/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>15011076
in it's essence it's not bad, just bad cooks try to make it and give it a bad name.

>>15011076
Brit food is good comfort food.

>>15011076
>people reserve it for special occasion
Who does this...?

>>15011084
>Christmas
>Thanksgiving
>New year
>Easter
Americans a lot of other commonwealth countries have a roast.

>>15011084
Most traditional holiday meals in the US look like an English Sunday roast

>>15011076
>why do people reserve it for special occasions?
huh?
are you implying that brits invented roast beef? God, brits are fucking retarded pretentious cunts

>>15011076
Bad illustration photo. The meat is still pink inside, british is grey.
>>15011084
No one.

>>15011094
Not simplifying just roasting beef but having it with a certain combination of other things cooked in a certain way. You have to be dumb to think that's coincidence and not culture.

>>15011076
Because contrarians want to be different. Brit food is fucking awful and always will be. Until you actually admit this I cannot take any European or chef who likes it seriously. It's rancid, it's vile, it is barely food.

>>15011096
What color should beef be if not pink in the middle?

>>15011108
>simplifying
simplify* autocorrect

>>15011080
It is though. Stop gaslighting people and learn to cook.
>>15011081
>comfort food
Super retarded comment. Everything is comfort food to someone.

>>15011114
>simplify
simply* double retard

>>15011094
Agreed.

>>15011108
It's common everywhere, the brits just do it terrible.
>>15011113
If we're talking about british cuisine, beef should be cooked until grey. No wonder british cuisine is so widely regarded as disgusting.

>>15011091
Lol so Brits invented roasting and it is a quintessentially British gastronomic technique, gotcha.

>>15011128
Stupid. And wrong.

>>15011128
Focusing too much on the word roast here. A british-style roast typically has certain select vegetables that are often seasoned a certain way. Also usually served with yorkshire pudding and gravy. You think it's a coincidence that commonwealth countries eat that particular meal but not China or Russia?

>>15011076
Can we stop having these stupid threads please? If it was the 1960s then i would agree with you, but due to immigration we have British food that is asian, greek, italian, middle eastern. Even if we didn't there's nothing wrong with a good roast. I'm greek and i enjoy a good roast. Just got to make sure you get good ingredients and cook them properly.

>>15011153
Amerifat here. I have only eaten British style puddings in Britain and at specifically Euro themed restaurants. American Christmas and Thanksgiving feasts aren't really like what you described either, because most of the side dishes contain new world ingredients like corn. Unless you want to claim foods as universal as yeast rolls or mashed potatoes this theory doesn't hold water.

>>15011108
Everysingle european countries have roast beef, take your head out of your ass

>>15011153
>A british-style roast typically has certain select vegetables that are often seasoned a certain way. Also usually served with yorkshire pudding and gravy.

Yes:

>Meat roasted until grey
>Seasoned with pretty much nothing except salt and pepper
>Bland gravy
>Boiled overcooked vegetables
>Yorkshire pudding

This is how the british serves roast meat, and it's unique for their culture in how terrible it is.

>Brits totally invented putting beef in the oven guys
omg such cuisine

>>15011215
you're describing a bad British roast.... literally never been served like that at my family's tables or at a reputable restaurant

>>15011205
>if I add a novel topping to a pizza it erases its historical origin
>pasta and tomatoes didn't originate in Italy and is used in other things so bolognese isn't italian
Nice logic.
>>15011209
Like I said to someone else, you're fixating on the word roast. It's not about roast meat alone. There's a selection of other things too.

>>15011222
Well the british think that overcooked vegetables are correctly cooked, and that bland food isn't bland.

Reputable restaurants have french influence and use their techniques to make a decent roast.

>>15011115
>Super retarded comment. Everything is comfort food to someone.
Try explaining that to an anorexic or bulimic.

>>15011263
Being this dumb.

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>>15011446
stop... that's embarassing

>>15011453
>NOOO STOP PROVING ME WRONG! LET ME GASLIGHT YOU WITHOUT RESISTANCE!
Pathetic.

>>15011312
>I have no arguments so I have to resort to calling you dumb
>>15011429
yuck

>>15011548
seethe

>>15011521
You proved me right lmao, funny you don't even realize that britboi

>>15011548
What is French about sticking some meat and potatoes in the oven?

>>15011588
Why do you even mention the french you obsessed british retard?

>>15011588
>I missed the point
The point is that traditional british roast is terrible. If you apply french techniques to the base ingredients, it can become good, but then it can't really be called british cuisine.

>>15011631
you've yet to substantiate this with any mention of what French techniques are used in a good British roast.

>>15011626
Read the thread you illiterate twat. Thick as shit.

>>15011076

Lads and Ladettes - A Greggs opened 150 meters from me. What should i get as a starter to remove my Gregginty, everyone at work tells me to go for the Sausage, Bean and Cheese Melt, are they right?

>>15011631
So roasting meat and potatoes in an oven isn't French. Is that what you're saying?
>french techniques to the base ingredients
How do I peel a potato the French way? How do I kill, gut and pluck a chicken the French way? Is there a French way to place things in the oven to roast?

>brits YET AGAIN trying to claim American achivements as their own

Can anybody explain to me what yorkshire pudding is and why it's called "pudding"? In america, "Pudding" is what bill cosby sold us in either chocolate or vanilla. What they call a "yorkshire pudding" looks like a croissant with brown gravy poured on top. Am I right?

ok so on /int/ brits have a massive inferiority complex towards Amis, but here on /ck/ you're OBSESSED with the frenchies, our european brothers :)

>>15011124
retard

>>15011076
>If Brit food is so bad
It's not. All countries have bad food. Brit food is a mixed bag.

>>15011076
The food tends to be simple. Without great execution, it can't be great, but when it's done well, it's pretty god damned good.

>>15011644
>you've yet to substantiate this with any mention of what French techniques are used in a good British roast.
>good British roast.
Practically none, a good British roast doesn't really exist. These are the characteristics of a british roast: >>15011215

But let's say we are going to make something good around the same base ingredients. We can:

Roasting the roast with butter, garlic and herbs is obvious, and cooking it au point instead of grey (between medium and medium rare in UK or medium rare to slightly rare USA) is a good start.

For sauces, look into for example demi-glace for how it can be done.

Instead of boiling the vegetables to death, one can make for example vichy-carrots.

Look into french potato dishes to see what can be done here.

Personally I like to eat yorkshire pudding at rare occasions, but it's more of a guilty pleasure, and can be safely dropped.

Not going to write a treatise here. You can read Escoffier, on how he collected and systematized the techniques of french cuisine. His work have had tremendous influence. By applying his and other great french chefs work into the ingredients of a british roast, it's no wonder the end result will be good.

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>>15011446

Those are well executed, but bad dishes, exactly why people are saying.
You must be a brit

>>15011076
Cool it with the porky pies about pork pies, luv. That's some lush nosh innit.

>>15011076
suck my knob desu

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>>15011796
Dumbass, this was already a Redd/int/ thread from the beginning.

>>15011800
what kind of shameful flag do you have?

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>>15011263
wrong

>>15011571
you are either a seething frog or a self hating Californian urbanite

>>15011076
Roast dinners are glory but that looks like a pub lunch which is dogfood tier

>>15012329
What's wrong?

>>15012341
>medrare rosbif
>two veg
>yorkies and what looks like some take on fondant potatoes
>tub of gravy
>sprig of WHY IS THIS HERE!?

You drink at way fancier pubs than I do.

>28 posters/ 67 replies
It's the stop gaslighting british cuisine autist, isn't it?

>>15012369
>what looks like some take on fondant
>You drink at way fancier pubs than I do

Since you can't even identify a roast potato I imagine anywhere I visit is fancier

>>15012409
You don't know what a fondant potato is...
I take it back.

In order to get a particular texture, you par-fry (or roast) with plenty of butter/oil/fat, and braise the rest of the way in an ideally allium and herb heavy liquid. If you finish that braising with a second fry/dry roast, you wind up with something between a french fry, a roasted potato, and fried-mash that looks a lot like what's on that plate - soft yet crispy. It's no longer a proper pomme(s)-fondant, but it's somehow better.

>>15012428
That potato they've made there has been par-boiled, tossed in a colander or sieve to toughen up the edges and increase the surface area, coated in oil and then roasted.

Call yourself a Brit.

>>15012438
I would if I were, but I'm not, so I won't.

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>>15011465
>Heavy Halitosis

>>15011714
What happened to you to make you such a fag?

>>15012447
Someone please get me the sauce on this babe immediately, I must track down my soulmate post-haste

>>15012366
well first of all brits don't think overcooked vegetables are correctly cooked. I've been enjoying a weekly roast cooked by my very dear mothing my entire life and she almost always cooks them perfectly.

Secondly to dismiss English food by saying "any example of properly prepared English food is a result of French influence" is basically silly 2bh. The techniques themselves are as old as dirt, but the French were the first to formalise them to the standard of modern cuisine. You would have to write off most European restaurants, as well as a great deal of the restaurants of the world if "French technical influence" is your bar.

>>15012487
I second this.

"French influence" is just adding more butter than is necessary

>>15012489
yeah... cooking. Is butter not a spice where you come from?

>>15012487
>very dear mothing
meant to say mother

>>15012513
I like mothing better

>>15012487
>mothing

>>15012487
cope seethe dilate
sage

>>15012524
get fucked

>>15012487
>well first of all brits don't think overcooked vegetables are correctly cooked.
Brits are notorious for overcooking vegetables, but for them, that is correct.
>Secondly to dismiss English food by saying "any example of properly prepared English food is a result of French influence" is basically silly 2bh.
Properly prepared English food have little to none french influence, what we can call traditional English food.
>The techniques themselves are as old as dirt, but the French were the first to formalise them to the standard of modern cuisine.
Indeed the techniques are old, and many were known outside French. But France had and has the greatest variety, and the most advanced ones, and combined them and developed something even more out of it, than anywhere in the western world. It's not like someone could take regional cuisines of England and London and produce what Escoffier did using that as base.
>You would have to write off most European restaurants, as well as a great deal of the restaurants of the world if "French technical influence" is your bar.
Pointing out that most great restaurants are heavily influenced by french cuisine, is not writing them off. They have done great things by applying french techniques to national ingredients. But these restaurants are not traditional national cuisine.
>>15012489
You're ignorant.

>>15012458
He had sex with your mom and it was so bad he turned gay and now watches gachi videos daily.

>>15011809
mmm a nice succulent roast he would make

he does not do a lot of walking(towards me) I hope, want a nice tender meat

how tall is this fine specimen I am in awe at the size of him

>>15011115
>muh gaslight
Was your other thread complaining about "British food gaslighting" not enough stimulation so you had to make a second before the first expired?

>first gen immigrant from Pakistan
>arrived as a kid
>grew up eating Pakistani food at home
>started making my own food at 13
>realised I preferred British cooking: steaks, roasted veg, gravy etc
>not a huge fan of one pot, oily curries that mum makes (still demolish a korma tho)
>white friends at uni love South Asian cuisine and keep asking me how to make a great daal or what do I think of their naan recipe
>mfw I don't know the first thing about daal
>keep asking me what Pakistani restaurant they should go to because they've tried all the local Indian ones
>join a sports team
>mfw every wednesday is fucking curry night with the lads and people asking me about lassi
>mfw all I want is a fucking roast dinner and a pint

>>15011446
imagine the level of inebriation that was required for someone to come up with this

>>15013651
never happened, cope on bong

>>15011076
That looks delicious, but I like peas and carrots and jennay

come to the midlands and get a cheese and tomato oatcake

>>15011076
"People"

There are great & redeemable dishes. But there is a degree of monotony that can't be ignored. The number of people who justify multiculturalism purely on food is telling. British people literally thought garlic was objectionable & foreign not long ago.

>>15011093
mine is a french roast thanks

>>15011153
I don't know anyone in america who has ever made yorkshire pudding. dutch babies yeah but not that stuff

>>15011076
Tradition

>>15011305
ima bulimic and i if anything eat and reeat comfort food in my sad hedonistic rituals

>>15013651
Go back.

People are jealous that the brits have good food and confused how they can eat rump roast with such bad teeth

>>15011654
vegan sausage roll

>>15014901
pathetic imitation of french food

>>15014963
that's because of how much you seethe over the french, i guess the conquering they did in 1066 really digs deep,

>>15011239
>it's not just about roast
>but the side dishes don't matter either
lol retard

>>15015063
Mad that the Pakis appreciate your culture's shitty third-rate food more than you do?

>>15011091
I'm American and we don't eat any of that Britbong shit for any of those meals. The only thing in common is each of those meals has a large slow-cooked meat as the centerpiece (Turkey, Ham, or Pork Roast).

>>15013679
pajeets don't drink

>>15015183
this, once again the dying thirdies of NW europe, the english, DESPERATE to claim american traditions/achievements as their own

>>15015121
1) we have the lowest number of dental cavities per person in the OECD
2) not sure about other people but we usually eat fillet or rib

>>15015183
Untrue. My grandmother made Sunday roast beef with mashed potatoes, gravy, and Yorkshire pudding. Who the fuck puts individual gravy boats on each plate though?

>>15011076
>people
You mean Brits? Brits eating British food... who would've thought?

British just chug in random ingredients without much thought or effort. Their native dishes tend to be quite boring and not really distinct. Most of Europe roasts meat and sometimes vegetables like potatoes. Their chefs are some of the worst in the world. Even their star chefs embarass themselves when trying to cook anything but very specific dishes taught by French chefs. Like MPW putting a fucking stock cube to boil pasta. Him claiming you need to put OLIVOL in the water to boil pasta because he is half Italian; except no one ever does this shit here. Ramsay can't even cook a fucking toasted sandwhich and try watching his carbonara video, it's Jack tier lol. Everytime they cook a dish from Southern Europe they'll randomly add thyme, rosemary and also parsley at the same time because MEDITERRANEAN flavours. They use more olive oil than someone from Spain or Italy. You don't cook everything with it, neither you bathe every single ingredient in it. But it's MEDITERRANEAN FLAVORS guyse. I used to live in UK for a year, so no, I've seen the full extent of Brits cooking. I do think it is a uniquely British thing to chug random shit in an oven and cook it to fuck.

>>15011093
Ehm what?
thanksgiving dinner is basically just danish xmas feast if anything lol, except they have turkey instead of goose which is easier to cook to perfection

>>15011668
Its basically a pancake made in the oven in a muffin shape

>>15015512
holy seethe

>>15015512
based italien dabbing on the anglo menace

>>15011654
Oh yeah, sausage bean and cheese is the best pasty as far as I'm concerned. You have to try the sausage roll because it's a 99p classic and the steak bake is I'd reckon their second most sold item after that, also pretty good. Everything else is kinda naff desu, the veggie bakes, pizzas, cheese and onions melts are just alright, wouldn't buy them myself. The hot sandwiches and stuff are again just alright, bit expensive and not hugely flavourful so just stick with the classic pasties. Oh and get coffee somewhere else, Gregg's coffee is dreadful.

>>15015791
t. has to put OLIVOL and 7 different kinds of spices to fry an egg
Don't forget the obligatory twig of thyme, rosemary and also some basil leaves for MEDITERRANEAN FLAVOURS.

>>15015186
The hell they don't. Up until St. Paddy's, I made weddings happen for a living. Some of these liquor budgets were in the six-figures.

>>15015512
What about boiling salted meat back to life?

>>15015784
Kinda... a Dutch Baby would be the closest thing. Still, this is my favourite execution of "Flour, milk and eggs get cooked all poofy-like." One of the closest things I've found to evidence of a loving god.

>>15011076
I've always assumed British food is "bad" in the same way meat loaf and broccoli is "bad", aka it isn't, but uppity people find the frankness of it off putting.

>>15015890
You can make amazing meatloaf and broccoli if you put effort into making it good. If you don't, you wind up with something stereotypically British (or American if you use extra salt).

>>15011215
>Gravy isn't made using the meat and veggies
>Meat is cooked until dry, no stuffing made inside the meat & lemon with regular basting
>Fuck all seasoning
>All veggies boiled instead of glazed or roasted and so on
What fucking british roasts have you eaten? Maybe I was just lucky to have a decent mother but every roast that's been made for me has been amazing.

>>15011654
greggs is just bland comfort sludge... only runts laud it.

That said, get the classic sausage roll, and a Sausage & Bean melt

>>15015186
they do
rasheeds don't drink

>>15011654
Come up to the NW and get some Galloways instead. Miles better. Take it from a pie eater, we've more bakeries than we know what to do with.

>>15011076
It isn't bad.

>>15015886
>What about boiling salted meat back to life?
Why would you do that to meat when you have modern refrigeration? Maybe I am missing something.
>>15015890
>muh frank food meme
Then Italian food is even more "frank" because most dishes have less than 5 ingredients.

>>15015963
Response a: You're missing thousands of years of heritage of being invaded by, and becoming boat-people without refrigeration (for at least half of the year).
Response b: It can be. Something like arrosticini/spiedini is the sum of its part. Something like tagliatelle pomodoro or fettuccine cacio e pepe is brut right down to the name being a list of ingredients. Tri-color spaghetti bolognese is a little more involved. English/British food leans more toward the beginning of that list - simple ingredients, simple preparation, maybe a sauce. The complicated stuff tends to be a naturalized import, like chicken tikka and some species of pickle.

>>15015993
Closest thing, I guess, is cured meats. I'm still not sure what do you mean.
The most complicated pasta dish I can think of is lasagna. Italians are lazy people with good quality ingredients and a "sense" for cooking. What bothers me the most about British food is the lack of cheeses. I'm living in the Northern part of Piemonte and I can think of at least 20 different cheeses I've had over the last three months. And 90% are regional. Most people eat extremely regionally, if not "sub-regionally" for a lack of better word. Even pizza is pretty simple. Typically a "rich" pizza is mayne or two cheeses (sometimes none at all), sauce (sometimes no sauce) and some vegetable possibly. Average meal is a pasta main or a lazy selection of cheeses and cured meats. On a more special ocassion you will only see several different courses. People who complain cooking is too complicated or too pretentious should see Italian cousine and understand that to be good at cooking you don't need a load of things or complicated cooking. Then again for most Anglos good sugo (desu it's difficult to make good sugo in UK, passata tastes like water) is too boring. It needs bacon, also cheese, also greens, also some sort of a spice... Not everyone is like that, but this is what I've observed. With all these extra things it becomes everything but one distinct flavour, instead it's a mush of different things. It's like a child that doesn't know what it wants to eat and instead wants to eat everything all at once and being surprised that food isn't just a matter of putting things together that are nice, that there is necessity for good sense, discriminating taste and knowing what you want.

>>15016174
>mayne or two cheeses
Maybe one or two*

>>15011433
This looks good but I consider European food a delicacy

check out my american made roasting pan that just got here. I'm going to use it to make a french style roast for this november and december

>>15015196
who, aside from your grandmother, makes yorkshire pudding in the US? everyone uses dinner rolls

>>15016218
...........i think you're based!!

>>15011091
No American holiday plate would look like that. It would have:
>green bean casserole - American (or green bean almondine if more refined - French)
>mashed potatoes with gravy - English
>glazed carrots (carrots vichy) - French
>stuffing - many cultures especially French especially if it's meat stuffing
>roast ham - English
>roast turkey - American
>dinner roll - our rolls seem uniquely American but not sure
>corn bread or biscuits - American south
Other sides depend on the holiday and region. I like the English food I've tried though, so I'm not hating. Yorkshire pudding was a huge hit with my family when I made it earlier this year.

>>15014963
Guess what? Garlic is generally unnecessary except in very small quantities. It masks the other flavors in a dish. Gonna cry? Gonna piss your pants?

>>15011076
i don't know what those potato looking things are but that entire platter looks delicious

>>15011668
Pudding just means mixture, so it shows up in a lot of British dish names. Bread pudding, black pudding, rice pudding, suet pudding, yorkshire pudding etc. They are all unique foods, so you just have to learn what each one is. For Americans "pudding" without qualifiers is only a custard type dessert while in modern Britain it can broadly refer to flour/starch thickened desserts. Anyway yorkshire pudding is the same thing as an American pop-over. It's like a quick eggy yeastless bread that rises really intensely in the oven and deflates once you take it out.

>>15011076
I like a sunday roast, love a yorkshie pud. Many places don't do them well, though.
I think the best contribution to food Engerland made was the meat pie, though. A good meat pie is truly delicious.

>>15011094
Then why do the French call us Rosbifs

>>15016444
that's a roast potato, the typical English method
>peel and parboil a marris-piper or king edward style potato (adding bicarb helps makes them crispy)
>drain and rough them up a lot
>coast in fat (ideally goose fat, but most oils work), season and roast at high temperature
one of the finest ways to prepare a potato

>>15011124
Retarded take my dude, if you have been served it like that it was by a shit cook

>>15016698
>typical english method
>duck fat

calm down with the lying

>>15016705
>A duck is a goose
Retard

>>15016709
same shit, goose fat is barely used in the uk stop making shit up

>>15016720
I use it every time I cook a roast you dumb bitch

>>15016734
and you're a rare exception, congrats!

>>15016746
It can't be that rare if there's a store brand for it.

>>15016767
What kind of logic is that?

>>15016772
The normal kind. Rare items don't have store brands at completely common pleb-tier stores.

Everyone's criticizing and defending, but WHY is British food so bad? What happened in British history that led all of their food to be bland meats roasted and smothered in gravy and variations on that?

>>15016780
Ok, review all the store brands items in your local Tesco. That means they're all broadly used by everyone. Guess what, they're not.

>>15016789
I don't have a local one because I'm a Yank and I have yet to ever see a store brand of goose grease because here it is a specialty item you would only find in a fancy store, much like duck fat for a confit. Hence, I infer it is a more common item on Cuck Island because they actually do have it in a huge but not particularly fancy chain.

>>15016786
They don't have a whole lot of interesting food natively.
Food got more interesting during the crusade and the Empire, but then ww2 happened and with it food rationing, which completely destroyed the national palate.

>>15016786
WW2 rationing is one hypothesis. A generation missing out on a richer heritage and adapting to shitty foods that were bearable only with condiments. Or so they say.

>>15016832
But France and Spain were also hit by WW2, right?

>>15011076
Are those giant mushroom caps?

>>15016786
Meat and gravy are king food though

>>15016837
right, but they were never as reliant on imported food for variety as the islands.

>>15016786
British food is among the best in the world. As long as you don't compare it to italian or american food it's great.

>>15016851
That makes a lot of sense, thank you very much.

i PITY those who will never enjoy a nice, cold pork pie

its a shame, really

>>15011093
stop larping

>>15013023
It's pretty depressing that someone would spend so much time in something like this tbhwy

>>15016705
I said best with goose fat, which is sold in literally any supermarket here for this express purpose

shut the fuck up.

>>15016854
>American
HOWLING

>>15017152
Why does it make you angry knowing that the united states has the best food in the world?

>>15016836
Then rest of the Europe would have horrible cuisine. UK didn't get invaded physically and compared to likes of Poland and even Germany itself, you got off very easily.
It's a bad hypothesis imo.

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all look amazing fuark im hungry

>>15017442
>UK didn't get invaded physically
They got blockaded you donut.

As far as i'm concerned, the Italians perfected cooking. Such a large variety of dishes, all of them so fragrant, with so much depth, and yet they're all so comforting at the same time.

>>15017457
... while some other countries were completely overrun and stomped into ground with famine, disease and all sorts of horror affecting them. Yet they didn't somehow forget how to cook.

>>15017493
Because they were cooking with their own native ingredients all along, while britain didn't even know what spice was until the Normans invaded and brought some with them.

>>15011076
nobody eats fish-n-chips and mushy peas on special occasions

>>15011446
WTF? this is what you get when you divide by zero

>>15015157
w o t ?

>>15017507
You don't need spices to cook good food. You're acting as if Brits were eating some sort of exotic foods on the daily.

>>15017597
He's implying that british food is just as bad as french food when everyone knows thats false

>>15017523
tastelet

>>15017598
>You don't need spices to cook good food.
See, this is why everyone makes fun of you.

>>15017631
No, you don't. Then again you're a Brit, you wouldn't know anything about food.