/ck/ - Food & Cooking

because he's too busy taking bbc

Niggerfaggots and coofs.

>>14625658
Homosexuals have drove him out of business.

>>14625677
akshually he's still in business and he has made a ton of money from private donations from other christcuck fundies, and he even has a book deal; all his legal help was free/paid for by christcuck orgs

his business wasn't even fined by the state

>>14625686
thats a myth

>>14625709
which aspect of what I stated is a myth? Everything I stated is factual. The irony being his reasoning, Christianity, is solely rooted in myth yet you never question that lol

he nutted up?

>>14625713
*tips fedora*

>>14625779
>haha look at me I'm so cool I believe in magical sky wizards like everyone else to justify my hatred and dehumanization of minority groups!

>>14625796
you need to learn some values you mate

>>14625870
hating people for belonging to a group different than your own is not a value

>>14625898
you have no idea what christianity is.

>>14625919
What I do know is that anytime you state a hateful belief, that belief is entirely your own, regardless of your affiliations.

>>14625796

>>14625924
If we're talking about op, expressing a belief about the role of marriage or sexual expression is also not hatred nor dehumanization.

>>14625927
you can insult me but at least I don't believe in magical sky fairies that force me to hate certain groups of people

if you said you see magical green fairies, you'd be looked up in a loony bin, but call it religion and you get tax breaks

>>14625933
he's allowed to say what he wants, he's not allowed to refuse service (an action) based on them being gay (which he did)

saying "we don't serve your kind here" is absolutely rooted in hatred and dehumanization

if he saw them as humans, he would try to understand why they wanted a wedding cake, but of course he dismisses them with few words because he doesn't see them as humans like him

>>14625950
>believers in magical sky fairies are stupid
Ok, fair, but
>Buttsex on the other hand.
Seems a bit hypocritical

>>14625796
Kill yourself

>>14625950

>>14625796
Nice fedora you enlightened turbo sperg.

>>14625971
there's nothing remotely hypocritical

same sex attraction is not a hateful act nor a valid grounds for hostility towards those who experience it and act upon it

>>14625950
He was a small time pastry baker that saw homosexuality for the mental sickness it is, and wanted to respectfully decline performing business with them pin-to-pin connectors to distance himself from that act and shame them in an effort to express disgust with the gays' lifestyle as well as sexual orientation, hopefully begging for some self-reflection or atleast spare him from further interactions.
It's not very complicated. I wish the best for him.

>>14625994
Right I'd much rather be friends with ass fuckers then fairy believers. The former seem so much more level headed.

>>14625658
america would be objectively better without brown people and homosexuals

>>14626003
Except it is incredibly disrespectful (and unlawful) to refuse service on the basis of membership in a protected class in the state he conducts business in.

When you open a business to the public, you don't get to pick and choose your customers, because you are getting access to the full revenue stream a publicly accessibly storefront allows.

>>14626035
People who take cock up the ass should not be a "protected class", they should be shamed and ridiculed.

>>14626035
If it's against the laws, it is against the laws.
Morally, I am saying he is a small time shop owner who isn't out to maximize his revenue stream, but he is also out to shape the small society he lives in and also the people he has to interact with.
I don't think it's disrespectful to tell a man to leave a women's locker room, neither to tell a small business owner to make up who can enter their (sole) store.
If it's a bigger business, things are entering politics for sure. Since it's capitalism, there is no choice but to maximize revenue stream, unless you are in for some wacko social games.

>>14626052
Your opinion of the law doesn't alter its validity. Again your personal hateful beliefs don't make you immune from the law.

>>14626058
The point is he cannot profit by selling wedding cakes to gay couples, at the expense of gay couples if his business is open to the public, he has to serve the public, or not make the item (he chose the latter).

>>14626072
The law sounds corrupt if it's protecting faggots. It honestly sounds like some faggot got into a position of power, then decided to create a law that forced people to tolerate his own deviant sexual behavior. At this point, I'd say the "law" is compromised and should be disregarded, especially considering nobody else (see: niggers, spics) are following them.

>>14626072
Mmmmm

>>14626035
Also, you have to realize how dramatic the change of western social norms have been. This man, and probably not a single careless boomer, could've imagined "common consensus" on 11 year old drag queens being lawful and lawless, immoral wastelands of behavior. The contrast between the 50's and the 2020's are maddening.

>>14626072
Those are all legal terms in the US (if they even are), numbnuts. Irrelevant to a discussion about the actual moral reasonings behind the matter, and at most showcases the malfunction of the legal aparatus, whether your views are "kill the police" or "ban the gays from media".

>>14626090
No, the law would be corrupt if it were privileging certain religious groups at the expense of the human rights of minority groups and their enjoyment of and access to public marketplaces.

>>14626107
Homosexuality is as elective as a religion. Referring to one as a "religious group" and another as a "minority group" is disingenous.
Also It's not a public marketplace, it's a private business.

>>14626113
Except there's a wealth of science showing that being gay is not a choice, whereas religion is 100% a choice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation

People cannot choose to become attracted to a different sex, and being different is not inherently harmful.

It is a public storefront, if anyone can enter, it is open to the public, and therefore subject to laws regarding public accommodations. It serves as a public amenity, it is not a private club.

>>14625658
He made a wonderful trap cake for me. Maybe he doesn’t like regular gays

>>14626107
>certain religious groups
>at the expense of the human rights of minority groups

In this case, the minority group is infringing on the right of this individual to not bake a cake. That's clearly a case of corruption, the law favoring the feelings of a sexual deviant over an individual who disapproves of their lifestyle. The sexual deviant can go to any number of other bakeries that would indulge their filth.

>>14626113
Until its social media then it's muh monopoly and big daddy government (Trump) needs to come in and stop them from "silencing" your views on their private platform.

>>14625796
I don’t hate homosexuals anon, but the science clearly states that they are mentally ill and disease ridden. I have to trust the science

>>14626122
Being gay may not be a choice (Though that's a debate). Engaging in homosexuality is.

A "public" store would be something that is government owned retard.

>>14626072
Also, it's not federal law to be disallowed to refuse homosexual customers, and Colorado is not full of idiots like California from what I've seen.

>>14626127
Do I look like I use social media?

>>14626126
He has a right to not sell cakes altogether. What he does not have a right is to sell an item only to people in the groups he likes, in a way that discriminates against people who belong to protected classes. These classes are protected for a reason, because they have been historically the targets of discrimination and are vulnerable to that without the intervention of the state.

The state has no rational interest in privileging the beliefs of certain religious groups who don't like gays (not liking gays is not a tenet of ALL religious groups).

>>14626138
You're using social media right now dumbo

>>14626139
Discriminating against someone who electively chooses to take cock up the ass is a perfectly understandable position to take. Would you like to associate with someone who eats cowshit?

>>14626132
>Being gay may not be a choice (Though that's a debate). Engaging in homosexuality is.

a tax on yarmulkes is a tax on jews

>acting on being black is a choice

see how silly you sound?
>>14626133
it actually is now because of the recent Supreme Court ruling in bostock v clayton county

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bostock_v._Clayton_County

but even short of that state law prohibited discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation when the service refusal occurred

>>14626161
>a tax on yarmulkes is a tax on jews
>>acting on being black is a choice
>see how silly you sound?

So did you just give up?

Imagine being so buttblasted you'll stop selling any version of wedding cake because some faggots asked you to make them a cake. Real snowflake hours

>>14626139
He does have rights to handle his small shop though. There is nothing dangerous about mom and pop stores discriminating customers, Walmart will bulldozer them away anyway and they will do everything the banks and big media say, you silly. Open a competitor Gay Up The Dick store and you will probably beat them out of business with your Grindr hook-ups. Seriously.

>>14626139
>What he does not have a right is to sell an item only to people in the groups he likes, in a way that discriminates against people who belong to protected classes.

He certainly has that right, the individual has freedom of association, which would include the freedom to do business with whomever he wants. To put this in perspective, if a faggot bakery decided that they were not going to bake a wedding cake because they hated Christcucks, do you think any of the legal authorities would care? I certainly wouldn't, the faggot individual is within his faggot rights to not do business with someone he doesn't want to. The state should not be used as an enforcement arm for special interests, be they Christian or faggot, but that depends on the people in charge of creating/enforcing/interpreting the law.

>>14626098
This is the hot take. Regardless of your perspective on the issue itself. Some people are just never gonna accept the change because it has been so fast and large. We're gonna have to wait for boomers to die off.

>>14625796
I’m not really religious but I hate cringe worthy cunts that act like you. Why do you act so superior over believing nothing?

>>14626163
No, he's discriminating on the basis of their sexual orientation. Them both being men in a relationship is the cause for his discrimination. He didn't ask if they were sexually active, and if one of them were a woman, he wouldn't have refused service, so it is also sex discrimination which has been federally unlawful for decades.

>>14626166
His rights are limited by him having a public storefront that acts as a public amenity, much as a hotel cannot determine that certain groups cannot stay in their hotel because of personal animus against those groups.

>>14626165
I'm actually pretty sure the reason he had to stop was because of the legal precedent that was set. Now, if someone wanted him to bake an anal vore cake he would be forced to do so because anal vore perverts are a protected class, and they could sue him into oblivion if he refused to make an anal vore wedding cake just like the faggots did.

>>14626180
Because at least I'm not blaming my hatred on other people/myths. At least I take accountability for my own actions and beliefs rather than claiming I was pressured into them by mysterious supernatural forces.

>>14626190
Wow it's so impressive that you just decided out of the blue to defend butt fuckers. Truly a noble cause and ideology that will take us far.

>>14626201
People who are different than you have a right to be treated with respect.

>>14626201
The only good thing about faggots is that they don't breed. Thankfully, their ascendance will be short lived, as long as we collectively decide to never let one into a position of power ever again.

>>14626204
Maybe they should start be treating themselves with respect.

>>14626161
Hmm, I am not entirely convinced it's actual since that case handles employees which should be dealt with as another matter regardless of stance.
"... that discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity is necessarily also discrimination "because of sex"". Alright, these folks' are plain stupid. If you are going to make a gay modern argument, you would definitely not be able to deduce orientation from sex. What hokum.

Let's hope modern society falls before most non-pozzed asshogs anal rings burst and start leaking excrement by their mid thirties. I'd rather have soft-headed, herd-mentality nazi idiots than what doors will open as this age continues. Kind of like prefering a frozen patty toast burger compared to some avocado, soypatty pickle burger. I am not pleased.

>>14626204
>people who are different than you
>people who choose to engage in immoral and disgusting behaviour.
These aren't the same thing. Different does not mean decent.

>>14626208
If one member of the gay couple had been of a different sex, they would not have been refused service, thus the service refusal occurred due to their sex.

>>14626212
You don't have to approve of everyone you meet and everything they do to treat them with respect.

>>14626035

Youre such a fucking faggot. Should those salon girls also be surd for refusing to wax that fat tranny faggots balls?

Why should he be forced to make something that makes him uncomfortable? He didnt refuse service to them because theyre gay, he wouldve made a cake for any gay person for any reason other than a gay wedding because his beliefs are that marriage is between a man and a woman. Thats fine; GO TO A DIFFERENT SHOP!

Jesus christ i want to hurt all of you little tyrants

>>14626218
If one member of the gay couple had been of a different sex, I doubt they would've been gay.

>>14626218
>You don't have to approve of everyone you meet and everything they do to treat them with respect.
That's not what I said.

>>14626220
Correct because Canada prohibits discrimination on the basis of gender identity. If you cannot perform genital waxing on all clients who are women, including trans women, you shouldn't offer the service in the first place.

>Why should he be forced to make something that makes him uncomfortable?

basically because it makes the gay couple FAR more uncomfortable to be refused service, they are being publicly humiliated and disrespected and dehumanized because of something they cannot control

>>14626220
The worst part is that because of this "protected class" nonsense, if the opposite was true (a faggot baker refusing to make a straight wedding cake), there would be no court case. It's protection for faggots and nobody else because basically everyone hates faggots, and for good reason; they're disease ridden, disgusting, cancerous wastes of resources.

>>14626230
They can control their actions. Being gay does not mean you need to act gay.

>>14626220
To add to that, I am pretty sure that normal men have walked in to that store together and bought cake. Hell, if these guys weren't so vocal about belonging to the gay lifestyle, they would have gotten service. Especially if they had a severe need to get it from this one specific small shop (they probably didn't).

>>14626230
If it's a fake woman it isn't a woman, it's a man.

>>14626230
Fuck off faggot

>>14626232
If there were an actual case where a gay baker refused to make a straight/christian wedding cake and the court said that was ok, you would have a point, but that hasn't happened. One of the tests of these laws is that they have to be applied neutrally. There actually WAS a law prior in Colorado that simply banned discrimination against gay people and it was thrown out in court because it didn't also protect straight people.

>>14626243
See the problem here then is that the concept of straight and gay ISNT neutral. Straigh gay and other sexual expression concepts are malleable. They're modern inventions, sexuality could be looked at any number of ways. Favouriting a "sexual orientation" above other models is biased and un-neutral.

>>14626232

Im not gonna go that far, i personally dont care, but when they start stepping on other peoples toes who are just minding their own business thats when i get heated.

>”i dont think our company is a good fit for the work you wish to commission.”

By this retards logic, going into a tattoo parlor and requesting a portrait of adolf hitler and getting turned away because the artist doesnt feel comfortable doing it is reason for a lawsuit. I want to smack the shit out of him like his parents didnt.

>>14626237
Which adds to the argument that this is all about morals. It's about social norms, and ENFORCING morals on society. This whole dispute isn't about "fair judgement", it's about how a country should be run, and how a society should function. Since there are no clear codes of behavior, what seems as the easiest option to think of is "allow everything, then nothing can be bad!". Pedophiles will be tolerated, and cheered. There is no counter to it.
PS: meant to reply to this post >>14626218 in my previous post.
/ckpol/ is boring, I want more Jackposts. We need a new, other Jack.

>>14626230

>women have dicks

LOL. Okay, we are being baited. How is it publicly humiliating?

>i dont feel confortable with your request, but i can refer you to somebody who will cater to your needs

Wow so fucking humiliating.

Lmaoing at the seething homophobes ITT. You lost the culture war and we're never going back. Deal with it

>>14626204
Says who?

>>14626261
We're going back after society collapses and you people fail to have children. Enjoy your chink/Jew overlords and their nigger/spic pets.

>>14626261

Okay pedo advocate

>>14626122
>being gay is not a choice
Maybe...but sucking dicks and taking it up the arse IS.

>>14626260
It doesn't matter if you don't feel comfortable when the person being refused service is going to feel far MORE uncomfortable for being singled out.

>>14626261
I kno rite their salty, salty tears a delicious.

>>14626263
state + federal governments

>>14626237
I hope I look this good when I'm his age

>>14626271
straight spic actually get to breeding white boi you are being replaced ;)
>>14626274
Cope

>>14626282
Yes, it's going to be a glorious and amazing future. Pic related.

>>14626282
As a Jew I fully support white Christians being replaced. Look how whiny they get when you challenge their power to be assholes to everyone not precisely like them.


Bring your friends, Pablo!

>>14626292
I'm Epstein, (Yeah I'm not dead), I just want to say fuck those guys, all a bunch of sex slaves that belong on the end of my dick.

>>14626280
>state + federal governments

Which you need police to enforce. Who will enforce Tolerance© in the Tolerant Zones™ when rule of law is gone? The Tolerantists are vocal about wanting police defunded and ultimately abolished.

>>14626280

How can you quantify discomfort? And so just because youre offended that means i have to suck your dick? Theyre not being denied rights lol. How old are you?

I bet if he was a muslim cake maker nobody wouldve said shit

>>14626301
You actually don't really need police to enforce that. You can pretty easily mail someone a fine for non compliance with a discrimination law or a summons and nobody is suggesting to defund judges. Also if they really cared they could easily turn off the dude's water or electricity, again with no need to involve police.

>>14626310

This is why i am stockpiling guns. Look at these totalitariian fascists. Its fucking scary

>>14626322
Sounds like you should be stockpiling water and electricity.

>>14626310

You do know that water and power are privatized? Lmao you are such a god damn retard its astounding

>>14626322
Again, your guns are not going to really do much if they turn off the power or water to your business. You are dependent, utterly, on the state, and thus have to follow their rules, even if your magical sky wizard has other ideas.

>>14626310
>>You don't need police to enforce law.
You are jesting. What if the guy doesn't care if the power is off, or water is running, and the bills keep rotting on the front door? I don't think the private police companies that will soon appear be any fairer, not at all.

>>14626332
>thus have to follow their rules, even if your magical sky wizard has other ideas.
The fact that you keep bringing this up when like no one here is even debating religion proves you're obssessed.

>>14626310
>mail someone a fine

What if they don't feel like paying the fine or showing up to your "court"? Under ordinary circumstances, the police handle this predicament, as it's considered "evasion" and is anywhere from a misdemeanor to a felony.

>easily turn off the dude's water or electricity

And "the dude" who is paying the utilities companies could put a bullet in the skull of the dude flipping the switch. Remember, there's no police.

>>14626332
You do realize people can be, and som are, disgusted with homosexuals regardless of religious beliefs right?

>>14625796
T.reddit

>>14626346
It literally doesn't matter what irrational beliefs you hold towards minority groups. You can keep them to yourself or you shouldn't be running a business open to the public in the first place.

It's not like he had to have a public storefront. He could have an online-only store, or an at-home business, in which case he would be exempt from public accommodations laws, but if he want access to the stream of commerce coming in from public access, he has to serve unpopular minority groups and popular majority groups alike.

Simple as.

So much cope in one thread
>what if they don't need water or electricity?
kek simply kek

>>14626360
Uhuh, butt fucking is totally rational.

You hold no animosity towards women who partake in anal sex, and many do.Your animosity is towards people dating the same sex, which is wholly irrational.

>>14626368
Are blowjobs rational?

>>14626377
Got a source for that?
>>14626379
No

>>14626360

what if some neo nazis went to a baker and wanted a nazi cake for a nazi celebration; the baker refuses. says he isn't comfortable with the work being commissioned and they should find a baker who better suits their needs.

grounds for lawsuit?

why do you hate personal freedom so much? why do you think it's justified to FORCE somebody to do something they are uncomfortable with?

>42 U.S.C. §2000a (a)All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.

you have no idea about that which you speak, child. you are very confused about how the laws on discrimination and those protecting personal and religious freedom work.

eat shit, faggot

>>14626360
>minority groups

Sexual defects are literally 1% of any population group.

Do you now, or have you ever, agreed to the idea of the 99% eating the 1%?

>>14626392
Nazi's aren't a protected class. Simple as. You can seethe and seethe over and over but fact of the matter is gays are a protected class and nazi's are not.

Seethe.

>>14626382
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0181198

After researchers surveyed more than 2,000 men and women about their sexual behaviors, they found that nearly 43 percent of men and 37 percent of women reported having anal sex with the opposite sex in their lifetime.

>>14626392
neo nazis are not a protected class

>>14626377
I do hold animosity toward that as well though. Homosexuality is still worse than heterosexual sodomy for sure.

>>14626407
It's not a seethe on his part, it's a legitimate logical conundrum. The whole protected class business makes no sense, legally or morally, unless you view it from the position of a person in power who happens to be a cocksucking homo and wants his own perversion to be legally immune to criticism.

>>14626428
>Homosexuality is still worse than heterosexual sodomy for sure.

arbitrary and capricious


>>14626429
It does make sense. Protected classes only become that after sustained periods of discrimination requiring state/federal intervention.

>>14626332
>You are dependent, utterly, on the state

The rural retards have wells, crops and wildlife abundant, and they regularly utilize all of them. They also don't slurp up welfare dollars like it's champagne. It's the cityfags who would face true hardship. This is the way it's always been.

>>14626424

i'm not seething about gays, i literally support gay marriage and equal rights. i also support freedom of speech and freedom of personal opinion/ideology and not being forced to do something you don't want to do in a FREE society.

go to a different baker, jesus christ. you people are so god damn selfish and self centered; literally unable to see past the point of your own stupid noses

>>14626452
Rural areas are still heavily dependent on government services and welfare in many cases.

>>14626429
It is a seethe, homophobes and racists are mad they've lost the culture war and want everything to bend to their whims. Ain't gonna happen so deal with it or an hero makes no difference to me. Double standards are based especially when they're dunking on dumb asses like you lmao

>>14626407
As previously mentioned, hasn't the '64 Civil Protection act still not been amended with a sexual orientation class? Regardless, the protected classes are clearly arbitrary chosen from whatever popular liberal agenda that massive corporations and bankers will profit from.

>>14626204
Faggots aren't people

>>14626458

>daddy government steps in and punishes anybody who dares to have their own personal beliefs

you are sick. i can't wait until we get the government you want and you realize what a horrible mistake you've made.

>>14626463
Maybe you should have listened to liberals instead of sucking corporate cock. Now the roles have reversed because conservitards are being left behind. No pity from me.

>>14626445
It's worse on the grounds of inherently promoting hedonism. Atleast a woman can produce a child, which is always a blessing even if population control is important.

>>14626463
>hasn't the '64 Civil Protection act still not been amended with a sexual orientation class?

not by congress, but due to the supreme court's ruling in bostock v clayton county the sex provision now covers gender identity and sexual orientation as well, not to mention in the masterpiece cake shop there was a separate state law explicitly banning discrimination in public accommodations on the basis of sexual orientation

>>14626460
>Double standards are based

See, this is the thing, you people are never, ever arguing in good faith and it should be abundantly clear by now that the only thing you're after is power. At this point it's basically a civil duty to exterminate you before you actually do get some kind of political power.

>>14626472
I am not a conservative though, and I am not following what the corporations are advocating for.

>>14626460

>homophobes and racists are mad because they want everything bent to their whims

he says, with zero sense of irony. lmao. people just want to be left alone, it's not like the baker was out harassing gaybois at their wedding. he was MINDING HIS OWN BUSINESS, as everybody should.

why does everybody have to agree with your lifestyle? as long as they aren't actively oppressing you through legislation or whatever, just shut the fuck up

>>14626463
>'64 Civil Protection act still not been amended with a sexual orientation class?
It wasn't amended, but the Supreme Court confirmed it already covered it a couple months ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/us/gay-transgender-workers-supreme-court.html

>>14626484
>>14626487
Just reaping what you sowed far as I'm concerned.
>>14626486
You would if being a chud was the zeitgeist

Maybe the "based zoomers" will help y'all. LMAO

>>14626484
This coming from the people seething that they lost the power they never deserved in the first place, and abused. Being more numerous doesn't make you more virtuous.

>>14626487
being gay is not a lifestyle, it is an innate biology. Nobody chooses to be gay, thus nobody is choosing to be harassed for being gay.

>>14626510
>Nobody chooses to be gay, thus nobody is choosing to be harassed for being gay.

Then why do they constantly act like flaming fucking faggots? Also, what is the point of faggot marriage if they aren't going to produce children to continue their bloodline? None of this bullshit makes any rational sense.

>>14626510
We're more virtuous by the simple fact that all we're asking for is a quiet, peaceful, prosperous nation where people are left alone instead of the third world totalitarian hellscape that you people desire.

>>14626510

how is somebody not wanting to bake a specific cake harassment? lmao. again, how old are you?

>>14626480
>bostock v clayton county
Yes, and their entire argument was interpreting "Sex = Sexual orientation. lmao." I suppose the social games wouldn't work if it was upfront and honest. It was clearly passed, but not on solid grounds. Not that it matters sadly.
It was also only regarding the employees section, not from what I can see regarding costumers.
>>14626510
Eh, it's a mix. It's not 100% a biological, forced on you DNA situation, and not innately social. I wouldn't want to see genetic epileptic fits glamorized and cheered on as something good, at most that the patient can live with it regardless of their struggles. I would guess you to support MtF, FtM fuckery too, but then say "the biology is self-conflicted, it's not the brain that's wrong it's obviously the body!".

>>14626517
You don't question women who act feminine. Probably something not yet understood relating to biology. Meanwhile you are choosing to be sexist.

You realize surrogacy and adoption exist and there are plenty of infertile straight couples, right?

Would you go up to an adoptive family and screech at them for not being a real family?

>>14626532
Its sort of funny because gay people just want to be left alone but instead you feel required to humiliate us in public and then wonder why you are losing the war legally and culturally. You are the ones being aggressive and hostile, not us fren.

>>14626538
Because he is harassing them for being in a same sex relationship and singling them out in ways he does not towards customers in opposite sex relationships.

>>14626551
I mean if a gay man was attracted to men as a woman, he wouldn't be hated, so that is literally due to his sex. Sexual orientation is a combination of your own sex, and which sex you are attracted to, so you cannot say sex is not involved.

>>14626517
if you're married you get to do things like handle adult things a lot easier like estate handling, taxes, hospital-visits, if they adopt it simplifies ownership of the child. Marriage isn't about just kids, its about keeping the house you two lived in when one of you kicks the bucket.

>>14626556
>Its sort of funny because gay people just want to be left alone

So rather then go to another bakery when they're told that the baker doesn't want to bake a cake, they decide to turn it into national fucking news and ruin the baker? That's "wanting to be left alone"? You are deluded.

>>14626564
Because it isn't our burden to have to go elsewhere because you don't like which group we belong to any more than a black person should have to eat at a different lunch counter because the owner is racist.

>ruin the baker

he still has his business, a book deal, and made tons of money from private christian donations, if anything he has milked his bigotry for all it is worth

>>14626569
Being black is something you can't choose.

Being gay is.

>>14625658
Because sodomites are flaunting their degeneracy in our faces.

>>14626571
*being gay is something you can choose.

>>14626569
But it is your burden to get into a drawn out legal battle with the expectation of a payday for yourself rather than go to another bakery? Again, you people are insane.

The average faggot will have upward to 500 sexual partners in its lifetime. Imagine thinking this is normal behavior.

>>14626587
>t. seething virgin

>>14626587
>tfw every single piece of popular media produced in the last 5 years has been an attempt to get the masses to think that this is normal behavior

>>14626581
I mean people in the 60s who held sit ins at segregated lunch counters could have eaten elsewhere but choose not to because it is about the larger issue of being shunned and excluded from society on the basis of things you cannot control.

Religious people are choosing to be hostile, and thus are rightfully getting btfo in court for doing so.

You can easily just make the cake and move on with your life, but no, you want the power to control other people's lives, and you are not going to get it.

>>14626596
At this point do we call this a "debait"?

>>14626458
You seem like you're born and raised in an urban environment and aren't sure of what life is like outside of that. The rural buffoons help each other in big ways and in small ways every minute of every day. They hold doors open for each other, they share their food, they help carry each other's groceries, they always say please and thank you, they keep their noise down to a minimum out of respect even though they're football fields apart. They keep their grass at a reasonable height because they don't want others to think they're too lazy to mow their grass. Even the poorest grow their own food, and some put a sign at the end of their driveways letting passerby's know that they're willing to sell some of it. And they're still around! Sounds nice, doesn't it? But, those people are bad and need to die out because... why?

>>14626596
You want the power to force people to do things they don't want to do and you are getting it, do you not see the problem with this? The faggots in this case are being hostile towards the religious person because they are in actuality forcing the religious person to do something they are uncomfortable with. The faggots are the ones imposing their will on the religious person instead of the other way around, the religious person has a right to not bake a cake if they don't want to.

>>14625669
100% this.

>>14626596
It's not about controlling other people, it's a political struggle about choosing what kind of society to live in, especially when it's your home country that your family has lived for "practically forever". No one is innately fairer in such a strife without further development into details.

Gays reproduce by raping boys.

>>14625669
Only good post in this tangentially-/ck/ thread.
+1 Niggerfaggots and coofs.

>>14626616
Larpers trying to pretend to be "rural" is always funny.
>mowing their lawn to keep up appearances
You sound like some Texas suburbanite thinking because you're 10 minutes from some crops and have an acre of yard that you're "rural".

>>14626616
Your weirdly romanticized vision of rural life doesn't alter the reality that many rural areas are heavily dependent on state and federal aid despite whatever pioneer spirit they fashion themselves in.

>>14626617
Yup, same as black people have the power to eat lunch at restaurants owned by people who don't like black people.

Stop trying to control who gay people date, because gay people are never going to all go straight just because you try to shun them. You are wasting your time.

>>14626624
It is quite literally about trying to control other people's behavior. He wants gays to live in secret and he doesn't get that right. You don't have to approve of everyone else's life to treat them with respect.

>>14626643
and you want people who are disgusted with homosexuals to be forced to be around them.
That's not respectful at all either, and it's not hard to understand that this is not a religious conflict, but a political and moral one.

>>14626653
Yup, if they own businesses open to the public, that means you cannot pick and choose your customers. You can easily open an at home business where you are free to be more picky if that's an issue for you.

>That's not respectful at all either

I respect that he has strong religious views, I don't respect that that gives him a right to discriminate.

>>14626643

>it's quite literally about trying to control other people's behavior

the hypocrisy and irony is too much to bare. you are immature, angry, and ignorant. you are a child with the reasoning abilities of a toddler.

the baker wasn't trying to control the gays. the gays were trying to control the baker.

>>14626669
I mean it is pretty childish to be upset that not everyone likes women like you do. Why not just accept that people are different than you and stop trying to fight them?

>>14626661

he would have sold them a cake! he just didn't want to put what they wanted on the cake! holy fucking shit dude, it isn't like he went

>NO FAGS ALLOWED, ROT IN HELL, QUEERS

he said he wasn't gonna make that specific cake. they could have went with something else!

>>14626671

i'm literally not. i support gays. some of my best friends are gay and they are on my side with this one.

>fuck that baker, just go to somebody else. i wouldnt wanna give them my money anyway.

is their attitude

>>14626661
You should be able to pick and choose the customers in a small, one store shop is my moral point, even if it's not at home. When it comes to more than such, it's definitely a bold political stance to allow discrimination on the customer base, since indecency cannot be stopped.
It's not a pure religious support he is getting. Most of those people who support him are probably morally supporting his stance as well. Of course it's not a "pure" support group, but gays aren't popular because of gays themselves either. That's why it's a gay lifestyle and a gay orientation, and never the gay orientation that is solely supported.

>>14626676
>he just didn't want to put what they wanted on the cake! holy fucking shit dude, it isn't like he went

actually that's not true once they said the cake was for their wedding he declined to make it without ever discussing what kind of cake it would be or what would be on it

>>14626680
Again, gay people shouldn't have to go somewhere else, he should have to not discriminate, or not offer the item in the first place (he chose the latter). How was the gay couple to know he doesn't make gay wedding cakes? They had no way of knowing and were publicly humiliated. You don't actually support gay people.

>my friends are black I can't be racist

You can be racist and have black friends.

>>14626681
But that's not how a public accommodation works, legally. In exchange for access to a full commerce stream (a public entrance) you agree to not discriminate unlawfully, and he couldn't follow that simple rule.

>>14626637
>Larpers trying to pretend to be "rural" is always funny.

Definitely rural here and all of it is true. I'll give you my address and a link to the census bureau demographics.

>>14626695
Yes, he broke the state law of Colorado from what I can gather from their anti-discrimination law.
That is not interesting to discuss however, since it's all dogma. No difference from it and the laws in the old testament, and hell those old, weird, and sometimes completely arbitrary laws are easier to follow (simpler societies, you know? not much to worry about in multitude, only in magnitude, in difference to Current Year + 5.).

>>14626695

>publicly humiliated

dude. do you know what "publicly humiliated" means? they went public with it.

so my gay friends don't support gay people? they agree with me and disagree with you

>>14626735
they chose to make a complaint with a state board, appropriately, they were humiliated in a public shop, and the baker chose to dox them iirc and post their addresses (which were in the original complaint) on facebook, and THAT was mainly what he got in trouble for in the end, but that part is rarely discussed.

It just seems like so much work devoting this much hatred to people for being different from you when you could just accept that you are not the only way the world works.

>>14626695
>>14626735
When it comes to gays being singled out for their gay shit, even when it's non-sexual behavior in public, it's clearly a matter of whether homosexuals should be tolerated as normalized, positive behavior or not. I have a clear "anti" stance on that issue.
I don't think the "dude, my friends" guy gets this.

Anyway, smell ya later faggots. Don't put penetrative stuff up your bum, as that will ruin your colon!

>>14626735
Your totally real and not fake for conveniences sake gay friends are cucks and simply don't have the balls to tell you that you're a retard.

My very real gay friend was much like that when he lived in our hometown. A "based gay", if you will, until he moved where he was more accepted and didn't have the put on a facade to fit in.

>>14626751
asking for a wedding cake is not a sexualized behavior in public and I think this conflation of being openly gay with "you are being super sexual!' is part of the problem.

It's simply more work to exclude people from society than to just accept that you aren't going to love everyone you deal with in a business environment. Since when did you have to feel every customer at your restaurant was normal or positive to feed them?

>>14625796
You need to remove yourself via death you fucking kike. Why don't you visit a "peaceful" BLM protest and yell the N word out? That would be helpful.

>>14626748

>just bake the cake, bigot
>just wax my balls, bigot
>just let him touch the child, bigot

we are so doomed lol

>>14626751

clarify what you mean

>>14626769

these are gays who live in seattle. they are HARDLY a marginalized people there.

>>14626772
Aight, let me clarify since it got a reply.
I think most people want to be in a society where everyone is normal and positive to some degree, so it is that simple when it comes to something as basic as feeding someone.
If you want it to take it to obvious extremes, I would never serve a 300 lbs lardball person a meal. That person should fast, or at most eat something small at home. A rotten human being, who needs to get their shit together.

>>14626781
Gay acceptance is a myth. Gay people have learned they will be easily shunned or excluded if they stand up for themselves so they often try to conform to what they feel is prevailing sentiment, even if they don't agree in their hearts. It's a shame you waste this much energy in your short life holding hatred for others.

>>14626786
What you view as normal and positive isn't shared by everyone and you don't have a right to dictate how others can behave. Some people view you as not normal or negative, and should you be punished for that? When the shoe is on the other foot, everything changes.

>>14626748
You're full of shit, even the eternally leftist wikipedia disagrees with you

>Craig and Mullins visited Masterpiece Cakeshop in Lakewood, Colorado, in July 2012 to order a wedding cake for their return celebration. Masterpiece's owner Jack Phillips, who is a Christian, declined their cake request, informing the couple that he did not create wedding cakes for marriages of gay couples owing to his Christian religious beliefs, although the couple could purchase other baked goods in the store. Craig and Mullins promptly left Masterpiece without discussing with Phillips any of the details of their wedding cake.[2]:2 The following day, Craig's mother, Deborah Munn, called Phillips, who advised her that Masterpiece did not make wedding cakes for the weddings of gay couples[2]:2 because of his religious beliefs and because Colorado did not recognize same-sex marriage at the time.

>While another bakery provided a cake to the couple, Craig and Mullins filed a complaint to the Colorado Civil Rights Commission under the state's public accommodations law, the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act, which prohibits businesses open to the public from discriminating against their customers on the basis of race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation.[4][3]

>>14626789

lol what? do you read the things that you write or do you just smash your face against the keyboard til you have a nonsensical paragraph of words?

>said multiple times im for equal rights for gays
>say multiple times i have zero problems with gay people

gays are LAUDED in seattle. absolutely PRAISED for being gay. it's why so many of them are insufferable, all they have is their sexuality that they choose to throw in people's faces incessantly. it's no different than an obnoxious frat bro who all he talks about is slaying pussy.

great, we get it, i understand your sexual orientation. i don't care who you fuck. being gay doesn't make you interesting

>>14626799
Where in that wikipedia quote do they disagree with me? Nothing I said is contradicted by any of that.

You are again ignoring the fact that LATER Jack Phillips chose to put the gay couple on blast by putting their complaint on his public facebook page that contained their home address.

>>14626807
equal rights means enforcement of non discrimination laws, which you don't support.

>all they have is their sexuality that they choose to throw in people's faces incessantly

you realize most tv shows and movies are about straight couples falling in love, right?

What you are really saying is you are ok with gays as long as you don't have to know about it (which means you are not ok with gays in the first place). I hope you can come to find some peace from your hatred. Gay people can live openly without it being done to throw anything in straight people's faces. You just want a double standard where straight people can be totally open about their relationships but gays have to hide.

>a thread that should be on /pol/ is still up and almost at 200 replies
Gee, would nice if the mods did their job for once.

>>14626797
You aren't being honest with your arguments. All you want to do is force your own opinion, which you will, and you will call it "the right thing". Just like preachers will call codes of behavior God's given word. See-through-holiness.

>>14626808
>You are again ignoring the fact that LATER Jack Phillips chose to put the gay couple on blast by putting their complaint on his public facebook page that contained their home address.

The burden of proof is on you, friend, considering the Subsequent Events portion of the same page is completely devoid of what you claim.

>>14626820
>nuh uh you just secretly hate gay people
Always with the relativism until it's no longer in your favor. All morality is subjective except that set forth by a perfectly moral being. If you don't believe in God, the entirety of your belief system is founded in nothing.

>>14626838
oh the irony

>>14626835
They participate in the threads until they get BTFO then they delete.

>>14626797
Of course there is a right to dictate how others can behave. Otherwise, kids screaming in class would never be disrupted and the non-rotten apples allowed to hopefully flourish.
What's up for moral debate is the degree of personal freedom, which class of behavior to be relegated and for what reason.

>>14626838
I am being as honest as I can be. What I want is for people to question their knee-jerk negative reactions to gay people.

>>14626846
I don't believe in God and I don't really care what you think about that. I don't need excuses for my beliefs because they aren't hateful like yours.

>>14626850
>3 day ban at best
I wish someone would dump a doujin or some sort of port to accelerate the process.

>>14626875
Islam is right about women.

>>14625950
>he's not allowed to refuse service (an action) based on them being gay
He didn't mind them being gay, he refused to write something he disagreed with.

>>14626820

what? people can be gay without being obnoxious faggots. i don't want to see two straight people making out same as i dont want to see two gays making out. you keep making i irrelevant points.

i'm talking about acting like obnoxious fags. that's where people take issue is with obnoxious people. we get it, we don't care. just be a normal person who happens to fuck dudes. nowhere in any of my posts did i say i want people to be closeted or not hold hands or be affectionate toward one another publicly lmao you are a fucking retard. a gay fucking retard.

>most tv shows and movies are about straight people falling in love

BECAUSE, *NEWSFLASH*, MOST PEOPLE ARE STRAIGHT

>>14626875
Then I am fine with that. I think disgust however is a natural reaction for a straight male when spotting a gay one. It's ungentlemanly however to display this I'd say. Of course there is no need to act rude either, as all calm creatures should be treated with respect.
Even though we are of opposite stances, it's been quite a smooth sailing! I've learnt more of current burgerstanian political events, I'd say.

>>14626920
cancer is natural as well

>>14626935
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19419899.2017.1328459
I meant in the above fashion, not in a maxim statement.

>>14625686
Seems like a pretty based way to get rich off of christards

>>14626943
Those findings were never replicated. That you find certain groups of people icky doesn't give you a license to mistreat them. You wouldn't like it if you were mistreated.

>>14626875
You can't legislatively force people to like others, and if you try to, you end up with gay couples trolling businesses with trivial suits. Gay marriage is federally allowed, and gay people can claim tax breaks that were ostensibly meant to encourage married couples to reproduce. Gay-only scholorships, preferential college admission, and preferential job selection are the norm. Gay people get parades, makeup lines, and several TV series centered specifically around their sexuality. The couple was not denied the ability to marry in a church, or a marriage license from the state. They were not denied a venue or a church for their ceremony. One cakeshop owner declined to make a cake for their specifically gay wedding, "although the couple could purchase other baked goods in the store." The fact of the matter is that there is no endemic anti-gay thread rippling through the cake shops and flower shops in America. If there was, you might have SOME ground to stand on. There are legitimate practicing people of various religions. Regardless of what your intent is, you are attempting to wield the government as a hammer to attack others, under the guise of tolerance. The harm done to the cake shop guy in terms of lost business and personal grievance are much greater than the shame of being rejected.

>>14626944

>>14626954
I don't think finding actions disgusting is mistreatment, especially when it's courteous and reactions hidden. Obviously, doing things on based on instincts and emotions are not a way to live life and base it on. That was not what was on the plate though.

>>14626957
You aren't being forced to like anyone, just being forced to not refuse service to customers who are part of protected classes if your business has a physical storefront open to the public.

>trivial suits

you view it as trivial because it does not affect you and you are not targeted for discrimination, if you were, you would feel differently

>Gay marriage is federally allowed

because of a narrow court ruling and there is fierce opposition to adding that to federal law as a proper statute, still

>gay people can claim tax breaks that were ostensibly meant to encourage married couples to reproduce

those tax breaks have always applied to infertile and childless couples as well, having children was never a condition of the marriage license

>One cakeshop owner declined to make a cake

and he had done it before to others and would have kept doing it if he weren't appropriately stopped by government authorities

he certainly wasn't the only one doing it, he was simply one of few cases where the service refusal was made public

if you had to shop at multiple venues to obtain things others could easily obtain at any location, you wouldn't be a happy camper either

>although the couple could purchase other baked goods in the store

they specifically were looking for a custom wedding cake, as were many, many other couples who entered his shop, the only difference being their sexual orientation

>you are attempting to wield the government as a hammer to attack others

which is precisely what you do with religion, only the difference is the baker initiated the hostilities

>>14626968
That's the whole point, he didn't keep his reaction hidden, he singled out the gay couple. When have you ever been singled out for your orientation?

>instinct

that disgust could easily be learned socially/culturally and your study certainly does not prove that disgust is innate

>>14626275
>>14626132
>You should be miserable and alone your whole life because I am as well.

>>14626988
When it comes to behavior being learned socially/culturally, so could homosexuality. Especially when crossdressing 11 year olds are tolerated in mass media.

>>14626997
Except there's a wealth of evidence linking sexual orientation to biology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation

>>14626127
Do you expect consistency from them?

>>14626988
In that case it wasn't the reaction. He didn't want to assist, as a small shop owner, in bringing a gay marriage to fruition, most likely.

>>14627009
Then he shouldn't own a business open to the public in a state where sexual orientation is a protected class. He's free to do another job where he doesn't have to interact with the general public.

>>14626250
Your example is not discrimination of a protected class, this is. If you are open to the public, you are open to everyone.

>>14627004
>>14627004
I am not saying it's a clear cut biological function, or a clear cut social/cultural one. I am saying, that, as an instance of where there is a suspect amount of social gays, there are mostly likely a lot of autistic, lonely people who get hold of HRT hormones and become socially gay, for instance.Because they are lonely, impressionable, mentally ill (autistic, depessed), horny teenagers with missing parents and routine.
People who have defective genitals and/or defective androgen production are also prime candidates for gayity, and in that case it's a clear cut genetic issue.

If you ever needed proof the faggot mods participate in threads until they're BTFO notice the reddit complain thread getting removed with a swiftness but this garbage off topic shit is still up.

>>14627047
I don't think people are looking to become gay when most people are fairly hostile, either openly, or now, more commonly, silently, towards gay people.

>>14626480
Imagine the seethe when the homophobic churches are forced to hold gay weddings.

>>14626982
I didn't say this suit was trivial, legislating that people must like others would lead to trivial suits. Stop straw-manning
Attempting to downplay the fact that gay marriage is federally recognized is dishonest. They are free to marry whomever they want. It is fact.
>because of a narrow court ruling...
Following your logic, the only way gay marriage will ever be truly safe is if everyone is compelled to like and agree with it, which is thought policing. Marriage the historic institution was about ensuring women didn't starve and that men would have children that were biologically his. Marriage the religious ceremony is about an oath before God. Marriage the government document is a form submitted to a court. None of these guarantee that people will like gay people. Neither would mandating bakeries make cakes. But it's not about being liked, it's about lording over others with your superior beliefs.

Yes, the bakery owner is free to decline people. This follows logically. Again, there is no endemic crisis of bakeries. A small subset refuse specifically gay wedding cakes. 99.999% of them don't. The fact that they're still willing to sell shows civility rather than the unending bigotry you accuse them. I know you hate it when your enemies are humanized because it makes them harder to attack.
>the baker initiated the hostilities
this is a lie, the baker declined services, the couple turned it into a lawsuit.

>>14627004
There's also a link between single motherhood and sexual orientation, as well as childhood sexual abuse.

>>14627055
>if I say they're btfo, that means they are
the brigading discorders are painfully obvious

>>14627070
I don't think you need to actively look for something to instill a need. There's a reason hobbies "just pop up" in your mind as something you should do, and then they are rationalized after the thought and after the trial (which most activies should be, as in logical find a reason behind it. it's a shame the word is mainly used pejoratively).
Also, I've never met a single person hostile to gays, at most old boomers talking about fairies being gay, and young guys calling a meek soul a fag.

>>14627070

>they're silently hostile

you have such an inferiority complex that you're paranoid people are judging you even when they're probably not thinking about you at all. that's impressive.

why do you feel the need to be oppressed? is it because the more oppressed you are, the more social credit score you get in today's society?

>>14626680
>I'm not a racist, look at my black friends!

>>14627100
Biased shit fuck face jannie/mod is painfully obvious. Enjoy handing out your temp bans when you decide to delete dumbass

>>14625658
Because faggots constantly flooded him with frivolous lawsuits
ALL faggots will hang from street lights

>>14626280
>>>14626260
>It doesn't matter if you don't feel comfortable when the person being refused service is going to feel far MORE uncomfortable for being singled out.

Here is where your argument crumbles. Feeling uncomfortable is subjective ergo you can't tell which person is feeling more uncomfortable. The baker didn't do anything wrong legally or morally. Not baking the cake for a gay couple is discrimination but forcing him to bake it is discrimination(against his religion) too. Again, just like being offended is subjective being discriminated against is subjective too. When you are backed into this corner you will resort to group thinking; the minority deserves the privilege of the white male to bake the cake. But this argument is thin. If the baker was black you would side with him. If the baker was crippled you would side with him.

In the end it all comes down to this. Baking that cake makes the baker subscribe to ideas he is against. Forcing people to think a certain way is morally worse than a gay couple forced to buy a cake in another bakery.