/ck/ - Food & Cooking

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>>14839295
I'm 46.

>>14839269

>are wines a giant meme

thats the true culinary redpill. winefags are the worst of any fandom for anything ever..

>>14839302
Well, you sound like a giant baby. Red wines, specifically cabernets, are delicious to me. I cannot stand whites, but that's just because I find them too tart. I won't fault other people for liking them, though.

>>14839305
Said hot dog haute cuisine cletus.

>>14839269
try a white wine. clean slate riesling is cheap and good. I'm not much of a fan of reds.

>>14839322

The other thing about winefags is just how fragile they are about their meme “hobby”. Oh, drinking wine is a hobby? Really?

>restaurant upcharges wine by 300%
>assholes still buy it

lmao, gent bent you fags

to me its like vodka. when you first have it straight its real shit and you wonder if people are mad for drinking it. but you keep drinking it, and you get used to it, and then you start to notice the flavour rather than just the sting of the alcohol. keep drinking wine, it will grow on you. pair with a good meal too and it will be even better.

>>14839269
i don't like french wine.
i think spanish and southern italian is the way to go.
>barbera
>montepulciano
>primitivo
>nebbiolo
>sangiovese
if it has that "DOC" or "DOCG" sticker it means it is what it says it is.

>>14839269
Some people don’t like red wines.


I mean look at the flavor profile, it’s all very bitter stuff.

>>14839349

>muh sangiovese
*slurp slurp*
>muh montepulciano
*gag gag*

Yep, thats a winefag alright

>>14839269
It's a young wine. They are pretty acidic when they're young, and that's why you should use it for cooking.

cab sauv is for old women. pilot book & malbecs are better

>>14839396
pinot noir* wtf fuckin spellcheck

>lack of good sense; foolishness.

>>14839318
You sound like an idiot. OP asked for wines that taste good not a rant.

>>14839305
>>14839335
>>14839360
samefag seething

>>14839269
>Primary flavors: GRAPHITE
Wine is the choice of soicucks, women, and faggots for a reason.

>>14839269
Then try a different wine. Pic related.

>>14839269
>Are wines a giant meme
yes because some top shelf wines taste worse than your $5 bottom shelf bottle but winefags will pretend that's not the case.

>>14839911

it's the ultimate meme
"hobby". it's like saying you like to eat good food as a hobby (foodie). just bottom of the barrel consumer faux-sophistication.

cooking is a hobby. growing grapes and making wine is a hobby. consuming the fruits of another's labor is an indulgence, not a hobby.

>>14839360
You’re a fucking child man, go eat some Mac and cheese with choccy milk

>>14839269
there's a malbec called zolo that you'll like

>>14840029

>You’re a fucking child man, go eat some Mac and cheese with choccy milk

once you get over $50 retail for wine, it all tastes the same. seethe/cope/dilate, in that order, please

>>14839345
>rather than just the sting of the alcohol.
The alcohol is not the problem here though. I'd rather drink vodka then something that's 10% vodka, 40% battery acid, and 40% bitter grapeskins.

>>14839269
No, wine is great. There's so many of them that it can be hard to find what you like. No different than good beer. As another anon mentioned try malbec, it is an underrated somewhat spicy red. If you want to try whites, start with Chardonnay which is inoffensive, smooth, and buttery.

>>14839269
wine is fucking garbage

>>14839356
What about Marsala though.

>>14839945
>>yes because some top shelf wines taste worse than your $5 bottom shelf bottle
I noticed that too, maybe you're supposed to age it 50 years first or something?

>>14840041
I’ve never even paid more than 25 for a bottle, I just think your attitude towards something that seems “pretentious” is lame, it’s the same type of thinking that scoffs at music theory or tasting menus or anything that requires any sort of deeper appreciation because you think that it’s looking down at people like you

>>14840062

>oaked chardonnay

i'm the anti-wine guy ITT and even i know that swill is gross

>>14839269
people have different tastes and like different wines.
try some different regions and varieties and see if there's one you like. you dont have to be an autist to find something you enjoy.

>>14840076
people that drink 50+ year vintage wine just put on the clown face for the camera while they choke back their own vomit that comes up in response to what they just swallowed

>>14840077

it's meritless pretense. a tasting menu, i can see the technique and the level of skill required to execute something so over the top and so delicious and i can appreciate it in the context of its frivolity. music theory, that's literally the musical equivalent of math. zero pretense.

>i'm a lower class plebian because i see through the smoke and mirrors that comprise the fermented grape jew

i've worked in multiple kitchens where we ended up as semifinalists for james beardies over 4 years of my time cooking (as in four finalist nods). i probably know more than you.

i get wine; there isn't as much there as yall profess.

turns out the anti wine fags are more obnoxious and autistic than any wine drinker

>>14840108
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>14840108
Alright, I accept that answer.
I’m not this guy btw>>14840125 he’s not the one you’ve been talking to

>>14839269
You're buying them too cheap

>>14840077
I won a blind tasting party against $100+ bottles with an $8 bottle. Granted, it was very good and won a lot of awards, and was made as a pet project by a great winemaker. He kind of did it as a fuck you to expensive wines.

>>14839269
most wine tastes bad in the beginning then you start spending $10-20 on a decent bottle and you realize the difference eventually. I had to drink 100s of bottles of cheap $3 wine to appreciate better wine. It's like drinking malt liquor for a few years and switching to trappist ales. Even the $10-15 bottles taste bad once in a while.

sounds like you're drinking virgin wine

>>14840041
>once you get over $50 retail for wine, it all tastes the same.
Not the case at all.
Around $300-700 is good.
But you should spend it on something old.
Don't buy a Rothschild from last year and open it now. "It's gross!" lol

>graphite
what the fuck

Anyone ITT who doesn't like wine should try one from 20 years ago. Doesn't have to be expensive but you will notice a big difference if it has aged well. You'll understand what all the fuss is about.

>>14840155
>things that never happened
I'm not even a believe in price = quality but $8 wines are synthetic as fuck and altered to all hell, extremely noticeable to even a moderately experienced wine drinker

>>14840171
pencil shavings is a relatively common note in a lot of yakima valley cabs in washington, and lots of mountain cabs from around napa

>not using an aerator
Ngmi

>>14840188
I'm sorry that you've never experienced good wine.

>>14839269
Did you drink it straight out of the fridge? Temperature makes a huge difference in how wines taste. They're at their best at a bit below room temp. If they're too cold, the other tastes don't show up and all you taste is the acidity.
Of course, there's also wines that are just plain bad.

>>14840162

well, any wine anon drinks is virgin wine

>>14840147

wait, civil discourse on 4chan? are you sure you don't just wanna argue and shitpost some more?

>>14840164

for me, it's the $100 price point (*retail) that flavor maxes out. anything more and you're paying for the arbitrarily dictated price of a bevlan good. flavor has an upper ceiling; it goes for food, as well. things can only taste so good, and past that you're paying for the bells and whistles.

>>14840237

The most important thing in wine is age.

A bottle from a reputable label that has been well aged will always be worth more than $100.

American wine is generally produced to be drunk sooner, though. It is not made to be aged like European wine.

>>14840224
Don't make me dust off my 2001 d'yquems

>>14840237
>it's the $100 price point (*retail) that flavor maxes out
This is only half-true, certain AVA/DOCs have zero or near-zero wines under 100, ie howell mountain, most of the To Kalon single-vineyards, some of the walled vineyards in Le Mesnil Sur Oger, pretty much all of the grand cru burgundies.

Paying more for high-demand terroir is about the only justification I can give. There is no reason to buy first growth bordeaux when pontet canet is generally better and in the 100-150 dollar price range, except because you make too much money.

Why are some reds so tannic? Do a lot of people like that feeling of the skin in your mouth tightening and feeling all dry?

>>14839305
>fandom
cringe anime retard detected

>>14839318
>can't stand whites
>calling others giant babies

>>14839334
>this wine is too acidic
>suggest an even more acidic grape variety

>>14839349
Half of those grape varieties are grown in northern Italy, man.

Also corruption is fairly rife within the DOC system so I wouldn't say that they guarantee what the wine is any more than other regional designations.

>>14839396
Malbec is for young people that like Cabernet Sauvignon but don't want to buy it because it's lame.

>>14840084
Not surprised you're anti-wine given how shit your taste is.

>>14840155
>>14840188
Could've been a tasting full of retards with more money than taste.

>>14840234
>drinking red wines straight out of the fridge
bruh

>>14840776
Because you're supposed to age them for a while so the tannin drops out of the wine.

Also if you drink them with food the tannin is far less perceptible.

>>14839269
>Eat processed shit whole life
>Expecting to appreciate taste, let alone understand it

>>14839269
Wine is shit and pretentious; a wine that actually tastes fruity/grapey is considered low brow and lacking nuance. I'd rather drink a beer, the ingredients taste like shit but at least if's allowed to taste like them.

>>14839305
beerfags are far worse at this point

>>14840321

This is my point; i dont give a fuck about wine. Id never pay more than $100 for a bottle in a restaurant and also never over $100 retail. These things cost what they cost just because somebody say ms that its what it costs.

Theres nothing better that exemplifies the concept of diminishing returns as well as expensive wine does

>>14839349
>spanish and italian the way to go
FUCKING BASED AND PATRICIAN PILLED

you're never going to beat a Rioja or Sangiovese with a French wine

>>14840070
Too sweet, better suited as a digestive.

>>14841138
Why must fermented wine grapes taste like table grapes?

Fruity wines like Riesling and Gewurtztraminer are not considered lowbrow, you don't even know what you're talking about.

>>14841156
>nothing better that exemplifies the concept of diminishing returns as well as expensive wine does
Expensive spirits?

>>14839269
>I don’t like something
>is that a meme???
retard

>>14841066
>>this wine is too acidic
>>suggest an even more acidic grape variety
What's the least acidic one then?

>>14841347
Grenache and Merlot are widely grown grapes that have low natural acidity.

>cabernet sauvignon
I've only ever had one glass but it had a very heavy butter taste/quality. Can't say I'm a huge fan.
>Shiraz
That stuff is great. Drank bottles of it now. It's what got me into wines in the first place.
Years of whiskey drinking may have friend my tastebuds though.

>>14841527
Butter is not a flavour that should be common in Cabernet Sauvignon, it sounds like you drank a faulted wine.

I would give it another go if I were you, a lot of people who love Shiraz love Cabernet Sauvignon too.

Cab sauv is the most overpriced variety in the world because fat, rich finance bros drank up the napa koolaid.
If you want a red wine with more softness and at much better value look into:
Old-vine zinfandel from Lodi, Russian River, Dry Creek Valley, Contra Costa etc
Cotes-du-Rhone, Gigondas, Vacqueyras etc (blends of mostly grenache with syrah, mourvedre and others)
New World Syrah, best values are coming from Chile, South Africa and Hawke's Bay NZ imo
Dolcetto from Piemonte (Alba, Asti and Dogliani) is lovely and cheap usually
hope this helps somewhat

>>14840776
tannin is beneficial for making wines with lots of alcohol feel more structured and not 'flabby' or fat-feeling.
also makes for a good combination with rich and fatty foods
>>14841084
malbec is 50-yr old juice here in england
>>14840041
how in fucking gods name does a grosses gewachs riesling from the nahe taste the same as cote rotie

you are honestly so retarded

>>14842675
There's some good natural/biodynamic malbecs coming out of cahors these days.

>>14839269
Try this. Simple and delicious

>>14839269
Merlot > Claret > Sauvignon > Pinot

>>14841045
Whites are only good for cooking seafood. Honestly I dislike drinking wine and would rather have brandy. But cooking with it is great.

>>14842758
Claret is the cab merlot blend? Bordeaux? I had my first one the other day and it was great

>>14839269
wines are a meme. but a cab sav shouldnt taste like battery acid.

>>14842766
I like fruity and dry what can I say? Honestly I would rather just drink brandy with ice it tastes less syrupy and carb loaded.

>>14842763
If you don't like wine, why are you giving such a shitty opinion on the stuff? Whites are great

>>14842780
They're too sweet and sugary for drinking. But put them with clams or mussels and I'm a fan.

>>14842787
There are dry whites out there. I just had one that was pretty tart. Apparently it's some old way of fermenting with orange? I don't recall the name but it was good.

>>14842798
I'm interested in trying wines made from other fruits. I do like a stronger mead like the meme named Viking Blod brand. It's something like 17%abv so similar to port but I like the honey sweetness. They also add some spices depending on the variety.

>>14842806
Yeah I lucked out and the liquor store near me has a pretty knowledgeable staff who have been recommending me a bunch of stuff. I went with beer last time though. Local brewery puts out a smoked hefeweizen that's only available around this time so I stocked up

>>14840203
>he doesn't preemptively open the bottle to let the wine passively aerate and sip on a small glass while he's cooking to let his palette is appropriately adjust to the wine's flavor profile
if we're gonna act like snobs, let's at least follow the protocol.

Sauvignon Blanc. With an ice cube. And watch sideways.

>>14842811
I love Urweisse from Ayinger but it's too expensive for anything but a treat. Normally since moving to this USSR shithole I've been drinking Yeunglings.

>>14841080
you're not wrong and the pugliese and calabrese kinds of nebbiolo, sangiovese and montepulciano taste so much differeent than up north. the rich soil and hot sun make for that low acidity and high alc % that OP might like.
maybe im just bias because i think those harsh weather wines are much less one-node than a riesling or a cote du rhone which are flavor punches and don't linger very long

>>14842900
Since when does anyone grow Nebbiolo in Puglia or Calabria?

I've had Riesling and Cote du Rhone that's had astoundingly great length. There's a lot of variety in those styles.

OP would probably like Primitivo or Nero d'Avola though, or Montepulciano as you suggested.

>>14841156
Beat me to it, but I was going to say wine and hi-fi.

>>14842726
Completely agree, quite fun wines. Doubt they would be to OP's taste though.

>>14839915
Post physique faggot

>>14841160
>single-varietal wines
Bordeaux blends created with the intent of having X flavor profile trounce single-varietal wines that tend towards X flavor profile.

>>14839945
>it doesn't taste like grape juice so it's icky pooey
Sometimes I understand where the idea that the poor are subhuman comes from

>>14843158
I figured it out when I worked at a gas station

>>14843058
Great with duck or bbq. Any up and coming regions aside from Portugal? Bojo is getting pricey.

>>14843141
6'4", 8% bodyfat. Cum in me faggot.

>>14843198
No I meant YOUR physique

>>14841156
Watches
Luxury cars

>>14841156
>diminishing returns
You pay for the experience of drinking good wine at its peak of taste, it's not an investment portfolio. Your psyche is thoroughly Jewed up.

>>14839269
>What are some wines that actually taste good?
Tastes are individual. Just like with beer you need to try a bunch of different types to figure out what you like.
If you know anyone that has a lot of experience with wine, they can help you cut down on the amount you'll need to try.

>>14843380
>investment portfolio
That's not what he meant, nor what his words mean, Anon.
Diminishing returns is pure mathematics. As he puts more and more money into wine he gets relatively less and less out of it. Taste, enjoyment, etc.. Therefore he feels there's no reason to put more into it after a certain point.

You're projecting your psyche being jewed up onto him.

>>14843353
Have you been in actual luxury cars? They're pretty fucking comfy and neat.
Maybe nowadays they're not as peak as they were before though. Was in a luxury car that's at least 2 decades old that had features that aren't even always offered on new cars nowadays.

>>14839269
>try sherry
>it tastes fucking incredible
Where has this godly nectar been all my life?

>>14839305
wines are an excellent ingredient though