/ck/ - Food & Cooking

It’s chinese so its bad.

based but cringepilled

>>15189824
Free glutamic acid is a neurotoxin. Dietary intake is linked with ADD, autism, dementia, etc. And don't start talking about natural glutamate in foods -- that's bound, not free.

It is basically cheating.

>>15189857
This.
Also if you don't know how to create an Umami flavor profile without MSG-Powder you should get out of my kitchen.

>>15189830
Go back to poll you tistic fuck

>>15189857
shut up fag msg is UMAMI.

>>15189857
Any source to back up your claim? How is it any worse than table salt? Moderation is key. You only add a pinch of the stuff to a whole meal.

>>15189868
>>15189869
>>15189870
Okay Chang

>>15189857
Unvaccinated hands typed this post.

>>15189883
>Provides no evidence
I'm a white cis male questioning you, faggot

>>15189870
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excitotoxicity

>>15189885
Wrong. Everything I'm saying is in line with the latest science of the glutamatergic system.

>>15189900
>eats red meat everyday
MSG
IS BAD CHANG
shut the fuck up you white scum and go back to your fucking rabbit food and rotten milk

>>15189892
Article talks nothing about ingesting msg. Only injecting massive amounts into the body, far more than consumed in a single day. You should read a book on logic sometime. If you can manage that, maybe you will be able to understand more than facebook news

>>15189908
Ironic post.

>>15189890
Not that guy, Chang, and there's no way in hell you're straight. Here, have one of the many easy to find sources to go with your seethe.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5791143/

>>15189909
Nothing ironic here. Only sound reasoning, which anyone who believes MSG is bad for your health in normal amounts lacks.

>>15189890
>>15189885
Okay Chang
>>15189906
Goodbye Chang

>>15189915
did you make this, William McTastelet?

>>15189857
There is no evidence to support this statement
Consider yourself debunked

>>15189910
I won't lie and say I can actually understand all that paper is saying, I am no biology major here. I can safely assume you can't understand either. From what I could see, I am not seeing any strong evidence, only some suggestions that need more research.

>>15189911
You're either an industry shill or a useful idiot. Either way, your posts demonstrate that you are incapable of logical reasoning.

>>15189824
It's trash. Wether or not it causes your brain to sludge, owning MSG will make you look like a faggot that can't cook for shit. Also it'll turn your brain to sludge.

>>15189920
Jokes on you, I'm a biology major. Don't eat MSG.

>>15189919
Why are glutamate blockers so effective against mental illnesses like depression if glutamate plays no role?

>>15189921
I haven't seen much reasoning or logic from your end, buddy

>>15189925
No evidence, just baseless fear tactics. Your whole life is driven by fear and hate.

>>15189932
Can you explain in laymen's terms then why it's actually bad for you? Why is table salt fine in moderation but msg is suddenly so bad? Both are concentrated forms of salty or savory flavor, nothing more. Both naturally occur in foods.

>>15189949
Salt does not contain glutamate of any kind.

>>15189921
Bait

>>15189954
You missed my entire fucking point retard

>>15189830
it's actually japanese

>>15189961
You had no point. Free glutamic acid has nothing to do with salt.

>>15189866
the benefit of MSG is that you don't have to put in a bunch of umami ingredients in a dish to make it umami. I'm not going to put parmesan and porcini in my fried rice.

>>15189975
Upgrade your diet and your cooking.

>>15189949
Glutamic Acid doesn't give a shit about your brain blood barrier and is very happy to make new friends in your brain but never leave. That's why you get those droning headaches from ingesting two packs of cheap minute Ramen. And this isn't even mentioning how much the stuff loves the rest of your nervous system too, like the one in your intestines. Unhappy shits and irritable bowel syndrome should sound familiar to you use that lab grown shite on the regular.
No, it's nothing like table salt.

>>15189975
You obviously don't belong on this board. lrn2ingredients ffs, Umami is everywhere.

>>15189993
Yeah, the whole headache thing has been disproven so many times. You probably get a headache personally because you are an unhealthy fuck who isn't hydrated and all the salt fucks with you.
See, all you anti msg people do is spew outdated nonsense with no facts, then finally post the first study you can Google saying msg bad, and when you look at the conclusion it says more studies needed at most or talks about doing retarded shit like injecting huge amounts into your body at one time.
Fuck you stupid boomer tier retards

>>15189824
Like with pretty much all chemicals its bad for you if you eat too much of it or if you have a natural sensitivity to it. I don't use it too much though it tastes like a weird flavorless broth and i prefer soy sauce anyway

>>15190003
>outdated nonsense
Ironic.

ITT: Dumbass zoomers who have literally no idea how many common products have MSG put in them, that's not even considering the natural occurrences.
You've all likely eaten MSG within the last 24 hours.

Whether you cook with it or not billions of people eat it daily seemingly without the impact upon global health that those afraid of it fear. Can anybody explain what is wrong with it? Can anybody post relevant evidence? It is in almost all processed foods now.

>>15190003
Glutamate is an excitotoxin involved in neurodegenerative diseases of the central nervous system such as multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's disease, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), Parkinson's disease, alcoholism, and other diseases.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7854587/

>>15190028
Imagine being this retarded.

>>15190038
Eat enough of it and you will become withdrawn and autistic like the Japanese.

>Can anybody explain what is wrong with it?
https://patch.com/california/fostercity/excitotoxins-the-fdaapproved-way-to-damage-your-brain

>>15190039
you realize that says glutamate right? You don't eat steak, tomato or parmesan cheese do you?

How do you feel about the study that says eating red meat increases cancer risk?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30376922/

>>15190050
>You don't eat steak, tomato or parmesan cheese do you?
Stop conflating bound with free glutamic acid. They have completely different effects in the body.

>>15189824
it's carcinogenic, can make you infertile and gives you migraines. its also a crutch for retards and chinks that cant make food taste good without it

glutamic acid is delicious
i am drinking some right now.

>>15190053
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamate_flavoring#Concentration_in_foods

>>15189993
Bio major happens to be a hypochondriac, who'dve guessed.

>>15190053
You didn't answer my question about how you feel about the study that red meat causes cancer? Did you stop eating red meat? It's literally from the same source.

>>15190064
I'm not seeing the relevance. It is well-established that dietary red meat is correlated with increased cancer rates. So yes, I do limit my intake. Why do you keep trying to change the subject?

Msg is fine. There were fake studies done in the 90s in western countries that to this day scares people off it. None of it was true, MSG is absolutely good for you in moderate amounts

>>15190061
What point are you trying to make?

>>15190071
I'm trying to make you see your crusade against MSG is the same type of scaremongery that vegans or GMO-tards can make. You can link every single thing you eat with a health risk somewhere. Fish? Mercury. Spinach? Oxidation and potential kidney stones. Too much salt? Too much sugar? Everything carries risk, yet you act as if MSG is the only thing you can NEVER eat.

>>15190079
You've completely lost the plot. You must have acquired ADD from all the msg you've been eating.

>>15190087
And you've lost the argument by resorting to an ad-hominem. I'll add it to my win column on excel.

>>15190092
Try to focus. Thread is about the health effects of MSG

>b-but what about Islamic terrorism? And getting stood up on dates? And athlete's foot?
Yeah, those are bad too. Let's take a deep breath and address one topic at a time, anon.

>>15190104
This thread isn't about the health effects of MSG. It's about MSG. It's literally the only ingredient/food item that gets the same deranged facebook mom wannabes that cry about the same thin in a board full of instant noodles, fast food, booze, etc.

You can just buy packets of magic Sarap in any Filipino grocery store it's single serve packets of msg

>>15190138
Take your meds. Preferably glutamate blockers.

>>15189824
it makes food taste better.
since the food industriy fucked up the taste buds of whole generations i'd say its manatory nowadays to use at least some kind of glutamate in your cooking, or else your taste buds would simply be underwhelmed by a dishes "natural" taste

>>15189824
I use it sparingly to say the least. If I'm making a chinese take-out themed dish like Orange Chicken or Beef and Broccoli, I'll use a small pinch combined with my kosher salt to enhance the flavor. I've also used it on meats that are older than I like to use (1-2 days past supermarket due date). For this purpose it worked well

>>15190180
Indian cuisine manages to be quite flavorful despite never using msg.

>>15189824
I love it in food but I don't know how to use it
All these recipes never include MSG so I never learned how much or when to put it in

>>15190201
Because they use 500 tonnes of spices per dish

>>15190224
just dump some in you can never have too much msg

>>15190241
Like a comparable amount to salt? Or way more?

>>15190149
you are retarded as fuck lmao

>>15190039
The more studies I read the more misinterpreted citations I find? In what you post (abstract, article not available to me)

Evidence is reviewed pertaining to excitatory neurotoxins (excitotoxins) encountered in human food supply. - sure lets look at some evidence

The most frequently encountered food excitotoxin is glutamate (Glu) which is commercially added to many foods despite evidence that it can freely penetrate certain brain regions and rapidly destroy neurons by hyperactivating the NMDA subtype of Glu receptor. - yes, most frequently added food excitotoxin. Despite evidence that it can freely penetrate brain regions, yes but under what circumstances and is this linked to typical food usage scenarios? Doesn't say. Rapidly destroy neurons yes, typically when injected directly, but of course the abstract doesn't contain the details.

Hypersensitivity of NMDA receptors during development makes the immature nervous system especially sensitive to Glu excitotoxicity. - Yes. What is the point?


On the other hand, elderly consumers are particularly sensitive to domoic acid, a powerful excitotoxic Glu analog that activates both NMDA and non-NMDA receptors. A high content of domoic acid in shell fish caused a recent food poisoning incident that killed some elderly victims and caused brain damage and memory impairment in others. Neurolathyrism is a crippling neurodegenerative condition associated with ingestion of a legume that naturally contains BOAA, an excitotoxic Glu analog that hyperactivates non-NMDA receptors. Thus, the human food supply is a source of excitotoxins that can damage the brain by one type of mechanism to which immature consumers are hypervulnerable, or by other mechanisms to which adult and elderly consumers are peculiarly sensitive. - Yes. Nothing to do at all with MSG.

As an example of the sort of out of context bullshit that is rampant around the topic ..

Feel free to read the slightly alarming ...

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10942912.2017.1295260

Within which is such gems as ...

Monosodium has been proved to be toxic for both humans and experimental animals.[18] Side-effects reported by various studies can be summarized as appearance of anomalies of metabolic/digestive, respiratory, circulatory, and nervous systems.[19] It was found that exposure of rats to MSG at neonatal stage can severely damage their hypothalamic nuclei (arcuate nucleus and ventromedial nucleus), which results in increased body weight, fat deposition, decreased motor activity, and secretion of growth hormone.[20]

Except if you read these citations you get to ..

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/expanim/49/4/49_4_239/_article/-char/ja/

In which they deliberately destroyed the brains of rat fetuses with MSG injections in order to test an appetite suppressant drug on the adult rats.

Except this is now taken as ... MSG has been shown to destroy young rat brains leading to obesity and lack of impulse control in adult life. Of course, this was the chosen methodology of a drug study.

Studies need to be understood and put into context. It is like a little science can be dangerous to those who can't comprehend what is being discussed. Often 'reviews' on MSG is simple scaremongering collecting lots of out of context snippets of information and trying to build a scary sounding abstract.

>>15189919
the same was said several decades about smoking. just because there is not enough evidence that it's unsafe, doesn't mean it's safe

Again if you check more 'reviews' of the scary evidence around this deadly substance ...

Human diabetic condition had been studied intensively through various experimental models since decades. Diabetes was artificially induced by using different chemicals. In the light of reported literature, MSG appears to be a suitable candidate for inducing obesity which leads to diabetes. In a recent study conducted by Nagata et al.,[21] it was found that newborn male and female mice injected with (2 mg/g) doses of MSG developed glycosuria and other symptoms by 29 weeks of age.

The MSG-treated mice showed increased blood glucose, insulin, triglycerides, and cholesterol levels as compared with control animals. The pancreatic islets of both male and female mice showed hypertrophy which was considered as progression of diabetes mellitus. MSG-induced diabetic condition in mice was strikingly similar to human type 2 diabetes mellitus. Therefore, these mice were not only considered as ideal models for studying diabetes but also to verify the potential side-effects of MSG treatment in animal trials.

Another experimental study performed on rats confirmed that MSG was a potent chemical for diabetes induction.[22] Moreover, it was found that potency of MSG as an obesity inducing agent is higher in hypertensive (SHR) rats as compared with normotensive (WKY) Wistar Koyoto rats. Newborn rats were dosed with 4 mg/kg of MSG for 5 days which resulted in more advanced obesity and higher triglyceride levels in SHR rats as compared with WKY.[23]

Ok.. Cool. So MSG is going to make you diabetic now. Except picture related is from the study being cited. The study where they injected rats with MSG deliberately to induce diabetes for further study.

MSG causes diabetes? Dietary MSG? Oral consumption or injection when newborn? Again, further tenuous stretching.

How many people are eating MSG daily? How much free MSG is found in normal foods?

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>>15190485
bro seethe,cope and have sex, dilate desu kek

>>15190605
Firstly I'm not seething. Secondly I am coping and thirdly I have plenty of sex. What did you seek to add to this thread again? This idiocy presented as whit is very teenage. Too cool to care about anything. Imagine caring.

Anyway. My point still stands. The vast majority of the arguments against MSG are based around fundamentally misunderstanding pubmed 'smoking guns'. It looks like science so it must be true!

>>15189824
unhealthy poison like sugar, even worse

>>15189824

Why does almost all MSG imported into America come from companies owned by Nicholas Cage?

its a shitty crutch for garbage chefs made by chinkoids who seethe when you refuse to use it
so its cringe as fuck and you can develop a savory flavor without using the same crutch that slope eyed bugmen use to flavor their sewer oil

>>15190079
Exactly my point I was trying to make earlier. Well said

>>15190485
Well thought out, sane, and based. Msg fear monger Karen's wrecked

>>15189824
incredibly BASED and tasty
the secret of umammy!

>>15190772
Is that madman wearing a hat and also carrying a hat?

it makes cheap/shitty food taste better but its not a substitute for actual quality and flavour. if youre just eating a bag of chips or something though you want there to be msg.

>>15189857
this, same goes for vaccines

>>15189824
msg is based but only if you call it savory, if you call it umami it's cringe

>WAAAAAH WAAAAAH MSG FUCKS UP YOUR BRAIN
so does fluoride, who cares

>>15189921
Holy fucking cringe. This entire thread is difficult to read, but you're king of the chimps.

>>15190485
>typically when injected directly
Nobody is "injecting" msg, you fucking retard. Drop that strawman. People consume msg because it is added to their food to make it more "flavorful". Dietary free glutamate penetrates the brain resulting in a range of psychiatric disorders.

>>15192116
1 shekel has been deposited in your account.

>>15189824
Kojimbo is a hack and his fans are all retards

>>15189824
There are two common forms of glutamic acid, L-glutamic acid and D-glutamic acid. L-glutamic acid found in protein is referred to as 'bound' or 'protein bound' glutamic acid. In real, natural foods amino acids are rarely free. Rather, they are linked or bound in long chains to other amino acids in peptides or proteins. D-glutamic acid 'outside of protein' or 'free glutamic acid' is artificially and chemically produced outside of the body. This is what is known as monosodium glutamate or MSG.

In 1907 a Japanese chemist, Kikunae Ikeda, was experimenting with food flavors in a quest for what the Japanese consider the perfectly balanced combination of flavors, 'umami'. Professor Ikeda captured what he believed was umami by isolating glutamic acid from seaweed and other plants such as wheat, beets, corn, and molasses. In 1909 the Ajinomoto Corporation of Japan patented it as monosodium glutamate or MSG and sold it in the U.S. as Accent, a flavor enhancer. This chemical is not food like kombu sea vegetable, but rather a toxic concoction and excitotoxin.

When we eat food containing protein, our body breaks it down or hydrolyzes it in the stomach and lower intestines through the action of hydrochloric acid and digestive enzymes. In a healthy person, the body controls the amount of glutamic acid that it takes from protein. Excess glutamic acid is not stored by the body, preventing toxicity. It is passed off as waste. Utilized this way, glutamic acid from eating protein is harmless.

>>15192556
In the chemical MSG manufacturing plant, however, the bound glutamic acid in the above mentioned foods is broken down or made 'free of protein' by various processes (hydrolyzed, autolyzed, modified or fermented with strong chemicals, acids, bacteria, or enzymes, which are often genetically modified) and refined to a white crystal powder that resembles salt or sugar. Chemical MSG contains 78% glutamate, 12.2% sodium, and 9.6% water. This chemical form is known as D-glutamic acid. It usually contains some L-glutamic acid, pyroglutamic acid, and other contaminants. This factory made version causes serious reactions. From our research there is no D-glutamic acid, pyroglutamic acid or other contaminants in the protein found in plants and animals, only L-glutamic acid. When pure, manufactured, MSG is ingested a rapid effect occurs from the glutamate. This 'free of protein' glutamic acid, or glutamate unlike the naturally occurring 'protein bound' glutamate, is not attached to other amino acids. The normal digestive disassembly process does not happen because there are no 'peptide' bonds to slow the process. The sudden increase in free glutamic acid is then rapidly absorbed and can raise blood levels of glutamate eight to ten times causing toxicity.

Chemically produced MSG is found in a very wide variety of foods both in the supermarket and in natural food stores. It may not be, and commonly is not, declared on the label because it is a "processing aid" used in an ingredient. When MSG is used as a processing aid, it is not required by the FDA to be declared on the label. MSG is in hydrolyzed animal, vegetable, and milk protein. It is found in maltodextrin from processed corn and cornstarch. Bouillon cubes, autolyzed yeast extracts and chemically manufactured malt syrups contain small amounts of it. Whey protein, protein isolates, smoke flavorings, barbecue chips, and cheap and imitation soy sauces contain it.

>>15192230
You fucking mong. Why do you all need the simplest concepts spelling out? ib4 HURR DURR I'm debating!

The pubmed articles detailing the range of psychiatric disorders will usually say shit like ...

MSG has been found to be a potent excitotoxin (citation showing injecting it into brains excites neurons to death). It is commonly found in food (citation showing usage in food). MSG has been shown to cause a range of distressing issues in animal studies (citations showing liver damage when injected into the liver, citations showing retinal damage when injected into the eye, citations showing brain damage when injected into the brain). Behavioural problems have been found in people with brain damage (citations showing brain damage in people with psychiatric disorders) Therefore it is reasonable to assume that further study is required about any role it might play in psychiatric disorders. (no citations given).

The smoothbrain interpretation of this is always ... MSG causes brain damage, eye damage and liver damage and is linked to a wide variety of psychiatric disorders. The study itself doesn't won't even say that. Look it is on pubmed isn't a refutation of this.

Nobody is injecting MSG. Jesus. The majority of citations in the majority of 'evidence' against MSG consumption misrepresents animal studies involving injecting it, often for completely different purposes than establishing food safety, like because it is an excitotoxin and it'd be useful to know what damaging that part of the brain does?

>>15192860
Sound like you've ingested a lot of MSG yourself lol.

There are a number of straightforward bald-faced lies used by the glutamate industry in defending its contention that exposure to free glutamic acid found in processed food does not cause adverse reactions; could not possibly cause brain damage, learning disorders, or endocrine disturbances; and could not possibly be relevant to diverse diseases of the central nervous system such as addiction, stroke, epilepsy, schizophrenia, anxiety, depression, and degenerative disorders such as ALS, Parkinson's disease, and Alzheimer's disease.

Central to their argument is the lie that the processed free glutamic acid used in processed food is identical to the glutamic acid found in unprocessed, unadulterated food and in the human body.

The truth of the matter is that the glutamic acid found in unprocessed, unadulterated, and/or unfermented food and in the human body is composed of one form of a single amino acid, L-glutamic acid, and nothing more. In contrast, the glutamic acid that is freed from protein through a manufacturing process or through fermentation (i.e., processed free glutamic acid), is always accompanied by D-glutamic acid and by a variety of other by-products of L-glutamic acid production (impurities).

https://www.truthinlabeling.org/manufacvsnatural.html

>>15192567
There's no way msg production makes a specific chirality. It has to be a racemate.

>can raise blood levels of glutamate eight to ten times causing toxicity.
You got a citation on the toxicity on glutamate?

The sodium is the most dangerous part.

>>15192860
Yes glutamate is a neurotransmitter. Do these people really think eating a little msg means it's bypassing your liver, kidney, and blood brain barrier to affect your brain chemistry? How much msg do they think that would take?

>>15192872
>glutamate bad
>enantiomers are scary!

>>15192872
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/chir.530060410

Except that isn't true.

https://cen.acs.org/articles/95/web/2017/03/Measurements-heighten-mystery-D-amino.html

Slightly related/unrelated. I personally dig chirality and liked to think I knew my shit when injecting nootropic stacks/research chemicals and random racetams.

>>15192866
lol indeed fren!

>>15192281
Wow great source fag

>>15189857
It's not. SHow me a single study confirming this

>>15192924
>Do these people really think eating a little msg means it's bypassing your liver, kidney, and blood brain barrier to affect your brain chemistry?
It literally does. That's the point.

>>15190503
Nice strawman argument.

>>15192967
>it literally does
>has no evidence
ok retard

>>15192967
If that were true eating fish sauce and chicken broth should be inducing the same affects.

>>15192974
Except they are chemically different.

>>15192967
It literally doesn't, like that anon writing two pragraphs on it showed it, with evidence.

>>15193004
In what way are they chemically different? Tell me.

>>15193020
See here >>15192872

>>15193010
Total bullshit. The evidence shows that it easily crosses the BBB (which is a meme anyway).

>>15190079
based. Fuck all MSG haters. They are too retarded to understand simpel logic.

>>15193036
Wow great academic, legitimate source. You really showed me.

>>15193067
Read the references here: https://www.truthinlabeling.org/excite.html

>>15193046
>is given scientific evidence
>"total bullshit"
k

>>15193102
No "scientific evidence" was given, retard.

>>15193072
>Dr. Edward Group, "The supplements sold on the InfoWars store are primarily sourced from Dr. Edward F. Group III, a chiropractor who founded the Global Healing Center supplement vendor.
Okay, so you are trusting a chiropractor to give you advice on diet and biology. Cringe. Dude also sells supplements for info wars, jesus fucking christ you retard.

>"7 Parsons RB, Waring RH, Ramsden DB, Williams AC. In vitro effect of the cysteine metabolites homocysteic acid..."
In vitro, barely even evidence to take to heart.

>4 Humphries P, Pretorius E, Naud H. Direct and indirect cellular effects of aspartame on the brain.
Talking about aspartame? Not relevant.

>5 Andermann F, Carpenter S, Zatorre RJ, Cashman NR. Temporal lobe epilepsy caused by domoic acid intoxication: evidence for glutamate receptor-mediated excitotoxicity in humans. Ann Neurol. 1995 Jan;37(1):123-6.
"We describe the development of temporal lobe epilepsy in an 84-year-old man who had suffered domoic acid intoxication." What the fuck does this have to do with msg in the end?

Did you even look at the references? You MSG haters are such retards.

>>15193118
>is not even willing to read the evidence
lmao

>>15189824
If you go around saying "heh like this? It's got MSG in it" it's cringe. If you just use it like someone who isn't a sperg, it's based.

>>15193131
I'm the only poster here providing scientific evidence. The evidence demonstrates that dietary free glutamic acid is an excitotoxin.

>>15193157
Injecting a mouse with massive quantities of msg intravenously is not proving shit about ingesting far smaller quantities orally.

>>15193157
>im the only poster here providing scientific evidence
doubt
>The evidence demonstrates that dietary free glutamic acid is an excitotoxin.
still doesn't prove that eating MSG like a normal, sane person does anything to your body. not even in the slightest.

Desperate retards defending a garbage spice

>>15193554
>Desperate retards defending debunked science
Fixed for you

>>15189936
Good point, why don't you actually research the subject and see what you find, instead of coughing up a bunch of conjecture?

>>15193122
>>15193072
Fucking hell, a chiropractor (ergo, a fake doctor) doing business with the water filter and supplement salesman.

>>15190050
That article is 7 years old.
Anything more recent?

beyond based
i immediately lose respect for anyone who expresses disdain for MSG

>>15194055
It's already been established that excitotoxins cause psychiatric disorders. Try to keep up.

>>15194371
>Already has been established
>Has no real evidence
Jee golly, you sure got me

>>15194371
How about posting it?

>>15189868
>poll
holy newfag batman

>>15194201
Not in the references.

>>15194523
Read the research of Peter Spencer on the subject.

https://www.ohsu.edu/oregon-institute-occupational-health-sciences/peter-spencer-research-page

>>15190224
A very light sprinkle, but use it as a seasoning and taste to adjust. It adds a bit of sodium (less per mass of MSG than per mass of table salt), so also take that into consideration.

>>15190772
Source?

>>15192281
kek

>>15189824
MSG rocks

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>>15190512
Good work nibba

>>15194690
samefag

>>15194684
Agreed brother

>>15189857
based, also a crutch for cooklets

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>>15194940
Seething.

>>15194587
None of his papers even mention msg

>>15195277
False.

It's fine for quick stuff. Scrambled eggs, add msg and it'll taste great. Heating up some canned soup, msg, great.

I think it's a bit artificial and shallow tasting. It's like sugar in that regards. You can use shit tomatoes over say canned ripe san marzano and just use sugar to compensate for the lack of sweetness in the bad tomatoes but the sauce will lack the depth and taste off-sweet. The same thing, you can sub anchovies or fish sauce in the sauce for MSG and it'll taste off-umami.

>>15195297
How about you prove me wrong and quote something from the website that relates to msg?

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>>15189890
Nobody likes China, deal with it.

>>15192924
>There's no way msg production makes a specific chirality. It has to be a racemate.
False. It's >99% L-glutamate, which is purer than found in naturally fermented foods:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7915127/

>>15196334
Only insecure incels and trumpies are afraid of China. They are just another side to the same coin.

>>15189910
lmao brainlet. excitotoxicity is obviously a real process but you still haven't managed to link it to msg, and you won't.

>>15189993
>msg headaches
are you maybe allergic to electricity too? 5g srpeads covid right? and vaxxines have microchips and trump won the election, right?

>>15190250
add a bit and taste, adjust if needed? wtf are you doing with your life?

>>15190092
based

>>15190087
cringe

>>15196663
placebo effect is a real thing

>>15196460
That's actually really interesting, but now that I look into it there's more data showing that our bodies don't really have a difference in biological activity towards either form.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29737666/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27913829/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30402888/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26614118/

>>15189993
You do understand glutamate is a naturally foccuring neurotransmitter right? There's already glutamate in your brain the day you're born. Processing glutamate is one of the most basic functions of our body as part of the urea cycle and how our body breaks down protein. Issues with glutamate clearance or build up would leads to seizures within days. It wouldn't just give you a headache.

Oh and here's something, OUR GUT BACTERIA CAN CONVERT GLUTAMATE ON THE FLY YOU DUMB NIGGERS!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamate_racemase

>>15196648
Nah son eating msg is just like ketamine withdrawal. That's totally what happens when you eat Chinese takeout.

I eat it by the spoonful

>>15189824
it just makes things taste better without effort, I just made some green beans and you bet your ass I used a little a long with some salt to increase the flavor.

>>15197023
fucking based. Finally someone posting sane shit.

>>15189993
>That's why you get those droning headaches from ingesting two packs of cheap minute Ramen
You're a mutated weirdo

>>15196663
Unironically yes

>>15196596
Dislike =/= afraid.

>>15196839
It's also quite literally a problem with your mind.

>>15189993
>That's why you get those droning headaches from ingesting two packs of cheap minute Ramen
I don't, but I also don't tend to eat lots and lots of instant ramen. I would suggest that if you're getting a headache, that it's either a placebo, or it's because you just ingested a fuckload of salt and maybe aren't drinking enough fluids.

>>15192866
What a complete non-reply.

>>15197023
BUT BUT
ANON
WHAT IF YOU
WHAT IF YOU TOOK A SYRINGE AND INJECTED HUGE DOSES OF MSG
INTO YOUR LIVER
BRO
BRO LOOK AT THIS EVIDENCE

>>15197580
Nobody is "injecting" msg, you fucking retard. Drop that strawman. People consume msg because it is added to their food to make it more "flavorful". Dietary free glutamate penetrates the brain resulting in a range of psychiatric disorders.

>>15197593
>nobody is injecting MSG
EXACTLY, you fucking doublenigger, because that's all that they do in research, they inject rats with WILD quantities of MSG into various organs, which is in no way comparable to how MSG is used in food.

>>15197593
Show research that demonstrates a tenable link between eating MSG and psychiatric disorders, or fuck off.

>>15197593
The studies you claim to prove your point are doing just that. Faggot

>>15197593
Come on man. you were based. That >>15197580
anon was supporting you with an ironic joke.

>>15197631
If you had finished high school you would understand why they doing that way, brainlet.

>>15197636
See Russell Blaylock's "Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills".

>>15197662
Demonstrate how the ridiculously minute amounts which could MAYBE be applied via eating compares to the absolutely obscene amounts which are, again, directly injected inside of the brain or liver.

>>15197662
Is this post ironic? I hope so. If not, I'm concerned for your future. but then again, I don't care about a stupid ass faggot who doesn't even has reading comprehension.

>>15197697
Stop it. That anon is retarded, let him be. The MSG he consumed in processed food already fried his brain it seems. kek

For me its this shit lol

>>15197701
Learn how science works, kiddo.

>>15197707
This. MSG impairs brain function.

>>15197665
Quote it.

>>15190053
Except parmesan cheese, tomatoes, and steak all have significant amounts of free glutamic acid, retard.

>>15197805
No, they don't.

>>15197829


Yes, they do.

see
>>15190061

Learn to read.

>>15197758
You have a credible source that isn't just mice getting injected with absurd amounts of MSG?

>>15197837
Did you even read that chart, reddit-spacer?

>>15197849
Did you, newgfag?

>>15192281
Saved

>>15197854
Yes, and it contradicts your allegation.

>>15197753
Seems like oyu need to learn how logic works.

t. physics PhD student

>>15197856
>Parmesan cheese
>Free glutamate (mg/100g)
>1200

Holy shit you're retarded

>>15197863
Yes, a food that you literally sprinkle on food is only 1.2% free glutamate. Were you dropped on your head?

>>15197873
>a food that you literally sprinkle on food

have you ever been to an italian restaurant before? lmao

>>15197860
>implying physics is even useful

>>15197885
If you regularly eat kilograms of parmesan in one meal, you have a problem.

>>15197892
Wait how much msg do you think is put into processed food or used by people in home cooking?

>>15189824
It is a crutch. A good cook does not need MSG to make their food taste good.

>>15197903
Entrees at Chinese restaurants can contain up to 10 grams of MSG + other free glutamates.

>>15197918
Where did you get that information?

>>15189824
>all these seething piss skin shrimp dicks
Fuck off you slant eyed, dog eating fucks.

>>15197888
>implying implications

>>15189857
It's for even free glutamic acid, not that it matters anyways. Guess what happens to the natural stuff in your food when you eat it. You're probably just baiting.

>>15197932
source: just trust me bro

>>15197932
*silence, seethe, cope*

>>15197753
Bro you need to understand, that injecting msg 10000x the amount DIRECTLY into an organ is in no way comparable to what a sane, normal human being would use in their diet, orally.
Plus, most of those studies aren't even aimed towards researching the effect of msg for the purpose we use it in cooking. If I inject an insane amount of salt (or any other chemicals for that matter) directly into my brain, it would kill my neurons too.
For exampls look at Nutmeg or licorice. It can be eaten, at normal amounts, without any dangerous outcome. But the soon as you increase the amount to such an insane extend, it does damage to your body too. Licorice is even more dangerous than MSG could ever be.
Why are you so retarded?

>>15189824
it's good, source i'm a molecular biosciences phd

>>15198100
There are plenty of human studies, your drooling imbecile.

>>15198149
Source?

If there were (as many claim) comparable quality studies showing comparable harm from MSG consumption ... as in comparable to the attention grabbing studies often misrepresented by natural health charlatans which show harm where MSG is used to selectively damage organs or kill brain cells for other purposes then it'd be heavily regulated and/or banned somewhere in the world. Except it isn't. We'd be living through a public health disaster based upon prevalence in our diet. Except we aren't. These studies would quickly be on front pages, on facebook, discussed at length, but they are never revealed. The best that ever happens is people bring out the same misrepresented studies showing an inability or unwillingness to accept and understand the differences in the studies and why that actually matters to the topic. There might be some grumbling about big business, about how I must be shilling, about governments wishing to keep the population sick and docile, about how we just don't know the dangers yet, but nothing concrete to explain the position or entrenched point of view. I'm just supposed to believe that they TOTALLY know the TRUTH even in the face of clear misrepresentation or misunderstanding of science.

I mean, I'm only against you idiots because you are so clearly misunderstanding science and you've often got that infuriating finger snap "I prefer to trust INTUITION ... thanks ... your FACTS don't overrule my FEELINGS ... thanks" shit that triggers the fuck out of me because an inability to understand basic logic is what is turning this world into a literally living hell. MSG is dangerous because it will make you want to eat a bunch of otherwise low quality food. More people will struggle with impulse control and more people will be obese. Obesity causes health problems and as such you can sort of say that MSG causes obesity.

Ideally you don't eat foul fucking shit like dorritos too often, but this is a wider issue better addressed by a rational populace.

>>15198149
Except there aren't. Post them then.

>>15198288
The harm inflicted by MSG on the brain is not acutely detectable. It accumulates over time, leading to psychiatric disorders like autism, add, anxiety, and dementia. Hence the higher prevalence of these disorders in countries that consume more free glutamic acid. Excitotoxicity is a real thing, and ingested free glutamate passes the BBB easily.

>>15198434
And again, not a single evidence to back that claim up. I'm not even that anon, but I swear, people think they know shit because of "experience" or whatever makes them think that.
Fucking retard go kys.

>>15189975
Add fish sauce

>>15198473
This is all well documented. To summarize in two words: MSG kills.

>>15198480
Where? Where is it documented? Show me?

>>15198434
https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/43/2/476/2901736

Higher incidence in countries that consume more free glutamic acid you say? Ooookay.

>>15198480
Let me take a guess. Everything you go on is summarised in something like ...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5938543/

?

>>15198434
So, this is probably the 4th time now I have posted in this thread the same fucking thing, but source? You people are fucking retarded.

>>15198568
Do your own homework, sciencelet. There are sources listed all over this thread. No one is going to spoonfeed you.

>>15198603
They have all been debunked faggot.

>>15198616
Source?

>>15198618
I only need common sense to know that injecting animals with thousands of times more msg than normal isnt equivalent to ingesting small amounts in our diet. You should read a book some time.

>>15198623
Learn how science works, brainlet.

>>15198603
>There are sources listed all over this thread
Source you fail to interpret.

>>15198627
The burden of proof is on you anti-msg retards. if its such common knowledge as you make it sound you should be able to find a more credible source.

>>15198640
>The burden of proof is on you anti-msg retards.
Nope, the precautionary principle is what reason demands.

>>15198651
How can you reasonably be precautionary in the absence of evidence one way or the other?

>>15198651
No need to apply the precautionary principle to something that is present in various food sources already and has been consumed for all of time :)

>>15189824
It's useless if you know how to cook.

>>15198627
There is no way science "works"
There are methods and dialectic

>>15198659
The evidence demonstrates that excitoxins such as manufactured free glutamate causes a range of neurological disorders.

>>15198662
>present in various food sources already and has been consumed for all of time
Not in its manufacture free form. The natural glutamate in foods like tomatoes is bound in protein.

>>15198675
And what happens when you digest the food? Oh yeah, it becomes unbounded. God you are such a retard.

>>15198675
Now you're shifting the goalposts. You were just arguing on the presumption of absence of evidence.

>>15198683
Read a biology textbook, retard.

>>15198690
You're getting blown out

>>15198690
You should get off of facebook, maybe go take a logic class and come back to me after.

>>15198685
Nope, not even close.

>>15198694
Yep. Sorry you can't understand your own autism.

>>15198692
>>15198693
>t. sciencelets
Science relies on empirical evidence and logic, not baseless name-calling. Close the thread and get an education.

>>15198698
Read it and weep: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle

>>15198700
Science doesn't rely on anything, you are deferring to an inherently unempirical made up definition informed by opinion and not empiricism

>>15198707
>Science doesn't rely on anything
Imagine being this delusional.

>>15198702
Nothing to do with the argument. Your PhD in Wikipedia searches is noted, schizo.

>>15198708
Facts don't care about your feelings.

>>15198710
>Nothing to do with the argument.
It literally *is* the argument, dumbfuck. Actually read the thread before posting next time.

>>15198713
Your incessant whining doesn't change reality. Please grow an actual dick, tranny.

>>15198712
Facts are not sentient agents, hence are incapable of caring by definition. Try again, dimwit.

>>15198715
Thanks for demonstrating yet again that you are incapable of logical argumentation.

>>15198718
Precisely. So they don't care about your feelings. Nice job, dipshit.

>>15198700
You are a master at projection. Keep seething

>>15198725
That's a howler of a category error.

>>15198724
Why does an argument need to be logical? You are raised under bourgeoisie concepts of material reality.

>>15189824
Based. I add it in small amounts to my cooking. You have to keep it on the dl though because people will freak out about muh chinese restaurant syndrome.

>>15198729
I'd probably say the same too if I was short on grey matter.

>>15198730
>logic is not needed for argumentation
The level of cope here is off the charts.

>>15198742
I didn't say it wasn't, I asked why. Take your meds and close your legs.

>>15197731
This is really good. It's great in just about any gravy.

>>15198730
Kek. Go back to /lit/ with this Foucauldian balderdash. One can enjoy French cooking without succumbing to French philosophy.

>>15198746
>Why does an argument need to be logical?

>>15198740
Brain consumption is linked to various prion disorders like Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and kuru.

>>15198730
Mainly because of the limitations of language. The purpose of reaching out to others is to communicate and effective communication is a rational objective measure.

>>15198749
So far, i've added it to Scrambled eggs, quesadillas, creamed corn, pressure cooked beef stews, steaks, beans, and hamburgers, all to great effect. I bought the 4.5 lb bulk bag from amazon, shit is so cash

>>15198751
My learning isn't based in 4chan dialectic sorry I matured past the age of 18

>>15198758
It can read!

And type!

Does it do anyone else?!?!?

>>15198788
Sorry you hit the wall, anon.

>>15198768
Why is logic the only way of effectively communicating? You seem to be able to communicate your ideas perfectly fine despite a fundamentally illogical and contradictory worldview.

>>15198791
Your very much grounded in the theories of Western materialism which makes cringey witticisms like this make me pity you for the structures that fostered such self-absorption

>>15198804
>your
kys

>>15197731
>>15197758
Dunks on everyone

>>15198807
Hook

Line

Sinker

>>15198804
>>15198807
forgot to add, stop throwing big words you read on your toilet book about philosophy. Makes you sound faggy

>>15198804
My fostering structures were exquisite. Sucks to be you.

>>15198819
Oooh someone's insecure

>>15198830
You're the retard who can't even use proper grammar

>>15198821
I'm sure they were. It's why it was so effective in making you the predictable automaton you are.

>>15198834
No, only MSG can do that.

>>15198838
I don't know what that is, has Adam Ragusea made a video about it?

>>15189824
It's an artificial salt made in a lab. It tastes exactly like salt.

>>15198844
Have you tried it on its own before? I didn't taste salty to me.

>>15198842
No idea who that is. I rely on hard science.

>>15198863
There is no way you browse ck and dont know who adam is.

>>15198863
Adam Ragusea is hard and a scientist

>this entire thread

>>15198879
I feel more like the equivalent of an SJW defending the trans community, but in my case its defending MSG

>>15192281
How do i make it so that i only see sfur?