/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>14605627
it's literally in every definition of the word a meme
beer is considered low class and richfags just care about appearances

>>14605627
It's conspicuous consumption. Something that you can show off to your friends when they come around for dinner. Although traditionally a lot of upper class families had wine cellars, it's becoming increasingly nouveau riche.

That being said collecting wine is a hobby I enjoy, and I don't just buy wines that have prestige.

>>14605627
because beer is rough and plebeian and liquor is too hot for californians

>>14605627
Everybody likes wine. It's just too expensive a hobby for most people.

Beer is considered the poor mans drink. Its what you imagine the unemployed or homeless drinking, the stereotype is some trailer trash or Mexican migrant sitting on concrete steps with a brown paper bag.

For wine its really more so the extreme ends of the spectrum, its either single 40 year old women buying those 2 gallon jugs for $10 each or sme rich asshole buying a $850 bottle of Screaming Eagle just because he saw the price tag. 90% of people who drink wine only know that reds go best with heavier meals and whites generally go with lighter meals. 9% pretend they know about wine but couldnt tell you shit in a blind taste test and the remaining 1% actually knows something.

>>14605671
I think you're conjuring these images from 20 years ago. Whilst still not emblematic of the average consumer, there are a lot of drinking subcultures now that are just as common as the rich guy with the expensive cellar.

Beer and wine consumers seem a lot more diverse these days.

>>14605627
Because its better and poor people have no taste so they continuously make excuses for drinking inferior beverages. "iTS JUST aS gOOD guys I SwEAR"

Where my sherry chads at?

>>14605702
Based. I got a bottle of Equipo Navazos single barrel Manzanilla that I can't wait to open.

>>14605711
So open it and make some hash browns you hot cunt

>>14605627
Beer makes me bloated before I can drink enough to get a buzz.

>>14605627
What a fucking plebeian. Can't even afford a wine cellar. Disgusting.

Wine wasn't always a rich man's game. Common people could afford a lot of wine until the Chinese and their commiebucks got into the game and destroyed pricing for everyone.

>>14605702
I bought some ximenez spinola to drink on sundays when i visit my mom.

>>14605627
>>14605640
As the middle class grows in wealth and begin adopting wine collecting, those in old money will probably drink something else to disassociate from those of new money.

It is part of the stupid cultural song and dance. Bugmen chose to latch onto wine because it has always been associated with class and is easy to drink.

I prefer whiskey, burbon and cigars but this is something that bugmen hate so you will never see anyone talking about their whiskey and cigar collection.

>>14605671
i'm part of that 9% lmao
ah yes, very fruity... is that a hint of cherry i detect?

>>14607006
Like what?

>>14607099
Aborted fetus blood

Wine is one of the only beverages that improves with age, which means there's a fun collecting and trying to wait aspect. There's also wine in virtually every price point, so you never really grow out of it. I think the conspicuous consumption point is only partially valid, since brand recognition is much more limited compared to say, scotch. There are tons of great, expensive wines that won't get you clout, that people buy because they're great wines.

I've got 3 bottles of 2001 D'Yquem on the way, will make a thread when I decide to open one.

>>14605627
you don't need to love wine a ton to have wine storage, you only need to be not poor

Because is the patrician choice.

>>14605627
Personally I'm a fan of gin.

>>14607120
Isn't it supposed up age in barrels, though? Once bottled, does it still improve?

>>14605627
This cellar is retarded, too much light.

>>14607174
tl;dr yes
very very small amounts of oxygen makes its way through cork tops and some specialty screwcaps, causing the wine to soften and slowly oxidize. Usually this means the fruitier aspects of a wine fall off and the secondary flavors like oak, earth, and spice become more prominent.
There's also ongoing change in tannin structures, which are constantly binding and breaking apart. Given a long enough timeframe, the larger, more angular tannin chains will all bind together and fall out of suspension, leaving you with a bit of residue at the bottom of the bottle, and a much more silky feeling wine on the palate.

>>14605671
Beer is a terrible drink for the poor.
Hard to steal, just imagine stuffing a case of beer in your jacket. It's heavy so you can't even run with it. You also need massive amounts to get properly fucked up. Stealing beer is less about not being noticed and more about not getting caught on site.
If you've got a reliable brand of ethanol-based cleaners you're better off with those. Nowadays with every place having hand disinfectant for customers you can either steal those or empty them into your own container. Used to be much more difficult when disinfectant was only available at hospitals cause those motherfuckers know you been stealing their shit.
Though it's really preferable to steal legit spirits, preferably in plastic bottles so it's more lightweight and less noticable. Tastes better and is safer.

it's for people that have a hard time appreciating good liqour but want to appear rich, yes wine is good and you can like it, but to not have any other kinds of liqour is lame, and probably because the person is a w*man who can't appreciate scotch/sherry/cognac/Armagnac etc.

>>14607211

He said poor, not alcoholic hobos.

>>14605627
All alcohol is expensive, so it's all a moot point anyway.
t. Oliet Bang's Old Thyme Aficionado and General Carbonated Beverage Expert

Can they be a low-key asset like silverware or trading cards?

>>14605627
Amazing how people have been conditioned into thinking that fugly furniture is anything but trash.

>>14605627

>TV above fireplace
>couch close to TV

Literally the worst place to put your TV. Might as well put the TV on the ceiling.

i think wine is pretty dope myself, but i'm an alcoholic so i can't imagine my opinion matters much when it comes to taste

if i had the space and time, i definitely wouldn't mind a cellar with hundreds of bottles to choose from

it's very comfy to open a bottle before dinner and whet the appetite. it's usually like 10% abv or greater so you can get a buzz started pretty quick.

>>14607247
yes but the returns are ususally worse than equivalent stocks. They don't meaningfully appreciate until 20 years down the line unless you get your hands on something rare like a 2008 salon, which only 8000 bottles were produced

On the other hand, 2016/17 were the last pre-tariff vintages so these will likely appreciate faster given that the younger wines will all jump in value.

>>14607247
Yes.

To me that's a big part of it. I can buy a couple of cases of nice wine and be almost sure its gonna double or triple in price in just a few years.

>>14607174
no aging in barrels is for whisky. if you age stuff too long it just tastes like charred wood and it's gross. you want to bottle it. people collect old shit because certain years were good or something

>>14607177
Just gonna say. The amount of UV damage that wine will undergo makes it fucking worthless.

>>14605627
Probably the same reason middle class and poor people love wine, at least here in the coastal states. It tastes good and it makes you feel good.

The real question is why do scared fragile flyovers get so triggered by things that taste good? If it's not HFCS or from a box it's considered elitist food for putting on airs. Why is this? Why is liking good food political suicide in this country?

>>14605627
Wine appreciates in value. Wine can be collected and used as collateral like art. It's the thinking man's habit.

>>14607042
Help me get into whiskey and bourbon. My parents used to have some and I always preferred that stuff to wine. Also I’m definitely seeing wine being memed about in a non-ironic way as a signal of “class” and it’s turned me off forever.

>>14607042
Whiskey and cigars is peak artofmanliness numale faggotry
Nothing wrong with the stuff itself of course

>>14607275
Why don't they age it in large glass containers?

>>14607567
they often do

>>14607539

>t. bugman

>>14605627
Wine costs close to nothing in France. You can get great bottles for less than 5 eurobucks, decent for 3 if you know your shit.
Don't give in to the pretense that old/costly wine is better. It has a different flavour but that doesn't make it superior.
pic related, cheese goes great with the fucking thing.

>>14607589
Stop being so defensive over your fedora hobby

>>14607567
I think they use the 55 gal plastic drums for that sort of thing. they're standard for a lot of foods.

>>14607606
I use 55 gal bbq sauce barrels for my rain catchers. they smelled like a bit of chlorine when I bought them used

>>14607595
>You can get great bottles for less than 5 eurobucks, decent for 3 if you know your shit.
You cannot get anything that's considered decent among civilized people for less than 10 euro.

>>14607120
Unless you know what you're doing, you're not aging wine in your cellar, you're rotting it. The longer you wait, the more chances there are that it will be oxidized or taste like cork.
Drink the fooking thing anon.

>>14607612
I live next to where Gaillac is produced. We have fantastic reds for 3 bucks. Believe it or don't, it makes no difference to me.

>>14607624
>it makes no difference to me.
because you're a peasant, sipping "rustic" red while wearing rubber boots. how would you even be able to appreciate the beautiful things in live?

>>14607624
Actually let me back up a bit.
We have a vineyard that does a great organic Gaillac, red or white, for 15 euro. They're 5 liters boxes and are great for up to three months and then get progressively oxidized.
That's 3 euro a liter, even cheaper than what I previously said (which was 3€ for 75cl) but it was due to the pandemic so it was a one time thing.
Still, if you know where to look you can get great cheap wine. If you're a ruffian you can pay dearly for a bottle of vinegar.

>>14607663
what a cope, you're probably not even french

>>14607643
No, because I don't base my appreciation of something based on what others say of it.
>>14607666
Nice try satan but I am very much a dual wielding baguetteer although I lived in Ireland for a nice amount of time. Great people, terrible wine, much better ales.

>>14607042
In terms of bugman affinity:
beer>whisky>wine/other spirits>cider

>>14607643
god this post is cringe

>>14607616
>taste like cork
retard detected

>>14605627
Money laundering though sale/resale of ultra rare ultra old wines, same thing as with artworks.

>>14605627
>>14605640
No idea.
Here in Australia wine is for poorfags and University students.
When beer is $50 for a 24 pack and liquor starts at $70 a bottle you bet your ass University students are gunna stick to $9/gallon wine bags.

>>14610209
Depends on the wine but you're right otherwise.

>>14605627
wine is collectable and beer is not.

rich people collect things because they can afford to

>>14610374
Certain beers are though.

>>14610209
really Australia?

Why haven't you killed your government leaders yet?

>>14610822
Most people who can't afford it have switched to meth by now.

>>14605627
My rich uncle died and I helped clean out his house. Although I didn't inherit anything I was gifted 5 bottles of wine in his cellar for my help. They were worth about 1500 dollars. I drank them all and they weren't that much different than a 50+ dollar bottle of the good stuff. They were definitely nice, but the difference was so damn minor that I just wish I sold them and got something else.

and before anyone bitches at me they were definitely stored properly. He was a wine freak with 200+ bottles down there.

It's one of those things where lazy people can just buy something that is expensive and then claim to have a hobby. No real effort needed, just order shit and store them.

You'll never see a richfag actually have a real creative hobby that requires effort.

>>14610888
Yeah the quality difference between $50 wine and $300 wine isn't huge. No one really disputes this.

A lot of $50 wines could become $300 wines if they were praised by the right people.

>>14610897
You have to be a richfag to buy a vineyard though.

>>14610888
>weren't that much different than a 50+ dollar bottle
You don't have the palate to appreciate the subtle differences.

>>14605627
It's just a generalization on your part. Lots of richfags don't even like wine, they just buy it because believe it or not, wine is a very good investment (providing you don't drink it all). It can stay good for as long as you wish providing you have a good cellar/proper temperature controls and it can be re-sold for much more money later on when there is less of a certain type of wine in circulation. Also many regular people like wine. Chilean and Argentinian wine in my opinion is the best cheap wine for your dollar. For myself I have drunk very expensive wine and very cheap wine. I rarely ever spend more than $20 on a bottle. If I really wanted to I could spend more but it's not necessary unless you are a true wine connoisseur (most people are not, and this is verified in studies, most people even "experts" can't tell the difference between cheap and expensive wine). Beer is great but I don't like that generic pisswater like Coors Light. Good stouts or ales are nice with fish and chips.

>>14611035
It's only worth investing in wine if you put it in a bonded warehouse.

If you're not and you don't like wine, you've wasted your money.

Also depends on what you mean by 'cheap' and 'expensive', but even morons can tell the difference between cheap and expensive wine.

>>14611136
If you give someone a blind taste test of two wines (let's say a $40 bottle vs a $250 bottle) most won't be able to discern the difference. This is a scientific fact. Anyone who insists they can tell the difference, especially online, is a pretentious cunt. There is rarely ever a good reason to spend more than $25 on a bottle though. Even the self-proclaimed wine connoisseurs can't tell the difference between a cheap or expensive bottle of wine a lot of the time. The fraudulent wine market is a thriving enterprise. Look into the case of Rudy Kurniawan and how he scammed millionaires and billionaires. Interesting stuff.

>>14610082
We call that "bouchonné" but I know better than to expect people on 4chan to understand more than one language.

>>14611035
People are going to lose their taste for rare and expensive wine bottles, it goes against the whole eco-sustainability zeitgeist. Expect prices to drop massively once gen-z is starting to have families and boomers and xoomers are dying off. Same with whisky and cognac.

>>14607120
Bottle-conditioned, high ABV beers also improve with age, maybe even more so than wine.

>>14611217
Since when is $40 wine 'cheap'?

Also it depends on the style. There is a large discernible difference between $40 Burgundy and $250 Burgundy, for example.

>>14611230
I know what TCA is, but it develops right after a wine is bottled.

>>14611217
I think it's an issue of semantics. It sounds like you're saying that past a pretty accessible price point ($25 in that example), a bottle of wine isn't going to taste significantly better to be worth a major expense. I can agree with that, but the issue is that the dividing line between "cheap" and "not cheap" (because I'd assume most people have another point in the middle between "cheap" and "expensive") is going to be very different between the millions of people who drink wine regularly.

>>14611239
The complete opposite is true. The most expensive wines are only going to become more expensive as rich Indians and Africans get interested in wine in the next 100 years.

Also the most expensive wines are the most likely to be sustainably produced.

Only mass market wine is going to experience a price drop as less and less people drink.

>>14611250
It's not like many people have been cellaring beer for a long time, but I would expect beer not to last as long due to lower acidity and tannin. The sugars in beer probably help though.

>>14611265
You don't understand, collecting luxury goods is considered boomer cringe and doesn't fly anymore with Gretajugend. They have an entirely different value system. Rich kids from Singapore that go to boarding school in Switzerland might grow up to become avid wine collectors but they are a small minority.

>>14611281
Yeah yeah, everyone under 40 is a superpozzed progressive.

>>14611320
I don't know what "superpozzed" means but yeah, young people were mostly raised by the principles of equity and inclusiveness and obsolete concepts or ideals that they're boomer grandparents used to maintain will appear alien and outdated to them.

>>14611331
I hang around plenty of young people in finance and accounting and I can definitely see some of them building a cellar some day. Ditto with a lot of the guys who went to my school.

Just because you're surrounded by progressives doesn't mean everyone else is.

>>14611334
>i hang around plenty of young people
Haha, ok grandpa, you're still hip to the young folks' lingo. I actually am young and I'm just telling it the way it is.
I think you're just coping now that you've come to the realization that inheriting your father's collection isn't going to pay for your retirement mansion.

>>14611355
I'm 26 years old. Are you trying to tell me about what 19 year olds are going to do with their money when they haven't even finished college yet?

>>14611375
Yup and it's obviously upsetting you a lot for some reason.

>>14611378
Ok Zoomer.

Because wine names sound fancier and have more artsy labels.

>>14611355
It's not about age but about money. Poor young people with no degree believe in inclusiveness, career-driven young professionals are going to be next gen boomers after the coronacrisis is over.

>>14605627
I want to watch kinos in that comfy room

>>14605684
single wine aunts are more a thing than ever

>>14611424
Where I live, career-driven young professionals ride bicycles, live in shared housing together with 2-3 other families, engage in urban gardening and exclusively buy food from farmers markets. Fancy commodities of yore have lost their appeal, some gated community in Singapore or Dubai made up of banksters and diplomats may differ, of course.

Beer has a short shelf life and beer is best when it's fresh as possible so it's for immediate consumption. Not everybody likes going out and buying beer all the time. You'll never know the feeling of having a large selection at home, all the time and the numerous conveniences that offers. You'll never know the feeling of walking around, looking over your selection and spending an hour ruminating at your own pace with no rush over what you're going to drink

>>14611561
Not true of all beers as said earlier in the thread. But it's true that you won't have a selection as good as you would with wine.

>>14611269
The alpha-acids from hops fill the role of tannins in beer. You want to keep the beer away from light while you age it, though. An earthenware bottle of Hertog Jan Grand Prestige, for example, will keep indefinitely.

>>14611561
>drinking green beer
>drinking top fermenting beer before it has been bottle-conditioned
Not all beer is Miller high life.

>>14611449
You clearly live in a bubble man.

>>14611937
Not that guy but he's kinda right in regards to Euro urbanites. Leaving a small footprint is the new luxury.

>>14605627
because it's the juice of the Gods, beer is the poor man's piss. you dolt.

>>14611953
I agree, but there are still plenty of Euros that don't want to live like that.

>>14612028
Whether they want to or not, they're gonna have to.

>>14611980
you better be female

>Live in Sweden
>Have alcohol monopoly
>Compare prices of wine if bought in store or from online alternatively importing internationally
>Regular in stock wines often cost less than half in store compared to ordering it somewhere else (without adding shipping)
The advantages of being fucked over by the government who buy shit in bulk.
Probably still cheaper to get it in the country it's produced locally.

>>14611980
Look I really like wine too, a lot. I drink red, white, and even chilled rose in the summer when it's nice and hot. But I also enjoy a good cold pint of frothy ale with my fish and chips. There is absolutely no reason for this pretentious attitude you have. Fuck you.

t. grew up in a rich family but learned how to be humble from an early age cause my parents didn't spoil me like a cunt. Fuck you.

>Hot summer day
>Enjoy beer, white wine and Sangria
>Spicy meals
>Red wine, beer
>Fish meals and sallads
>White wine
>Just whenever
>Anything you feel like
If you drink stuff when it shines the most there's no reason to shit on any of it.

>>14610209
t. Never been to a gathering of over 50s. Its all wine. Fuck wine.

>>14612063
>t. grew up in a rich family but learned how to be humble from an early age cause my parents didn't spoil me like a cunt. Fuck you.
Rich kids emphasizing their supposed humbleness because they feel entitled to honorary streetcred status are peak cringe and hypocritical to boot.

>>14605627
You can get sauced and still pretend you are being classy. If you sit down and crack 13 beers in front of other people they will look at you. If you discreetly drink 3 bottles of wine no one will care or notice.

>>14612063
Imagine getting this worked up over a throwaway post on a McChicken imageboard.

>>14612063
being rich doesn't mean you are classy. now go drink some piss-ale with your oily chips and fish.

>>14612084
>noooo you have to be a stereotypical pompous asshole you can't just try to be a decent person and not treat others like garbage 24/7
Ok well in that case fuck you come clean my floors maid bitch.Imagine being such a pretentious faggot you rip online for drinking beer. Genuinly hope you get hit my a car and lose your legs.
>>14612096
I'm angry because my brother ate all the caviar and you're an aids infested faggot

>>14612089
if you weren't a retard what you would like to be?

>>14612098
The only people that act like you are those who grew up poor and retarded, and then decided to try to act rich and think buying some moderately priced food and drink makes you fancy. It's cringe and retarded. Nobody upper class does this and you're a pleb no matter what you drink or eat. You can take a piece of trash out of the trailer park but you'll never take the trailer park out of the trash. It's part of you wherever you roam.

>>14612098
Based Parker boomer.

>>14612116
kek

>>14605671
you can't even get the big cans of cheap shit for $1 anymore. now they sell 12 oz. 4 packs for $20.

>>14612106
>>14612063
The day of the guillotine is coming

>>14612116
Based the pretentious wine fags need to be given the rope

>>14605627
because wine historically marketed very well to rich people, and because a lot of wine is just insanely expensive so it becomes a status symbol rather than something bought for its own merit (which is just marketing).
This is much less true of younger generations, rich Millenials will probably hold fancy beer in nearly the same regard as fancy wine

>>14612132
I'm going to tell you a story. When I was in grade 11 there was this kid at my school who was openly communist. He pissed me off a lot because he was one of those communists who came from a pretty decent upper middle class background (father a dentist, mom a law clerk). Nice home, always had his videogames, etc. And yet he couldn't stop his pathetic anti capitalist rants on facebook, all his "equal rights" rich people are evil type of crap. Me being raised by my rich parents to respect others, I tried my very best to ignore his bullshit. But about halfway through the school year he started getting vulgar with some of our class calling us snobs, fags, etc. This was a private school by the way. Once in gym class we were playing soccer and he purposefully tripped me. So after school I challenged him to a fight off the campus and beat him to a pulp in an ally. I got expelled for that but it was pretty fun. Communists and for that matter, leftists especially the ones like you who hate the rich despite partaking in elements of their lifestyle like good wine and food and other materialistic crap are the biggest hypocrites to walk this planet and you need to be put up against the wall.

>>14612157
Why do you think anyone would read this?

>>14612157
The only reason to still be this hung up on a schoolyard squabble is (a) you're still in high school or (b) you're a complete fuckup failure. I hope for your sake it's the former.

>>14612167
be honest anon, you read it.

>>14612157
You know you condemned that kid to leftism for the rest of his life, right?

>>14612170
Good luck with your revolution you faggot even if you managed to repeat what Trotsky and Lenin did, you shitty society would only crumble and burn again.

>>14612157
based
>>14612170
cringe

i'm voting trump btw

>>14612188
FUCK OFF /ck/ is strictly a Biden and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez board! Go back to /pol/ loser, you guys are not going to re-elect Trump he fucked up the country.

>>14612196
cringe

>>14612196
AOC is unironically awesome though, what's not to like?
>waah waah she makes my pee pee feel funny
Join the club incel

>>14605671
what's it like living in the 1990s?

>>14612205
Uhhh I think you might be a retard because I really like AOC and proudly jerk off to her when my overweight girlfriend is sleeping. Why did you reply to me?

wine is the official drink of the democrat party

>>14612205
She literally has no idea how the economy works, she is only in her position for being a charismatic pretty person. Basically a young, female Trump, populists should be attacked regardless of what direction they come at you from

>>14612219
Well I'm a proud Trump-supporting Republican and my wife and I enjoy having a cold beer before our bull comes over.

>>14612227
t. econ PhD from PragerU

>>14612238
Ahahahahaha based. All these PhD's from these fuckin diploma mills need to unironically have their credentials revoked.

>>14612238
well basically any modern person who has ever studied economics anywhere. Populists don't care about economic theories. People like Trump and AOC only care about economic policies that sound good to their base of uneducated fools

>>14612255
Unironically anon, you are based. You're above these idiots you're arguing with. I 100% agree with you.

>>14612240
Is PragerU a diploma mill? I thought it was just a youtube channel. Its an actual place?

>>14612255
AOC has a solid understanding of Marxist economics like every well educated person.

>>14612264
oh, she understands a debunked 1800s philosopher's writings on a topic he had very poor data on and who was wildly wrong on most of his prophecies, great I guess

>>14612264
Shut the fuck up you dumb cunt, go back to your poli sci 101 class your dumb fuck Boomer parents are paying for because they are too busy sucking off every pizza delivery guy that walks onto their property to teach you anything of value

>>14612063
>>14612116
is this summergfag the catch of the day?
now.... you have to go back to your facking greeasy fish & chips and don't forget to eat it with your bare hands to show how humble you are! ahahahaha

>>14612352
>that reflection
lol. Eating my fish and chips with a cold pint of beer at the moment. It's good. How is the weight loss coming along?

>>14605627
Status symbol
There is literally no other reason.

>>14610209
Would love to see some Aussie rich cunt's beer cellar packed full of posh tinnies from around the world.

>>14605627
>So here is my several tens of thousand of dollars custom upstairs wine cellar. It mimics the heat and humidity of a wine cellar perfectly. What does photo-oxidation mean?
Enjoy your vinager richfag, lol

>>14605627

>>14605627
>work hard to become wealthy
>waste all your money on stupid flexes instead of retiring early or something
i dont understand richfags. i've had $200/bottle wine and I've had $4/bottle and they taste the same to me.

>>14605627
>>14605627
beer can go bad while wine tastes better with age. It's just easier to store unless you're the kind of person to chug a 6 pack everyday

>>14607042
I live in seattle and know a lot of software devs making the big money. About half of them are into expensive whiskey and bourbon now. They drink it while playing smash brothers and posting on r*****. Hate to tell you but you might be a faggot.

If you were actually a man you wouldn't need to pretend to be one by consooming product.

>>14607120
>There's also wine in virtually every price point, so you never really grow out of it.
I worked in a wine shop for a year and what I got out of it was that the very best wines are $20-$30, anything below that tastes cheap and generic and everything above that is just overpriced. There's some really good shit in the $100-$300 range but obviously there's diminishing returns, I never had a $40 or $50 bottle that tasted much better than the couple of ~$20 reds I would regularly get.

>>14605627
If you'd ever tried anything other than american stank juice or box shite you'd know.

>>14612800
>beer can go bad
So can wine. Also, read the thread. Plenty of beers get better with age.

>>14612819
the difference between mid tier and high tier wine is entirely marketing based

>wine
>fancy
Pffft, does your grape piss come in a taxidermy squirrel with a tuxedo and a tophat? Thought not.

>>14612809
It depends largely on the varietal and region, along with your palate
I can tell you for a fact there are 0 Amarone della Valpolicellas worth a shit under 50 dollars
I can also tell you that american zinfandels under 30 dollars are overripe and overextracted, and that the 30-50 dollar ones are more nuanced and typically harvested earlier to avoid the one-note jamminess that most zin drinkers crave

Personally my wine price limit tops out at about 300, which is where diminishing returns rise sharply and you begin paying for cult wines/first growths

>>14607006
>As the middle class grows in wealth
Lmao

>>14612901
the death of the middle class is a myth

>>14605659
>nouveau riche
no such thing any more.

>>14612911
the middle class is a myth

class is a myth

>>14612843
No

>>14612946
Do you think you could blindly pick 5 $100 bottles of wine from 5 $1000 bottles?

It all goes back to what a "butler" was, originally - the servant in charge of the bottles in the cellar. (Now such a role would be played by a sommellier.)
Can't have a butler without wine.

>>14606513
>Wine wasn't always a rich man's game.
My grandparents were poor, but drank wine. For many Europeans and people of European origins, it was an everyman's drink.
In the USA, we like to shit on people who like things we don't. So, beer drinkers shit on wine drinkers; Bourbon drinkers shit on rum drinkers . . . .

>>14613143
for most of those people it was the only option around. People didn't have supermarkets like today, they didn't have access to good things rich or poor so they made do with what they had

>>14613143
wine, beer and whiskey are all good, but people who care about expensive wine are the worst, just full of marketing nonsense. Beer is the best in that sense in that different tiers of it are very obviously different in ways that are at least pretty reasonably related to the cost, like the amount and quality of ingredients going in are dramatically different. Liquor has it quite a bit at the low and mid tiers but between kind of expensive and super expensive its not, but wine is just a mess all over when it comes to cost and quality relationship

>>14607265
this
guess people like neck cancer

>>14607229
lel

>>14607106
adrenochrome

>>14613172
>>14613172
True. I'd add that rich or poor, liquor, beer, or wine drinker, people acting pretentiously over their beverage of choice are annoying.
>>14613153
In the USA, even during the Depression, people had as much access to liquor and beer as they did to wine.

>>14607265
Just get a mount that allows you to tilt it down. Better yet, get rid of your TV all together.

>>14612063
Adam?

>>14612157
What's wrong with you? I went to a private school with liberal rich kids, too. I didn't throw my expensive education away by getting worked up of babby's first politics lmao. How fucking entitled can you be to flippantly walk away from education that might have cost $15k-$25k or more per year over some kid with annoying opinions?

>>14605627
It's mostly just a flex. There aren't many, if any, bottles of beer worth over $100.

>>14605627
Collecting things is a comfy hobby, but for most things not a very respectable one.

With wine you get the comfy hobby and you get to drink.

If we're talking North America, wine was usually imported from the continent so naturally a bit of money was needed. Even when they finally got vineyards going with adequate grapes the association of wine being a fancy import stuck. That's also a present reason why it's a rich thing in a lot of places today without domestic wine production.

>>14605627
There are wines that go back hundreds of years. Only idiots think to compare that kind of tradition with their craft beer or commercial piss water.

>>14605627
More now than ever we see people breaking things down to their base forms and giving them names

Rich people care about wine because it gives them clout
Buying expensive things or being able to have things that will become expensive is just one way rich people flex

>>14605627
all of it is pinkoid virtue signaling. Wine, beer, coffee culture, etc.

None of that estrogenic overhopped, overfermented bitter slop actually tastes good. It's the same as when they rave about "doing good for underprivileged fair trade youth"--nobody actually cares/likes it, they just pretend to.

>>14611980
>>14612098
>Yes i enjoy African ejaculate, how did you know

>>14612260
I used to unironically bought into a lot of the communism stuff but looking back, I was at an age when I really needed something to believe in. I needed some sort of utopian vision of humanity where everyone was working together in a big community and the essential good of people would be what drove everyone to help each other and all of these massive injustices in the world would be rectified through some sort of magic collectivist political-economic structure. But I think the reality is there were a lot of things about what the world is that I didn't want to accept, and this vision of utopia just sort of filled in for the answers I didn't want to believe. The world is full of injustice and suffering because people are the cause of it. Our current economic system is admittedly to blame for a lot of it and that absolutely needs to be addressed but shooting all of the rich people would necessarily mean shooting a lot of the people most qualified to run a country. That's absolutely moronic.

>>14612707
All the lights have UV filters on them, anon :^)

>>14610822
Aussie politicians are just puppets controlled by banks and foreign mining companies.
the Aussie people havent had a say for decades.

>>14612911
The middle class still isn’t growing you flaming faggot

>>14607120
Very nice anon, I have a case of the Pontet Canet

Richfags don't drink beer because it tastes like liquid bread.

Beer is a poor man's drink but the undisputed king of getting drunk for cheap is Franzia boxed wine.

>>14615424
That doesn't look like filtered glass to me, what of the ambient light?

>>14605627
It's their funko pop or yugioh cards, a transitional object for fighting depression.

>>14617376
Oh shit, that is why I have an indoor garden.

Women prefer wine
Rich men are usually betabux slaves to their women
Simple as
>I'm such a Chad that I can get girls to drink Carling black label with me
feels good

>>14607643
>in live

>>14605627
Watch the Sour Grapes documentary on Pedoflix. Wine is a meme drink that dumb j*ws spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on and they don't even know what they're drinking.

>>14611980
Beautiful wine btw

>>14605627
>rich
>doesnt have a wine basement
Op pic is gay

>>14605627
Good wine tastes great. Possibly better than anything you could ever get. The issue is good wine which fits that definition is too fucking expensive because a winery knows only rich people will ever buy it and upcharges to allow for that "status" check to be purchased from them too.

>>14605627
>blah blah blah poor people can't afford it.

Fucking americans, if you go anywhere else in the world that isn't infested with "western" consumer and service industries you'd know more wine is consumed (not including China's love for beer) than beer.
Italy, the largest producer of wine drinks that shit like water, same with Argentina, Rural France you name it.

It's only seen a rich or upper class thing because of the 'reserves' and niche years of aging. It's like buying a luxury brand car, it's just the badge and a little more features for what you get.

>>14618348
>wine basement
*wine cellar

the world would be a better place if everyone posting in this thread would be dead

>>14612925
It's really not

>>14610209
>liquor starts at $70 a bottle
what the fuck?

>>14618665
It doesn't really. It starts at about $35 for bottom-shelf piss, $45-50 is the lower limit for something drinkable/decent to mix, and about $60-65 for something not very complicated but worth drinking on its own.

>>14618693
damn, is it the tax or just few producers?

>>14613968
Weihenstephan brewery has been operating since 1040, you uncultured swine.

>>14618698
tax.
Aus govt has increased the tax on alcohol 78 times in the last 20 years but if you try to complain about it the Murdoch media just shitposts you into oblivion by saying you're just a dumb alcoholic that wont think of the children.

>>14617347
There are so many other better boxed wines at a similar price point. Franzia is legit trash.

Wine is the most socially acceptable alcohol to drink frequently without looking like an alcoholic. Also considered part of the meal in a lot of countries. As my man tony soprano once said "on the other side, they consider wine food"

>>14605627
>>14605640
Poorfag cope. Wine is infinitely more complex than any one of your soyboi dry-hopped kettle sours that tastes like gas station table wine.
>Argentine malbecs
>Napa cabernets
>Italian sangioveses
>portuguese bairradas
get on these levels beer plebs

>>14621671
>Wine is infinitely more complex
How do you figure that? Beer can be complex in so many ways. There's the type of grains used, the level to which they are roasted, the amount of malt, the type of yeast or bacteria that do the fermenting, top or bottom fermenting, fermentation temperatures, the esters produced during fermentation, the type of hops and how and when they are added, filtered or unfiltered, how and for how long they are aged, the chemical interactions between acids, esters, alcohols and tannins, and on and on...

>>14605627
Pretentious assholes with bad taste love having large wine collections. I like wine sometimes, but it's nowhere near as sophisticated and good tasting as Whisky. If they actually had any class, they would have a large whisky collection.

>>14610374
>>wine is collectable and beer is not

AHAHAHAHA you retarded fucking trashbag. You uncultured swine.

>>14613968
Beer has a greater range of flavour, you smooth-brained dipshit.

You can't tell the difference between a cheap wine and expensive wine in a blind taste test.
If you disagree you're a massive gullible buffoon by default.

>>14618419
>>Good wine tastes great. Possibly better than anything you could ever get

Why haven't you tried good whisky yet?

>>14622193
let me guess, you think lactose adjunct hazy ipas are really cutting edge

>>14622318
>beer has a greater range of flavor
this is your brain on hopped idiocy

>>14622335
This has been disproven so many times. People with pleb palates can't distinguish them but typical wine drinkers do

>>14622352
Ah yes, here we have the wild wine snob
With its massively autistic palate, it can distinguish hundreds of unique flavours, depending on which bottle the same cheap wine was put in

>>14622338
Your post has no actual substance and even if it did, you're not arguing in good faith.

>>14607211
Saw a nig try to steal a 24 of beer the other day
>gets himself clotheslined by the jacked med security guard
>drops beer, phone, wallet
>robber picks up one of the cans that fell out, while the guard picked up the wallet/phone faster than jackie chan
>nig tries to barter stolen beer for wallet
>med gives it to him
>nig runs off with beer can and his shit
"this is for my fucken troubles"
truly they are a lower class

>>14611686
>grand prestige
my nigger
that bottle is really dope, too

>>14610822
they have nothing to kill them with and taxes to pay