/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Is there anywhere where you can buy expensive meme coffees like the civit poop one or the actually good quality Jamaican Blue mountain and actually get it freshly roasted, it seems the the more rare the coffee is the more likely it is to have been sitting around somewhere for years after it was roasted.

Electric kettle, 4oz water
2T Instant Dark Roast
1tsp Stevia
1T Cream
1min done

>>14694986
>2T Instant Dark Roast
Baste and instant pilled

>>14694953
Civet coffee is a complete scam and nobody in the specialty coffee business will even touch it. Jamaican Blue Mountain is hard to find because nearly all of it is exported to Japan.

Best strategy for finding rare, ultra high quality coffee is to find a specialty coffee roaster nearest to you that does special, small batch, in-season, "auction lot" coffee roasts. These usually come in bags smaller than 200 g and require pre-order and cost over $30 per bag.

>>14695499
>Jamaican Blue Mountain is hard to find because nearly all of it is exported to Japan.
Lol and they just use it to make sweetened canned coffee with creamer in it hahaha those gooks

>>14694802
imagine unironically being anal about pour over coffee, why have they not switched over to the superior espresso if they care that much

>>14695533
Espresso makes fruity coffee overly sour.

>>14695533
How the hell can you say that espresso is superior to pourover? They're completely different things that aren't comparable.

>>14695582
Ignore him. These threads attract a lot of posers.

>>14695588
Which is why I rarely even check /ctg/ anymore. There is rarely anything to be learned from this shithole. Just retards shitposting about Folger's and instant coffee or people arguing over which hand grinder is better and shilling crap that nobody needs. The only interesting posts anymore are from the guy with the niggerrigged home roaster.

>>14695604
Cry more

>>14695499
>>14694953
>will have to move back home just to try Jamaican coffee

>>14695499
>Civet coffee is a complete scam and nobody in the specialty coffee business will even touch it.
Can you elaborate on this? Is it even a real thing at all or what?

>>14695604
I could talk about my roasting adventures, but it would be esoteric and boring.

>>14695630
Are people just incapable of performing their own research on something before they buy it? You can literally search for information about anything online and you still see retards like this guy who are completely clueless and try to buy into stupid memes like civet coffee.

>>14694986
>1tsp Stevia
Disgusting

>>14695661
Sorry i should have known better than to try and talk about coffee in the coffee thread

Why is specialty coffee so fucking expensive? How hard is it for supermarkets to sell lightly roasted regional blends?

>>14695732
Hard. There isn't that much really good coffee grown in a year to make it to supermarket shelves as a product line. And because it's so damn seasonal and unpredictable, the quality would vary and people would flip their shit. So you're left with two options: small batch local/online roasters, or roasting your own. Both of these options are a gamble. It's expensive because you're trying to get the best lots of the global coffee crops.

>>14695732
Trust me, specialty coffee is in a very good place right now. The moment that it becomes a trendy thing and gets picked up by normies is the moment that it dies.

>>14695835
Yeah, just wait until hipsters discover coffee. Won't that be a sight.

>>14695844
I know that reading can be hard but maybe you should give my reply one more go before responding with smug shitposts in the future, you just make yourself look like a retard when you do that.

>>14695905
Insinuating specialty coffee isn't the trendiest of trendy memes isn't worth giving a second go-over. You're wrong, anon, end of discussion.

>>14695913
No, you are. End of discussion.

>>14695970
I accept your concession of defeat with grace.

>>14695905
You should try actually contributing to the thread instead of just acting like a bitchy woman.

>>14695630
It's a meme from SE Asia, and usually, nobody can really verify if it was really shit out by a civet or not. They're using the coffee beans from one of the worst coffee producing regions to begin with (Indonesia). There's also the big ethical problem as civets don't eat coffee beans naturally, and we don't know how good or bad for their health this is and how distressed they are to be force fed coffee beans (if they are actually fed the beans that is). The only video I can find from a legitimate coffee source that taste tested civet coffee is the one from ECT where they only did it because someone sent them a bag for free without asking them first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc-HKMsXQAw

>>14695985
Actually I accept yours, with greater grace.

what is it about coffee that makes people on this thread even more irate then usual
the tea general is 100x more comfy, you guys need to ease up on the caffeine

>>14696217
Teabros aren't as obsessed with absolute efficiency (yet) as coffeefags. Give it time, tea's starting to go through its "third wave".

>>14696217
I would guess that coffee is more common and accessible than tea in most countries where people post here? You basically have to go out of your way to find out about something like Chinese tea ceremony if you are American but specialty coffee is a natural evolution of the cheap coffee that everyone has experienced. The only time that anything specialty tea related has become close to a commodity in the west was the short-lived matcha meme that came and went a few years ago.

>>14696223
>tea's starting to go through its "third wave"

And, it's already more hipster than specialty coffee.

>>14695630
Civets in the wild would eat the best beans, so the civets curated the best coffee for you. Not much wild left in their area now so they just feed caged civets coffee and sell their shit to people who don't understand why civet coffee was a thing in the first place.
I'm good without poop coffee though desu

>>14696223
Tea has too much variation in processing and it's now ground into a uniform texture before brewing ao it's impossible to have a 100% repeatable standard process for brewing any tea of the same type. How the leaves are processed and how much they are compressed will change how quickly they infuse ao the tea brewing process can never be as autistic as it is with coffee. Doesn't stop the teafags from trying tough.

>>14696256
*and it's not ground into a uniform texture before brewing

>>14696243
Does this mean they pick out only the ripe coffee cherries? Because you can get good coffee that was autistically picked and sorted by human beings who get paid for their work.

>>14696124
>>14696243
Thanks anons, sounds like it's just not worth bothering with. Plenty of good coffee that is actually accessable.

>2020
>not having a gaming espresso machine at home

>>14696652
Can it run Crysis?

>>14696681
Anything is possible after ten shots of espresso.

For me, it's Finca Takesi Gesha.

>>14695604
Reporting in. Monteblanco purple cat at ~399. I'll try to post some sep graphs of it soon. Hopefully kruve sends my sifters soon and they don't miss their shipping date by 4 months again.

>>14694953
There's a roastery in Minneapolis that sells Kopi Luwak, and they'll make small cups of it for you for ten bucks. I thought it was an extremely good cup of coffee, I don't think it's correct to call it a scam.

sup cu/ck/s,

what would you say the "thinkpad of coffee machines" would be?

>>14697551
Modbar is probably the ThinkPad X1.

>>14697557
pic. Also comes in matte black.

>>14697531
Describe the smell

>>14697575
smells really good mate that's all I can tell you

>>14697575
It didn't smell significantly different to me from most coffee, but the taste was almost like a liqueur.

>>14697580
Did it have hints of urea or a kind of barnyard vibe?

>>14697592
It did not.

Easiest way to brew coffee that's not instant or coffee maker?

>>14697604
aeropress

>>14697604
V60 don't fall for the Jewpress meme

>>14694802
I cold brew my coffee for 24 hours with a laboratory magnetic stirrer stirring it throughout.

>>14697615
v60 is objectively more difficult than aeropress, even if the quality ceiling is higher

>>14697604
Kalita wave pour over, or french press.

>>14697630
How is it more difficult? Do you have Parkinson's or something?

>>14697621
Sounds awful.

>>14697647
The v60 requires the most precision and carful managed pouring of any of the popular pour over systems, other pour over set ups like melitta of kalita systems are much more forgiving and easy for the average joe to not fuck up.

>>14697652
What's wrong with that? I like it.

>>14697551

>>14697656
You can literally center pour the entire water amount in one go into V60 and get an okay cup. You pour carelessly into Kalita Wave, and the filter wall falls over and the water drips directly down the drain. With Aeropress, there is a lot of potential for slipping or the server underneath breaking at the "plunging" step especially if you're doing it half-awake.

Hello Coffeebros, Im looking to buy a new espresso machine and a new grinder. I am willing to spend up to 1000€.

When it comes to the machine, I exclusively drink espresso, so a single-circuit machine would suffice. It should also be a Thermoblock system. Currently looking at the Quickmill Orione 3000.

I have no Idea what to look for when it comes to grinders, but it should be of high quality. I dont want to buy a new one in two years.

Can you help me out?

>>14695142
>Stevia

nth for french press is ass

>>14697604
steel french press, or
cowboy coffee (30sec boil, then strain)
to clarify a muddy cup, let settle for 3-5min and decant twice

>>14697671
>With Aeropress, there is a lot of potential for the server underneath breaking at the "plunging" step

When I was Aeropressing daily, I went to the chemistry lab store and got a lab tripod, the kind used for holding something over a burner. Gotta measure your tripod ring and the bottom of the AeroPress to assure clearance.
Also went and got a metal measuring cup.

>>14696681
no but the decent DE1+ can

What makes a good grinder for fine coffee beans?
I dont have a local store that has one anymore

>new company wants to contract us to roast their coffee beans for them
>one of those, “rain forest alliance, we love nature” put-monkeys-on-the-packaging type shits
>yeah okay give us your roasting specifications
>it’s fucking charcoal
>they clearly have no idea how to roast coffee
>”Hey if you just did this, you could make a lot more flavorful coffee, it wouldn’t cost anything”
>”No.”
Why do people do this?

>>14694802
I'm gonna be honest i just go for San Augustine Columbian beans whenever I can get em, then just grind them to medium fine in my little electric grinder and standard french press i guess, splash of whole milk and then enjoy

what's a moka pot/percolator one of you can recommend that doesn't have the weirdest alchemy going on in the water chamber?

I want one that lasts and doesn't react to anything

>>14698812
I would appreciate your company during coffee time

>>14697671
Press gently
>>14695604
A pastebin from some autist going over grinders and basics of each brewing method would help. Especially with how gear-queer this hobby is, theres tons of bs information on random blogs.
Coffee basics guide
>Wow, the moka pot is amazing, make sure you use espresso grind, follow our recipe link
Click link
>Make sure you have a good medium-coarse grind size

>>14697656
Its pouring water into a funnel. Most nonwhite kids can fill their own sippycup by age 2.

>>14697630
Significantly higher quality ceiling at 1/3rd the price. Don't give that frisbeemaking faggot any more cash.

>3 - 4 mins straight spent trying to grind 56g beans
Alright fuck this shit I can't take this annoying ass process anymore.
What's the cheapest electric grinder of acceptable quality you can buy? Should I just get a Baratza Encore and be done with it for a while?
Just using a french press right now but I wanna pick up a Chemex or V60.

>>14698791
>silesian coffee

>>14699129
what shit grinder do you have? My m47p and GrinderGC can both churn through that in less than a minute (without time taken to refill the bean hopper)

>>14699462
Using a Hario Skerton.

>>14699500
Hahaha just throw it away, i used one for years and felt like an absolute retard when i switched to a shitty spinny blades grinder and realized it doesn't even matter unless you are making espresso at home.

>>14699197
what is this in reference to and is it in any way related to (very good) silesian beer?

>>14699687
this is in reference to coal mines in silesia

>>14699775
oh, hey, the more you know. love from america.

>what are you drinking
capuccino in the mornings, for years now, from my PIDed Silvia. Sette grinder. I jump between Onyx and Intelligensia depending on shipping promos. Tried a bunch of other roasters over the years, let me know if there are some worth trying.
>do you like it
I like it enough. Not sure what a good price:performance upgrade would be so haven't bothered.
>getting anymore
sure

>>14697551
a midrange single boiler like Silvia or Gaggia assuming you're comparing to non nu-pad models

>>14699806
have a good one

>>14699500
LOL. Fuck man, my commute takes 4 hours. Think I should get rid of this craigslist bike with bent wheels?

>>14699129
Any cheap blade grinder under $20.
Pulse 20x, remove lid, stir with chopstick or something. Repeat 5x. This will grind 60g coffee to medium coarseness for pourover in 1.5 minutes to the exact same consistency in grind size as any hand grinder under $100.

>>14694802
How would I adapt this pic for 2 cups of coffee? Just double the weight of everything?

>>14699129
the OXO conical burr grinder is good for the money and has the added benefit of being able to fine-tune the grind time so you don't have to fuck with it once you find the right setting
Can get it for ~70 from Bed Bath and Beyond with a 20% off coupon

>>14700117
Yes

>>14700128
Thanks anon.
More stupid questions: does the timer for each pour start when I begin or finish adding the amount? Or should I add as fast as possible without agitating?

I just made a cup with the guide and it was really good, although the liquid at the bottom had a much more intense bitterness. Should I pre-wet the grinds or is that what the first two pours are about?

>>14698197
Pour in a bit of cold water to help the grounds settle

>>14700243
Begin

>>14700096
Wrong. Borrow a set of endecott sieves and a nice grinder. Stop lying on 4chan.

>light roast fags
sorry explain to me why you enjoy the taste of vomit instead of coffee?

>>14700096
based blade grinder anon
>>14700391
cringe post-purchase rationalization

>>14700528

>post-purchase


>borrow

?

>>14700703
Aww he is retarded too.

What are your strategies for cleaning coffee pots without sending half the grounds down the grain

>>14700703
>2020
>not using the most ghetto Walmart grinder to grind coffee then using $600 Kruve Pro Steve's sieves to get only the particles that are exactly the size you're looking for, wasting 80% of the coffee in the process

Do all coffee roasters do significant markups on smaller bags?
I'm relatively new to this, but I just noticed my local place will do a 250g bag of coffee for £9, while the 1kg bag will be £22

I would prefer to buy small bags of different things for more variety, but that's a pretty big tax for doing so.

>>14695142

Post lips. You know the rules.

>>14700910
Coffee grounds are good for your drain.

>>14701314
Yes. It’s always cheaper to buy in bulk. Just the way the business goes

bump

>ice
>water
>instant coffee
>cashew milk
>almond milk

>tfw can't sleep thanks to this guy

>>14701228
I really can't taste the difference between a medium grind with a (correctly used) cheap blade grinder and a cheap burr hand grider. But whatever. I'm a tastelet. I bet my coffee is better than most of the people posting here.

>>14703367
Doubt it.

>>14694986
>Stevia
Kill yourself.

e61 anons do you use that manual preinfusion trick with the lever halfway between neutral and on, and if so how long do you do it for?

>>14697515
Yum. Not perfect, but a VERY good first shot off the jar.

Just had an espresso at a highly rated local coffee place.

Tasting notes: dark soy sauce, vinegar, milk chocolate

>>14703367
based blade grinder anon
>>14704163
>>14701228
>>14700703
>>14700866
cringe post-purchase rationalization anons
continue sucking James Hoffman's flaccid cock. third wave ruined coffee and turned it into consoomerist Apple-tier faggotry

>>14706560
Enjoy your uneven coffee that simultaneously tastes sour, bitter, and salty.

>>14704811
Stevi-back, or I'll put stevia in your coffee when you're not looking.

>buy whatever coffee is on sale
>except Lavazza which is atrocious to say the least
>use a coffee doser to fill the moka
>add a spoon of sugar
>enjoy

>>14706929
*teaspoon

>>14694802
>Get jar of Maxwell House instant coffee
>Get bottle of Dasini Water
>Add 4 scoops of coffee to the water
>S H A K E
>Consume

This forbidden technique allowed me to bring a 40% in Cal 2 to a 78% in a single week, but my resting heart rate during that time was 95 bpm

>>14707186
You could have just bought some bronkaid.

>>14707239
The entire coffee costs less than $0.20 per drink

>>14706848
I do enjoy my terrible coffee. I like to think of it as complex.
:)

fuck you niggers i make coffee in a stovetop percolator and its wonderful

>>14707186
I did this but with pepsi instead. Put it in a cup with a couple spoons of Coffee and chug that shit

>>14706848
Enjoy wasting thousands of dollars to make other people richer under the delusion that your mudwater tastes "better" as a result. Third wavers are literally less than human. They're macfags but even more pretentious. Kill yourself.

>>14694802
I started using a pour-over because I broke my french press while wrestling in my kitchen.
It's pretty good.
I just buy whatever looks decent and if it sucks I give it to my sister.

>>14707882
>Virgin skoal chewer vs the Chad cigar smoker

You're just not going to win this one. Maybe Biden will up your ebt and you can drink something decent.

>>14698820
Vev Vigano. Unlike the other moka pots, Vev Vigano is stainless steel, not aluminum.

>>14707882
>>14707930
Finding this amusing because my coffee is both very low-tech/high-skill and inexpensive; yet very, very good and I am a huge coffee snob.

>Enjoy wasting thousands of dollars to make other people richer under the delusion that your mudwater tastes "better" as a result. Third wavers are literally less than human. They're macfags but even more pretentious. Kill yourself.
why do poorfags always cope by inflating the prices of the things they can't afford? owning a simple burr grinder isn't extravagant at all.

>posted from my macbook pro

>The ultimate entry level grinder in your craft coffee journey
This makes my fucking skin crawl

>>14708158
$145 is but a small price to pay to begin your craft coffee journey!

>>14707882
>I won't buy a $70 hand grinder because it makes (((them))) thousands of dollars richer

wut

>>14708453
>$70 hand grinde
you mean $35, right?
...right?

>>14708459
Are you the poorfag ITT who acts like it's outrage anything costs more than $10?

What's a good hand grinder under $50 that can outperform my masterful blade grinding skillz?

>>14708478
I used a hario mini mill for a bit but it felt like shit to use and it broke quickly. Maybe I got unlucky.
I have a timemore grinder now and I like it but it's more like $60-70.

>>14708478
Anything will produce less fines than you running a blade grinder for 2 minutes.

>>14708474
Theres a few poor fucks itt who should be doing online CSR work instead of posting constantly.

>>14708474
for $70 it should be grinding for you

>>14695549
If you don't know how to dial it in sure

>>14708615
I don't run the blade grinder for 2 minutes. I pulse for 0.5 seconds 20 times, remove the lid and stir the grounds to redistribute them and disperse frictional heat, then repeat this cycle 5 times. I really don't think I get a worse particle size distrubution at a medium grind than any ceramic burr mill under $100.

For me, it's Monogram.

>>14708878
Buy a Baratza Sette 270.

>>14694802
May I use filtered rain water?

>>14709247
I use filtered bong water

can someone recommend a filter
i don't exactly want to have to buy a big stock of fucking water from the store on a regular basis

So is it worth getting a grinder for beans instead of just buying ground coffee?

>>14709996
If you want to use a pitcher, the pur brand ones are the best filters but kind of slow, the brita ones are faster but not as good at filtering.
For built-in filters see.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-under-sink-water-filter/

>>14710001
Yes always, but you should also try and get freshly roasted (within a month or two) coffee

>>14710031
thanks a million

>>14710039
Yeah I'll keep that in mind.

>>14709996
APEC countertop reverse osmosis system

>>14709996
Pitchers aren't even close to cost effective. You want a gravity fed tower, like a berkey. If you don't want to pay $120 a pair for the filters(8000+ gallons) you can get supersterasyl ceramics for like $50.

>>14708878
You understand your method will vary from blade grinder to blade grinder, and also your blade rpm will vary from motor wear? We're shooting for consistency. My kinu is 45-50 turns at 2.4 for espresso, 16.5g. That's repeatable.

>ceramic burr mill under $100

Don't buy or compare shit to ceramic mills.

>remove the lid, stir the grounds

So those smaller pieces that get busted up in the first 25 seconds get continually ground to powder, and you think you've got a decent distribution. Post it. Spread them out on a paper plate.

here's how i make my coffee
>Put the grounds+watre in the fridge for a day
>pour it through a filter and put the rest back

>>14709247
The sulfuric acid in the rain water may interfere with the natural acidity of the coffee. Stick to solar powered desalinated water

>>14694802
Do coffee fags actually taste the difference between mid tier and moderately expensive beans?

>>14711303
You should bot use reverse osmosis water for coffee. It is over filtered and your coffee will taste gross.
See the water quality guidelines from the specialty coffee association for more info.

>>14711807
yes, and we can even taste more differences than that, e.g. different roasts of the same beans, different grinders, different water. there is so much variation that one of the main coffee fag goals is to achieve consistently good cups of coffee.

>>14711836
that's why you cut it with tap water or add minerals. it is a blank slate. brita filters basically do nothing, which might be fine if your tap water isn't hard to begin with.

>>14711841
Really. Ive had the flair espresso and burr grinder for a months, and besides roast types, they all taste the same . The only coffee bean that had a distinct flavour that made me think I was eating a berry pop was Ethiopian yirgacheffe or Sidame. It was strong enough that I really thought someone had left berry juice in my cup. But other than, they all taste the same. My tastebuds arent that sensitive

>>14694802
Before I forget, an anon on here mentioned getting this shit fresh local. Bought it down in Florida. Its pretty good for the price; $5 a bag. Light, slightly sweet, nutty smell and flavor with vauge florals in the end. Been using the french press Hoffman method drinking it black. Going to keep it in mind when I need to grab a bag.

coffee newfag here

how do i get the most caffeine per ounce

do i eat the raw coffee grounds?

>>14712029
it just takes practice. imo ethiopian, colombian and indonesian beans are so different tasting they may as well be different drinks.
as a new coffee snob I was focused on the acidic, fruity notes more but now I am more interested in the variations in sweetness/bitterness aka what I think of as the "coffee taste".

>>14712152
Cold brew in a mason jar. Look into robusta blends; good blends exist but its tricky.

>>14712203
whats a good grounds to water ratio and fairly cheap brand?
would prefer one on amazon

>>14712301
Cafe busto

>>14712361
bustelo yeah?
thanks anon

>>14712192
whats your opinion of blends?

>>14712369
Fair warning, bustelo is extremely dark and burnt.

>>14712395
I don't mind them but mostly drink single origin. The origin characteristics can get lost in the blend and you end up with more of a smooth cup, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I home roast all my coffee now so I mostly drink single origin and only blend when I'm at the end of a batch. Those cups are usually good. I am interested in making my own espresso blends eventually.

>>14711390
Nah. Thinking about using a pestle and mortar after my 15 year old shitty blade grinder dies (who knows when? I have rebuilt it at least 10 times!) I'm tired of coffee gearfagging. I'm going to go prehistoric retro hipster. I will put together a leather manpurse satchel with:
cast iron roasting pan
fire strarting rocks
mortar and pestle
sticks
handmade jebena & horsehair seive

This is not a joke post. I am serious. My coffee will be spiritually awakening (and better than yours).

>>14712949
The irony is that a piece of shit from the early 1800s will do a much better job than the repurposed nose hair trimmer motor in your scrap steel blade grinder.

https://www.antiquecoffeegrinders.net/

Anyone else just chew up the beans they want to brew and them spit them into the brew basket? I find the saliva helps improve the degree of extraction. It's probably an enzyme in spit that does it.

>>14713013
Yeah, I was thinking that the other day and was looking at old grinders. Most of them have steel conical burrs. I was also looking at old and modern hand crank grain mills. Those all have the flat steel plates, which I guess are modeled after millstones. I really am sick of all the shittily made consumer electronic stuff. Even higher-end consumer electric burr grinders are junky plastic. Makes me just want to build my own mill. I'm not paying $1000-2000 for a modern hand mill that has about the same or lesser construction quality as one my great grandparents used. What was the name of that classic wall mounted American coffee grinder design?

>>14713141
>shittily made consumer electronic stuff


Cut your losses, avoid the headache of restoring shit and not having a stable supply of parts, and get a kinu m47classic, apollo bplus, or if you want some esoteric big dickery, track down a helor stance manual. Steel steel and more steel. You could bludgeon several people with any of those 3 and go back to grinding np.

Sipping on some of that purple caturra I posted a few days ago. 18g pourover 45sec bloom 3:30 total. 270 out. Tart dark cherries and some nice chocolate notes linger.

>My coffee will be spiritually awakening (and better than yours)

Doubt it.

How come if I get a caffeine headache from missing my morning coffee, drinking coffee later doesn’t help make it go away

>>14713279
>270 out
what does this mean?

>>14713449
18grams of beans at 1:15 ratio. 270grams of sips out.

>>14713091
I just chew and swallow. 100% extraction yield and the origin characteristics come through beautifully.

>>14713483
I'm trying to brew coffee here not be some kind of bean eating animal

>>14713465
Sooo this is 18g of bean and 270ml of coffee? A ml of water = 1g?

>>14714047
Correct.

>gale this coffeee it's
>hmm gale
>hmm the coffee gale
>hmm
>slrrrp slurrrp slurrrp
>hmm

>>14714439
Is there any reason that you arrived at this coffee to water ratio? Seems a bit on the watery side to me. I usually go for around 40g for 12-14oz of water.

>>14714502
Pretty standard ratio.

>>14707930
>>14707988
>>14707982
>>14708324
>>14708453
>>14708459
>>14708474
cringe consoomerism. even >>14713279 admitted that you need to drop $400 on anything close to reliable. Continue shilling your worthless (((hobby))) and pretending you're somehow rich for it while the actual elite pockets the cash. Lower-middle class delusion always is the stinkiest scent of bullshit.

cope

>>14714707
>NOOOOOO I NEED MY $39.99 GOOSENECK KETTLE, MY $17/LB SINGLE ORIGIN LOCALLY ROASTED BEANS, MY $400 BURR GRINDER, MY ~~~THIRD WAVE~~~ WATER @ $16/GALLON, MY $309 TECHNIVORM AND MY $799 BREVILLE YOU CAN'T TELL ME I'M WASTING MY MONEY MAKING PEOPLE SMARTER THAN ME RICH YOU FUCKING POORFAG
coffeefags really are miserable inside

>>14714762
$40 for kettle, less than 1 hours pay for most people.
$0.50 on beans for a cup to local business instead of (((them)))

>>14714762
For me, it's the McCafe, the best fast food coffee. I even ask for extra sugar packets and the staff is so friendly and more than willing to oblige.

>>14714707
>>14714762

Hopefully we can get you guys some UBI or something. I'd be more than willing to pay more in taxes to stop easily preventable shitposts.

For me, it's coffee with cupping notes that include plout, a plum-apricot hybrid plant fruit that almost nobody has ever tasted.

>>14714872
I fucking hate bergamot. I hate earl grey. I would not drink a coffee that tastes remotely like earl grey.

>>14714804
>dividing it into price per cup instead of the whole price
how many layers of mindless consoomer post-purchase rationalization are you on? notice you didn't give a price for your grinder or your brew method. lemme guess, baked into the cost?
>>14714807
cope
>>14714816
seethe
consoomers really are the worst. any hint of criticism and you fly into projection. glad to know i have a retirement fund and you never will.

>>14714762
I have no idea if this is satire, but I love it. I make really good coffee on a shoestring budget.

>>14714895
Per cup because that how to compare to other things which I enjoy.
I use a plastic v60 I got for free, grinder gifted from a friend.
Espresso machines are expensive and probably not needed so that's why I didnt comment. You seem to think disagreeing is all or nothing.
You are a retard who doesn't understand the types of consumerism and presume it's all terrible.
I hope you are squatting in the woods in a shelter you made from twigs you found as nice things are bad.

>>14714920
>i rely on the gift economy to support me
lol okay consoomer. tell me about the ~~~nuance~~~ of being a cancerous cuck who ruins his own life for the betterment of (((others)))
>I hope you are squatting in the woods in a shelter you made from twigs you found as nice things are bad.
now who's all or nothing faggot? lol consoomers really do have (((holes))) in their brain

Please stop feeding the unfunny troll.

>>14714934
Which one is the troll?

>>14694802
Is it wrong to do one big pour? I noticed the top and middle of the mug are quite tasty while the bottom is kinda bitter.

>>14714924
Its pretty funny when newfriends go out of their way to out themselves.

>>14714958
>>14714934
no arguments huh? thought so. (((hobbyists))) are all the same breed of mindless drone. once you've pushed them out of automatic NPC shill mode they become irate like they're being forced to question their belief system for the first time. sadly they stay in it due to the self-induced lobotomy they undergo when they decide to become a hobbyist in the first place.

Why do I get uncomfortable “body jitters” when drinking coffee, including decaf? It’s apparently not from the caffeine. It was Swiss water decaf, if that makes a difference.

>>14715051
Maybe the decaf still has a little in there? Does tea do this to you?

I usually get my coffee beans freshly roasted, but I just read that it's best to leave it a weak or two to aerate.
How true is this?

>>14715269
>weak
oops

>>14715138
It can if I drink enough tea. I was wondering that too, some leftover caffeine might have pushed my body over the edge.

>>14715269
Sometimes true. As a new coffee roaster I have tested 15 different coffees now. Some types taste great and stay great 1 day to a week after roasting. Some taste less optimal until after 3 days have passed. I have not yet had a batch last longer than 10 days because the flavor has peaked at 1-3 days. Mind you, I am NOT heat sealing the coffees in valve bags, so I can only assume that in stasis, they can only lose so much freshness. My prior years of drinking commercially roasted coffee taught me unopened sealed bags tasted about the same from 1 week to 2 months (I could never get any fresher than about a week old). But! air, water, and UV light are the enemy of coffee flavor always. This is completely different than post-roast aging.

What scales are you guys using? Should I get something specific for espresso?

>>14715615
I use a triple beam balance because they are more accurate than digital scales. It takes longer, but that fraction of a gram accuracy is worth it.

>>14715634
I'm going to have to add this to my hipster coffee kit satchel manpurse.

>>14715634
My digital scale is 0.01g accurate. Can you even read that closely between your gram markings?

>>14715681
Yes. The 0-10 gram beam is a ruler. And I know I can still make good coffee with it during the apocalypse. I won't have to fight the hordes for batteries. I use my digital scale for things that don't matter anymore like calculating postage.

>>14715615
You can get a "specialized" one for over a hundred or you can get a scale from aliexpress/amazon for less than 10$ and wrap it with saran/plastic wrap to protect it. Use your phone/watch for timing.

>>14714968
>newfriend
>Cancerous cuck who ruins his own life

kek. Bet you're white and over 25bmi too.

Just had some Americano from a local coffee place.

Tasting notes: burning tire, burnt tire, tire, rubber shoe sole, caramel

>>14715615
Acaia lunar because I'm a chad consoomer.
Not worth it, the special modes suck. Looks and feels nice though.
Gdealer ds1 (or however it's branded) is pretty good for espresso. Cheap, responsive and accurate, fits on the drip tray. Hasn't broken yet.

>>14716726
>Not worth it

Incredibly worth paired with a SEP.

>>14716204
(((hobbyist))) resorting to grade schooler insults when pressed up against the wall

>>14717346
The word misery has its linguistic roots in miser. One who is trapped in a perpetual cycle of spending his comfort to horde wealth. The only problem is wealth is relative, so you're broke in the broad scheme of things AND you're living like you're broke. Smart men invest their spoils in themselves and the things they enjoy. Wait I mean (((invest))).

>>14715615
hario, got it for 30 off ebay new
a little delay but once you get accustomed to it and learn to stop 2 grams prior you're good 2 go

>>14717331
looks useful if you have a lever or flow profiling machine but I don't. I was looking for something to spend my next paycheck on, thanks for the tip.

>>14717486
>I spend all my money on what the paid sponsored tell me to and that’s a GOOD thing!

>>14717486
>p-please waste your money on my vapid (((hobby))) g-goy, what will Breville do without you?
The amount of shill that's overtaken your brain is truly profound. Enjoy the nursing home.

>>14717682
Definitely fun to play around with. This was a little on the "strong" side, slightly astringent, but zero bitterness. Probably drop down to 16.7 and grind slightly finer next. I really enjoy my 15g doses so I'm trying to dial in around that range.

>>14717954
>Breville

Plastic junk. I know they look fancy when you're window shopping at william sonoma, but do some research before outing yourself as a moron repeatedly.

>>14718207
What machine are you using with your SEP?

>>14695499
Thanks turbo autistic faggot. Why don't you give us a thesis on your favourite anal lube

Will Decent satisfy my autism for years to come? I heard it's a black hole all your time and OCD gets sucked into.

>>14718459
maybe. you could also start home roasting to have complete autistic control over your coffee.

>>14718542
I think I need to become a Yemeni warlord and seize all the best coffee farms there.

>>14718207
>look at my (((hobbyist))) graph goys my coffee is .001% better than yours! LOL
How many levels of kike are you on?

S H I T T E D

>>14718724
You've nearly burned through your 2gb data plan homie. Save some posts for the end of the month.

>>14697716
Why thermoblock?
Get a Rancilio Silvia and a good quality hand grinder.
Refer to this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn9OuRl1F3k

>>14704862
What machine do you have? Jelly that you were able to get a profiler.

>>14718228
>>14718875
Flair signature(old basket) until I get bored of it then we'll see. Kind of want a cremina next but bottomless portafilters for it are literally more
than I paid for this dumb press. Could get a pavoni but I don't really like them. Could go espresso forge for standard vst baskets, but the guy sold his cnc mills and who knows if they'll be back.

>able to get a profiler

Fucking ordered it in april and just got it 8/17.

>>14718856
This guy looks like a nonce

Ehat hand grinders are actually good for getting a good pour over grind? Also would love a hand grinder that is good for french press.

>>14719053
Sorry all hand grinders are for espresso autism. There are none that get good even grinds on a medium or course setting.

>>14719007
>Fair

Got the Signature too. Lever machines with the SEP sounds fun. Looks like there wouldn't be any issue taking the profiler from the Flair to a Cremina later on.

>>14719053
I make good v60s with a timemore chestnut c1. I use a pretty fine grind and 13g dose though. I don't fuck with french press but I hear you should grind decently fine for it as well.

>>14719016
He’s not a nonce, he’s just queer. He knows his shit though.

For me, it's Ana Sora.

>>14718754
Nice

I'm just going to say it
African coffee sucks
It's not good, some fruit notes are not worth the overwhelming acidity bomb that is african coffee.
There is nothing wrong with a good medium roast south american coffee.
Also well made blends > single origin every day.

>>14721973
I don't like acid bombs either. 3rd wave roasters do because they and their clientle burnt out their coffee flavor receptors and need something "different" to sell at $15/bag. It's not good, you'd be better off drinking tea for those kinds of flavors imo.
I roast african beans dark enough to mellow out the acidity and make redditors seethe. I love it.
Colombians can be acidic as well though.

>>14722325
>I roast african beans dark enough to mellow out the acidity
Absolute legend

I had this yesterday. It fucks mothers and is delicious.

>>14718841
I accept your concession of defeat with grace. Continue shouting names at anyone who dares not drop less than $1500 on your bourgeois (((hobby))) and continue funding Israeli companies, banking, and state interests. Kike shill.

>>14694802

>>14694802
People don't call Asians soulless for no reason, I guess.

Imagine what kind of a person would UNIRONICALLY do this.

How do you take your coffee?

Has anyone ever tried a coffee enema?
Serious question not shitposting.

Is there a noticeable difference between espresso produced by different machines? For example, is espresso produced in high-end commercial machines like Synesso or Black Eagle markedly tastier than one produced in a bargain basement machine sold under restaurant supply store house brand like pic related?

>>14723586
Of course
Huge difference
It's not even close really

>>14694802
Coffee, Coffee; Coffee!
caffeinated
urinated
indoctrinated
IM INSANE
plus im dry on beans

>>14723690
Not even being sarcastic. The cheap machines suck at providing even heat and pressure

>>14699687
think about alcoholic coffee.
now think about beans.
magic dreams!

>>14694802
>tfw part of a religion where you can't drink coffee

>>14723690
>>14723810
Can you taste the difference between a pretty good machine like Nuova Simonelli Appia and an ultra high-end like Slayer Steam though?

>>14723113
This is what happens when you let an aluminum moka pot leech too much into your nervous system.

>>14723834
Mormons are such frauds. Enjoy your fucking energy drinks and shitty underwear that rubs your nipples

>>14724115
They just put in a megatemple by my house a few years ago. Fucking ruined my skyline. Neighbors are weirdos who vacationed to Utah as soon as they recommended restricting travel. I was roasting coffee outside one day and I overheard one of them offering another neighbor a bag of coffee they bought on the trip.

>Yeah we don't drink coffee we just saw this and picked it up

Wut.

I should've taken a picture but a boutique grocery store near me expanded their coffee collection.

What are some good decaf coffees I should be trying out?

>>14724564
>good decaf coffees
Good
Decaf
Pick one
(Drink dandy blend instead when you want decaf)

I just make coffee in a french press.

>>14722325
Some fruity ones actually taste better at a full city. Coffee autism is full of people doing what they're told to do by the collective.

>>14724920
>tfw people actually got super angry when a roaster in Vancouver dark-roasted Gesha

>>14725108
Or just stop buying from them so they take a financial hit for being stupid. The problem fixes itself. Don't buy badly roasted coffee.

>>14725169
Lol madd as fuck because some coffee got city roasted go cry about it
>Not the Gesha nooo
Lol it's coffee

>>14725190
I'm not mad. I don't pay the 150% roasters' tax because I put a little time and effort in. My point was that instead of being butthurt, people should just not buy bad products. If the business doesn't learn the lesson it goes under.

>>14695635
Hey dumbass, this would literally be the most interesting contribution to the thread, as long as it doesn't sound like your fuckin blog it can be as esoteric as you want

should I get a niche or an even more expensive meme grinder?

>>14725377
Option-O Lagom P64 for maximum meme

>>14725386
I think a monolith would be maximum meme

>>14725377
get a niche now and an expensive meme flat burr grinder later for variety

>>14725353
Everyone bitches when I post roasting logs.

>>14725377
You literally don’t need a better grinder than a Capresso Infinity, anything better is a meme.

What's the optimal price range for coffee I get for a V60? Grinder is a Timemore Slim.
There's a local roaster that sells at 7€/250g, most specialty brands in Europe like The Barn start at double the price.
Are there good supermarket/cheap brands to go for a medium/light roast if I just want "good" coffee instead of something special or are they just inherently worse?

>>14695635
Please post. I hope to be promoted to roaster at my work and reading the charts and learning how to roast is pretty interesting.

>>14726234
https://www.cuperuskoffie.be/koffie/specialty/
This is the cheapest specialty coffee i've found that still roasts properly. Some supermarket brands have a specialty coffee line that can be decently roasted but you can't guarantee freshness. It's a bitch that specialty coffee is expensive.

>>14723344
Black, like my men

>>14724115
I don’t get why Mormons are not supposed to drink coffee. Is it because of the caffeine or because it’s a hot drink? Apparently Mormons can drink soda, so it can’t be caffeine. And they can drink hot chocolate, and hot herbal tea, so... I don’t get it.

Has anyone here try Cameron’s Coffee? They have a variety of blends, but some of them are pretty cheap on Amazon. This blend is $4.75. I’ve only had their Breakfast Blend and Kona Blend and thought they were pretty good.

>“hey anon! We heard you’re a big coffee drinker, so here’s a a bag of coffee as a gift!”

>artificially flavored

>>14726558
Their holy text is vaguely worded on the subject. It says "no hot drinks", by which you're supposed to infer coffee and tea (i.e. caffeine) but leaves the specifics up to interpretation.

How do you convince someone that Keurig coffee is fucking shitty?

>>14695530
>Tfw actually enjoy a can of Mr. Brown's Taiwanese brand of shitty canned coffee

>>14696273
I don't want to drink coffee that's been shit out by a human, that's gross

I’ve got some city-roast Ethiopian Yirgacheffe. How can I pull a shot that isn’t sour? I have a regular sized basket, so I’m limited to 15, maybe 16g doses. Should I dose smaller and grind really fine? Or dose larger and grind fine but extract for longer time?

>>14726594
So cold brew is ok?

>>14726889
No.

>>14726597
you don't
as long as they're not proselytising how great it is, let them enjoy what they enjoy
environmentally trash though, wouldn't support it even if it tasted good

>>14694802
Holy autism.

>>14714872
It's a pluot (PLEW-ott). Re: apricots — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcod3IWG1HM

>>14726860
first I would leave the dose and grind as usual and try increasing the output to get more extraction, but don't change more than one variable at a time.

i make a better cup using hoffmemes technique than the 4:6 method

>>14725410
why not just get the flat burr if that's the endgame

This shit right here is amazing and I regret nothing about it.

Fuck, this Ethiopia Sidamo is excellent.
Can taste the vanilla notes clearly and I am an absolute tastelet.

>>14719063
I like the helor but a friend suggested it to me (and also got me into coffee after giving me some chemex) it seems like there's a ton but electric grinders aren't bad either.

>>14726585
>Thanks I'll try it out!

They tried

>>14727559
You need one to satisfy your autism (vertically mounted flat burr grinder) and another to actually use because it's convenient and reliable (Niche).

>>14725386

Le happy merchant grinder

>>14727559
personally I faced the same question and ended up preordering a niche.
there aren't any flat burr grinders in that price range that I liked, I don't want a vario or any other hopper grinder in my home. everything else costs twice as much as the niche.
also for me the endgame involves at least 2 grinders since I use a few different brew methods and always have multiple coffees in rotation, so the niche could be an endgame grinder.

>>14697592
I got a pack as a gag gift years ago. Its just coffee. The difference between it and Community,Folgers, or Maxwell's is nil.

>>14723344
Depends honestly. If its really good, black.

I'm going to repeat the question of >>14697716, but from the perspective of one who has even less knowledge.

What is the best "prosumer" (hate that word) espresso machine? Is the Breville BES870XL a meme? It certainly seems like one, with its integrated grinder and steamer. I'll raise the budget of the previous anon and would pay $3000 for a durable, no-frills semi-auto machine.

Also, is the Baratza Virtuoso a good enough grinder for espresso?

>>14727819

New thread
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