/ck/ - Food & Cooking

The only job that doesn't involve paying the government for the priviledge is one new enough they haven't gotten around to charging for it.

>>15129800
yes do it illegally. okay cheers

>>15129800
yeah what you said pretty much applies here where I live too, It's "to protect the public" because, presumably, a commercial kitchen is easier to keep clean with the codes in place that dictate what sort of surfaces you can use. I wanted to sell lunches to go for kids or people who work and can't figure out how to do it legally out of my own kitchen.

>>15129800
Not sure what the law says and it likely varies a lot from country to country but laws regarding food are pretty strict (pretty when comparing it with laws regarding pharmaceuticals which basically is why supplements of varying degrees of validity is being sold because in most countries they are put under food and therefor only has to adhere to those standards as well as prison not being on the table for anything that has to do with food so control is a bit lax in most places) and that for good reasons basically in a nutshell hygiene and traceability reasons.

I could be wrong but it's what I could think of right away, there's a big difference between eating something yourself and putting it out for sale when it comes to food.

>>15129831
yeah health and safety is the excuse they use but it's a big jew scam, I'm in the US for the record. Texas of all places and we aren't even free to sell bbq or something from our own homes

>>15129866
For a lot of things you simply have to be in a commercial realestate, really nothing out of the ordinary with it and I think you are underestimating the rigorous amount of daily cleaning that goes into a place that prepare food products all day

real and gay

>>15129800
>my kitchen is safe enough for my family.
But you can't be sure about kitchens of other people. Commercial kitchens are registered and easier to control by government health service of your country.

>>15129894
It's a scam to create a barrier of entry, just like liquor licenses---that's an even better example, the idea that I can't set up a bar in my garage and sell drinks is absolutely stupid, it's a way for Government to restrict the number of bars, and it also helps the commercial-size bars to make a much tidier profit. It's also easier for Government to track and tax people if they have to register, rather than being able to do something of common right.

Government is a monotheistic (jewish) scam that posits the idea of some central authority that has the right and duty to coerce others into obeying itself. Sounds a lot like the Jew God, no? Not that this isn't a theme in many primitive cultures, but that's what it is, a primitive view uninformed by ethics---it's one thing to coerce people who have done something wrong, it's another to do preventative coercion, which is fairly analagous to aggressive warfare, e.g. warfare not in self-defense.

There's absolutely no reason someone can't make a big pot of stew at home and sell it for $5 a bowl or something other than that Government wants to increase the barrier to entry---there's absolutely no evidence that this would lead to unsafe soup.

>>15129906
It's probably easier for someone to up and leave a commercial premise than a home one, if you're selling food out of your home, what, you're going to move so someone cannot find you to serve process? In most cities there are commercial kitchens that you could rent to, for example, produce sausages or other products and sell them at farmer's markets. Way more difficult to track people down who sell at farmer's markets than out of their own homes.

>>15129906
The whole idea that you have to register with government to make a living (license, taxation, etc.) or you have to register with them to get the dole if you refuse to register to work is disgusting---it's an anachronism from a primitive era of human existence. Unfortunately, it is one that is very profitable for regulators and for the businesses who can meet the barriers to entry. It's an unholy alliance of people who can afford the barrier to entry, who support the system because it keeps out competition, and the people who get to have cushy government jobs "regulating." The industry. Food inspection of restaurants is all complaint based, they don't do random spot checks, often times the registration is simply serving a plan on the health authority, if that. IF you think this system prevents problems, just go look at the local health dept. website, they usually list inspection reports.

>>15129910
based and freedompilled

>>15129931
I also had a jew law professors whose parents ran a restaurant, and he told stories about how they'd re-use salad that people hadn't eaten, etc. because it was necessary to "make a payroll." lol. And there's absolutely no way that any inspector could see that, it's the sort of thing that there's no way to inspect for.

Local trust is much better than relying on permits that can be easily gamed.

Another example that is fairly typical is that restaurants are found to have rodents or other pests. Most people who live in their own homes tend to deal with pest infestation, it's not the sort of thing that they let fester.

>>15129943
Plus I can look up any restaurant in my region on a website. I like Indian food, and the two restaurants I go to are "non-compliant" and have evidence of rodent infestation. These reports were both made nearly a year ago, it's not like they find a problem like that and they just shut it down. It's a system of regulatory theater that keeps barriers to entry up and the bureaucrats employed.

>>15129943
so if I sell some shit from home like say the $5 stew example the guy above gave, what kind of penalties or bullshit problems can I potentially run into?

>>15129962
All health regulation stuff works on a complaint basis, there are not people who are going to come pro-actively looking for people doing this. There are plenty of underground restaurants, tho those will tend to be private things with high-class ingredients run out of people's homes---if no one complains, the government will never know.

If you start a $5 stew haus and your neighbors complain, most places this is not a criminal matter, it is a matter of a fine, and often (tho not always) the first step would be asking you to shut down rather than giving you a fine, and if you didn't comply, then fining you.

It's not like unlicensed distilling where you can go to jail, at least not most places.

>>15129962
Doing an "underground restaurant" if you can get word of mouth, doing dinner parties of 10-15 for some decent amount per head (10 people at $50 per head is $500, depending on your food costs and if you can do it all yourself, not bad for a night's work) is probably a better idea than selling $5 stew, I just used that as an example.

>>15129910
Totally based

>>15129921
I knew a guy who worked for health authority doing inspections and he told me he told the chinese restaraunt that they can’t use chicken feet for making stock
He’s a Gaylord

>>15129910
>right and duty to coerce others into obeying itself. Sounds a lot like the Jew God, no?

I have never had a Jew knock on my door asking me to convert to Judaism. In fact besides Christians, no religion ever has.

>>15130026
That is the stupidest thing I ever did hear.

>>15129999
>If you start a $5 stew haus and your neighbors complain, most places this is not a criminal matter, it is a matter of a fine, and often (tho not always) the first step would be asking you to shut down rather than giving you a fine, and if you didn't comply, then fining you.
checked and good to know

>>15129800
People everywhere are waking up to this reality. The 20th century bureaucratic state is on its last legs, cracking down because it feels its power slipping away, like European monarchs in the late 18th century.

>>15130089
Yep. We have a 19th century regulatory model for the 20th century. In Canada it is really bad, even things that are commonplace in USA/Europe like Raw Milk, our feudal overlords prohibit. You also cannot buy a rare hamburger, even if the restaurant were to grind the meat on the spot, nope, not allowed.

>>15130094
I think the raw milk thing is that lots of milk producers don't have the capacity to pasteurize the milk, they ship it to a larger facility that does that, so if raw milk were legal, the (((shareholders))) would lose out because small dairies could sell their own milk.

>>15129910
Don't know how it is in your country but where I live you either need to have a registered company at a location that is fit for purpose and you need to have something to cook hot food on which you also need to serve on request to get to sell alcohol and I guess you could have a private memberbased thing that isn't open to the public as well.

Yes I understand that it is a higher barrier of entry that also prevents a lot of people to ever open their own business and that it has a whole lot to do with taxes as well but when it comes to cleanliness I think it could be hard to keep a regular home up to snuff not impossible but hard.

I mean as long as you keep everything up to standard all the way to keeping the "coolchain", hygiene controls, regular microbe testing and so on up to snuff then I guess it could very well be possible I just don't want to think of the nightmare of the daily cleaning but if you removed all wooden surfaces from your kitchen, made sure you have nothing in contact with the floor other than legs of counters or whatever, no cloths or fabrics anywhere also no paper except paper towel dispenser and they would have to go directly in a trash bin in the vicinity after using also industrial grade and enzyme cleaners on all surfaces including inside your oven and drains then you are on a good start to actually be keeping withing the standards.

A lot that has to do with meat is about maximum threshold of bacteria while some is a big no-no if they are ever discovered and others not being a problem as long as there aren't too much the thing is that these bacteria just keeps on incubating so yes the risk is that you would have unacceptably high levels for sale when you are starting to prepare your food depending on which product you bought, how and from where.

>>15129800
i would unironically kill for access to that kitchen and it's equipment

>>15129921
What O.o

Your country only inspects restaurants per complaints and not regularly, am I ever happy I don't eat at restaurants often at the moment.

In order to get shut down you would likely need to have some really outrageous problems and don't fix them despite kmowing you're getting a follow up.

>>15129800
I see beaners selling tamales on FB marketplace all the time. I guarantee they dont have a commercial kitchen.

>>15129943
Local trust?

So the neighbourhood sociopath is the be all end all measure of quality no just no that sounds like a horrible idea having a system purely based of the whims of a mob seeing as one or a couple of vindictive faggots or just a bunch of organized people without morals could either end something good or prop up something shitty, having something in between is unironically not a bad thing as a firewall of sorts that isn't purely run on emotion and potential feuds

>>15129962
Let's just say the government don't take kindly to being snuffed on potential taxes do with that you will

>>15129999
In most countries anything regarding food is a matter fines at least in Europe if the laws haven't changed recently

>>15130097
Doesn't raw milk mean that it isn't pasteurized though?

Be part of the guild or else

>>15130280
wut?

>>15129910
dawg, this is /ck/...

>>15130280
The membership only costs as much as a small house! It's totally legit, not just a way to ensure lack of competition!

>>15130216
>when it comes to cleanliness I think it could be hard to keep a regular home up to snuff not impossible but hard.

This ignores the common sense proposition that most people manage their kitchens and don't create food-borne illnesses for themselves. No one in my family has ever had food poisoning. Bureaucracies create requirements that are often divorced from reality---the Canadian prohibition on raw milk is an example. When it goes to court, you will get someone who read in a textbook that "raw milk is dangerous" trotted out by Government to justify the prohibition, even tho raw milk is sold plenty of places. Same thing for how in Canada you cannot buy a rare hamburger, plenty of restaurants sell med. rare hamburgers. Or a caesar salad dressing prepared with raw eggs.

Governments do this all over the place. A guy up the street recently decided to make his basement a "legal suite." He ended up having to replace the plumbing throughout the entire house, install a fire suppression system, etc. etc. Why? Well, that's a good question---it's not like the house was considered unfit for occupancy by himself, just that, for some reason, if he wanted a "legal secondary suite," the city decided to increase his costs by tens of thousands of dollars.

The bootlicker thinks all of this is well thought out and justified by some set of reasons. It's not. It's just a way for Government to employ people and to dominate.

>>15129800
Just keep it small and don't scale it.
No one if going to fiscalize or tax you for selling a couple of meals a day.

>>15130235
>beaners selling tamales
If you have nothing, you have nothing to lose.

As you a clearly a white male citizen landowner in suburban America, you have something to lose, and Them will see that you do, if provoked.

So let me get this straight, you live in a country and vote for nazi retards to rule you and tell you what to do and you don't like that the nazi retards tell you what to do but you keep voting for them anyway. Anyway take your meds schizo how dare you insult our democracy

>>15131663
>muh common sense
Ok george carlin, have fun poisoning people.

I had a roommate in college who routinely left shit out overnight, when it was pointed out that this was a bad idea she said she grew up doing it because her parents did it all the time. When pressed she admitted she was used to having mild gastro symptoms several times a year and she just thought it was normal and everyone had that problem.

So, no, fuck your common sense, because you obviously lack it.

>>15129910
You forgot to take these today

>>15131663
>having hygiene standards (maximum allowed treshold of certain pathogens) on meat being sold making sure people don't get sick and giving less room to morally bankrupt cheaters is somehow oppressive

>>15129800
This kitchen is beautiful.

>>15129800
>my kitchen is safe enough
you obviously don't have the temperament for this venture.

>Fastfood/street food
Needs to survive inspection and scrutiny.
So long you can bleach all the surfaces if you wanted to, you are good to go.
Nothing is stopping you from using your own kitchen, except that others might borrow it and then leave a mess.

>Packaged food
Whatever
Only problems are liability, which doesn't exist if its food that uses tried and proven preservation techniques.

>Commercial kitchen
Doesn't exist
Its a fantasy.
That or USA is third world.
What can exist is that your enterprise has survived inspections, so there is a paper trail.

>>15131720
That's not something I do, so why should I be made to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars that act, effectively as a circuitous barrier to entry to keep people like your "college roommate" out of business? I am presumed to be as incompetent as she is unless I can afford a few hundred thousand dollars?

No idea but I've seen girls on Instagram baking the easiest stuff like brownies and cupcakes and selling them in boxes and they make them in their houses.

>>15131832
>hundreds of thousands of dollars for a food handler's license that any retard can get as long as they can remember things that only an idiot should need to be taught
This is what libertarians ACTUALLY believe

>>15132048
Retard

>>15129910
>all monotheism is Jewish
Come here, you LARPagan assburger, I'll beat you with the collected writings of the Greeks.

>>15132042
There is usually an exemption for baking, products with certain pH/water content, but there's no good evidence that these limits are required, they were mostly instituted in the dark ages. It's like distillation. There is modern, commodity equipment that is very safe, and tons of people distill at home, but it is still technically illegal in many places. Any time you have an entrenched bureaucracy making money enforcing a law, you almost never see them give it up and you always see pseudoscientific "experts" explaining why the regulation is required. We're not talking plutonium here, we're talking about making soup and selling it from your house.

Soup is very cheap to make, and it is not hard to make decent soup. Producing a big cauldron of soup a day would be very easy. Heck, even doing it on a burner on the street, the investment would be a few thousand dollars. But most places won't let you do that, they want you in a "food truck" which raises the barrier to entry to a couple hundred grand, etc. etc.

The idea that you have to pay for your right to make a living in customary ways, e.g. feeding people, is ridiculous. Being a nuclear waste disposer? Sure, regulate that. Cooking for people is not nuclear waste.

>>15132154
The problem with monotheism is not uniquely Jewish, but in Judaism you find the best and most virulent expression of monotheism: a "special people" who feel governed by a "special law" that was delivered to them by their "special leader."

>>15132154
Are you trying to pose that the Greek was monotheistic from the start? If I never knew what concentrated crazy looks like know I do.

>>15132824
But instead we have "experts" like you which I wouldn't even want to credit as pseudoscientifical that seriously and with a straight face try to make the case that everything regarding hygiene doesn't matter, the amount of pathogens on meat is somehow of no importance (because you better be real fucking sure that your meat WILL have a bunch of different pathogens in varying numbers which will keep growing exponentially), it's all the same if you yourself decide to eat something or if you are selling something for another person to eat I mean why didn't the food industry think of this so they could fire countless people save untold billions and sell you utter crap which you in turn go around poison people with because you handle it even worse than they would in this ficticous scenario later in the chain.
I mean lets all forget about medieval Europe everybody everything will work out great this time around, numbnut!

Actually I wish we were because I wager most hobbyist that would be playing around with radioactive substances would end up giving themself radiation poisoning (and even in the case of actual experts and not "experts" that are used for arguments sake as in the Curies) which would just end their life prematurely and thus lowering the potential damage they could have on other people whereas with a soup you could concievably masspoison people either on purpose or by mistake and in that case who would even be liable seeing as you are likely saying you wouldn't start any type of company and instead just act as a private person.

Not saying that you can never eat a soup prepared by anyone else if you feel like it I am just saying exactly what I'm saying.

Going from cooking to nuclear waste isn't a fair comparison, let's compare with the people selling you the food you use in your soup....

>>15133090
....and the people selling that to the store, people selling that to the distributors and so on.

Would you really prefer that being totally unregulated with no hygiene standards at all, no traceability (meaning everytime there's an outbreak of whatever pathogen which happens from time to time nothing can be recalled because noone knows what is in anything so people just have to die or get sick instead) and no accountability and I mean why buy you ingredients from the store or the farmer when you can by it from Mr.Shady in that van next to your makeshift soupkitchen who just came back from the countryside with a freshly stolen and butchered calf that may or may not have serious illnesses that are transferable to humans that may or may not have been in a hot car for 72hours

Not sure if you are serious or if you have already stuffed yourself full with prions your whole life, if you want to give soup away then sure by all means go ahead the problem is when you are saying you would start selling it as a business which by default means that all regulations that are in the food industry apply (I understand that someone may have reservations about some things yes but overall they work to lower the amount of cheating and increase the overall quality and safety on the food that is in the end being consumed by the public) which makes it a whole different ball game and for good reason

>>15133152
I don't think that I talked about removing regulation of the supply chain, just that restaurants and bars are over-regulated, especially bars.

Hygiene matters, but the premise that people have bad hygiene unless government is watching over them, I don't see any support for that. Plus, like the jew I knew whose family owned a restaurant, who would re-serve salad that people hadn't touched, there's no way to regulate against that unless the staff snitches. So ultimately, reputation is more important than regulation.

I mean, you could even make the regulation such that you have to own the house to serve food out of it, can't be a renter---the idea that someone is competent to maintain a household but not cook and serve food, I just don't see it.

Plus, you're not addressing the biggest issue, that starting a food truck/restaurant/etc. is a six figure buy-in, at least. This is something that basically nobody can do unless they own a home, inherit money, or have a good career that they leave, after saving for a dozen years.

I mean, even leaving food aside, why shouldn't I be able to sell drinks to people in my garage?

>>15133223
>Plus, you're not addressing the biggest issue, that starting a food truck/restaurant/etc. is a six figure buy-in, at least. This is something that basically nobody can do unless they own a home, inherit money, or have a good career that they leave, after saving for a dozen years.
This is my problem with it, can’t even test out the market have to literally go all in and pray your assumptions about what will sell are correct

>>15133295
It sucks because cooking is one of the few things you can teach yourself with equipment that you already have and where costs are not that high---"learning to be a carpenter" requires outlay for tools, wood is expensive, etc. Cooking is something that should be simple to get into, but it isn't. Even catering they require you to cook in a "commercial kitchen" in many places, all you can make without one is brownies, hot sauce, jam, etc.

>>15133090
>>15133152

You are such a jewish little coward

>>15133223
But why would those poor souls need to use their money, time and resources to pour into hygiene related things only to ensure that you will get safe and high quality products only for you to throw it all away at your own discretion because apparently you think you are better than everybody else in the coldchain and you can just break your link thinking that the whole chain doesn't collapse when the weakest link goes all megalomaniacal.

You could just use good old billy in the van that just finished butchering the funny looking pig he stole the other day, he is just like you I mean why would he have to sink untold millions into building something up to code, hiring competent people, regular testing for potential pathogens and checking levels, training new people and so on when all that nonsense is just to keep him down, he eats it and haven't died or become seriously ill yet that you know of so why wouldn't you.

Really don't see what anyones ethnicity has to do with treating their customers like crap and no it doesn't because if they somehow have a good reputation despite doing things like that then they obviously never deserved it in the first place and it just shows how flawed that is and how it can be easily gamed (talking about "gamed" ever heard about things like reviewbombing, SEO and astroturfing which clearly points out how flawed such a premise is and how easily it can be gamed with very little effort) not to mention that restaurants pretty much are the weakest link in the chain but with saying that the majority are of course doing an excellent job and take pride in what they do and in doing a good job there just are a shitload out there and unscroupolus morally bankrupt people will unfortunately likely always exist

Don't think any country would have laws in place that prohibits you from giving your guests alcohol why would it and also why would you charge people you call friends that you invited over to your garage

>>15133295
I understand how you think but would you want little Sean go to universities testing the markets with his homemade "ADHD medication" before going all in pouring billions into getting through all the hoops and I mean any day now he will take the plunge he's only been selling for 32years and blown up 17trailers

>>15133325
If we are talking regulations then all the nonsensical bullshit and artificial hurdles in the "crafts" are beyond all rime and reason but thats a whole other story, not being allowed to build what you want on your own property where you are supposed to live is well strange especially since you are the only one you are putting to potential danger you aren't risking mass poisoning people as with food

Also tools = commercial kitchen and a place to be
Wood = meat and other ingredients which in turn need to be handled correctly and chilled

>>15133343
You obviously just have no retort seeing as you just decide to simply try and attack my person for whatever reason so why not just go to bed and let the grown ups talk

>>15133355
We're talking about the "last link," not people selling uncooked meat.

And we can extend the discussion to things like renting out rooms for the night, week, etc. which is also regulated and often prohibited, or requires a license, etc. It's how the bureaucrats get us to pay for their families.

>>15133453
In a chain it doesn't matter which link is faulty the whole chain goes to shit either way and if I can't trust that it have been handled properly according to set hygiene standards then how can I trust that it has been cooked properly which also is a part of this whole hygiene thing when it comes to kill pathogens

Then simply don't charge for it and I don't really see the issue you are having

Lol I bought a trailer, a fryer, a flat top, and a few coolers, not the kind you see in a restaurant, but the igloo ice boxes you'd use for a fishing trip. I go around to construction sites, and I hang outside of bars at closing time, and I make so much with so little overhead, that when I do get fined, it's just a drop in the bucket for me. If you want to do it, just do it, no one really follows the rules when it's easier to just pay a fine.

>>15129800
report all facebook cake hoes for trademark infringement when they inevitably make children's birthday cakes with licensed characters.
>my kitchen is safe enough for my family
guess what bitch part of the reason you have to use a commercial kitchen space is so they can gatekeep you until you're servsafe certified. you don't want some cat hoarding bitch cranking out food from a kitchen that is "up to her standards".

>>15129962
heavy fines, and then additional penalties for road wear in your neighborhood if you're having customers come pick up from your residence.

>>15130032
>I have never had a Jew knock on my door asking me to convert to Judaism. In fact besides Christians, no religion ever has.
This may be shocking but Christians are Jews.

>>15129800
I don't get it. How is it not possible for a normal guy to get his kitchen checked and licensed just like in a restaurant?
How is it possible that fucking chinese restaurants exist and operate, while a normal joe cannot produce food from his kitchen?

>>15133956
no, followers of the lord are not jews

>>15133569
Kino, any pics of your setup?

>>15134083
Lease this space to cook or else, goy

>>15134180
Christians are basically jews. Jesus was a jew, so they follow a jew.

>>15134243
So you can't sleep at the same place where you sell your food or at the very least not really adjacent to the kitchen itself and what's the issue with that, do you think everyone that works sleep in their office?