/ck/ - Food & Cooking

i found a bottle of the op pic in niagara falls but then had to give it to my dad for xmas because i couldn't find blanton's and he didn't even share it with me :(

>>14411584
I got given a bottle for my birthday, it’s delicious. Don’t care if it’s a meme.

What do Japanese whiskeys taste like? I think I've heard that they're based on Scotch

Partial to tottori myself. Japanese whiskey is definitely smoother than western.

Incidentally, I finally spoke to my doctor today regarding my alcoholism. I'm finally going to get the help I need.

>>14411612
Smooth, a bit of sweetness, very well rounded. Overall more refined.

>>14411612
As smooth as a Japanese woman's hair

Because American whisky is gay.
You need Scottish whisky or Japanese

>>14411580
Japanese whisky has plenty of problems.
Too many blends, too few age statements, no requirement it actually be made in Japan, hot trash being up priced because of the popularity of the genre, Jim Murray, etc.

There's some treasure there, but it's mostly over priced.

>>14411612
Yes, so like scotch. Maybe they tend to be a bit lighter and more complex.

>>14411584
yeah, its his bottle. faggot

"Premium" spirits are a joke in general

Anyone had Suntory Toki? It's the only Japanese whiskey my store carries, I think it's like $30-35

>>14412005
It’s alright tastes like a mild blended scotch. I’d rather buy a handle of cheap but decent scotch for a similar price.

>>14411670
>Because American whisky is gay.
true lol

>>14412005
That's cheap, try it.
I looked at what my bottle shop stocks, and the only good Japanese whiskys there (that I've tried) are Tenjaku at $85 and Taketsuru Pure Malt at $125.
The former is just blown the fuck out not good enough at that price point. It needs to get into the 70s to compete against other good world whiskys / 12 year old Speysides.
The latter I'd class against Lagavulin in the $90s. Maybe some finishes / distillery editions at around $100. But at $125 you can get some pretty primo shit.

>>14411580
pewds approved

>>14411622
Coward

>>14412140
Alright. I need to know. Anon, help me. What's his appeal? Why is he so popular?

I don't understand his popularity it all. I've tried watching his videos but the more I watched the more confused I became.

>>14412351
he's rich, which attracts weed carriers

>>14412351
It's for literal 6 year olds. They watch it instead of TV.

>>14412351
Same. He's not interesting or funny or particularly intelligent. I really think zoomers just don't have actual friends anymore, so they everything is online and these e-celebs act as friend simulators.

>>14411580
stop drinking american swill there are other options

>>14412351
he's based and redpilled

>>14412351
He captured a niche and became famous in the early days of youtube. The biggest youtubers are the ones that have been there from the beginning

>>14411924
he could share, faggot

>>14411580
Asians are just unironically better at everything, full stop.

If you want proof, look at beef. Europeans had 500 years and 80% of the world's landmass, and the best they could come up with was slightly marbled prime.

Japs started eating beef less than a century ago, and were still able to develop Wagyu/Kobe in an overpopulated shithole island smaller than california.

The next 200 years is just going to be this but in overdrive, and suicide rates will skyrocket.

>>14412419

>>14411580
Japanese is literally the same as Scotch, just made in Japan instead of Scotland. That's all. It's the same drink. It's like how a bourbon is different than scotch because of the ingredients being different

>>14412818
Given the price of Wagyu/Kobe you can hardly call it a success. It's a step forward, for sure, but their costs are insane. The Australians have done better.

>>14412412
>conspiracy
>>>/x/

>>14412818
Too bad China couldn't master dam building, Chang

>>14411917

Basically this.
Imagine if the scots tried to make a Canadian whisky. It's light a friendly, but it's complex and doesn't suck shit because it's syrupy trash.

The problems are correct as well. No regulations means you have to do some research on what you're after before you buy it. Prices are high because it's taking off and the supply has fallen so low that they can't put out age statement bottlings anymore. It'll get better over the next few years, but right now it's a bit of a bitch.

The research can be done by the way, there are graphs out there somewhere that show bottlings and distilleries and what's real and what's not.

>>14412140
I've heard the Yamazaki is really good but I can't ever find a bottle of it here
Thanks LCBO you fucking cunts

>>14413174
It can't be as good as it costs

>>14413183

At the LCBO, nothing is.

>>14411622
Good luck anon.

>>14412976
>not knowing that following online media personalities simulates having friends
Next you'll tell me porn doesn't temporarily abate one's desire for a sex partner.

>>14413203
whaaaat

>>14411580
>why are they so good?
Because Pewdiepie told you they are.

>>14411622
I miss the /alc/ threads

>>14414025
>pewdiepie and his cultists are now old enough to drink
God why am I so old

>>14412094
this is the only turkey that doesn't taste like glue

>>14412976
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasocial_interaction

>>14412818
too bad japan is one of the worst places to cook in. Groceries are super there.

>>14414783
>japan bad for cook because food good
k

>>14414793
no, if you like to cook yourself it's a bad place to live. Fruits and Veggies are super expensive. apparently meat and fish are cheap though so IDK.

>>14414799
>apparently
>idk
so you're just talking out of your ass?

>>14414805
no, I have a friend who lives in Japan. it is super easy to get really good food, cooking at home(most likely small apartment) is impractical and costly though.

>>14411580
Idk what your talking about, about a week ago I had about half a bottle of suntory toki and felt like vomiting

>>14413174
Fuck was just about to check the lcbos website

>>14411580
yum

>>14411580
>Why are they so good?
You are just a weeb.

>>14412005
It's pretty good, $35 is a bit high though. It makes a great Japanese style highball (whiskey and soda water)

This was good. But I would not try to buy it now. Fortunately, I just paid $15 for a shot

>>14412094
>13 proof

>>14415759
>13cm :(

>>14411622
>alcoholic
>uses the term smooth to describe whisky

good riddance

>>14413747
not him, but he's right. I'm living in a new place and never listened to podcasts before, but it's comforting in the way that chilling out with an old friend and talking about nothing is.

>he dilutes and/or chills his whisky

>>14416664

Spoken like someone who has never had a Japanese whiskey before

Paying $90 for a bottle of Hibiki Harmony is one of the biggest mistakes of my life and I've fucked up a lot in many extreme ways.

>using "smooth" to describe whisky

>>14415645
Someone bought me a shot of this (might've been the 18, not sure) at $57 a shot.
It was fairly mediocre. Not at all on the level you'd expect from that age. It's on par with some of the better 10-12 year old scotches.

>>14418227
he's right, smooth is meaningless in the context of whisky. It's only used buy people who know jack shit.

>>14418467
congrats, you've discovered that jap whiskey is all hype left over from the days when it was actually a bargain

>>14418469
smoothness is not meaningless, but it's elementary. Nikka Coffey Grain is a coarse/harsh whiskey whereas NWFTB is more integrated and softer. It's not the defining characteristic or profile of a whiskey, but it is a feature.

>>14414813
>>14414799
>my retard ESL friend so, therefore it's true

lmfao niggers.

>>14418182
>>14418343
>he posts anime

>>14411580
>Why are they so good
Japan thing is good for no reason.

>>14411580
Japanese products have good international marketing. Mostly stealth, and on social media these days.

>>14416697
Its a meme dio

>>14419516
You dip*
Goodnight

>>14419513
That's literally every company

>>14411580
I'm Japanese, but I adore this whiskey.

>>14419534
Nah. Mostly just Japan, and currently blm supporting companies.

>>14419549
>t. assblasted korean/chinese

>>14411580
>Why are they so good?
but they aren't.

>>14419553
t. stealth marketing nipfag with tiny nip penis. Peddle your wares elsewhere, retard.

>>14419555
I didn't expect you to go full retard this quickly.

>>14419559
I didn't expect you to keep posting after I embarrassed you online.

>>14419566
Why are you angry?

IMO wild turkey has been better than all the Japanese whiskey I've came across, and wild turkey is bottom barrel in my book, but people have different tastes, or whatever.

>>14419571
You think I'm angry just, because I insulted you? Stip being gay on my internet anon.

>>14419580
No, it's that tiny woman sassiness that's shining through your posts.

>>14419583
You're just reading to much into it, ypu emotional faggot.

>>14411670
American “whiskey” isn’t even spelled correctly.

>>14412351
I’m guessing here, but I think it’s mostly young children that grew up on YouTube. Their parents didn’t spend time with them, so they watched this dumb cunt all of the time. Now they can’t stop. It’s all they know.

>>14411917
I agree with you about the problems with Japanese whiskey.
HIBIKI, YAMAZAKI, HAKUSYUU, TAKEZURU, YOICHI, and MIYAGIKYO, are stable.
Overall, Suntory is smooth. Nikka is powerful. I like Nikka.
In my personal opinion, I feel that HIBIKI is overrated.
Both Suntory and Nikka are difficult to obtain for 17 or 21 years and expensive.
Emerging makers are lottery.
Some of the emerging manufacturers are great. But they are expensive.

>>14412302

Is it worth trying?

>>14419777
Sure, but keep an open mind.

>>14411580
>American
>worse than anything from overshiteas
WRONG.

>>14419777
Yes
It's strange at first, but in a good way, but it's a very hit or miss whiskey. Some people like it some hate it.
If you liked it go for Nikka Coffey, what is REALLY good as an old fashioned.

I bought my friend a bottle of this for his birthday. Never tried it myself though. The packaging is nice but it’s expensive.

>>14419925
Did you suck his cock too?

>>14411580
Japanese whiskey is usually casked in Scotland and exported for bottling in Japan. Japanese whiskeys are, by and large (with some obvious notable exceptions) single malt Scotch.

>>14419783
Name a single American whiskey that's better than an entry level, 12yo, first fill oak aged Speyside whisky.

You can't, they do whisky pretending to be bourbon that is better than most bourbons,

>>14420034
Which ones? I can't think of any that do that.

just got a bottle of this. been seeing it around but never got to try it so I picked it up to try.

>>14420062
Suntory do it. They own Bowmore and Auchentoshan and at least one other Highland distillery. Yamazaki isn't casked in Japan.

T. I work for Marketing and Distribution at Jim Beam UK (subsidiary of Suntory)

>>14420084
>Suntory do it. They own Bowmore and Auchentoshan and at least one other Highland distillery.
This has nothing to do with your initial claim.
>Yamazaki isn't casked in Japan.
This is the first time I hear about that and there's literally no info on the internet about it. Why should we believe you?

>>14420094
It has everything to do with it. They cask whisky at those distilleries to export them to Japan and bottle them there so they can call it Japanes, but it isn't. It's legal to do this, the same rules apply to imported livestock as well. Kill it local; it's from there.

If you can't find anything online, then you're not looking in the right places. I couldn't care less if you believe me or not, I've seen the export manifests.

>>14420109
>I couldn't care less if you believe me or not, I've seen the export manifests.
Fuck off, LARPer.

>>14420050
Blanton's is better than entry level 12 year olds. It's also 40% more expensive. But that's literally the only one; I've been fairly disappointed with American whisky.

>>14420120
Yeah, I'll just post my work ID and a copy of the corroborating paperwork on this Wendy's Discussion Usenet, you absolute fucknugget.

>>14420094
There are no laws requiring Japanese whisky be made in Japan.
Similarly, there are no laws requiring Bourbon sold outside of USA to be made in America, though there's probably local case law in most country's following trade disputes.

>>14420050
I'd say Rogue Spirits Rolling Thunder Stouted Whiskey.

>>14420126
You're the one making big claims with fuck all to back it up, bubba.

>>14420129
Cheaper, and better.

>>14420131
It's not a big claim, everyone fucking knows this except you. It's an open secret in the industry like Hollywood paedophiles or the fact your Mum can be seen from space.

>>14420150
Prove it.

>>14420138
It's 2.5x as expensive.

>>14420155
scotchwhisky.com/magazine/features/19680/not-all-japanese-whisky-is-japanese-whisky/
www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/dining/japanese-whisky.html
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-19/that-expensive-japanese-whisky-may-be-mostly-scotch

>>14420155

>>14420168
>>14420173
Kek

>>14420168
You're moving goal posts, this is about random Jap firms that source whisky from various sources. One article even states that Yamazaki is made in Japan. Show some actual proof.

>>14419513
>>14419549
>>14419555
>>14419566
>>14419580
>>14419628
>>14420034
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>>14420150
Imagine seething as hard at Japs as this guy.

Because you're an easily influenced anime faggot.

>>14420195
Poor baby, did drinking """"Japanese""" whisky make you feel special? Diddums, go cope post in some more Jap threads you bleeding anus.

>>14420168
Rougue spirits is $40-$60 a bottle.

>>14420316
A 12yo Speyside whisky aged in a virgin oak cask goes for $30-$40. Regardless, the price to performance favours Scotch.

>>14420351
No. A 12 year Speyside is £51.79 ($65.09usd) a litre, and Rogue Spirits Rolling Thunder Stouted Whiskey is anywhere from $40-$70usd a litre.
Price is cheaper, and taste is better you retarded faggot. To me it's more comparable to 40year Speyside.

>>14420379
Which Speyside? It's a region not a brand.

>>14420390
All of them.

>>14420275
Cringe

>>14420395
All 12yo Speyside whiskys, regardless of brand or distillery, are £51.79 a litre? Are you sure that's your final answer?

>>14420415
Are you an idiot?

>>14419544
Good choice son

>>14420415
I'm guessing you can't accept someone liking a better american product?

>>14420427
I don't know, am I? Show me a list of all the 12yo Speysides, like Balvennie, et al, and their price breakdown please.

>>14420441
You bring the list of 12 year old speyshites, and compare them to the single rogue product, and I'll tell you that specific rogue is better. Bring in 40year old speyshits, and then we'll have a contest (I'd probably give it to the more matured 40years though to be on ass though).

>>14420452
No, no, show me the price breakdown dude. I want to see how your did the math.

>>14420459
You're focusing on the price breakdowns which is about 50 pounds a liter, because you're an idiot.
You should neck yourself.

>>14420465
What price breakdown, you pulled a price out of your ass? A very specific price I'd be curious how you came to, because it's bullshit.

>>14420474
I pulled the prices from the liquor stores online, but then I'm still lost to what your points were. Are you trying to argue for bang for buck in whiskey? Might as well get a $20 black label of jack then, you retarded faggot for that bang per buck, or maybe sauce where you're getting your cheapship 12 years from idiot.

>>14420485
You pulled a wholesale price for a varied and competitive market from an online store? Does this price include peaty speyside malts, like laophraig or did you literally look at one speyside on one store and call it quits?

>>14420506
>no prices posted
Okay post your prices numpty.
You're acting like a bitch anon.

>>14420514
Stop deflecting, and give me the £50.79 redpill baby

>>14420520
>deflecting
This is irony. You haven't provided anything, but retarded screeching, yet you demand more shit than the blm.
Either prove me wrong, or fuck off.

>>14420546
You want me to prove that EVERY single Speyside whisky doesn't cost £51.79 a litre?

Will you kill yourself if I do?

>>14420552
Go for it. Post any. Preferably cheaper/better than
>>14420129
>Rogue Spirits Rolling Thunder Stouted Whiskey.
So you can remain as close to on topic to post chain, retard.

>>14420050
Almost anything sold as "straight bourbon" in America is better than bland, boring Speyside trash.
>>14419502
>he is triggered when anime is posted on a Japanese culture website which was created for the purpose of giving its creator a place to talk about anime with his friends

>>14411670
>American ______
>Is gay
Please Anon, there are gays in other countries as well. You cannot expect Muslims to do all the work.

What is the fourth worst style of whiskey behind:
1a. Typical nearly flavorless Speyside
1b. Typical nearly flavorless Japanese
3. Wheated bourbon?

>>14420691
Unaged whiskey

>>14420712
This is legally an oxymoron in many countries.

>friend is half jap
>goes to visit his dying grandma in nipland
>brings me back all sorts of jap candy and goodies and some kind of whiskey
>never had anything like it before
>so smooth and sweet and so many flavors...no idea what it was called
>shelve it and decide to save it for special occasion
>few months later friend and her mom from out of town are having a get together so i decide to bring my whiskey
>gonna make a toast later and make a classy drink for everyone
>other friend needs a ride to the party so i leave to pick him up
>show back up like an hour later
>whiskey bottle is empty
>"oh sorry anon we saw your whiskey and we made jack and cokes with it teehee"
>act like mad autist rest of night

>>14420740
Greentext belongs on reddit, newfag

thoughts on this one /ck/?

>>14420745
Never in my life have I read something more autistic and faggy than what you just posted.
kill yourself right now because your kind of stupid should not be allowed to exist

>>14420747
>hfw

>>14411580
Detroit's revenge against Japan.

>>14420890
Japan has less "crime", so I think Japan wins this game.

>>14420747
it was alright, really not a huge difference from ardbeg 10 for me. The slightly higher ABV makes it pop out more in my manhattans

>>14420721
I'll do you one better. Unaged rice whiskey. I've seen a bottle of that on the shelf

>>14420908
but they also buy used panties out of vending machines and jack off to cartoons in the sub way.

>>14420950
do you also believe they retain a force of ninjas and face yearly attacks from gojira

>>14418248
If a $90 mistake tops your list, you never really dun goofed.

>>14421219
Godzilla isn't real, and the authenticity of "Japanese ninja" is up for debate while used panty vending machines, and public masturbators are real.

Someone's granddad got BTFO at Pearl Harbor...

>>14420950
>but they also buy used panties out of vending machines and jack off to cartoons in the sub way.

Yeah in like 2008. God i wish old memes like that are true again they really cleaned Tokyo up and i fucking hate it.

>>14411580
>nikka whiskey
I can still remember the last time I drank this over a decade ago. I think it was 2008.
>be in a bar in Yokohama
>its a nice place, crowded
>having this exact convo with the bartender and his friend there
>they say they like whiskey, but not Japanese whiskey despite them being Japanese
>I buy them a shot of American whiskey and myself this Nikka whiskey
>kanpai :)
>5 seconds later excuse myself to go outside
>projectile vomit on fence
it felt like I drank an ipecac. ive still to this day never had that reaction to drinking anything and been to nervous to try drinking it again to see what happens. I had a gin&tonic and a bunch of water to recover from that.

>>14411580
It's funny, because all my japanese friends don't like japanese whiskey and consider it inferior to foreign whiskey. Everyone always likes "foreign" things, because it feels exotic.

>>14420084
>>14420109
if you saw export manifests for shipping scotch to japan for bottling it was probably for their Ao blend, the book that came with the bottle states it uses whiskey from Ardmore and Glen Garioch

Unless you're trying to say all the barrels at the distillery are empty

>>14420316
I'm not American and it's not readily exported.
A 12 year old Speyside goes for $60, the Rogue costs $160.

>>14420379
>A 12 year Speyside is £51.79
No it isn't. Glenfiddich goes for £35 at Tesco.
Unless you're a backwards converting American. In which case you're getting scammed. You're paying less tax, prices should be lower. And are, elsewhere in America.

>>14422621
You're prices are fucked, and 12 year old speysides don't compare with the Rogue being talked about in this thread.
Speyside anon is just a jackass.

Two manufacturers in Japan that can produce whiskey on a large scale are Suntory and Nikka.
Both are lacking malt.
Suntory and Nikka, even those with the "pure malt" label, use malt from multiple breweries. Part of it may be imported malt.
I think the main ingredient of cheap whiskey sold in Japan is imported malt.
YAMAZAKI, HAKUSYU, YOICH, and MIYAGIKYKYO are Japanese-made "single malt" bearing the name of the distillery.
Ichiro, which has a small production scale, is expensive.
Ichiro also uses overseas malt by notating it as "world" on some of its products.

>>14423145
The circumstances of minor manufacturers vary.
Imported malts are needed to make whiskey less expensive.
AKKESHI is difficult to obtain and expensive.
NAGAHAMA has divided the brand into "NAGAHAMA" and "AMAHAGAN".
Even minor makers have great whiskey.
But pure Japanese whiskey is expensive.

>>14411965
fukk u men

>>14412922
t. big brain

Speaking of japs, anyone try this gin from Suntory?

It’s really good and has such a unique flavor

>>14423300
"Roku" is very good.

I got BLADNOCH today.
happiness.

>>14412412
I think this is pretty apt

>>14421496
Suntory publishes malt manufacturers of "Ao" on its website.
Ireland. Scotland. America. Canada. Japan.

The facts are simple.
Both Suntory and Nikka are committed to producing malt.
Still, there is not enough Japanese malt.

>>14423870
They are abjectly uncommitted to ramping up production. And that's with the generous interpretation that by "malt" you mean whisky.

>>14420765
idk this post is pretty faggy >>14420740

Wait, isn't Japanese Whisky just notScotch?

>>14423900
Nikka's "TSURU" is blended. However, the brand was abolished because many Japanese malts were used.
Suntory's "CHITA" is GRAIN. This is also whiskey.

In Japan, the shortage of Japanese malt has been a serious problem for many years. And the brand is being reorganized.
Your knowledge is great. But it does not justify your prejudice.

I forgot "Kirin". m(__)m
Kirin is a major Japanese beer company. Import whiskey in partnership with an overseas manufacturer. Now we also manufacture whiskey in Japan.
Kirin is in good fight. However, its presence is weak.

>>14423960
100 years have passed since the release of Japanese whiskey.
Japanese whiskey is a little overrated.
For the same price, scotch is generally better.
Part of Japanese whiskey is great. But they are expensive.

Until about 10 years ago, we had a wonderful single cask distilled in Karuizawa. It was a good value.
But those days are gone.
I usually drink scotch now. Sometimes I buy Japanese whiskey.
Sometimes I'm happy, sometimes I'm sad.

>>14424102
I regret not buying a bottle of Kirin whiskey when I was visiting earlier this year. I didn't buy one since I wasn't familiar with it.

>>14423870
Your initial claims were completely made up.