigondas are always very delicious.

As far as American wine, Willamette Valley Pinot Noir is fantastic. Russian River Valley also makes good pinot noir. I have to admit I do love a good, big, extracted Napa cab as well. One cool wine I discovered is Washington State Syrah, there are some insane syrah being produced there.

>>15209770
Goisses 100% needs age, it only really takes off when it gets older but it's a monster with enough bottle age imo. Because of the way the vineyard is the wine takes a long time to get going but it can last for like 50 years.

That said, 1522 is great.

>>15209741
Not sure about vitamins but certain flavor compounds are way better extracted by alcohol. Fennel, for example, has a few.

>>15205498
I am not a winefag, but this is great. Not astringent and no hangover after drinking. Not expensive. Absolutely love it and I think it's the best one I've had. I don't care about what year it's from either. It's just a safe buy for me.

>decide to drink Malbec for once instead of Pinot or Cab
>find some 2000's Argentinian vintage
>it's the best red I've had all year

Is South American wine underrated? It's honestly better than any comparable Napa or Sonoma reds I've had lately

>>15209880
south american wine hasn't been underrated since all of the retards migrated from merlot to zinfandel and malbec because of sideways

that being said, argentinian pinot noir is heavily underrated, there are some fucking fantastic pinots that would retail for multiple hundreds in other parts of the world going for 40-90. Bodega Chacra is one of them.

>>15205498
I never really cared for wine until recently, but I mostly just drink cheap stuff like 19 Crimes, I don't even know where to begin with expensive wines. Literally until a month ago I always hated reds and thought everything else was too sweet to drink much of, I don't know what happened but now I crave red wine specifically.

>>15209880
What was the Malbec? I remember having one a long time ago, tasted like pure acid and the color was purple.

>>15209703
I had a Burgundy cremant last night and it was really nice but had a strong strawberry flavor which I wasn't crazy about it

>>15205498
Bordeaux is good. I like vouvrays as well. There was some type of wine made with oranges I had recently that I really liked as well

>>15210061
>>15210012

Lindaflor Valle de Uco 2005

>>15207507
is it that California wines are sweet or that they just lack the old world winemaking tradition?

why didn't you faggots tell me about sauturnes earlier, this shit is delicious

>>15209880
I think it's widely known among wine people that South American wines are a good value.
My Francophile Uncle who was a gourmet cook and wine enthusiast was getting into them in his later years because of the great value.
Honestly though, I only find French wines to be expensive on average

>>15210264
It's that american wine regulations are much less strict so you don't really know what you're getting unless you're paying top dollar

>>15210275
I also figure that wineries try to produce styles that the climate/terrain is not good for

>>15210281
Probably. We can be too ambitious in the states sometimes

>>15210264
No it just sells well. Californian wines when done properly are the best of this world. Too bad most, even the so called premium wines are done to appeal to the lowest common denominator

>>15210264
Caymus is the single largest purchaser of beet sugar in the united states
Non-enthusiast wine drinkers prefer off-dry fruit bombs, and a large subset of the market caters to them

What are some good brut NV champagnes?
I had a Louis Roederer the other day and it was the shit, a little pricey though.

>>15210475
Charles Heidseick NV Brut Reserve is one of the best out there, but it'll run you 50-60 bucks
Costco's non-kirkland champagnes are very good for the money if you're looking for cheap.
There are very few NVs worth a shit under 40 bucks these days, just the nature of the market unfortunately.

>>15210495
I was doing some research and I see that Mailly (among others) are a little over 30 dollars and have great reviews. Like at least 4.0 on Vivino

40% cognac is always the way to go for a wind-down moment.

>>15210505
Depends on where you live, they're heavily intertwined with Total Wine and they like to jack the price up to 40 around the holidays every year
De Margerie is a total wine MA (basically custom-ordered and made store brand) and is probably the best for the money champagne they carry if you can get it for 30-35
t. used to work at total wine

>>15205574
Same

>>15210532
yep, I was referring to Total Wine
And de Margerie was another one that I saw with good reviews.
They even had a 20 dollar one that had good reviews. But I don't mind paying a little extra for a nice rounded creaminess/nuttiness as opposed to just a pleasant but nothing special apple soda kind of taste.

>>15210532
have you ever had this one?
https://www.vivino.com/grand-esprit-marquis-de-la-mysteriale-extra-dry-champagne/w/5655961?year=N.V.&price_id=20205940&cart_item_source=article-new_years_sparkling_2020

>>15210566
Yes, I would stay away from it, it's very prosecco-esque. As a rule of thumb, steer clear of anything extra-dry. Because of some weird old nomenclature, the dryness order for sparkling wine goes:
Brut Nature/Zero Dosage < Brut < Extra Dry < Medium-dry < Semi-sweet/demi-sec < Sec/Dolce

Very very few wines to the right of Brut for champagne make it out of france, the ones that do are mega-brands, usually of lesser quality. It's perpetually on sale at vivino for 20 bucks to sucker people into paying it. It's like wine soda, reminds me of candied apples.

>>15210581
Champagne used to mostly be full blown doux though, so I'm not opposed to the idea of it not being super dry.
I prefer dry myself but I'm not opposed to it having a little more sugar if the flavor is good.

>>15210595
If you're looking for quality at a good price, Franciacorta and Sekt are your best bet. Budget champagnes will burn you more often than not.

You can also go for some Tasmanian wines. Pic related is fantastic and made in the champagne method. Should be 20-25 dollars

>>15205622
Try fiano, chenin blanc, viognier. Fianos I've had can have a herbacious subtlety to them. Not bright or acidic

>>15205515
moron

>>15205515
This is like someone saying they don't like dark beer. It just shows how uneducated you are with the drink

I like malbecs and cabs
highly recommend the 2011 Norton Reserva as a perfect intro to Argentinian malbec and it's only like 10 bucks or so

>>15212571
also based Publix has a retarded selection of wine and beer it's like a mini liquor store with tons of craft brews and crazy wine selection

I hear that Bollinger is planting Arbane and Petit Meslier
I hope the Champagne board changes position and allows new plantings of these grapes

I just buy everyday wine on amazon now. 6 bottle boxes for $60/$70. they mix and match so you never know what you will get but they tend to put at least one great wine in with 5 decent ones. got a 2015 medoc in the last one which I will save for christmas to follow the tradtional premier crus chablis with dinner.

>>15212662
>wine on amazon
>tfw not available for me
i live near atlanta as well so a pretty big metro area with whole foods/amazon fresh delivery
know of any other options for internet vino?

>>15205498
daily reminder that wine is a complete meme and even professional winefags have been shown to be unable to differentiate between different types

it's just dirty grape juice

>>15213062
I'm the worlds best human in reacting strongly to placebos. Wine makes me so happy and I enjoy the variations a lot so by my own illusions and willpower I extract great happiness from a mere meme just brings another smile on my face. Cheers anon.

>>15213062
it gets you and the women around you drunk you buffoon

>>15205498
I'm having steak for dinner tonight, what type of red pairs best with it?
I prefer red blends, if that helps any.

I don't know shit about wine and I drink a bottle every week. I mean I know what I like and I know all the different tastes (at least most of em) it can have but I can't really describe it or if I did i'd probably use the wrong words anyway. Point being every year we've got about 2-3 wine fair in the area and a big "wine road" where you go visit all the local producers where you can taste and buy directly from em. Usually we go with family friends and it takes the entire day to do about 15 caves. All I know is you get what you pay for unless it's some old grandpa that's really happy to sell you his more than decent bottles for 3euros per unit. Anyway it's simple, the good shit costs at least 12-15e/bottle and the good enough stuff is around 8-9. I'm not really experienced with the truly expensive ones because most people here don't really have the income to afford it. Rural Burgundy btw.

>>15213138
I love drinking wine (especially Champagne) but I find that the tasting notes are usually bullshit
Like people always talk about Champagne tasting like brioche and I've never noticed that, it tastes more like apples and acid

>>15213062
Moron.

>>15205503
My gf loves this shit. For me it tastes like Coke but whatever

>>15213480
Coke is tasty though

>>15213107
virtually any red will work. cabernet sauvignon is the classic, but I prefer cabernet franc or syrah/petite syrah for a spicier/more herbal interaction

>>15213518
What wines do you like with fish?
And does Champagne go well with foods other than fish?

Is semillon wine any good?

>>15213521
Etna rosso and etna bianco are my two favorite wines to pair with fish. Rosso for non-oily/blackened fish, bianco for everything else

Champagne goes extremely well with cured meats or anything sufficiently salty/savory. Sushi, mushroom-heavy dishes, hard cheeses, shellfish, and chowders/stews that aren't super spicy. The rule of thumb for pairing is 90% of wine/food pairings work because acid and salt like each other.

>>15213529
Australian semillon is very nice, especially if you find some non-screwcap ones, they can age for several decades just like good riesling
more 10-20 dollar semillons are nice too, typically somewhere between chenin blanc's ripeness and sauvignon blanc's cutting acid. French semillons are very limey unless they're dessert wines, so they're ususally blended 30-50% with sauvignon blanc.

>>15213552
>they can age for several decades

Good to know, I was gifted a 2001 kalin semillon. What's a good food paring for this type of white wine?

>>15213518
Thanks, I was gonna try some Nando's peri-peri sauce on the side for the steak so I'll probably go with the syrah.

>>15213567
pork dishes and most vietnamese dishes work wonderfully, things with lots of fat in them as long as they're not extremely spicy, as that exaggerates the alcohol burn of the wine
could do duck/goose too if you have the balls to cook it properly

Where my biodynamic/natural bros at?

Recommend me some wines from portugal. What are some essential portuguese grapes?

What I don't get about wine is how you can tell $20 bottles from $80 to $200 bottles, like beer is easy the quality of recipes so dramatically increases as you go up but wine seems like a lot of nonsense

>>15213643
what a fucking dumb name "biodynamic" or "natural" complete nonsense words

>>15213651
touriga nacional and touriga franca are the two big ones, most Douro wines are predominantly one of these two
Alvarino is the predominant white, used in most vinho verde. Note that vinho verdes are slightly effervescent and very cheap wherease alvarinos tend to be higher quality and a few dollars more expensive

Port is their claim to fame and you should definitely explore it too.
Quinta Das Carvalhas makes a white blend from Gouveio and Viosinho, very good but not dirt cheap
Quinta Do Vale Meo makes a 30 dollar red blend and a 90 dollar red blend which are both really really good

>>15213661
Words mean things in Europe.

>>15213684
biodynamic is pseudo scientific garbage terminology, marketing bullshit

>>15213692
It's worse than that, it's a moon watching autistic german organic/holistic agricultural philosophy. It still has a rigorous charter for certification and manages to make grapes that make great wine (with the least sulfite added). Less hit and miss than natural wine.

Just tried this French wine that single-handedly convinced me that Rose isn't a meme - it's called Whispering Angel - insanely good

>>15213692
As this anon >>15213746 states, Biodynamic is a very specific thing, it isn't marketing. It IS based on myths, folklore, and mythology rather than science, and it IS batshit crazy, having requirements like putting bull horns in the fields based on cycles of the moon and shit. However, there is a lot of great Biodynamic wine especially out of France and even Italy.

>>15213982

Just because it has a specific, enforced definition doesn't mean it isn't marketing. Its a fake technical term dreamed up by marketing people

Just look at GMO labels, they have a very specific definition but the definition is complete nonsense and anti-intellectual marketing bullshit

>>15213840
drink literally any other provence rose, please, I beg you, they are better and cheaper

>>15213643
I drink my wine without copper sulfate, thank you very much

>>15214034
why?

>>15213840
>this French wine that single-handedly convinced me that Rose isn't a meme
>drinks the biggest meme Provence rosé of them all

>>15214012
Don't mistake an absence of evidence for evidence of absence

Is chardonnay supposed to taste like someone pissed in the liquid butter at the theatre? What the FUCK is this?

>>15215575
Shitty cheap California chard like Kendall Jackson will taste like that, yeah.

>>15205498
My man be liking pleasurable reds.

>>15215575
>What is diacetyl.

>>15205498
pinot noir wine it's pretty good even if here in italy we got a shortage.

>>15213643
>Biodynamic
take those fucking shenanigans out of here, idiot

>>15217051
I like Glen Ellen Chardonnay and that costs like 6 dollars

>>15217417
Sorry about your shit taste. You couldn't pay me to drink that shit.

>>15217440
I didn't say it was great but it's not bad either

>>15213147
Tasting notes are not bullshit, but they are not "real". They are just words we use to describe, and there is a dictionary. What they mean with brioche is not that it literally taste like brioche, but it's something like "yeasty and buttery, a bit greasy but in a good way".
Then, of course, there are various levels to this, like when people say red fruits but someone else can tell strawberries from other berries.
Imho the first two levels of the wheel are "real", anything more specific is too specific and has more to do with how the flavours interact with each other, your personal experience, and so on.

>>15217538
And you can see this in how different wheels have different descriptors. Like this one, that includes orange under citrus notes, while the first wheel didn't have it.
Basically, it's a language and as long as you understand it and can use to communicate it's fine.

what im sipping this evening
also is anyone here familiar with Talley wines? i bought a 2013 stone corral pinot planning to have it with the xmas goose. bit of a novelty as US wine is usually a massive ripoff here but I fancied a change from burgundy...

>>15205570
based riesling head, got a case of badstube kabi 2019s arriving spring
cellar atm is mostly max ferd richter and domaine weinbach

>>15207876
madly jealous of the Goisses! Ive got a Pierre Paillard Pucelles XV for xmas day along with a top english sparkler (sugrue)

>>15207469
because everyone else who responded to you is a faggot none of them mentioned italy's most based red wines:
aglianico - best come from taurasi in campania or mt vulture in basilicata. like the fucked up lovechild of a pessac-leognan with a barbaresco
gaglioppo - found in calabria, ciro being the most famous region

>>15207526
or any over cab franc from the loire. drank some 9 year old chinon for 12 quid and it was still ripping

>>15212617
aubry make a delightful champagne called nombre d'or which is a quarter each arbane, petit meslier, pinot blanc and chard. one of the producers near me in england have recently planted a couple of rows of each - apparently they're a real nightmare to manage canopy/yield-wise

>>15213062
>pee pee poo poo

>>15213552
>non screwcap
screwcaps are godly - no risk of premox, no risk of TCA post bottling. wines age beautifully under a stelvin, ive had 10-20 year old NZ chard and merlot that were developed perfectly under screwcap

>>15213643
a lot of wine i drink is incidentally natural and i think low intervention makes for usually better wine but 'natty' juice bullshit is 90% of the time a rip off that tastes like cheap ass beauj villages

>>15213840
cant believe the provencal have managed to con people into spending >$20 on this shite.

>>15215575
the fake butter flavour on popcorn is diacetyl, the same compound produced in malolactic fermentation under certain conditions. this process is extremely popular for chardonnay and when done with overripe fruit (aka bad california, australia and south of france chardo) can completely dominate the wine

try a white burgundy - a st romain or auxey duresses shouldnt be too expensive - to see chardonnay in its natural environment

Red wine is horrible, especially considering its percentage. It's like drinking a spirit except it's 1/3 the strength. White wine is nice because you have it chilled. Even cheap ones are good. Champagne, cava, prosecco, etc. are god tier.

>>15205498
I have found two wines that I like to drink regularly. Red and a white. My go to red is Campo Viejo Rioja Tempranillo and it is easy to drink and enjoy with or without food. It is inexpensive and is easy to find. It's about $8. The white wine I like is Nobilo Sauvignon Blanc. It is very light and refreshing. I can get it for about $11 a bottle. If I am wanting to splurge I will get Cakebread Cellars Napa Valley Chardonnay it is about $40 a bottle and is buttery, dry, and although it is not sweet it has a faint almost peach flavor. It is excellent. Champagne is kind of overated, but I like Veuve Clicquot Le Grande Dame ($180) and occasionally if I just want sparkling I will get Francis Coppola Sofia Blanc de Blancs it's fruity and slightly sweet but not headache inducing($16).

What are some good cheap wines that can be found at any shitty liquor store?

>>15217789
>Champagne is overrated
I disagree. It can be pretty overpriced but it's easily the best sparkling wine

>>15212571
totally out of alcohol so i made a quick trip to kroger
i've had a malbec from both apothic and casillero del diablo before which were solid so i picked up some of their cabs
apothic was on sale for 8 bucks too

>>15218262
Nah its overrated. I know this because there is a winery here that produces brut with traditional method that tastes like bollinger for 22 dollars. However i will not reveal the name since they produce only so much and I dont want people that live here in vancouver to drive up prices.

>>15218405
That's the exception though.
Prosecco and Cava are less interesting to me, and the American Champagne can go either way
Gruet is pretty good but not as good as most real Champagnes

>>15218496
Just buy cremants then lol

>>15205498
'Needs to be drank with food' is a shit excuse for not trying to fix your unbalanced wine the following year. The idea is to shift the blame onto you for pairing it with the wrong meal.

Drink new world wine. Oaked shiraz, oaked pinot noir, oaked chardonnay.

>>15205498

>>15218405
economies of scale will do that, an equivalent local product will always be cheaper to obtain than something shipped from france that's subject to tariffs

On the other hand, your average person's local wine scene is very likely to be shit unless they live in a famous winemaking region

>>15218988
I tried a cremant the other night and it does not taste like Champagne.
They use different grapes

>>15217727
>'natty' juice bullshit is 90% of the time a rip off that tastes like cheap ass beauj villages
I've tasted lots of natural easy drinking summer wines, some almost rose. What i posted is a blend of 30% Pinot, 30% Merlot, 20% Marselan, 20% Roussanne, the mix of red and white grapes was well executed. Pet nats are great as well. Guess I just got a good caviste, rarely been dissapointed by a natural/biodynamic wine.

>>15218316
update:
the casillero del diablo cab is wildly smooth with legs for days

>>15219354
i absolutely think there's a place for the style i just dont like spending >£25 on one dimensional wines
like i went to real wine fair in london last year and there were a ton of gorgeous things but also a huge amount of very samey semi-carbo reds and light skin contact whites

also i am super sensitive to mouse taint which ive had a problem with in a few recent natural wines with zero added SO2

God I fucking love Champagne
It's perfect if you have a girl over too

What are your favorite Champagnes under $60?

>>15220337
For me, it's J. Lassalle Preference

I buy that shit by the case, it's so fucking good for 35-40 bucks

>>15219847
I honestly feel like if you're going to do skin contact on a white you should fucking go for it. Super light skin contact is rarely my jam, but some of the really heavy skin contact orange wines I've tried have been some of my favorites, notably Radikon wines from Friuli. Had a bottle of '05 Oslavje last year that was just insane.

>>15220463
Damn that sounds great. Not about orange wines, but Friuili has become one of my favorite regions for white wine in Italy and just in general. I had this wine a while back and it was delicious and unique. This is not to mention the more standard Friuli Pinot Grigio, Sauvignon, and Friuili grape wine.

http://www.viediromans.it/content/?id=172

>>15217211
>>15217739
Fuck, I didn't know it's actually the same thing, that's pretty vile.

>>15220600
Friuli is a super underrated region. They actually make some really good (if hard to find) red wines as well, merlot as well as indigenous varieties like refosco

>>15205498
Malbecs and Cab Savs are the best

>>15219847
>spending >£25
Dog no, why would you spend more than 12€ for a good one dimensional aperitif wine. Mouse taint is a bitch, once you notice it, can't untaste it. Part of natural wine's hit/miss.

>>15220463
I've had some great orange wines when I was in Slovenia but I doubt they export easy.

>>15220600
>>15221951
+1 for liking Friuli, this Schioppettino red was pretty great. Italy should really put forward its varietal diversity like Portugal is doing now.

>>15222541
I have a bottle of Bressan Scioppettino that I'm going to try soon. Apparently it's a benchmark.

Very based and redpilled wine and so I'm surprised we stock it. Apparently it's one of our buyer's epiphany wine so I guess that why.

We also stock the wine you posted but I haven't tried it. How is it?

Boxed wine is cheap and will fuck you up, this shit doesnt even taste like wine it's absolutely delicious and if you disagree then you're a pretentious faggot. Sure there are expensive wines that do taste better but the price/taste ratio of goon is simply unbeatable.

>>15221963
Which Cab Sauvs do you like?

>>15213840
If you drink it when it's cold outside you're doing it wrong

>>15217538
>>15217557
Some people are just unable to name them without clue or context. A friend and I were able to find all the four tasting notes of a red wine. We bouth found two and they were pretty obvious to us but not to the guy who challenged us, who accused us of reading the bottle beforehand. In fact, you have to train for it, like perfumers' noses, and almost nobody does it.

I'm a complete slut for blanquette de limoux

>>15223076
Possibly the gayest post on this board

>>15222787
Juicy/fruity redfruits/violet with a backdrop of peppercorn/spice and a decent finish, well balanced acidity for easy drinking, more body than gamay so it could hold up to a meal easier but i'd just recommend it as an aperitif. Definitely on the lighter side of Schioppettino expression, the only other one I tasted was more earthy/spicy and had some oak age(compared to this ones stainless steel).

>>15223110
t. untrained tastebudslet

>>15223076
>>15223225
>find all the four tasting notes
>calls someone else a tastebudslet

dude if all you taste in a wine is the shit they write on the bottle you aren't tasting right. you should be tasting with an open mind (ideally blind) and not trying to find anything in particular. there are no correct or incorrect notes for an individual wine

also if you're drinking wine with tasting notes on the bottle you're probably drinking some pretty plebeian shit

Wine is gross but I like to cook with it. I'd much rather drink brandy than wine. Wine is too syrupy.

>>15223316
brandy is great too - i got a bottle of tariquet xo bas armagnac for crazy cheap and it makes such a nice post dinner drink

syrupy is an odd issue to have with wine, maybe you should branch out and try more variety of wine? something like a muscadet or a silvaner will be the absolute opposite of syrupy in texture

>>15205498
If you have the finances to tes one or two mew wines every week, try to take down just one line or two of notes on the wines you try. Try to include your impressions and grape variety. After a few months or a year or so, you should start seeing a pattern with your notes. Now you know that you're mainly into "fruity" wine, or Spicy wine, and you might find out that you tend to like Malbecs or Zinfandels or syrahs or petitverdots or whatever, and the you won't have to take that many stabs in the dark anymore - even when you want to try something new.

>>15205498
I have three grape varieties I mainly go to:
1. Syrah
2. Riesling
3. Any blend with petitverdot.

>>15223259
It was just funny that what came to my mind, arising spontaneously from my sensory experience, happend to be written on the bottle. Whereas the friend who read the notes couldn't taste any.

Also, I worked a few months with a nose who told me how they are trained to detect fragrances. It's such an idiosyncratic and un-analytical process, yet it can be discussed and taught. It will probably never cease to amaze me. After all, wine tasting notes (or tea, coffee, whisky, dark chocolate, etc) are mostly that: retro-olfaction of some more or less mysterious molecules.

We may not have the same subjective sensory experience, but the sensorial material is the same and some people have the skills to describe it on a common, shared level.

Tis the season

>>15218496
Prosecco is completely different from champagne though, they use different grapes (aromatic glera vs non aromatic pinot and chardonnay) and it doesn't use the traditional method.
Italian "champagne" are Franciacorta, Alte Langhe, or Trento DOC.

>>15220463
I have tried some skin contact bottles from Friuli and imho they all lack something compared to Georgian skin contact wines. I suspect it's because the skin contact wines in Friuli lack the stems, which are used in Georgia. I will make some wine and I will test this theory.

Another Italian example is "a mi manera" from Lison (Veneto, but near Friuli). I have yet to try it.
As a personal note, I do want to try to make some skin maceration wine with the grapes traditionally used as such in veneto (bianchetta and dorona) but it's not a simple investment.

>got a shafer hillside for the price of the red blend because of mistagging

who here /devilish/

A toast to, /ck/

>>15207507
Check out south Africa. Craig Hawkings, Monkey gone to heaven 2017 was amazing. Also sparkling from SA is good.

>>15224449
I miss him

>>15224449
I wish he would come back and fix everything.
moot mk2 sucks

>>15205498
Terroir is the biggest bullshit. Any wine over 50 bucks and you're paying premium for the name.

>>15205498
I still don't know how to pick out wine, beer has always been easier because you pick out good trappist ale if a store has it but wine is hit and miss and there are too many vineyards/brands of wine to pick out, i just pick something out of the $10-15/bottle range, i avoid australian wine because that cheap yellow tail shit is terrrible.

>>15224626
>Terroir is the biggest bullshit
Kek try a syrah from northern rhone next to an australian shiraz(syrah) and tell me terroir is bullshit. Idk how the market is in the states but in Europe you can find good wines under 15€, rarely past 25€ for the really good shit.

>>15224626
>dude this pommard clone grown in burgundy and this pommard clone grown in california taste the exact same

terroir is climate and soil, saying it's bullshit is silly

>>15224638
Can I interest you in a wine brewed by monks at the historic Buckfast Abbey?

>>15224422
damn thats a real steal! that agrapart is a beauty too

>>15224568
great winemaker, the lords of dogtown is top shit. check out lukas van loggerenberg and thorne and daughters as well if you havent already

>>15224732
you're right but fun fact about the Pommard clone, its just a name made up by UC Davis and has no relation to the CdB village

>>15224626
wine is an agricultural product

>>15224742
I would buy some buckfast if I could find it in the states, probably tastes ok compared to cisco or md 20/20

>>15205634
This.
Fuck beer plebs.

>>15210261
Absolute great wine.

>>15205510
Chardonnaybros.. don't.. read that post..

What's a good, readily available wine brand in the 10-15 dollar range?
The liquor stores in my town suck ass and are filled mostly with Barefoot and Yellow Tail

>>15225365
good and readily available are at odds with each other more often than not

Intrinsic is pretty decent for the money, though it is fruit-forward and almost tanninless
Everyone likes to tongue duckhorn and bonanza's assholes, I'm not personally a fan but you could give them a try

>>15210350
adding sugar to fermenting grapes is illegal in California guy

>>15224834
chardonnay is great and you can make a great steak sauce using chard to deglaze

>>15225514
well the state is full of criminals.

Bump

Anyone here drink mad dog? What's the best flavor?

>>15225514
adding sugar to wine after it's done fermenting is very legal and occurs with tons and tons of cali chardonnays/cabernets

>>15226865
"If the winemaker wants more alcohol in the finished product, then unfermented, sweet grape must is added to a finished dry wine to increase the sweetness level. Using sugar is not an option because of current wine making regulations. Although a winemaker’s methods are a closely guarded secret, adding unfermented grape must to a finished wine appears to be common in sweeter California wines."

come again?

>>15205498
Sweet red by Liberty Creek because I’m a man.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/well/eat/how-much-sugar-is-in-a-glass-of-wine.html

fake shills in the wine threads all day wtf?

>>15227910
>unfermented grape must
concentrated sugar solution
do you think uncured meats are really uncured because they use celery salt too?

viognier and champagne are my favorites

>>15226817
orange jubilee is solid. none of the other flavors are worth a damn

>>15228035
I fucking love Champagne

>>15205498
recioto, bardolino chiaretto, primitivo and chianti mainly
from different regions come wines that are more acidic, full bodied and better suited to accompany a meal, such as southern Italy, or wines that are sweeter and less dry, such as most spanish wines
that applies to both whites and reds

>>15222975
I honestly don't think I've ever been disappointed by anything I've had out of Chile
I've never been one to spring for bottles above 30 bucks but you can find some really great stuff from south america for 8-20 bucks

>>15228253
nah, chile makes some pretty fucking mediocre wine, it's just mediocre in a less blatantly offensive way than say, mediocre aussie wine or mediocre argie wine or mediocre california wine

>>15228253
Chile fucking sucks. They have the market cornered on cheap industrial wine like Gato Negro and Saint Clemente that I wouldn't make my worst enemies drink. Even the stuff up into the $20 range is rarely good. Same thing with Argentina. I have been completely unable to understand why people go out and try to spread the opinion that South American wines are some amazing deal and level of quality.

Yes, I have had some good wine from both countries, but they stand as outliers in my mind because it is so far from the norm.

t. guy who works in a liqour store with a HUGE focus on wine, who tastes every wine that we bring into the store.

>>15228894
because on the one extreme you have poorfags who will insist anything cheap is amazing, and on the other you have contrarian hipsters who had some single vineyard $150 flagship wine and want to argue about it (but other countries make cheap shit too! not just chile/argentina!~~!!~!one)

but in all honesty if I'm spending $30 on a bottle I'm going to be choosy anyway and it's not THAT hard to find good chilean wine at $30. nor is it hard to find good wine from other countries at that price. it just happens to be somewhat easier if you're choosing from european wine regions because the labeling system is so much more regulated

>>15228894
there is amazing and ridiculously good value interesting wine from chile: old vine cinsaut, pais, moscatel and semillon from bio bio and itata valley; limari chardonnay and some much improved pinot noir from around the country.
i think its just the volume of shitty cabernet, merlot, sauv blanc, chard etc but i would only want an expensive one of them from south america anyway desu and then also carmenere is pretty as a signature grape for the country

>>15228894
Tasteless pleb. New world > old world.

>>15228894
Clos Apalta/ Le Petit Clos are both great and are on the level of similarly priced bordeaux, the latter especially since my local store sells it for 28 bucks.
Don Melchor is a bit overbranded, but the 2017 will be amazing with a few more years of age.
Purple Angel is and always will be fantastic, just wish it was still 40 bucks and not 80
Their target market for most of their mass-produced wine are the will-not-spend-more-than-15 crowd, but don't act like there aren't a bunch of great chilean wines just because their cheap wines suck.

>>15229924
17 was a great vintage for Chile.
Don't forget Caballo Loco and Almaviva.

>>15228003
i know what must is, dumb cunt
its not "concentrated sugar solution"

>>15229975
>>15229924
almost all $8 wines suck. I, like most wine drinkers, can't afford $150 wines and don't care about them. at all.

italy, france, germany, greece, portugal, slovenia, austria, spain, and even hungary all make excellent wines in the $25-40 range. and yet chile, much like most other new world wine countries, seems completely uninterested in this. at my largest nearby shop there's exactly one bottle in that range. I've had it, it's pretty good, but it's one of those overbearing "forgotten grape" hippie wines that tastes like carbonic maceration and feet, a little goes a long way. I thought they were the "value leader" or some shit. I can get that hippie shit from the france aisle, why not something for adults that isn't $150?

>>15230405
Montes Syrah is 20 bucks and get like 93 points every year, now stop whining

>>15230354
>In the New World, a grape must concentrate produced under the name Mega-Purple from colourful Teinturier grapes is used to improve the colour and taste of wines.
Caymus owns Belle Glos, and it is legal to chaptalize with beet sugar in oregon

>>15230456
oh yeah I had that once. I wouldn't say it was any better than the $20 shit from tensley but hey you're right. they make one not shitty, not wildly overpriced syrah that some boomer gave 93 reddit points

Best champagnes in the 35 to 60 dollar range?

I generally like cabs and malbecs
just broke my nice crystal that i've had for the past 3 years
which of these two glasses should I buy?

>>15230737
imagine paying more than 7 dollars for wine

>>15231204
7 dollar wines kinda suck

>>15230456
>93 points

>>15231196
Right, cabs typically want wider bowls

>>15230737
depends on where you live and whether or not you can buy wine online
For the money, I'd say Charles Heidsieck NV brut reserve, has always been a benchmark of quality/price for me

>>15205503
have you had any coteaux du layon or vouvray moelleux? similar wines but made with chenin blanc in the loire valley

>>15231375
>Right, cabs typically want wider bowls
that's what i thought, right is a typical bordeaux glass but right is marketed as a cab glass when it looks more suited to a shiraz or something

>>15231375
Louis Roederer Brit NV is the shit too.

>>15231407
*brut

>>15231388
He's wrong. The glasses you posted are ideal. Cabernet Sauvignon is aromatic enough that it doesn't need a large bowl. Aromatics might be overpowering if you do.

Larger bowls are for more delicate varietals like Pinot Noir, Chardonnay or Nebbiolo. I had some Margeaux (Cabernet-dominant Bordeaux wine) out of a Nebbiolo glass last night and it was almost too much.

>>15205498
not moscato

>>15231417
Wider, but not burgundy wide
I would classify both of those as bordeaux glasses and I really don't think the extra inch-or-so of the bowl would do anything other than help

>>15230456
>Caymus owns Belle Glos
the ignorant argument is about lax practices and regulations in California so bumfuck oregon has nothing to do with the discussion

>>15231436
I suppose it's hard to tell from pictures without anything to reference next to it.

What are some good Cotes du Rhones one could find with ease?

>>15231470
you mean aside from perrin and e guigal?

>>15231451
California wines only have to be 95% from california. Wines fermented in california can only be chaptalized with grape must/mega purple. There is nothing forbidding me as a californian from adding whatever the fuck I want to a secondary wine for blending in another state, then importing it and blending it with whatever I want.

>>15231470
>>15231482
Guigal is definitely solid for the price, yeah.

>>15205498
How is pic related? After a nice bottle to celebrate something, this caught my eye but is hard to get in the UK. Is it £56/$75 nice?

>>15231523
That is a ludicrous amount of wax.

>>15231523
A fruit bomb that's been saturated with megapurple and tastes almost nothing like pinot noir
Please do not buy caymus products, if you're in the UK you have access to a shitton of great pinot noir, buy those instead

>>15231523

>>15212266
no its not, its like saying dark beer doesn't go with seafood (which it doesn't)

>>15231536
>>15231533
Thanks, I'll steer clear then.

it's another Franzia Cabernet night.

I have 380 bottles of wine at my current residence

Pick a number, I'll show you the wine

>>15231671
nah

>>15231523
Mate if you like the look of a wax dip and you're willing to pay £56 for Pinot, go for a bottle of Jean-Marie Fourrier Bourgogne rouge.

It's not going to be as rich and juicy as New World wine in general, but it's very fruit pure and approachable since Fourrier uses whole berry fermentation.

>>15231671
371

>>15231671
92 and 119

>>15231707
>>15231731
good picks

Chales Heidsieck Blanc De Millenaires 2004, only the sixth vintage to be made since the wine's introduction in 1986. There is a 2006 and a 2008 coming. 14, almost 15 years on the lees. They hold some in reserve every release, so you can actually find the 1995 in both the old bottle and the new one. Ironically I think the old bottle would be cheaper (~200) whereas the new one is closer to 250 because of almost 22 years on the lees. 1 of 3 bottles, may very well buy some more depending on how it performs on new years.

Lynmar Estate 2018 Hawk Hill, one of the 3 wine clubs I'm a part of. Easily the best pinot noir and chardonnay in california that's not prohibitively expensive (Peter Micheal). Extremely minerally and savory, lots of pink peppercorn and pomegranate, varying levels of salinity depending on the vineyard. This one is one of their highest elevations, so it tends to age best. 1 of 2 bottles

Peter Michael Belle Cote 2018, speak of the devil. I would be a wine club member here except 1) their wines average 300 dollars and 2) the waiting list is still about 3 years. But the Belle Cote is fucking supreme for 80-90 dollarydoos. Drinks like a Corton-Charlemagne, at least the previous few years have. Will probably age 20 years, but I doubt it'll make it past 2025. 1 of 3 bottles.

>>15232037
sorry am retarded

I don't understand winefags, all wines pretty much taste the same.

>>15232061
Ask yourself: does red and white wine taste the same? Does sparkling white and still white wine taste the same? Does a sweet dessert wine and a dry table wine taste the same?

If you can accept that these are different flavor profiles, you are well on your way to accepting that different grapes have different flavor profiles as well.

>>15232111
this is just a setup to get him to post that "wine experts fooled" thing isn't it

>>15232041
You ever heard of pey-marin wines? I had a bottle about a week, very tasty.

>>15231557
Actually stout and oysters is a classic combination.

>>15232121
No, at least not on purpose, it's how I explain enthusaist-tier drinking to non-enthusiasts.

I could also do the
>do coke and pepsi taste the same? They contain the exact same ingredients in different proportions
angle but people like to get pedantic about that too.

>>15232152
I haven't, looks like they have a few different lables. I do appreciate small wineries though, so I'll give em a try if I ever see them in the wild
Then again, it looks like they produce less than 200 cases of both of their wines

>>15232184
How does one become a wine person like yourself? Are you in the business or simply someone with good taste and lots of expendable income?

I love wine, the idea of capturing something truly special inside of a bottle really makes it unlike anything else.

>>15232224
I worked at a few different wineries while in grad school, and stuck with it. I'm not super wealthy, I just have very few expenses besides wine/spirits.

If you're looking to become a wine person, just drink wine and find more wine you like. Even dessert wines have a high-end ageable spectrum (in fact, some of the highest end and most ageable wines are dessert wines). Your palate naturally changes as you age and changes the more you drink. When you find a producer or a style or a vintage you really like, buy several, and keep some of them. Repeat until you have a collection you're comfortable with.

>>15205510
/thread

And it's overpriced considering the abv/v/$

>>15232447
I too only purchase everclear for maximum alcohol molecules per dollar

>>15207469
I like sardinian wines. cannondau Is a great red from Sardinia, get one from near Alghero.

>>15205498
Start simple: italian wines are delicious and easy to procure. Go with a Chianti Classico

>>15232037
What's the other two wine clubs? I'm thinking of joining one, don't know how worth it they can be though.

>>15232621
Ridge and Booker

I only join wine clubs if I get a significant discount (ridge does industry discounting, 30% off) or if it's the only way I can get their wines (booker and lynmar)

Ridge is probably the cheapest, ~300-400 a year, more if you enroll in multiple clubs

I wouldn't recommend joining a club blind unless you're lazy/don't want the trouble of trying wines until you find some you like. I can say unequivocally Ridge makes the best american zinfandels and one of the best luxury blends

>>15232158
hmm guess I'll have to try that out

>>15232041
I don't mean to be a dick but why did you timestamp these? lmao

>>15232620
Not exactly the most approachable wines to start off with, especially if you're not drinking them with food.

>>15232447
for AbV but not for QPR. Almost all white wines are underpriced compared to red because people always buy red wines for gifts. Retard

>>15205506
i suppose Israel might have the climate, but I've never heard of Israeli wine before this. i wonder how their soil is

>>15232956
I knew that they had wine because some prisoner drank a bottle of dry Israeli red wine called Karmel as his last meal

>This thread
The best wine thread I've ever seen on /ck/, easily. Goddamn.

>>15205574
If you happen to wander back, I recommend you try some other South American stuff. Chilean wines like Carmeneres are quite good, and Tempranillos have a nice pepperyness. If you like the dark plum of some of the Malbecs, try a Tannat from Uruguay. I think South America has the best bang for the buck in wines, though you miss out on some amazing grapes that just aren't grown there.

>>15223076
This isn't hasn't been mentioned, it's worth noting that a lot will change the ability of someone to taste certain flavors in a given wine, and most people drink their wine in a specific way that may or may not help this process. Temperature, oxidation, how it's actually sipped, the type of glass, etc.

>>15232967
oh wait it's spelled Carmel actually

>>15232903
just to distinguish which is which

This thread made me research some online wine retailers and NakedWines is having a promo where you basically get 6 bottles of wine shipped for 40 bucks, and they seem to not be just weirdo stuff.

I like red wine. I like white wine. I like wine.

>>15233357
they only sell "partner wines" which are basically bulk wines made for them only. I bought some solid white burgundy from them but wouldn't stay subscribed past the promo

they're not necessarily bad but just be warned that they're selling their membership subscription and the moment you buy the wines, you should cancel

>>15233376
Yeah, I meant it more as the whole "get your one and then cancel" deal.

Wine is the best. If you can find unblended wine for cheap, you've found a fuckn' gem. Sure, there's an experience attached to a nice bottle, but elitism in wine has always been for fags. The only wine I'd spend $60+ on is French champagne. Everything else is sub <$25 because I've had more shit expensive wine than I've had bad cheap wine. Probably because cheap wine isn't bad but it doesn't have brand recognition.

Is there a varietal that can get me close to a brunello without that price point?

>>15233462
brunello is literally just ripe sangiovese
Chianti Gran Selezione was designed to be chianti's brunello-lite, but they will run you ~30 bucks

There's rosso di montalcino for a more brunello table wine style, but it will be lighter

>>15233478
Thank you, sir

>>15205510
>White wine is for faggots and women only.
Imagine relating funny grape juice to sexual orientation. A chad drinks what he wants and gives no fucks, you closeted faggot.

>>15205498
This thread inspired me to really give wine a shot for the first time. My first bottles I bought was a montepulciano d'abruzzo (the stick wine) and Oyster Bay pinot noir. I perfer the stick wine, but to be honest I'm not sure why. I genuinely enjoyed drinking with a meal and would love to try more. Any suggestions preferably under $25?

>>15232969

>If you happen to wander back

I did! This thread didn't seem like ti would last but here we are! I've taken note of what you've told me and I'm saving it for a rainy day. Thank you very much!

>>15213147

Tastes are subjective I suppose.

>>15205506
no, give me goyim wine

>>15234045
fine grained tannin - while maybe dubious chemistry - is a perfectly fine descriptor

but yes, a lot of wine writing is made by people like (You) they dont know shit but the keep posting anyway

>>15231486
chaptalization by definition is adding some form of sugar before or during fermentation to increase alcohol content. so your comment is void as fuck. and im not gonna bitch about 5% - you cannot label as a California wine nor an AVA nor a SUBAVA unless you meet the percentages criteria. its strict enough and gives whatever oddball producer cunt a bit of wiggle. so you can do whatever you want - but th earguement was that there is no regulation in California. and there is: no chaptalization and 95% min for labelling protection. good luck with your 5% shipping costs and flavor voodoo.

>>15234045
Every time this bullshit comes up.

>experts
>oenology students
Is someone that does an undergraduate degree in English literature suddenly an expert in it?

Huge cope desu.

>>15205622
'traminer, Viognier, Chardonnay-Viognier blend
>>15207237
heavily depends on the region
wines from the north are less alcoholic and lighter, like Bardolino or Lambrusco, though exceptions like Barbera exist
wines from the south on the other hand, which seem to be a lot more common overseas at least when talking reds, are generally full bodied and more alcoholic because of the moister and hotter climate, like Primitivo, or Nero di Troia
>>15215575
somewhat, yes

>>15207272
Based.

>>15231417
>not having glasses like this
>I had some Margeaux (Cabernet-dominant Bordeaux wine) out of a Nebbiolo glass last night and it was almost too much.
Pussy.

>>15234616
t. COVID sufferer

>>15222787
>>15223207
>We also stock the wine you posted but I haven't tried it.
Also, where you at and how much do you sell it for?

HOw do you avoid the red lips?!

>>15233890
If you're just getting into wine I'd say it's a good idea to try some of the classic varietals/regions- if nothing else, knowing which you like will help you figure out what else to try, as more obscure regions/varietals are often explained by comparing them to better known ones, and you can get better recommendations at wine shops etc if you can give them something to go on, even if it's just 'I know I like syrah and cab franc, what should i try?' or 'I tend to like lighter reds' or something.

>>15234045
>We actively deceived our guests and put them in a public situation where it would be social suicide to call us out like the scam artists we are. all according to keikaku
congrats?
>music influences experience
isn't that why people enjoy music?
>"proof" that red wine doesn't go with fish
Doesn't this back up the wine experts they're "debunking"?
>wine critic's pallet is so good it matches the weather experienced by the grapes
Isn't this really high praise? This sounds like the final boss of a SOL wine manga
>machine learning used to create fake reviews for fake wines
this means... ???


Is this a satirical piece?

>>15234632
waterfall

>>15233589
This. Imagine not appreciating a good aged riesling, white hermitage or white burgundy because you think it's not 'manly'.

>>15224742
I live in California and i want a bottle of Buckfast soooo goddamn bad.

>>15231523
>>15231533
Seconded. Im a salesperson responsible for Caymus products in California. I can confirm that not only are they shite to deal with but their wines have become mediocre in the last 10 years. Go buy silver oak or BV Tapestry

>>15232903
shut up dick.

>>15232903
>I don't mean to be a dick
and ya did it anyway

>>15236216
For some reason a lot of people out there are on a personal mission to prove nice things, especially expensive wines are a scam. Never understood why.

>>15238167
...because it's a scam? Seriously every study agrees that people can't actually tell the difference.

I love Napa cab. Is that okay? I mainly drink Italian wine by a large. Followed by French wine, followed by US wine. Really it is Italian 70% of the time. However, sometimes I just crave a Napa cab. Does that make me have shit taste or make me lame? I know it is cool to hate California in general so I am a bit worried....

>>15238167
I don't get it either. Honestly I just ignore them whenever possible.

Just picked up a few bottles for the holidays. A couple of real cool things- a bottle of Egly-Ouriet Brut Millesime, Alain Voge Cornas 'Les Vieilles Fontaines', a Samuel Tinon dry tokaji, an FX Pichler smaragd riesling, Elio Grasso Barolo Runcot, and a 1950's boal madeira. Super excited for the madeira honestly, well-aged madeira is a fucking magical thing.

>>15238312
Honestly, who cares? Drink what you like. Besides, as much as they do pump out mega-purpled overripe nonsense there definitely are still world class Cabs made in California.

>>15205506
Manachevitz?