/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>15219202
No

We used to do this, but had to stop when half the family started getting wicked tapeworms and parasites

>>15219202
Lived a decade in and around Green Bay and never heard of this shit.

>and no, it doesn't matter where you buy your beef
Why is the government allowed to lie like this?

>>15219202
man some thin sliced tenderloin with a little salt, pepper, and garlic, is godly

>>15219279
Isn't that pretty much just steak tartare at that point

>>15219334
I thought tartar was mad with ground meat?

>>15219334
Have sex

>>15219339
I thought that was mët

>>15219340
Never

>>15219334
You mean carpaccio?

>>15219202
Always have a raw turkey for Christmas, with raw sausages wrapped in raw bacon. The kids all fight over the raw turkey skin, they love that shit.

>>15219397
Raw turkey sounds vile

>>15219334
Tartare is chopped meat, he's talking about carpaccio

>>15219202
>Cannibal sandwiches
fucking Wisconsinites, man.

>>15219649
Wisconsin and Minnesota are proof that scandinavians shouldn't be allowed outwide their frozen containment zone.

Its pretty common in Wisconsin,e specially for an appetizer at family christmas parties. Its not very common besides at christmas

>>15220496
but Wisconsin and Minnesota are very prosperous educated places, they are the real America in many senses

>>15220496
We did also bring you mst3k.
I think a few cannibal murderers can be excused for that

>>15219202
I did once to make a point.

Roomate complaind about my medium rare steaks being raw so I ate steak tartar to gross him out, but it's not something I want.

>>15219257
Where do you live, India?

>>15219273
To be fair it's an oversimplification of the truth. Especially for ground beef which is the type of raw sandwich they're talking about. If you want to eat ground or finely chopped beef raw, you need to go get yourself a meat grinder and grind it yourself, then eat shortly after. It doesn't matter whether you're buying from Stop and Shop, Whole Foods, or your local farmer's market. If it's preground you can't really reduce risk substantially. I wouldn't really trust getting the meat ground at a butcher same day either. It'll considerably reduce the risk since all the meat is from one, whole animal, but unless they clean the grinder before they grind yours that's still a higher risk than you'd be exposed to grinding your own.

>>15219202
one time i ate raw meat and got the shits the next day. didn't fuck me up totally but it didn't taste good either. let people eat it if they want. not like its hurting anyone else, is it?

>>15221289
So from a butcher is safer, so it does matter where you buy from. So they lied. Got it.

>>15221289
this guy knows what’s up
just get a grinder attachment for your mixer, or hand grind; you should do this anyway as it is far safer when you control the grind, and cheaper when you buy whole cuts

>>15221514
He literally said that even from a butcher it's not safe.

>>15221514
now THIS is reading between the lines

>>15221514
Not really, no.
>I wouldn't really trust getting the meat ground at a butcher same day either.
It's safer than the other options, but they grind a bunch of animals on there all day, and are not washing it. They're probably not wiping it down even if someone gets ground chicken or whatever. All it takes is one single piece of meat to be contaminated with parasites or a pathogen and you will be at much higher risk. And your butcher is getting factory farmed meat to begin with. Buy a whole cut of meat directly from a farm whose quality you can be assured of or learn to raise and butcher meat yourself. Buy a grinder attachment for a stand mixer. Then grind the meat the same hour you intend to use it, and make damn sure that the meat grinder is clean before you do. You want safe raw meat? That's how you lower your risk. I guarantee you precious few of the people buying from 'quality' places are doing that.

>>15221573
>It's safer than the other options, but they grind a bunch of animals on there all day, and are not washing it. They're probably not wiping it down even if someone gets ground chicken or whatever.

you sound like an actual fucking retard
1. you can't mix grinders of different meats retard
2. the food safety issues that are present in ground meat in factory farming come from shit like LITERAL FECES BEING WASHED INTO THE MEAT DURING PRODUCTION, not things that happen at a butcher shop

please have an idea what you're talking about

>>15221583
did you read what he posted?

>>15221583
Can't doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You've never seen people fuck up on food safety protocols or workplace rules? They'll get talked to if they're seen doing it, sure. But people fuck up. Especially if you're talking a generic grocery store butcher doing this to get through college and not a specialty one who considers it their craft.

I am aware of what sorts of food safety issues you get from factory farming. Taking meat that may possibly have been contaminated due to unhygienic conditions and serving it raw is not safe. The issue in that case is not that the butcher is at fault, but that he sourced his meat from a location unfit for raw consumption. Let's say one cow is contaminated and then you ask your butcher to grind meat from another cow which isn't on the same equipment, unwashed. Yours is now contaminated too. Whether that's from feces, parasites, or pathogens.

Consider where most people are going to source their ground beef from and why this warning is made. It's an over-generalization, but it's a necessary one. The idea most people have about quality and how to find it is simply not sufficient for this. You want safe raw beef or raw pork? Go get it from a farm, and grind it yourself, or get it from a reputable restaurant that you can trust has taken these precautions. I have no problem eating raw meat and have done so. But I'm not so stupid as to gamble my safety on grocery store meat.

>>15219202
Raw ground beef sandwiches are great, especially at New Years Eve parties. Definitely not an everyday thing though.

Sconnie here.
Yeah, an uncle did order a raw burger at a restaurant. Waitress asked if he said rare, he said no, raw.
True story.

https://www.wpr.org/cannibal-sandwiches-polarizing-and-misunderstood-wisconsin-tradition

>>15219202
The people in this thread defending eating raw meat are the same people who make fun of Indians and other third worlders for their weird food. Raw meat is tasteless at best, there's a reason fire was discovered

>>15221897
What if I defend people eating raw meat AND weird third worlders?

>>15221902
U aight white boy

>>15221897
t. has never had good tartare or carpaccio and probably avoids sushi as well
Raw meat isn't tasteless at all, it's flavorful and unique. Certainly not something to eat every day but it's excellent prepared well. And pic related is a traditional German food made with raw pork that I'd absolutely love to try if given the chance.

>>15221915
I do eat sushi but you'd never hear anyone saying that raw fish is tastier than cooked fish

>>15219202
It MOST DEFINITELY matters where you get your beef from.

>>15221923
I have heard people say that exact sentence many times. One went as far as saying he didn't see the point of eating cooked fish. They're different experiences, and it'll be down entirely to individual preferences.

>>15219273
Big Beef has such a stranglehold on the industry that there is a mandatory minimum fecal content to help bulk up meat output. So unless you illegally raise and slaughter your own cattle, your fucked.

>>15219202
I lived in wisconsin for 30 years and saw countless people eating raw meat over New Years specifically. Never once was it called Tiger Meat or Cannibal Sandwiches LOLOL what kind of horseshit is this

>>15221983
[citation needed]

>>15221993
Just ignore the retards, man.

>>15221983
>tfw the local butcher gets arrested because he was selling 2% shit beef instead of 3% shit beef

>160° F
fuck off, that's well done
in my life I've eaten a lot of medium rare burgers and steak tartare and I've never had any health problem. of course 100% safety doesn't exist un real life, but I'd say that raw ground beef is reasonably safe to eat as long as it's from a reputable seller and consumed shortly after being minced

>>15221897
I bet you laud the Japs for sushi

>>15219202
>ground beef should be cooked to 160 degrees
Lord Jesus...
Thank God we don't get all the government we pay for because if these safety psychos had their way all meat would be grey tasteless rubber.

>>15219259
I'm in rural wisconsin and I hadn't heard about it until a few years back having Christmas with a friends family. Ive had them on 2 occasions now. Regular ground beef from a supermarket. I only ate it to not be rude, it struck me as so strange. Truly it didn't have much flavor at all, the fat is flavorless without being cooked. 5/10 not good but still impressed since most people out here are usually quite uninventive with what they eat.

>>15221985
715 here, cannibal sandwich is a real term

>>15221255
>implying Indians would eat beef

I'm gonna be eating these and no one can stop me

>humanity rises and becomes the most intelligent creatures and rulers of the planet by learning to cook meat
>at the height of civilization they decide to consume raw meat and chop their dicks off

>>15222189
>at the height of civilization
You went too far lad. The height of civilization has long passed

>>15221514
Based and rarepilled

>>15222217
Ok chud

>>15219202
This is why you cant eat raw meat in america

>>15221923
Raw fish is better than cooked fish you mong.

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>>15219202
>getting sick from eating raw meat
>eat steak tartare at least once a month
>besides being delicious only thing it hurts is my wallet

How the fuck is american meat unsafe to eat when anti-biotics are literally a part of feeding regime for your cattle ?

>>15222472
holy kek i love this board

>>15222472
>>15223456
American meat is verifiably safer than meat in EU.

>>15221983
>illegally raise and slaughter your own cattle
huh, people unironically think this is a crime

>>15223456

American meat isn't unsafe to eat, it's raw meat that's unsafe to eat. This applies anywhere. Many E. coli species that are pathogenic to us do not cause disease in cattle. They can exist as part of a cow's normal microflora, and you wouldn't know unless you specifically tested for that strain of E. coli.

Yes, it's fecal contamination of surfaces of meat that's required, and yes that's gross. But keep in mind that a cow's entire hide can be contaminated with fecal flora (anything in the GI tract can be found on the skin of an animal, and cattle are particularly shitty animals). Dehiding is thus a significant source of contamination with fecal flora, including pathogenic E. coli strains.

>>15221289

>>15219273
Because it's the government. If there was something that prevented them from lying then that thing would be the government. Sovereignty is boolean.

>>15222051
that image is sad but also hillarious, top kek

Meanwhile I eat raw pork 2 times a month minimum and never had any problems. Just need a trustworthy butcher

>>15226034
>Just need a trustworthy butcher
its mostly just random, good or bad butcher the chance is very low but not zero

>>15219202
I live a good cannibal sandwich I don’t care what the government says “Wear a mask, blah blah blah, don’t eat raw meat, blah blah blah, don’t drive drunk, blah blah blah.” It never ends. We’re just supposed to obey big brother I guess

Never had raw meat. But why eat it in the first place? Isnt it just chewier and less flavorful than cooked meat?

>>15226341
idk sashimi is pretty tasty

>>15226341
>Isnt it just chewier
This is ground beef, so not chewy

>>15221583
I work at a meat processing plant, we don't wash shit into our meat but someone obviously washed shit into your brain when you were born.

>>15226341
no

>>15226341
It has a stronger tlavor

>>15225618
I miss this nigga like you wouldn't believe

>>15221289
Bingo. Give the whole cut a little rinse before hand if you want to be absolutely sure. I've made this shit and hackepeter for years and served it to literally hundreds of people at parties and have never had a complaint of food poisoning.

>>15226034

You do realize tapes can be asymptomatic, right?

>>15219384
capaccio uses a lot of salt, its basically cured meat

Is raw carnivore impossible without dairy? Seems like it for me. And seems most carnivores go for dairy too because its such easy liquid calories. Its so hard for me to eat 200-300g raw meat in the morning, half a kilo or more seems unfathomable.

>>15221983
theres nothing illegal about buying a cow and eating it, is there?

>>15225229
wouldn't that figure be influenced by the fact that americans are probably less likely to report illness due to not being able to afford the treatment?

>>15229541
I was being facetious. There probably is some licensing and certification involved with cattle ownership and slaughter if you're planning on selling the meat, but personal ownership and usage probably only has zoning regulations. I remember something about my grandmother's neighborhood having restrictions on chicken and coop ownership, so cattle probably does as well.

>>15229566
Do you get your information from 4chan exclusively?

>>15229566
The Global Food Secuirty Index, an independent food security ranking system developed by The Economist, uses an analytical approach independent of individual disease reporting and they rank the United States as number 4 when it comes to food health and safety compared to all other nations worldwide.

https://foodsecurityindex.eiu.com/Index