/ck/ - Food & Cooking

No.

yeah sure

>>15168856

yeah once it becomes affordable

already am
beyond meat is pretty good but i think anyone with a palate can taste the pea protein pretty clearly
i tried some of the beyond sausage recently and honestly didn't enjoy it so much
i hope more brands come along/wish beyond meat would commit more aggressively to sharing their patented methods so this could develop more

>>15168856
As long as it's actual meat, absolutely. I don't care if it comes from an animal or a lab.

>>15168862

As long as it's cheaper, is healthier or is just as healthy, tastes and cooks the same, of course I would.

>lab grown chicken
no
NOO

Lab grown meat is bathed in antibiotics because it doesn't have an immune system. It also won't match the nutrient profile of real meat.

I'd feed it to goys for a profit but there's no way I'd be dumb enough to eat it myself.

>>15168856
If it becomes indecernable from real meat? Why not?

>Israel

should i invest in this garbage like how i should have invested in beyond meat?

>>15168951
if you have to ask on /ck/ the answer is no
if you want actual advice from an investment professional who is retired at 24 drop contact info

I don’t trust this malarkey

>>15168856
No.

I want as few strangers involved in producing my food as possible. I raise, care for, slaughter, and butcher my own meat.

Like you don't understand. I want to even grow, harvest, thresh, and mill my own flour and try to make beet sugar. I don't drink coffee and I drink tisanes made from herbs I foraged/cultivated. Chocolate is something I am working on quitting, but for now I only indulge a few times a year.

I literally am that uncomfortable with strangers producing my food.

>>15168935
>probably eats chlorinated chicken
>probably eats beef grown on synthetic hormones
>probably consumes steroid and estrogen enhanced produced dairy
Are you going to explain why it will never be as nutritious?

>>15168935
Source?

>>15168988
what do you feed your animals
i hope you don't buy chicken feed cause then...

>>15168856
Why not?

>>15169014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWChH9MHkHg&ab_channel=JustinRhodes

>>15169028
based and informative
how many chickens do you have anon? do you do this same method? i'm curious at what a smaller setup would look like, or rather, how much you would need to be composting to reliably feed a few chickens, because it seems that video is from a farm(er) who specializes in composting specifically?

Why not. Imagine a steak with pork outside and beef inside.

>>15168856
no, I'll eat it once it becomes cheaper than real meat, or the only option

>>15169038
A smaller setup would mean less reliance on others for food scrap residuals.

I currently have ducks with a plan to get chickens and geese soon (with a plan to also get large livestock like cattle, hogs, and goats). I am a newbie homesteader so currently no I don't do this method (except to a small degree), but rome wasn't built in a day, and since my ducks are rotating pasture raised they don't actually eat much commercial feed, and many of the grains have been grown and supplied to me by people I actually know. The majority of their diet is bugs and greens. Pretty good for a very feed dependent animal!
The plan is to get geese (who eat 90% of their diet in grass) and then a handful of chickens to help spread manure.

I know muh perfectionist anon thinks I should either be gambling with my livestocks health or eating bugs but I find just working towards an end goal and finding joy in every step I take closer to it is more meaningful than submitting to our cooperate overlords who want me to live in a pod and inhale whatever swill they push at me.

>>15169043
Don't need to imagine it already exists.

>>15168856
Fuck no and I'm not getting a covid vaccine either.

>>15168856
>chicken burger
Do Americans really?

>>15168856
Maybe, but not Israeli scam artist bullshit.

>the burger is not just meat but heavily supplemented with other ingredients to add texture and flavour. Roughly 50% is plant-based proteins, with added seasonings.

Animal cells are such fickle things dependent on extremely calibrated environs I doubt true lab grown meat will ever become affordable. The structure problem seems solvable with scaffolds, but I doubt the cost issues are.

I think some kind of fake meat based on yeast cells grown on a gelatin scaffold has much better odds (microbial gelatin obviously).

>>15169028
That was an interesting watch. A bit unrelated but it makes me wonder how they make black garlic normally? Just about the only place I can imagine that you'd find a consistent 140F temperature for 40 days would be a compost pile, unless you wanted to waste a ton of energy that really probably wouldn't be worth it. So I wonder how it's done assuming you don't have a ton of compost in a heap to stuff it into.

>>15169079
I read about these bugs, black soldier larvae, you should look into that. It's very easy and cheap to breed and harvest them and they are some of the best converters of pretty much anything to protein rich biomass. You can just throw food scraps from anything into a tub with them, even manure actually, and they will convert it to like 50% protein. Then they actually crawl out of their tub when ready to move on from larvae stage, and will drop themselves into a bucket for the chickens to eat. Some of them don't crawl out and manage to survive though, which helps to repopulate automatically. It seems pretty amazing from what I saw, like he says in the video, chickens ain't gonna be able to live off of greens alone, they need protein more than anything, so to be able to turn even the poorest protein dense foods into protein with so much efficiency is great. Of course there's probably some catch with it that I don't know about since I haven't done it myself but it seems worth a try if you have chickens or any kind of fowl actually.

>>15168935
>Lab grown meat is bathed in antibiotics because it doesn't have an immune system.
Stainless steel and glass are pretty good ways to prevent disease from entering a bioreactor.

>>15169283
>Just about the only place I can imagine that you'd find a consistent 140F temperature for 40 days would be a compost pile
A really fucking well controlled one as well.

Composting human waste is a science, not an art ... very dangerous to get it wrong.

>>15169311
Yeah not homesteader anon here but I actually did a lot of research into composting/filtering human waste (on a whim, I don't do it) and as you say, while there are people who compost human waste, and that shit takes a LONG time and if the conditions are off for a single hour during the several month process you're practically dead consuming anything that comes from it
i would not fuck with it

>>15169283
>>15169330

Homestead anon here:
I have a friend who is interested in raising/selling black soldier fly larvae. I am interested in getting into that business while supplementing my flock with protein goodness. One thing I noticed about chickens in particular is that they are incredible when it comes to managing cattle and horse manure. I really ultimately want a system where cattle start off on tall grass, they prune it until its short, and then after I move the cattle I put chickens out to eat all the maggots in the cow shit and also spread the manure with their scratching behavior. This will save me money on pesticides and a manure spreader, and actually make me money instead.

I currently compost all my food scraps (any homesteader with half an iq does this) as well as utilizing things like lawn clippings, fallen leaves, etc. Humanure is something I am curious about (as well as collecting and filtering rain water), but my first goal with waste management is an old fashioned outhouse, when it's full maybe planting a high value wood or a slow maturing nut tree.

It's all pretty neat. I wish people would throw away this stupid lab grown vegan shit and just look into producing their own food. Big ag does not really have any interest other than profits.

>>15168856
I really like the idea, but I'm still wary of it. It's not as nutritious as real meat and they're trying to spin this as a positive thing, saying what it lacks is bad for you anyway. I don't believe that. If it eventually matches real meat in nutrition, then I'll happily switch to it.

No, this is just yet another attempt for big corpos to kill off small time farmers and profit.

>>15168992
>probably eats dick
Ok fag.

>>15169485
Genius rebuttal, really showing the limits of your intelligence

>>15169463
This. If it tastes the same and is almost equally as nutririous, I see zero reason to be technophobic.

>>15169273
>fake meat based on yeast cells
That's kind of what Quorn is.

>test restaurant in Israel

>>15168939
>>15169550

>>15169692
In this specific case it undeniably is, though.

>>15168856
Yeah. If it's affordable and tastes good.

>>15168856
Vegans
>Killing a chicken is immoral
Also vegan
>Killing babies is fine

>15169550
>test restaurant in Israel

...for American tourists.

>>15169748
You have to imagine there is at least ONE pro life vegan.
They are probably the most insufferable human being to be around

>>15168935
>bathed in antibiotics
So? Just cook it you fuckwit.

>>15169748
you're forgetting that fetuses aren't babies

Nah, I'll raise my own chickens.

>>15169731
Multiple countries are working on it though. Winston Churchill speculated on it in the 1930s.

>>15168856
I would try it. I have reservations but most of them have to do with mouthfeel and taste. If the muscle fiber is artificial, it probably doesn't have the kind of chew that comes from the muscles actually being used so it might be really mushy. Also if it's artificially grown it probably won't have fat threaded through properly so it'll be pretty dry and/or bland. But if those problems can be fixed, sure why not. For me the scale goes
Real meat > real veggies > artificial meat > starving > bugs

>>15169771
these are a lot of weird baseless assumptions for having never tried it
beyond meat is like $3/burger at most grocers, just give it a go?

i also feel like you should really do a number on educating yourself on how healthy bugs are, not to mention how many day-to-day foods you 100% consume that 100% contain bugs in it as an ingredient

>>15169785
Beyond Meat is not lab-grown meat. It's plant protein. Lab-grown meat is real meat produced in a different way.

>not to mention how many day-to-day foods you 100% consume that 100% contain bugs in it as an ingredient
Processed food should not be a day-to-day thing, and even then they're mostly used for food dye.

>>15168856
Kills calf fetus to make some shitty slop in a container

>>15169800
half of my protein intake is from bugs, the only 'processing' going on is drying and grinding them, bud
that white skin warping your brain

>>15169957
That's why I don't really understand who this product is for. You need seed material from either bovine fetal tissue or from umbilical cords to make it. In order to "grow" the meat supply chain still has to exist in some capacity. The whole thing seems tailor-made and designed to have a small supply chain for real meat reserved for the upper echelons of society while everyone else subsists on meat cloned from the umbilical cords of the animals slaughtered for the elites.

>>15169999
meat should cost more than what it does. it's held down by tax subsidies.

>>15170005
That doesn't address what I said in the slightest.

>>15169763
>A drunk on a famously short financial and (not at all speculative) Jewish leash predicted a Jewish activity
You don't say.

>>15169999
>>15170011
the meat industry is one of the leading contributors to climate emissions and should be eliminated or effectively reduced to the absolute minimum possible on that regard alone, not to mention the undeniable cruelty and lack of accountability that presently exists in the industry

>>15170024
Boy, your handlers really cheaped out on your flowchart for talking points didn't they?

>>15169999
>You need seed material from either bovine fetal tissue or from umbilical cords to make it. In order to "grow" the meat supply chain still has to exist in some capacity.
They've already found alternatives for that. It's only being used now because it's cheaper.

>>15168900
It's basically dog chow, why would it taste good to anybody outside of being the equivalent to bachelor chow?

>>15170069
From what I can tell they've found alternatives to using fetal serum by using umbilical cord tissue to harvest stem cells.

>>15169273
Mico-meat sounds neato.
I'd rather fungi based proteins any day over legumes and grain fillers.

>>15169692
Rarely is it ever NOT duh jooze.
For people that make laws to keep them safe from ridicule, you'd have to be blind to why that'd be necessary.

>>15170024
Bitches about >Le Green House Emissions as if water vapor isn't the top green house gas of them all. No, methane and CO2 are not catalyst gasses you dunce.

How much of a coincidence is it that the fake meat rolling out at a faster rate coincides with the covid vax?

>>15170024
>psychotic vegan kvetching about meat production cruelty
So disingenuous. Even animals didn't die from production you still wouldn't eat it. You're like when video game companies kowtow to twitter instead of longtime fans.

>>15170330
Depends what you mean by fake because it is actual animal tissue with DNA. Plant-based proteins that mimic meat have been around years (technically generations but has really matured and gained popularity over the past decade). In vitro meat has been predicted to become commercially (but not competitively) viable in the early 2020s for years. It will likely take the best part of this decade before it's competitive.

>>15169500
Ok fag.

>>15170024
All big industries are corrupt as fuck. Just look at nestle and it's use of slave labor for its chocolate for fucks sake.
Grow your own food.

>>15168856
When they start growing human meat, yes.

>>15169485
>>15170579
based and fag detector pilled

>>15169550
Every single little thing that happens in Israel doesn't have to be part of some giant conspiracy you moron. If Netanyahu forgets to shower tomorrow does that also push the Jewish agenda?

>>15169771
>mouthfeel
Kys

>>15170316
L O L
You actually know nothing. It's ok to admit when you're lacking knowledge on something, js

>>15168856
Yes

>>15168996
>petri dishes of congealed meat surely have an immune system, just check my references bro

>>15168856
I'll try it. If it tastes funky, I'll stick with natural meat.

>>15171031
he said source, not meme greentext
again, source?

>>15168856
I'll buy lab meat when it has a better taste/price point than actual meat.
Animal welfare is effectively of 0 weighting in the equation.

>>15168856
FUCK

YES

I

WOULD

I'd try it.

It'd also be neat if lab grown meat started producing meat for animals that aren't typically eaten. Since nothing gets killed there's no guilt, so people can engage in cannibalism or try out things like elephants, dolphins, really anything.

>>15168856
It it tastes good.

>>15168929
>CHICKEN
>ARISE

Will I need to wash my lab-grown meat before cooking, like you need to do with chicken and pork?

>>15171346
>cannibalism
Not necessarily. Deep fake child porn probably won't be allowed because it seeds and normalizes attraction to children, which may be acted on by people who decide they want want the real thing and would never otherwise have had that fixation. It's like how some people wank themselves gay through trap porn and constantly shitpost on /b/ and /r9k/ about how they wish they had a trap GF IRL

Allowing cultural acceptance of cannibalism would risk at least some psychos getting a taste for it and deciding one day deciding they don't trust science anymore and will only eat organic human meat from now on. Not worth it just for the sake of people wanting to be edgy. The last thing you should want as a product of evolution is people categorising what you're made of as food.

>>15168856
Isn't it still killed when it's forced to stop growing and cooked?

>>15171848
Animal welfare isn't the only ethical argument for not eating meat but even so it's not about whether something is technically alive or it would apply to plants. Not many people for example would equate slicing a dog in half and slicing a carrot in half as ethically the same, despite them both being alive, because it's plausible that dog's feel but not plausible that carrots do.

>>15171959
Probably are gonna want to kill the dog before you slice it in half otherwise it's gonna bite the shit out of you.

Also once it's sliced its dead. Meanwhile the carrot is still alive after it's sliced. All root veg are.

>>15168935
>Lab grown meat is bathed in antibiotics because it doesn't have an immune system.
Ahahahaha, who fed you this load of crap?

>>15171959
If it's okay to kill things without brains then we should get rid of all the vegans before it's too late.

>>15172005
>before it's too late
Interesting choice of words. You worried about the vegans?

>>15172074
You shouldn't put the arms of a meat eater on the arms of a vegan. it would offend the bug child.

>>15172090
she isn't old enough to be browsing 4chan

>>15169110
I thought it was bongs who called chicken sandwiches butgers

>>15171848
I imagine that most people who are vegan for non-religious reasons understand that killing muscle fibers is different from killing a sentient being.
>>15171834
There's a difference between normalizing a sexual attraction/fetish that someone needs to experience in order to get off and normalizing a taste for novelty meat. Plus domestic animals were bred to be tasty, and most of the global wealthy are not adventurous with meat; novelty meats will by and large taste like shit to the people who can afford the lab-grown stuff.

>>15172107
muscle fibres ARE sentient.

>>15171983
>It is common practice to add antibiotic or antibiotic/antimitotics to cells in cultures to prevent infection particularly for long-term cultures.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6078906/

>>15172095
depends if its a piece of chicken flesh breaded or a patty of chicken paste breaded

>>15168935
Antibiotics is for live animals you stupid fuck. Sterilised Steel vats of lab grown chunks of meat dont need antibiotics to grow. Stop poisoning your mind with low IQ conspiracy theories

>>15168939
The Vegan capital of the world. Highest proportion of the population who are Vegan. Rich too. They even have Vegan wear for their Palestinian death squads. And quite a few impressive In vitro meat start ups. So perfect place for a meme lab grown meat restuarant

>>15168856
Fuck yes

>>15168856
>Israel
That's all I needed to know.

>>15169692
Except it do be like that sometimes

>>15169401
>I wish people would throw away this stupid lab grown vegan shit and just look into producing their own food
I'm a full-time sculptor and that is my passion. I live in a city because that's where the work is. However, I've read about regenerative ranching and want to support it/get my food that way. What do?

>>15168935
What a stupid post

>>15171834
>Deep fake child porn
Is already illegal treated like real CP

>>15171031
>my reasoning is hard evidence
God damn you're dumb

>>15173574
>thank god no animals were killed to make my human-killikg uniform!

>>15174028
You can either leave the city, start a homestead and continue sculpting with your free time. Or you can stay in the city and support regenerative farms. It will cost extra, but if you do lots of research and buy wholesale it wont cost too much extra because you will only be buying a few times a year. Get a chest freezer, I definitely recommend that.

What city do you live in? I can try finding the closest regenerative farm to you that way.

Or instead of doxxing yourself you can go here

https://regenerationinternational.org/regenerative-farm-map

One of the biggest things you can do is spread the word about regenerative agriculture and small farms. Basically what vegans do but you will have an easier time spreading it because its way easier to just eat tastier food raised by honest people than to moralfag and try to tell the entire world that they have to become religious ascetics.

>>15168856
no, because I basically never eat minced chicken.

lab grown meat will never succeed at making anything else. Maybe minced pork/beef paste, but not ground beef and certainly not entire whole cuts of meat.

>>15168856
If it is indistinguishable from regular meat and at the same price. Sure why the fuck not.

>>15168856
Meat just isn't meat if I don't know someone was paid minimum wage to strangle it to death

>>15174522
Ground beef sounds infinitely easier than chicken, considering most of the research has been done on beef so far

>>15174542
no, ground beef will probably be harder than whole chicken. minced beef may be doable.

unless by "ground" you mean the paste-like mince that subhumans eat. then yea probably doable.

>>15174514
Not him, but there's actually a few places by me in Michigan. Thanks for posting this

>>15174751
You're welcome.

I like to be optimistic, and instead of people eating bugs and stem cells we will be eating real food grown by honest people instead of supporting supermarkets and megafarms who only care about profits and nothing else. I really think even vegans should be looking into supporting regenerative farms. Even if they aren't veganic farms they will have incredibly high quality produce grown without chemicals or any sort of intensive and destructive equipment

>>15168856
yes

>>15168856
If it tastes just like the meat it's imitating along with having the same amount of nutrition and nothing foreign then yes.

>>15168925

"do what I think you should or you're stubborn"

irony

>in israel
yes, good goy

>>15173537
Where does it say that they're "bathed" in antibiotics?

I would rather be a vegetarian than eat lab meat and bugs.

>>15168935
Based jew
Yeah I'll always eat meat but insectoid city freaks should be forced to eat bugs and lab grown "meat" because they're not really people anyway
We should also wall off cities and have strict check points for anyone going in or out. They're basically already insane asylum for people that can't care for themselves

>>15168900
Retard.

>>15168856
Are they making lab grown bones yet?

>>15168856
I wouldn't be reaching for it in the cooler but neither would I be scanning the packaging to avoid it.

>>15173574
Well, at least we know it isn’t anything horrible, no way would a kike poison his own food

>>15168925
Kek
>>15174950
Seethe

>>15168856
yes, why wouldn't you

the modern carnage based meat industry weighs down your soul

>>15175320
>We should also wall off cities and have strict check points for anyone going in or out. They're basically already insane asylum for people that can't care for themselves

Please start with LA.

>>15168856
>Test restaurant in Israel
Damn you can't make that shit up, they live by the stereotype

>>15168856
No.