/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Your palate should mature around 12 years of age.

>>14784693

>HOW DO I STOCKHOLM SYNDROME MY TASTEBUDS I MUST CONFORM AND CONSOOM

>>14784693
You'll do pretty fast if you cut the junk food and sweets

>>14784708
Kys

>>14784693
>I am quite fat because of that

You’re fat because you eat too much and move too little. If you ate nothing 1200 calories of twinkies every day for the rest of your life you’d be skinny. That’s almost 9 twinkies. Go ahead and round it up. Eat only 9 twinkies every day for the next two weeks and you’ll drop 5 lbs, I guarantee it.

You don’t need vegetables to be skinny. You need to eat less.

>>14784706
delete this

>>14784693
Blanch them and eat them like that. Steamed veggies are shit.

>>14784721
I need my fiber so I won't get plugged up anymore

>>14784693
Well i like salads with vinaigrette and feta cheese and olives (google it) and sometimes i fry vegetables in oil, when they get color they get taste.

Today i made a soup with:

- sliced sausage and fried sausage (chorizo) and let the fat run off
- yellow onions
- sliced potatoes
- sliced carrots
- sliced celery

fried it in in olive oil (low heat) and then some

- veg bouillion
- a liter of water
- 5-6 peppercorns
- a bay leaf or two

et boil for 10 minutes, never seen a greater smile on my gf after that meal, also 3 food trays as leftovers.

One left over in the freezer and two as lunch tomorrow for the gf and me :D

>>14784785
Veggies are shit for fiber, especially if you already hate them.

There’s 1 gram of fiber per 40 grams of celery. Are you going to commit to eating 1520 grams of celery for your daily recommended amount of fiber? 3.3 pounds of celery every day?

How about 1620 grams of spinach?

How about 128 asparagus spears?

If you’re looking for fiber, eat whole nuts, seeds, and grains. Take a multivitamin and don’t bother with vegetables that you hate. Go on a diet and fill it with things you can enjoy, track your macros and fiber. That’s how you’ll lose weight.

>>14784834
Unironically good to know. Now then, show us on the doll where the vegetables touched you.

>>14784846
No personal hate for vegetables, just for fat people who point to a lack of variety in their diet as the reason they are fat instead of calorie intake and expenditure.

You could drink an entire cup of mayonnaise a day and still be skinny if you move around enough to burn the calories. How much plant matter you eat has nothing to do with it.

Don’t resign yourself to being a fat fuck forever because you don’t like the taste of vegetables.

>>14784693
Start with salads. Start with premade green leafy salads from the grocery store if you have to, and use only half the dressing they give you. Then move up to more hearty salads also from the grocery store, like kale salad.

Then try this:

1 pound ground beef.
1 tablespoon olive oil or butter.
1 onion, diced.
1 bag coleslaw mix
1 cup or so, of salsa
salt, pepper as you like, added last.

Brown the beef in the fat, add onion and wait til onion is soft, stirring now and then. Add the coleslaw mix and stir til it's halved in volume. Stir in the salsa and shut off the heat. Stir once or twice more. Very lazy cabbage rolls. Serves two people.

>>14784693
Disguise the vegetables with other flavors or cooking methods. Why do you think salad dressings are so popular? It's to add a nicer flavor to the salads. Or as >>14784743 says, trying different cooking methods, like roasting with seasoning, honey, butter, etc.

>>14784693
It takes you about as long as it takes you to learn how to cook tasty meas

>>14784693
My brother hates veggies so i tricked him into liking them by putting them close to meat: stew with carrots, onions, green beans etc

>>14784978
You're a good bro. I hope your family appreciates you.

Also really solid advice. Most people don't like food simply because it's unfamiliar. Add a little veg to what you already eat and increase the amount slowly. Get creative working past hard stuff (eg if you hate the texture of mushrooms, try making a broth out of them to like the flavor, or try mushrooms in a braise where they get cooked down a ton etc).

OP tries a sprout:

https://youtu.be/X_V1OGMEvww?t=75

>>14784693
just cook vegetables with your meat juice, i save bacon grease to fry veggies with.
>>14785102
great advice. as long as you keep trying new things, you will eventually find something you like

>>14784693
Eat them when you're hungry.

>>14784693
>How long will it take me to get used to the taste?
Couple miles in one of these if you don't already use one.

>>14784693
if you are an adult and don't crave vegetables on a regular basis there is something evolutionarily wrong with you and you should be removed from the gene pool

>>14785163
>just cook vegetables with your meat juice, i save bacon grease to fry veggies with.

>>14785439
unlike most americans i know about portion control

>>14785463
ok boomer

>>14784693
either cook them yourself or only eat ones you like
also know that canned/frozen versions of certain veg aren't going to be as good as fresh

frozen broccoli has a mushy consistency so it doesn't crisp up like fresh broccoli when roasting. i use frozen broccoli to make broccoli tots or broccoli patties.

frozen spinach is an easy way to add veg to a dish since it's relatively texture-less (once chopped) with a light taste. thaw, drain, and squeeze out excess water, chop then add to a casserole.

i ironically prefer canned peas and canned corn to fresh peas and fresh corn
>inb4 corn is a grain
I know, shut up

cauliflower is a rather tasteless veg, it kinda absorbs the flavors of whatever you cook it in. it's also an *ok* alternative to mashed potatoes when you puree it - add a little garlic and parmesan

frozen vegetable medley also works well when you are lazy and need some veg, just add to your stir fry or whatever and wa-la

>>14785471
these are pretty good starter recipes that kind of scratch the junk food itch while also introducing veg (kids love this shit too)

>https://gimmedelicious.com/healthy-baked-broccoli-tots/
>https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/13941/zucchini-patties/

for everything else, roast it fresh, have it with your favorite asian sauce or vinaigrette. if you don't like it, toss it, then try a new vegetable.

all vegetables taste different and everyone has specific favorites. don't give up.

I can't for the life of me understand how any kids needed to be "forced" to eat vegetables. I always liked them and requested them. Some more than others, of course.

>>14785514
it's two things
1) parents don't know how to cook vegetables to make them tasty and 2) kids follow what their parents do and if their parents don't eat veg in front of their kids, their kids won't eat them either

I basically mix all my vegetables with meat.

or save the grease from my meat and cook the vegetables in delicious meaty grease

it's also helpful to learn about umami like fish sauce, shrimp paste, black garlic etc.

and don't forget: vinegar makes everything good

>>14785536
>vinegar makes everything good
truer words have never been spoken

>>14784693
Prepare your vegetables better. Green beans & bacon with plenty of onion & mushrooms, Brussels sprouts blanched and then finished in olive oil and/or butter with some salt & pepper. Stuff like that. It's not the healthiest way to eat vegetables but at least you're eating your vegetables.

>>14784721
>If you ate nothing 1200 calories of twinkies every day for the rest of your life you’d be skinny.
based retard

>>14785598
Anything but CICO is max fatty coping

You can acknowledge that 1200 calories of twinkies is less satisfying than 1200 calories of chicken breast and broccoli, but 1200 calories is 1200 calories. Stay eternally fat and mad.

>>14785598
>For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.

>His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.

>The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.

Anything but CICO is max fatty coping. People ate 90% carbs before the age of industrialization and still remained skinny. Exercise. Eat less. Shut the fuck up about fad diets and food blogs.

chopped up carrots with aspartame and sesame seeds taste good. you can spray cooking spray on them so the aspartame sticks. you can also put salt on them.

>>14784693
cut out the sweets. Roast or stir fry the veggies, slowly incorporate more home made meals that are balanced. Eventually, your palate will adjust to enjoying healthier foods. Take it slow.

I kinda hate them being bland so heres what I do. Put chicken thigh, olive oil, spices, hot water, and a bunch of mixed frozen veggies into a ziplock bag, shake it up, let it marinate or whatever, then throw it all in the toaster oven for like 20 mins at 400.

>>14784721
it's easier to be full with 3 normal meals rather than with 9 twinkies and the calories will be more or less the same

>>14784693
Ranch

try garlic and soy sauce

>>14785692
The point is that OP isn’t fat because he eats junk food and no vegetables. It’s because he overeats. Vegetables or the lack thereof are not part of the equation.

>>14784693
do you really hate all vegetables? including like tomato sauces and shit?
I'd start by cutting out sweets anyway, easiest way to lose weight by far
and get used to never drinking anything with calories

>>14785712
but a well-balanced meal is usually like 2x less calories than the equivalent junk food meal, while filling you up just as good
you can technically be skinny while only eating potato chips, but it's hard to do and not healthy in the long run (you can get really malnourished)

>>14785746
Nobody said otherwise

>>14785712
Maybe if OP felt some satiety after a normal meal, he wouldn't be overeating. Did you ever consider that in your "equation"? Yes, you CAN eat junk food and count calories. You're so exceptional for pointing this out! You sure helped OP along now!

>>14785755
OP thinks the reason he’s fat is because he doesn’t eat vegetables. It’s not. Stay mad

>>14785746
>well-balanced meal
balanced meals are a big lie.
wanna lose weight? eat a pile of plain potatoes
eat an entire butternut squash.
eat a big bowl of oatmeal, a giant bowl of air popped popcorn, etc.
adding fat to food is the kiss of death.

>>14785805
or just don't eat
OMAD and 48 hour fasts felt like cheating
didn't even go to the gym once

>>14785692
>>14785712
It's possible OP is overweight because he eats too much trying to compensate for missing nutrients that he could get from veggies but doesn't. Vitamins, minerals, this kind of stuff.

>>14785829
>body needy that magneezy
>body tells me to keep eating cheetos
>now I’m dangerously cheezy

This is not how deficiencies work

>>14784708
Have fun with your cardiac arrest bud

>>14784693
Deep fry them then douse them with velveeta you fat bastard!

>>14784708
Based

lmao at all you vegan retards. Just eat raw meat.

Oven roasting is the way to go. Lightly coat your veggies (i like using brocoli and brussel sprouts) in a bit of olive oil. Season liberally with lemon pepper. Roast at 250 until crispy.

>>14785685
lazy af but based

bump for op. veggies are tasty!

>>14785647
Haub was paid by Coca Cola to push big sugar propaganda.

Way to fall for it hook line and sinker.

>>14785647
Also:

>However, despite calling it the "Twinkie diet", Haub also consumed a multivitamin, a protein shake and fresh vegetables along with the Twinkies, Oreos, and Doritos.[37] Some protein shakes contain 80 grams protein per serving,[38] almost equivalent to eating three 6-ounce (170 g) steaks per day.[39] Besides the protein shake and multivitamin, Haub also ate nutritionally dense whole milk, carrots, and vitamin fortified cereal.[40] This contradicts representations by other media outlets stating that Haub "only" ate junk food.[41]

The best way to get used to veggies is to eat asian prepared broccoli, carrots, cabbage, etc, in soups, fried, or etc. Then when you like these tastes you make more cleaner, healthier veggies, that would still taste good. And finally you have conquered your adolescent pallet, the simply prepared vegetable. Follow my steps and you too can stop being a fatass. Also eat less.

>>14784693
Pan-sear some broccoli and or brussells sprouts in a pan with olive oil, salt, and pepper. Cook them at a medium-high heat so that they caramelize without burning the oil (olive oil burns easily). During the last few minutes, put in one or two tablespoons of water in the pan. Cover with a lid or bowl so that they steam. Remove lid and allow any remaining moisture to cook away. You can use this general template for carrots, onions, or bell peppers.

Certain pulses (beans) are also technically vegetables, such as lentils. Pulses -- in particular, lentils -- are extremely good for you because of the fiber. There are many ways of cooking lentils. Let's assume that you have red lentils for a moment. Wash about half of a cup of red lentils in a large bowl several times or until the water runs clear. Set aside. In a pot, such as a caldero, add about two or three tablespoons of oil. Warm the oil for about three minutes on medium-low heat or until the oil begins to shimmer. Add some whole cumin seeds and one stick of cinnamon into the oil. In about one or two minutes, you will notice a nutty aroma. At that point, add in one chopped red onion; this next part is important. The longer that you cook the onions, the better your lentils will taste. My opinion: cook until the onions begin to caramelize (brown around the edges). In the last three minutes, throw in some minced garlic and ginger. Cook for three minutes. Add some powdered turmeric and coriander powder. Quickly stir into the onion-y mixture. Next, put two pureed tomatoes into the pot. Cover. Cook until you begin noticing the oil separating from the tomato mixture at the edges of the pot. If you notice tomato sticking to your pot then don't fret; that's a good thing (i.e. flavor). Toss in your washed red lentils. Coat them thoroughly in the onion-y mixture. Put one and a half cups of water into the pot. Stir. Add salt. Reduce (cook) to your desired consistency (thickness).

The way to get kids to eat veggies is meat balls.
Just grate up a ton of apples carrots onions broccoli and whatever else you need to feed them then add salt to the pile drain most of the water off it and add 30% meat with high fat into it and mix it and make meat balls.
It's not meat balls but it's nice and you can eat a lot of them and kids seem to like them.

>>14784693
>My parents never forced me to eat them as a child
If you can't stomach vegetables then you're still a child. Seriously I don't know how you get so fucked as to think any vegetable is gross. Did your parents never make a single meal with vegetables for you? They just placated you with junk food for every meal?

>>14787793
There's actual real research that shows most healthy normal food tastes bland or bad after eating junk food and very sweet food for a long time.
It's like your body only wants sugar salt and fat.

>>14787808
Right, so how long does that take and how long has it been since OP ate any vegetables? Has he just been subsisting off of cookies and cereal his whole life? I just find it hard to believe that someone could just not eat vegetables. No pizza with vegetable toppings? No sandwiches with any sort of vegetable on it? Fried vegetables, like zucchini or onion rings?

>>14784693
fatties get the rope.

>>14787808
I've found my palate expanded considerably once I cut back on sugar and fat.
Especially sugar.

Your parents fucked up big-time and now you're the result. The only way to unfuck your gut flora is to go on a strict veggie diet until your body adjusts. No sugar, minimal salt, no processed food of any kind. Shovel that stuff down your throat until you're used to it. Your parents failed so now you have to parent yourself. Sounds hard but there's so many plants out there that it's easy to be a vegan.

>>14784693
I grew up a simiar way because my parents don't fucking care.

I mix large potions of spicy fried vegetables with little portions of meat and lots of spices.

>>14785647
>ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals.
>>14787399
>also ate vegetables, cereal, and protein shakes, and drank whole milk
wtf

>>14786165
that was beautiful, anon. haven't laughed at something so retarded for a good while.

>>14784721
Diet is more than just calories. If you don’t get the required nutrients within your caloric allowance you will be malnourished

make some french onion soup

>>14784693
Imagine being a parent and not caring enough about your child to feed it vegetables and healthy foods. Were they trash, OP? They sound like trash.

>no love for raw vegetables
No wonder you hate them
Peel carrots, cut into sticks.
Slice cucumbers, salt them.
Slice tomatoes, salt, dried basil.
Cut bell peppers into strips.
Peel radishes or daikon, slice them.
Maybe some red onion or garlic.
And then simply eat it with steak or chicken breast.

>>14784693
Add salt and cheese and you'll get over the mental block that makes you gag because of your childish mentality towards food. THat's the first half of the battle which should secure your final victory, too, since you'll note the undertones of fresh veggies and realize "hey, this is pretty good!" after.

>>14784693
apply lots of sugary or salty sauce at first, then wean it off over time.
additionally, turning carrots, spinach etc into a mash and blending it into pasta sauce works just as well for adults as it does for kids (i hope)

>>14784721
based twinkie-diet

>>14784708
>implying junk food junkies aren’t the biggest (heh) consoomers in existence