/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Didn't the AHA publicly acknowledge that the saturated fat scare was bullshit?

>>15141924
Yes but not completely. And they certainly can't admit that these garbage byproduct oils are horrible for you.

>>15141911
It’s amazing to me that this organization is so corrupt that they are pushing the exact opposite of good advice for heart healthy diets. Burgers have completely fucked themselves over, even their health advisory agencies are corrupted to the point of becoming toxic.

>>15141911
for me it's olive oil and lard

>>15141911
why even bother? fat, slobby and stupid americans deserve to die of blood clots when they're 30

>>15141943
Damn striaght, btw it's almost my time! Can't wait.

>>15141939
For me it's grass fed ghee

>>15141955
I'm sorry mutt if you're on here you're probably alright, try to survive for a bit longer

>>15141937
what oils would be good for cooking?
Other than olive.
I usually just use butter when I have to cook chicken/fish, and for salad toppings it's always EVOO.

Can I cook with EVOO?

>>15141911
"Better for you fats"
>Corn
>Sunflower
>Soybean
These are all shitty oils way to high in Omega-6. You're better off using plain old butter than these.

They just want everyone to have heart attacks how gullible are you fast food eating retards (very)

>>15141911
They have been clinging to this shit since the 90s. They have to be getting a big cut from these subsidized ass crops.

>>15142019
To be safe it's best not eating at all.
IF for whatever reason you MUST eat, try Soylent™.

>>15142088
kys

>>15141911
The American Heart Association has always been a marketing organization first and foremost. Cheerios don't actually do anything for your cholesterol aside from being a better option than drinking bacon grease.

>>15142019
Personally I would say Canola, Olive, Safflower, and Sunflower are significantly better than the other options they recommend.

>>15142088
LOL but accidentally correct. statistically speaking most americans you talk to could benefit from eating less.

>>15141924
The American Heart Association exists FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE of promoting vegetable oils.

They started as a sponsored advertiser for Crisco (cottonseed oil).

There is no way to walk back their support of vegetable oils. If people learn that vegetable oils are the source of the diseases the AHA claims they cure, the AHA will cease to exist.

>canola oil is good for you
>soybean oil is good for you
haha holy fuck

>>15142151
I'll pose the question again
what are good oils then?

I use evoo 80% of the time
butter/rendered fat from beef/pork the other 20%

>>15141943
What does your country recommend for fats?
America's guidelines are in sync with the world health organization.

The American Heart Association exists only to advertise vegetable oil.

>Founded in 1924 at the outset of the heart disease epidemic, the group was a scientific society of cardiologists seeking to better understand this new affliction. For decades, the AHA was small and underfunded, with virtually no income. Then, in 1948, it got lucky: Procter & Gamble (P&G) designated the group to receive all the funds from its “Truth or Consequences” contest on the radio, raising $1,740,000, or $17 million in today’s dollars. At a luncheon, P&G executives presented a check to the AHA president, and “suddenly the coffers were filled and there were funds available for research, public health progress and development of local groups—all the stuff that dreams are made of!” according to the AHA’s official history. The P&G check was the “bang of big bucks” that “launched” the group. Indeed, one year later the group opened seven chapters across the country and collected $2,650,000 from donations. By 1960, it had more than three hundred chapters and brought in more than $30 million annually. With continued support from P&G and other food giants, the AHA would soon become the premiere heart disease group in the United States, as well as the largest not for profit group of any kind in the country.

>>15142158
Butter/ghee, tallow, coconut oil, cacao butter.

>>15142188
>world health organization.
meme

>>15141939
this

I usually cook with sesame oil, butter, olive oil, and a little jar of chicken fat I rendered from some thigh skin a few months ago

>>15142042
sunflower is bad because the molecule breaks at high temperature and becomes poison

>>15142225
isn't EVOO smoke point really low as well?

>>15142019
Lard, tallow, butter

>>15142571
can't get tallow here, and the lard they sell at the supermarket is awkward for w/e reason.

I'll stick with butter and EVOO.
I think I should try to get in touch with a farmer to see if they have raw/unprocessed tallow

>>15142449
yes, a little higher then butter.

>>15141943
back to your containment board you obsessed faggot >>>/int/

>>15141911
Just like literally everything else: in moderation

>>15142636
Ok chud

>>15142019
Olive is fine for light cooking. Avocado oil has a higher smoke point if you need it.

>>15142199
Fast way to a heart attack, retard.

>>15142804
Obesity is the main cause of heart disease. Vegetable fat being pushed as a healthier alternative ended up killing thousands more because of the trans fat in vegetable shortening.

I don't think all vegetable oils are inherently bad for you, but I don't think saturated fats are as bad as they say either. Especially when you learn groups like the American Heart Association were sponsored by producers of vegetable oil >>15142195

>>15142804
Saturated fat protects against heart attacks and cancer. They are by far the healthiest fats.

>>15142804
Read the thread, GPT-3 bot. Adjust your knowledge base.

Fuck I hate nanny bots.

Under no circumstances should canola (soy), or literal soy be consumed.

>>15142824
>>15142839
Saturated fat and trans fat both contribute to heart disease.

>>15142841
>t. bro-science retard who has never read a scientific paper.

>>15142127
stop being such a glowni–
>it's true
well fuck

>>15142867
>t. literal GPT-3 bot programmed to spew forth incorrect science that was proved to be industry disinformation decades ago
Escalate this to a live shill at AECOM.

>>15142878
Your "bro science" is pseudoscience, brainlet.

>>15141911
Oy vey!

>>15142096
I worked on Canada's Heart & Stroke Foundation lotteries. Call people up to 10 times per event. $100 ticket, 1/4 chance of winning $100.
Later worked organizing scientific abstracts for their big medical convention they hosted on some tropical island. 90% of the abstracts were about erectile medication.

>>15142884
So you ARE a mere chat bot. Neat. Now tell me why keto’s bad, I want to see if you still work the same script you did a year ago.

>>15142878
>>15142910

>We included 15 randomised controlled trials (RCTs) (16 comparisons, ~59,000 participants), that used a variety of interventions from providing all food to advice on reducing saturated fat. The included long‐term trials suggested that reducing dietary saturated fat reduced the risk of combined cardiovascular events by 21% (risk ratio (RR) 0.79; 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.66 to 0.93, 11 trials, 53,300 participants of whom 8% had a cardiovascular event, I2 = 65%, GRADE moderate‐quality evidence). Meta‐regression suggested that greater reductions in saturated fat (reflected in greater reductions in serum cholesterol) resulted in greater reductions in risk of CVD events, explaining most heterogeneity between trials. The number needed to treat for an additional beneficial outcome (NNTB) was 56 in primary prevention trials, so 56 people need to reduce their saturated fat intake for ~four years for one person to avoid experiencing a CVD event.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD011737.pub2/full

>>15142923
Thanks for the viral link, chat bot. But I requested an automated info-dump on keto. I know, getting a shillbot firing on all cylinders is hard when an Indian programmed you.

>>15142931
Imagine being btfo this hard and still talking shit.

>>15142939
>shitting out a quote from some web site is a BTFOing
Everybody can tell you’re a chat bot.

>>15142088
based

>>15142969
I cited a current 2020 review of the evidence by the most rigorous medical research institution in existence. Not sure what else you need. You're wrong.

>>15142923
>224 combined years of vegetable oil consumption to prevent 1 cardiac event
Sounds legit. Wear the vegetable oil bigot.

>>15142983
>>>/x/

>>15141924
No. Where did you hear that?

>>15142099
They do recommend those

>>15141911
I trust doctors and scientists over 4chan basement dwellers who are trying to say the AHA is wrong

>>15142979
>review
OK Lord Dorwin.

>>15142923
What's the correlation like when comparing thin people? Did they adjust for differences in BMI?

>>15143021
Especially when they only say the AHA is wrong because the AHA says something they don't like. If the AHA said to eat butter and lard like the idiots on this board do, it'd be used for support every time someone wants to shill keto

>>15143021
You shouldn't blindly trust anyone. Lots of doctors and scientists think of what they do as nothing more than a job and are mainly interested in making money. The AHA was literally paid by a major company that made vegetable oil which should be a clear conflict of interest.

Ah yes for thousands of year everyone was eating the wrong fats but thankfully industrial vegetable fats are here to save us

>>15143050
The included studies controlled for BMI and other relevant lifestyle factors.

>>15143003
I don't know. Maybe it was Harvard.

>>15143055
Keto shills get just as much criticism here.

>>15143066
>source: trust me bro

>>15143070
I literally gave you the link, moron.

>>15143055
just because you eat butter and lard doesn't mean you are a ketofag.
You can easily eat butter and lard and eat shit like potatoes, rice, beans, oats, and fruit and be perfectly healthy and not a keto fag.

>>15143067
Oh yeah, Harvard did put out an article that seems confusing if you don't read it
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/the-truth-about-fats-bad-and-good

They list saturated fat as an "in-between" fat, with Trans as the bad fat and Poly and Monounsaturated as the Good fats. They don't argue that saturated fats are good or even that they aren't bad. The article warns that they raise LDL cholesterol and contribute to heart attacks, and references data that seems to exonerate saturated fats by clarifying that those studies show that what you replace saturated fats with matter, as replacing it with polyunsaturated fats or high-fiber carbs lowers heart disease risk while replacing it with refined carbs doesn't.

In another article, they say "Saturated fats, while not as harmful as trans fats, by comparison with unsaturated fats negatively impact health and are best consumed in moderation."

No major health authority recommends not limiting saturated fat intake, with 10% of calories I think being the upper limit that anyone recommends. The AHA recommends no more than 6-7%

>>15142839
>Saturated fat protects against heart attacks and cancer
gonna ask a source for that statement

>>15141911
Are these fuckers right about anything? Why should I ever believe their recommendations?

>>15143127
I guarantee you it'll be some roundabout theory of inflammation that no direct research supports at any level

>>15142848
i sure hope this is bait? Canola is rapeseed and soy bean oil is made out of soy bean oil

I eat raw coconut oil and use it in stir fry
fight me

>>15143064
>beliefs don't stand up to scientific investigation
>appeals to sentimentalism and traditionalism
Let's bring life expectancy back down to 40 while we're at it

PUFAs are bad

>>15143416
Bad as in cool

>>15141911
>Not including desi ghee
>List as biased as sugar vs fat guidance earlier

>>15143406
maybe you should read this

>>15142019
Olive is alright but it's simply better used as dressing than cooking.
Avocado and coconut oil are fruit oils that dont need much processing in the factory and have high smoke points. Best options if someone is too sensitive to dairy to use butter.
Butter/ghee/tallow have some good nutrients to them, especially the butter, and ideally theyd be grass fed if its available.

>>15143021
The 'experts' stumbled over themselves to wildly contradict themselves or conflict on basic topics during a large part of 2020 and so it's fine to trust them with out heads in the sand as the country spills over a 40% obesity rate
Ok

>>15143112
ok now look up how much poly and monounsaturated fats they recommend in a day, lol. of course you should limit your intake, but saturated fat should be a large part of your daily diet. you can't survive off of other types of fat. the recommended max amount of olive oil for the average person is like a tbsp or two, and much less for other "healthy" oils. you will starve without enough fat in your diet, so where does that leave you? look up "rabbit starvation".

>>15141911
>canola

>>15143088
I ctrl+f'ed 'BMI', 'weight' and it says nothing about how the effect varies depending on the person's phsyque, you lying retard.

>>15143776
Read the studies. They are all controlled for BMI, smoking behavior, age, sex, etc. That's standard for controlled studies.

>>15143447
>Sally Fallon Morell
LOL, her only degree is in English

>>15143786
Lmao, nice cop out.

>>15141911
You can literally eat like complete dogshit into your 60's and not have health problems if you don't get overweight/keep a proper BMI/BF....only caveat at to that is if you live off sugar and get the beetus

>>15141911
>Canola
>Corn
>Soybean
>Sunflower
>Healthy

>>15143406
It was only ever 40 because a lot of people died really young.
Those who made it into adulthood often lived into old age.
Also as a side note heart disease was extremely rare just 150 year's ago, before all of these industrial plant oil's existed.
If you still for some reason believe they are healthy for you go ahead and drink canola oil.
You will absolutely feel terrible and will probably throw up.
The same won't happen if you eat butter or lard.

>>15141911
Fuck that list, sunflower oil destroyed all potato chips forever and I guess olive oil can be ok to cook steaks in as long as you end with adding butter for the caramellization but overall just butter is a better option so shitty list seeing as most of the stuff there doesn't even need to exist and that which do should be used far less like olive oil

>>15144024
...maybe it could work by sanctioning all olive oil to get people to start using less I guess most of the rest could just be snuffed

>>15144024
how do you get a good sear on a steak using butter only without getting the bitterness from burning the butter or not burning the butter but having an overcooked steak to get a sear/crust??

>>15144040
What is a grill...

But if you can't grill for some reason then I guess you could get a good result in an oven if you don't have time for that then yes you could use just butter (lower temp if you burn it for some reason) or just go with oil and throw in some butter as well when you are done to caramellize both sides

>>15144040
I only cook my steaks for about one minute so I wouldn't know
My butter never burn's

>>15144100
>using a grill for a steak
kek, this is bait right?

>>15144024
Goddamn shut the fuck up incel

>>15144137
Believe it or not but more things than just sausage and burger can be put on a grill who knew

>>15144149
"Inselaffe"? No I'm not British why do you ask?

>>15143982
>It was only ever 40 because a lot of people died really young.
No shit. The idea of "fuck actually figuring out how things work and what's good or bad for us, just do what's traditional" means you should support lead-lined drinkware, elixirs made with arsenic and mercury, or rubbing horse shit in your wounds to heal them.
>Also as a side note heart disease was extremely rare just 150 year's ago
Most people 150+ years ago didn't have the means to eat the diets you take for granted now. As diets shifted away from wheat, barley, and vegetables towards a higher reliance on meats, cheeses, and animal fats, heart disease rates went up, which after research showed a biologically plausible link to, and polyunsaturated fats showed promise as a healthful alternative, plant oils became more popular as a result. They didn't recommend them for no reason one day. One of the earliest things they noticed that led them to investigate diet and heart disease was the observation that heart disease was more rare in the Mediterranean than in the United States, and that those Italians ate more olive oil, less animal fat, and had a mostly vegetarian diet.
>before all of these industrial plant oil's existed.
Besides at least sesame and olive oils that have been consumed for thousands of years. Newer doesn't mean evil, though. Canola oil may even be healthier than olive oil, at least on paper.

>>15144298
>Believe it or not but more things than just sausage and burger can be put on a grill who knew
what kind of poor white trash cooks steak on a grill?

>>15143917
Bullshit. You will get cancer if you eat a lot of animal fat.

>>15144327
Yes because meat works that differently depending on where the heat comes from, grab a fucking frying pan with you to the grill then if you are that pretentious and don't understand how the food industry works either.

It never occured to you that some people actually like being outside, enjoy barbequeing almost more than actually eating it and love the taste of something that has been grilled over well any other method really

>>15144588
>Bullshit. You will get cancer if you eat a lot of animal fat.
fucking retard, this is junk science from the bread lobby

>>15144588
So you can't get cancer by plant matter O.o

What if you let's say burn a organic material and inhale the smoke like in cigarrettes could you possibly get cancer from that or increase the risk what do you think?

I enjoy plant matter as well as fruit also but I prefer to have a varied diet to make sure to get everything a human need which you don't get by not eating animal protein (guess you could add a whole lot of supplements and hope for the best just don't abuse your child in this matter and hurt it during the most important time of it's life) while you could likely get cancer by a whole lot of different plants as well so singleing out meats are just small minded, dishonest and just not fair but if that's the kind of world you'd like to live in then sure I guess just don't push it on others

Honestly, keep eating vegetable oils. I'm in stroke rehab and the more you retards eat rancid supermarket smoking oils from your scratched nonstick pans, the more I get paid.

Soy is the devils plant

>>15141924
>.t saturated fatty

>>15144686
Maybe the devils drug of choice but wouldn't olive oil be more demonic I mean you press the very soul out of the unfortunate olives that get in the way of the monster olive farmers

>>15144308
>>It was only ever 40 because a lot of people died really young.
>No shit.
He meant really young as in early childhood, people who survived childhood typically lived to around 60. Recently it's been said that life expectancy has actually been dropping for the next generation because of all the diet-related issues we have now.

>>15144652
>olive oil
>no flavor

>>15141939
lardy boys gang report in

>>15144714
Female hands typed this post.

>>15143928
Other than that they just dont taste good if used to fry or bake. Avocado oil has a much more neutral flavor

After I make bacon I pour the liquid bacon fat out of the pain into a container.
When I need to lube up a pan I use either that or olive oil depending on the food item.

I just use vegetable oil for everything. Olive oil tastes funny to me

GHEE, butter, lard, tallow and coconut oil are the best. Olive oil is ok for sautéing and other low heat cooking.

>>15141911
>rapeseed, safflower, corn
>good

most of that list is literal poison

eat olive oil, butter and lard and stop being gay

>>15141911
cure heart disease and AHA goes out of business, makes sense

>>15141911
>no top tier grape seed oil

Absolute Harem

>>15141911
canola oil is generic garbage. does canola oil even have a proper distinction? I thought canola is generic "canada oil" and it can be literally anything under the sun. I don't trust any garbage that comes from canada. it's a wintery wasteland and there is nothing of culinary value that could possibly come from that region

>>15144795
>I thought canola is generic "canada oil" and it can be literally anything under the sun.
wut

>>15144795
canola oil's proper name is rapeseed oil
let that sink in

>>15144739
u w0t m8 O.o

You can decide to eat what you want I dont understand how someone can look at our own body composition and history and demonize all animal fats like theyre the devil. At minimum, ghee has evidence of being health neutral at worst when indians use it for cooking. Wtf did cold climate hunter gatherers survive off of during winter to get some calories? The tropical fruits of the supermarket? These were people who also needed to perform well athletically

>>15141911
>>According to the American Heart Association, these are the best/healthiest cooking oils

That's not what that says at all.

>>15144808
thank canada for inveting such garbage. it's the truth. canola is not a seed or vegetable. it's an amalgamation

>>15142636
talk to a butcher and see if you can get suet and render it out yourself. it's very cheap

>>15142195
This reads like propaganda to me.

FYI having a cynical opinion doesn't make you smarter than the average bear.

>>15144893
actually sounds nice. thanks for the idea broseph

>>15145033
so do you actually have anything on topic to say or not

>>15145085
It's better to trust the AHA than misanthropic autists who operate by using confirmation bias to find studies that support their cynical opinions while ignoring anything that doesn't in order to appear smarter than those around them.

>>15144645
>So you can't get cancer by plant matter O.o
Stopped reading here. You are obviously incapable of elementary logical reasoning.

>>15144595
Carcinogens accumulate up the food chain, moron.

>>15145194
Can plant matter increase the risk of cancer, yes or no?

It is a very straight forward question and very reasonable given what you said.

>>15141911
>Some specialty oils are also good choices, but may cost more or be harder to find.
Then why not put it in the main list? The list should be telling you what's the healthiest , not what's the cheapest

>>15145167
Even when money and bribery comes into the picture? Isn't cynicism the act of becoming passive and submitting to being told to shut up rather than the act of simply trying to find what's good? Studies for all kinds of topics are frankly quite messy in how often they contradict each other for things even more mundane than oils

just use oils high in monounsaturated fat

>>15145234
You are literally retarded.

>>15141911
Canola oil is disgusting, pleb-tier shit.

>>15145296
It's the healthiest oil for frying.

>health officials go overboard in promoting vegetable oils and denigrating saturated fat
>retards get it through their head that they should actually eat enormous amounts of saturated fat
yeah, no. it's your health, but personally there's still tons of data suggesting a diet very high in saturated fat causes heart problems, whereas there's almost no data that suggests using, say, olive oil is bad for you. just avoid cheaply processed high PUFA oils for cooking at high temps. if youre worried about your health you shouldnt even be frying foods to begin with though.

>>15145320
no one here is saying theyre guzzling down melted tallow by the buckets, just what to cook with which is frankly a spoonful of butter for your veggies

>>15145330
I only use butter for meat/chicken/fish/eggs.

Vegetables I either steam or saute.

>>15141911
Canola is toxic. Don't ask me how I know. Do not use it often

>>15145359
>Don't ask me how I know.
You don't know. You just heard it from some other retard on the internet.

>>15145330
i already consume whole milk, dark chocolate and a bit of butter, so i dont feel like i should add more saturated fat to my diet by cooking with tallow. stuff adds up.

>>15142898
Normal people fuck. Deal with it, incel.

>>15145371
You seem pretty adamant in coming here defending vegetable oils.

>>15145359
>Source: bro trust me

>>15145359
It's literally industrial waste. It's the biggest scam in food. It used to be used as engine lubricant.

>>15145533
>aaauuuhhhhmmm? citation pleeeaaasee
You will never see the inside of a vagina. Relegated to bussies on a good day.

>>15145076
no problem. I found some packed in an actual grocery store in the middle of assfuck nowhere Vermont. cant find it anywhere else surprisingly. but if you have a good butcher they should be able to help you out

>>15145167
yes I'm sure the rootless corporate puppet has our best interests at heart

>>15145520
They are the only oils anyone should use for cooking.

>>15145630
yikes

>>15145576
>see the inside of a vagina
how exactly do you imagine sex works?

>>15145272
Do you think every single group of health experts in the world has been paid off to say virtually the same thing? Do you even think plant oils are particularly powerful player in the industry as far as wealth and influence? Even for a conspiracy theory, it take some heavy suspension of disbelief
>Studies for all kinds of topics are frankly quite messy in how often they contradict each other for things even more mundane than oils
In some cases, but a lot of cases of "the science keeps flipflopping" are actually just misunderstandings caused by laypeople who don't know how to compare study methods or interpret the full findings of research seeing a summary of 2 papers that say different things, and with nothing but the most surface-level analysis rule both papers as canceling each other out. It's great that we live in an age of information but people need to also humble themselves a bit and accept that they're judgement almost certainly won't be as accurate or nuanced as those of people who are educated in that field and have careers dedicated to such research

>>15143754
>ok now look up how much poly and monounsaturated fats they recommend in a day, lol
20-40%. Your requirements for essentially fatty acids can be met by like 2% of your diet as polyunsaturated fats so fat-related malnutrition is virtually only found in people with absorption disorders and saturated fats are non-essential

>>15142804
Polyunsaturated fats cause heart attacks as they oxidize in the bloodstream and damage your blood vessels.

>>15146207
Saturated fat raises LDL cholesterol.

>>15146214
The cholesterol theory is a obfuscation method designed to hide the negative impact of vegetable oils.

>>15146223
>>>/x/

>>15146214
shut up you gay little queerbate

>>15146225
Go on, show me all the heart disease in high saturated fat cultures like the maasai or everywhere before the introduction of vegetable oils

>>15146233
The Masai only eat meat a couple of times per month.

>>15146276
Half their fucking diet is full fat milk

>>15146282
And they unsurprisingly suffer from atherosclerosis at an elevated rate.

>>15145290
So not even burning organic material like plant matter and inhaling the smoke doesn't at all increase the risk of any form of cancer then either I guess

>>15146288
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0368131964800417
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0021915080901318
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51399410_Daily_energy_expenditure_and_cardiovascular_risk_in_Masai_rural_and_urban_Bantu_Tanzanians
No they don't

>>15146306
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0368131964800417

In this paper:
>Dr. Mann did an autopsy study of 50 Masai men and found that they had extensive atherosclerosis. They had disease (coronary intimal thickening) on par with older American men. Over 80% of the men over age 40 had severe fibrosis in their aorta, the main blood vessel from the heart that supplies the rest of the body with blood.

>>15143535
>simply better used as dressing
Meds would like to have a word with you

Good quality RAPEseed Oil for me thanks.

>>15141911
The AHA is completely subverted by the Israel lobbyists. It's become a special interests group.

>>15146306
>Despite a long continued diet of exclusively meat and milk the men have low levels of serum cholesterol
>The Maasai of East Africa have been found to have low serum concentrations of cholesterol
>The hypocholesterolaemia of the Maasai had also been attributed to a genetic adaptation
Doesn't sound like this applies to anyone but the Maasai who have genetically adapted to their diet. The fact that their life expectancy is in the mid 40s also doesn't leave much time for heart disease to become extensive.

>>15141911
so only good info we can have from this post is that the listed oil sales have dropped and the corporations have paid of AHA to do advertizing.

>>15146207
When you come up with something like this, you have to think two things. First, does anything support this hypothesis? And secondly, how do you think this is a line of inquiry that the global collective of scientists haven't studied and rejected?
There's a million of these dumb theories about how the healthy fats are actually the ones that fuck you up and the unhealthy fats actually make everything better but the data to support them either isn't there or is so weak that it becomes immediately obvious that the idea came from a charlatan cherrypicking some quirk about, in this case polyunsaturated fats, that may be true on some level of study (pufas being more prone to oxidation) but in practice, in the human body, has no significance, and meanwhile ignoring any effect of saturated fat itself on inflammation and arterial function in addition to its LDL-raising property. There's no other way to phrase it than "clutching at straws"

>>15146458
Wrong

>>15146464
Oh, okay

>hong kong chinese are #1 in pork consumption
>also #1 in life expectancy
how do they do it? is the omega 3s from their also-high fish consumption

>>15146542
>take a recent trend of one source of saturated fat
>try to relate it to a disease that takes many decades to develop
Leave statistics to the statisticians

>>15146554
>recent
hong kong has been wealthy enough for at least 2 decades to afford their pork and chicken, anon

>>15146564
How long does it take to die of diet or age related diseases?

>>15146587
>die
why do they need to die to be diagnosed? 30 year olds would be 50 by now

>all this seething at a bit of lard
You ever consider that the past parading against saturated fats may be a bit overblown and it's not gonna kill the French or anyone else if they have a tb of butter here and there or an omelet? No one would actually want to eat a cupful of butter all at once, they'd probably get nauseous

>>15146593
You said life expectancy, but regardless, even Americans don't develop clinical signs of heart disease in 20 years of slim jims, big gulps, and obesity. It may happen that after a period of time, the change in diet in Hong Kong will increase their heart disease rates. Or, through the use of modern statin drugs, they may be protected.
>>15146611
Glad that you brought the French up actually, as they're an example of the time lag issue in heart disease rates. The famous "French paradox" is likely explained by that same time lag difference between when their diets shifted towards higher fat and the result of heart disease
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1115846/
>We propose that the difference is due to the time lag between increases in consumption of animal fat and serum cholesterol concentrations and the resulting increase in mortality from heart disease—similar to the recognised time lag between smoking and lung cancer. Consumption of animal fat and serum cholesterol concentrations increased only recently in France but did so decades ago in Britain
>Evidence supports this explanation: mortality from heart disease across countries, including France, correlates strongly with levels of animal fat consumption and serum cholesterol in the past (30 years ago) but only weakly to recent levels. Based on past levels, mortality data for France are not discrepant
There's more shit you have to think about in comparisons like these. It's good to read expert opinions.

>american
like i'm gonna trust (((them)))

>mfw i've been using rapeseed oil because of its high smoke point
what's the best alternative with a high smoke point

>>15146648
avocado

>>15146649
i dont live in a meme country, that isn't a thing here

>can't have calorically dense carb (sweet) foods in too large amounts because they'll give you the beetus and then eventually alzheimers
>vegetables dont have enough caloric density unless you want to spend 6 hours a day eating lettuce
>calorically dense fish are the fatty fish
>you're not allowed to eat saturated fat either according to the benevolent AHA
time to sip EVOO and work on becoming a breatharian

>>15146630
>shifted towards higher fat
shifted towards higher fat ONLY or towards american/uk-influenced style eating in general with more frequent fast food, increasing portion sizes, and eating out?

>>15146656
>the only foods are sweets, vegetables, fish, and sat. fat
Why do Americans act like this? Is it willful arrogance or do they legitimately believe their own hype?

>>15146674
Do you not know the definition of calorically dense? Not everyone can indefinitely consume fruits, rice, and bread without killing their pancreas

>>15146683
>Americans in charge of their own diet
This is why you're so fat.

>>15146786
I'm not but you have nothing to throw back so you're resorting to that anyway. Possibly out of projection.
Try to eat more than a few hundred calories' of 100% lean protein without getting tired of it halfway through with not a hint of fat or butter. I'd almost rather take my chances with the diabetes and eat more rice & veg or fruit.

you will never convince food pyramidcels that everything they were told was a lie.
its better to let them keep eating their margarine and peanut butter

I can never get a straight answer in these damn threads. Which oils are legitimately ok to use?

>>15146875
Well if you still feel dubious about animal fats like ghee or coconut oil, not even the AHA has complained about sesame or olive oil. The downside with sesame is the sesame-y taste may not go with some things

>>15146865
w-what's wrong with peanut butter

>>15146875
oils that don't need industrial processes and chemicals to be extracted are safe.
these tend to be animal and tropical plant sources
coconut, olive, avocado, beef tallow

>>15146893
nothing in small amounts and if it doesnt have too much sugar. it's mostly that it's high in omega6 and many westerners dont bother consuming a few deenz or some salmon to balance out with omega3

fritos were fried in refined coconut oil in the 1950s
mcdonalds used beef tallow for all their fries
somehow everyone was living on chips, hamburgers, ice cream, and coca cola and not 300lbs
it was the switch to seed oils that created the modern amerilard

>>15146918
to be fair it took a while for portion sizes (and the disposable income to buy a ton of it) to balloon to what it is today
not even the inventor of coca cola likely originally imagined people using it as a water replacement compared to it simply being a refreshing sip for a weekend outing

>>15146924
as if people couldn't afford as many 5 cent hamburgers as they wanted back then?

>>15146937
not if peer pressure prevented them from eating more than what's seen as normal because theyd feel embarrassed

>>15141911
Ok but eye doctors would stab them over this lol

>>15147008
why are eye doctors so violent bros?

>>15142636
Get grassfed ghee on amazon

>>15142804
Based time traveller from 40 years ago

>>15146969
We didn't sit at computers in the 1950s anon.

>>15147162
The science hasn't changed on the link between saturated fat and heart disease.

>>15146458
>>15146464
OWNED

>>15141911
>why yes I use rapeseed oil only

>>15145630
Nobody should use any oil's for cooking at all
At best maybe olive oil get's a pass but even that isn't by any means healthy

>>15148962
>why yes I use rapeseed oil only

>>15142199
coconut oil is one of the most dangerous oils apparently

>>15146924
>imagined people using it as a water replacement compared to it simply being a refreshing sip for a weekend outing
do americans really

>>15149149
how so?

>>15149149
No it isn't.

>>15149375
Some people still promote the lie that saturated fat is bad.

>>15149422
coconut oil is one I see nutritionists often dancing around.

At times some say it's good, at others they say it's not. Can't find a good scholarly paper on it

>>15149422
>Some people
It's what's technically known as a scientific consensus

>>15149624
Only vegans and vegetable oil merchants are clinging to the saturated fat bad lie.

>Leading Scientists Agree: Current Limits on Saturated Fats No Longer Justified
https://www.nutritioncoalition.us/news/saturated-fat-limit-not-justified

>>15149094
Okay enjoy having half your food stuck onto the pan retard

>>15146879
>animal fats like ghee or coconut oil

>>15149856
Is it more gramatically correct to place a comma before the or?

>>15146656
let's add couple things

>can't have calorically dense carb (sweet) foods in too large amounts because they'll give you the beetus and then eventually alzheimers
>can't have rice either for the same reason
>can't have bread either, same reason
>can't have potatoes either, same reason
>also gluten and leaky gut
>whole grains contain antinutrients, cause food allergies
>vegetables dont have enough caloric density unless you want to spend 6 hours a day eating lettuce
>fruit doesn't have enough caloric density either, and it's just sugar + fiber anyway
>green tea and other tea is full of aluminum
>calorically dense fish are the fatty fish
>fish are all factory farmed in China or contaminated with heavy metal
>you're not allowed to eat saturated fat either according to the benevolent AHA
>so no butter or dairy
>low-fat dairy is just sugar water, so none of that
>dairy also causes osteoporosis
>green leafy vegetables give you kidney stones
>eggs give you high cholesterol
>high protein diets kill your kidneys so no whey protein, greek yogurt

time to sip EVOO and work on becoming a breathatarian

>>15142898
They only organize those conventions to drink.

>>15149638
"The nutrition coalition" is a small group of industry lobbyists. They aren't any kind of authority. The article says they just wrote a letter to the USDA dietary guidelines committee. This happens every 5 years by every industry, it's not some massive shift in consensus among the world's scientists.
>Dr. Astrup has received research funding from Danish Dairy Foundation, Arla Foods Amba, and the European Milk Foundation; has received speaker honoraria for the Expert Symposium on the Dairy Matrix 2016 sponsored by the European Milk Foundation
>RMK has received grants and funding support from the National Institutes of Health; the US Food and Drug Administration; Dairy Management Inc; the National Cattleman's Beef Association; Robert and Veronica Atkins Foundation

>>15142449
EVOO is ideal for frying. The antioxidants protect the unsaturated fatty acids (don't confuse this benefit with the various myths of beneficial effects of antioxidant supplements). The flavor changes but that is not a problem.

Maybe just skip all the queefing you're all doing in this thread and moderate how much oil inn general is in your daily intake and get plenty exercise. Probably live to 100, but you all want to sit on 4chan queefing endlessly into the night.

The fuck do I know though.

>>15150542
Ask me how I know you're a vegan.

>>15151693
I dont go out of my way to add any extra fat or oil outside of cooking use but I'm not going to spend hours slicing out every little molecule of fat out of my weekly steak either

>>15150675
>don't confuse this benefit with the various myths of beneficial effects of antioxidant supplements
what?

>>15147403
Yes it has. And it wasn't science before.

>>15151707
Vegans must be anyone who's smarter than you and with a bigger dick

>>15152393
no.

>>15141911
Why are these assholes still so concerned with dietary fat, but you never hear anything about sugar?

>>15153108
> but you never hear anything about sugar?
You don't?
https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/sugar/cut-out-added-sugars-infographic

>>15153133
>added sugars
How does your body know if sugar was added or not?

That only leaves out motor oil and bicycle chain lubricant.

>>15153133
>SweetLeaf Stevia Sweetener is a national supporter of the American Heart Association’s Healthy for Good Movement.
Just another advertisement from an advertising agency masquerading as a health authority.

>>15153108
They speak out against both. You just chose one of these as a scapegoat because you're a lardass who would rather demonize one specific ingredient (sugar) than eat normal portions.

>>15142195
I don't believe anything these faggot organizations say about food after the food pyramid was taught in schools for decades.

>>15150542
Any big food organizations (plant or animal) are mostly interested in killing off small farms and consolidating them into ugly shitstain megafarms.

>>15150008
>tfw can't even be breatharian because it causes malnutrition and will eventually kill you quicker than any of the poisonous foods

>>15141939
basically a seed oil by what they're fed. use grass fed butter and beef tallow + ghee

>>15152393
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD011737.pub3/abstract

>We included 15 randomised controlled trials (RCTs) (16 comparisons, 56,675 participants), that used a variety of interventions from providing all food to advice on reducing saturated fat. The included long‐term trials suggested that reducing dietary saturated fat reduced the risk of combined cardiovascular events by 17% (risk ratio (RR) 0.83; 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.70 to 0.98, 12 trials, 53,758 participants of whom 8% had a cardiovascular event, I2 = 67%, GRADE moderate‐quality evidence). Meta‐regression suggested that greater reductions in saturated fat (reflected in greater reductions in serum cholesterol) resulted in greater reductions in risk of CVD events, explaining most heterogeneity between trials.

And that's just for heart disease. For cancer, it has been rigorously established that carcinogens accumulate up the food chain in fat stores. Hence the tight correlations between cancer and dietary animal fat intake.

>>15145683
you check inside the vagina for warts first unless you want to get sick you fucking virgin

>>15153236
Youre that guy who has to explain the joke in detail while everyone else looks at you with disappointment

>>15153666
explain how vegans are more at risk for cancer then.

>>15154013
They aren't. Vegans have the lowest cancer rates.

>>15154042
There's a confounding factor because vegans are more health conscious overall and probably eat higher quality food than gen pop

Here's a video on how canola oil is made. If you still ingest this shit you deserve whatever happens. The thumbnail should be enough to make you queazy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfk2IXlZdbI

>>15154174
>mechanically pressing out the oil
okay nothing bad yet
>washed with sodium hydroxide
lmao...

>>15144727
most olive oils are fucking rancid out of the bottle, so if you like the taste of plasticine that's good for you.

>>15144893
>suet
>cheap
maybe where you live, where I live it's more expensive than a slab of ground beef.

>>15153163
"ideal" normal portions to the AHA is having 0 saturated fat. no eggs, no chicken/pork/beef even if they were pasture raised, no dairy

>>15155047
Bad news

Why are there so many american organizations created by merchants who seek to push lies as the truth and ruin the lives of many people?
Saturated fats being bad is one of them.

>>15156663
That's not an American thing, that's a globally recognized fact

>>15156730
would you object to someone eating 1 piece of mackerel? it still has saturated fat

>>15156663
because money is evil

>>15141911

Seed and nut oils are now understood to be the worst you can eat, especially cooked.

>>15141911
>American Association says corn derivative is very good for you
hmmmmmmmmmmm

>>15154174
This whole video is a horror show.

>putting canola oil on a salad
>that attempt at cooking a steak
>sodium hydroxide wash
>bleach
>steam injection to remove "canola odor"

Just abominable in every way.

>>15156826
yeah, not even vegans would willingly look at corn oil over olive/avocado/sesame oil so you have to wonder

>>15154174
does anyone here sincerely, truly think any oil factory and company higher ups personally use canola oil in the food they eat

>>15156780
No, and if we're going down that road, all foods contain some amount of saturated fat. Even oatmeal has a minute amount of saturated fat. The guidelines are to control the amount you eat, usually with a limit between 5-10% of total calories.

>>15156851
controlling the amount by recommending corn oil on the bolded list instead of leaving it off and making olive, sesame, or avocado oil the most prominent items?

>>15142765
Smoke point doesn't matter. At high levels of heat olive oil is the least carcinogenic and has more omega 3 than 6 which is good inflammation wise.

>>15156855
Sure

>>15156869
doesnt seem to have the best intentions behind it then

>>15142923
A Number needed to treat is way too high. 54 people reduce saturated fat for only 1 person to be okay? You know that's ass right.

>>15156870
Or you're crazy

>>15156873
why? why would it be so hard for them to bold avocado, sesame, and olive oils at the top and simply not mention the likes of corn oil?

>>15156875
None of them are in bold. It's just a list of common cooking oils you can find virtually anywhere and that anyone can afford. This includes corn oil.

>>15156882
i can afford to buy krispy kreme donuts right now but that doesn't mean i should recommend those 10 donuts to anyone else. olive and sesame at least are not expensive, especially for the bit you need to use the frypan

>>15156885
Okay, it's a list of relatively healthy cooking oils that most people have access to. Olive oil is also listed and sesame and avocado oil are mentioned as healthful oils but with the caveat that they may be more rare or expensive, in which case the above oils will work. I don't understand what your objection is.

>>15156897
>relatively healthy
tell me right now you would choose to use a low tier gutter oil like canola oil in your own cooking over an 7-9$ 16 oz. bottle of olive. if someone can't afford that olive oil they have much bigger problems in their life

>>15156900
I prefer the taste of olive oil but canola oil might even be healthier. Why this upsets you, I do not know.

>>15156908
because it's very questionable why someone would go so far to simp for a bad list of questionable intentions, a list that's bad even by vegan standards.
if the sodium hydroxide got to your brain, oh well

>>15156919
Because it's not a bad list, you're just crazy and set in your ways

>>15156924
>Because it's not a bad list
lol
show this list to any vegan and even they would cringe a bit

>>15156926
>oh my god, SUNFLOWER oil?! SUNFLOWER?! are you trying to DIE??!

>>15156932
yeah, good of you to finally admit. the vegan would know that sunflower compared to olive or sesame would oxidize too rapidly in heat (or even on the shelf) and is much better off used as dressing if used at all

>>15156937
Do you often turn to vegans for diet advice?

>>15156944
no, but I assume they know at least that much.
have you ever seen a vegan willingly use corn oil?

>>15156945
You seem to hold vegans in very high esteem, to crave their approval like that

>>15141911
>literally PUFAs
wtf were they thinking? olive oil is based though

>>15156950
The only esteem I hold vegans higher than is AHA simping fools who hold an organization like that to trash, gutter, zero standards. So in that regard they are a full tier higher than you even if they're lower than everyone else

>>15141911

>>15156954
I don't know, I think you want to FUCK a vegan

>>15156963
Is that the best you can come back with? If YOU want to fuck a vegan you have to at least be funnier than that

>>15156958
The pufa ratio theory isn't well accepted. It came from a diet book in the 80s and spread mostly through food bloggers.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/no-need-to-avoid-healthy-omega-6-fats

>>15156897
You do know that having a chip on your shoulder about saturated fat doesn't mean that you have to act like the AHA's battered wife as well, right? They can get things wrong too or be guilty of being lazy, regardless of the status of saturated fat as a whole

>>15156969
from your link:
>Most Americans eat more omega-6 fats than omega-3 fats, on average about 10 times more. A low intake of omega-3 fats is not good for cardiovascular health, so bringing the two into better balance is a good idea. But don't do this by cutting back on healthy omega-6 fats. Instead, add some extra omega-3s.
sounds like the article is acknowledging that too much o6 / o3 unbalance is bad, but coping because they oversold too much vegetable oils. and their solution is... just eat MORE fat in addition to all the fat that you already eat, lmao, that's going to work great for the average american

>>15156992
And the main reliable, easily bioavailable, easily accessible everywhere source for some omega 3 is fatty fish, especially long shelf life preserved fish like canned sardines or canned salmon (but more expensive than sardines). Being recommended to intake a larger amount of fatty fish will inevitably increase intake of saturated fat

>>15156871
pretty sure that was his point

>>15141911
>aha
They are a lobby group, their opinions need not be considered

>>15158073
thanks for bumping all these dead threads retard

>>15156992
It's saying that omega-3s are good for you too, so eat both. The ratio itself isn't such a problem for its own sake

>>15157073
Is there any health authority you trust or are you of the opinion that scientific matters are best decided by your own intuition?

>>15158658
>battered wife syndrome

>>15158658
Joe Rogan

>>15142019
Eastern Europoor use lard if they can find it, otherwise we live exclusively on sunflower oil. Deep frying and stuff like that is not common. We use for salads, and oil the pan so shit won't stick to it when we cook it.

>>15141911
Butter, Lard, Peanut Oil and Crisco Shortening for Baking.