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inb4 finger lakes cuk bitches about that one time he got made fun of in Napa

Riesling is crap. All German whites are crap.
>t. dornfelder enthusiast

I like the idea of drinking wine, but I can't really get into wine outside of champagne which I love.

I love the aesthetic of French wine chateaus.

>>14390246
Any black owned wineries? I like wine but most of it is owned by wypipo and I'm trying not to buy from them anymore.

>>14390261
are you hitting on me?

>>14390287
Yes, as an added bonus they're not in C*lifornia

>>14390287
>Any black owned wineries? I like wine but most of it is owned by wypipo and I'm trying not to buy from them anymore.

>>14390305
yes, with my boot and the curb and an unoaked chardonnay

>>14390319
>added bonus they're not in C*lifornia
tell me how is oregon different

>>14390384
ignore him
he got shamed in tasting room once and cant move on

>>14390384
cooler climate so the wine doesn't taste like manischewitz with outrageous amounts of sugar, and they don't blast their wines with dump trucks full of oak chips

>>14390339
he looks more like an IPA drinker desu

>>14390435
see what i mean?
zero knowledge
lotsa lip

>>14390460
t. c*lifornia swill producer who can't accept that it's not 1978 anymore. pic very related

how much does it anger you that the only people who actually drink c*lifornia wine are soccer moms, boomers, and hipsters doing it ironically so they can go BUT ACTCHYULLY NOT ALL C*LIFORNIA and name drop the one or two irrelevant producers who don't use mega purple

>>14390502
your ignorance invalidates your entire existence
post away, laddie.

>>14390274
retard.

>>14390274
>dornfelder
?

>>14390246
Is this a new sub?

>>14390832
It's about the only worthwhile German red.

>>14390502
oh shit cameron is that you?

https://www.instyle.com/lifestyle/food-drink/cameron-diaz-katherine-power-wine-brand-avaline

news flash:

cameron diaz drinks shitty wine and shitposts on 4chan

>>14390274
They make an excellent sparkling white. Just like everybody except for France.
But seriously, good sparkling white.

>>14390283
Plenty of Australian wine is labeled Chateau de NotFrance with a nice picture of a french chateau. I bought some last time I was in the city of Newcastle, Wales, Australia.

>>14390283
Champagne guy here. I really like Veuve Cliquot, Moet & Chandon, and Louis Roederer (the brut premier, I have never tried Cristal).

I do not however, like the price of champagne. What are some good sparkling wines that are similar to the champagnes I like?

>>14390502
Why do you do this every wine thread

>>14392709
I made the thread. When you say "do this" do yo mean sperg out about being slighted once in a thread months and months ago like you did here?
>>14390261
>>14390370
>>14390397
>>14390460
>>14390640

>>14390246
Thanks for making this. I like the juxtaposition of the faggy lettering with the Naziesque German Riesling label.

>>14390441
Dressed too twee to be a beer nerd but he's almost there.

>>14391039
>what is Spaetburgunder

>>14392091
>sekt
>better than traditional method wines
Hope you're not the same guy that was praising Prosecco in the Champagne thread.

>>14392100
Unfortunately you're not spending enough to buy the Champagnes that have better quality to price ratios.

Instead, try cremant wines from Alsace, Bourgogne, Jura and the Loire. Also wines from outside of France like Cava, Franciacorta and Tasmanian sparkling wines are pretty good.

>>14392986
>Unfortunately you're not spending enough to buy the Champagnes that have better quality to price ratios.

Man what? I've had Dom Perignon a few times and never thought it was significantly better than regular ol' Moet

>>14393032
Yeah, Dom probably has worse value than Moet. It is a mass-produced product after all.

I'm talking about Champagnes made by growers though, which are still overpriced but much more of a carefully made, artisanal product.

>>14392100
>buying overpriced meme champagne
Thank dog i get labelless champagne off the books(avoids production quotas) for 7.5€ and it tastes better than meme champagne.

Apparently I live in a hot spot for good wine (Santa Barbara county) but don’t know what wine is good. I’m gonna hit the wine shop around the corner this week and see what’s up

>>14393165
If you're in a decent wine shop you should definitely ask the staff for help. Be completely honest about how much you know about wine and tell them as descriptively as possible what you'd like. Most people in wine these days don't bite and like to help, especially if you're curious!

>>14393209
Cool ty for the tips.
The only wines I’ve had that really wowed me were like natural hazy/orange wines. Nothing red or white has ever tasted “wow” to me but I’ve not really gone deep

>>14393338
Why did you like them? The texture, the tannin, the funk?

>>14393338
if you've tasted orange wines you're already beyond what a random store, especially a california store, can do for you. unlessy you love napa cabs or butter bomb chardonnay california is not a good place to be a wine drinker

>>14393373
All of the above, I found it interesting that grapes could be fermented to taste “interesting” vs a standard white/red/rose.
Maybe i am just a tastelet but from what I have tried a “great” Pinot noir just tastes like a Pinot noir without the things that make cheap Pinot noir taste bad...

>>14393826
Where is the depth? As a parallel I am a tea drinker and love how many different flavors can be coaxed out of different fermentation levels, ages of the leaf, amounts, temperatures, and steep times. The difference between two types of oolong can be staggering. I just haven’t experienced that with wine and it feels like a meme. Are the differences that subtle?

>>14393829
A lot of mass market wines are basically the same thing with different labels for people who buy their wine based on what they heard is good (pinot noir is always a best seller)

In the new world (and sometimes old) the "better" wine makers will publish tech data like did they destem, did they do whole cluster, did they fine or filter (and what did they use), how long on the skins, etc

Old world wine has tended to handle this stuff by geographic indications although some regions are more flexible than others in which case you have to fall back on the tech sheets

Been drinking lots of argentinian blends and malbecs. Subpar price and goes great with my beautiful steaks. Spanish monastrell too.
Portuguese alentejo blends are my light 'errday option.
If you pay more than $25 you are a cuck. Fuck french wine too.

>>14393812
gets hurt once

>Wine low in tannins
Is there anything worse you can do to a red wine?

>>14392100
Check out some southern English sparkling wine, very similar terroir to Champagne. Studied them a bit when working at a restaraunt with a nice wine program, I remember we had some from Hattingley Valley that were quite good.

>>14394042

Horrendus shit, jesus

>>14394026
Good job demonstrating that california is still just about seething resentment towards a 1970s boomer caricature of france (the only other place on earth that wine comes from, obviously)

Is there a wine for everyone?

>>14394200
still tries to argue out of his pain cave

>>14394236
>people who don't like california wine are into playing indoor "cycling" video games for women
Weird insult but ok

I enjoy dry wine, I remmembver once having dry wine that was smooth and velvety I dont know much about grapes or anything... But what type of grape would taste the same but also be dry...

>>14395265
I don't know, brother. Thanks for asking, though.

>>14395301
Im not your brother arent you supposed to be wine alcholics ??? Help a Finn out BRO

>>14395265
maybe an Amarone?

Thoughts on Bordeaux Superieur? I have a bottle of 2016 at home that I haven't opened yet.

Are you supposed to refrigerate wine? I can't imagine drinking warm room-temperature alcohol unless it's sake or something.

>>14392986
>cremant wines from Alsace, Bourgogne, Jura and the Loire

This anon gets it. Best bang for your buck bubbles out there. I would add Limoux and Savoie sparklers too.

>>14395484
Likely to be good value but probably highly variable based on the producer.

>>14395649
For long term storage and depending on what the room temperature is in your house, yes.

>>14395890
basically you want it to start cool to the taste, but frisge cold type shit is way to much and will reduce aromatics

I paid $50 and it fucking sucks.

>>14396859
Stop buying grande marque Champagne.

>>14396859
dude,
get a Mumm or a Chandon or a Schramsburg

fuck wine

>>14397425
if i could bb

I've never tried merlot. I've seen some like pic related that's so dark it's almost purple/bluish. Is it any good?

>>14398488
>california wine
Not even once

>>14399045
ok ms diaz

>>14399045
You should seek mental help.

>>14399120
>>14399133
I like how there's now an entire cast of named characters in your cope fantasy

>>14399045
go shill your avaline on goop and stick some rocks up your vag ok?

8+ year industry veteran here. Was a buyer for small production retail shop in the Bay Area of CA, and worked for years doing marketing for small production French wine importer/distributor, and little bits of production work vineyard management and winery work on the side with harvest stint in the Jura, and months spent in Champagne with grower Champagne producers. Ask me anything, but French wine is my specialty.

>>14399276
What's the best red under 10$?

>>14399276
can failifornia fix itsef or will it continue its spiral of descent into bottling overpriced vanilla sizzurp for people who think Target is fancy?

>>14398488
Tastes like umbrella

>>14399276
What's your favourite cellar/producer?

>>14399276
How do you become a buyer for a wine shop? Ive been doing WSET programs but haven't even had luck with trying for category.

>>14396859
I think Veuve Cliquot is pretty good. It's one of my favorites.

>>14399276
Years ago when I was in college everyone who did study abroad in Spain came back raving about Spanish wine. Is it actually good or were they full of shit and just pretending to be sophisticated?

>>14399276
Holy fuck, love Jura wines, please tell me your secrets. I've mostly had stuff from Arbois, but really dig the light reds too. Vin jaune was good too but I'd love to explore the region more

>>14399334
this doesnt exist except in your hurt little mind
>gets insulted in a tasting room once

>>14395484
The majority are easy-drinking fruity table wine, I'd recommend spending the extra few bucks on st emillion or going with cahors if you want something with more depth

>>14399292
This is pretty much impossible to give a "correct" answer without knowing where you're shopping, but there are some great Cotes du Rhone and Spanish Garnacha for under 10 bucks. Castillo de Monseran's Garnacha was always a nice one for around 8.99, though not particularly small production. If you tell me where you're from or where you're shopping I can help out more.

>>14399334
CA has already gone down a path away from the boomer-tier juice you're talking about. The hipster wine movement has already begun and peaked and we're fortunately being left with some decent wine making, and balanced approaches to wine that don't involve "cult" styled Napa Cabs that are hugely extracted and overoaked for points and scores. The spiral actually was already ended by 2017-18 but the wine industry trends take a few years to hit the "mainstream" consumers' palates and tables. We're gonna take a detour and slowdown from this improvement with COVID due to people drinking tons of cheap shitty wine now. It'll come back eventually.

>>14399561
I don't have a favorite producer there's so so so many. Can you be more specific? Grape? Region? State? Country? Anything and I'll be glad to list my favorites.

>>14399731
Tell me more about this wine psychodrama? I'm Diaz right? Am I cute? I hope I'm cute. I love mexicans.

>>14399578
It's very competitive to be a buyer in certain markets. You're not going to just get the job without working retail/restaurant for a few years at least first. That's what I did, I was just basically a retail associate for a while, then managed the shop, then was head buyer. Learn as much as you can, and find a shop to work at where you can taste regularly. You *have* to have a palate and know what the market is like. I imagine it varies greatly depending on which city/state you're in. WSET is good for general knowledge but the most successful buyers don't need to be super technical for their consumers. It's marketing/storytelling/sales and less intellectual discussion, because you'll find that most consumers don't know wine very well at all, even your high end customers. I would start looking for boutique wine shops, as anything in big chain stores is super competitive if you're not already in the industry especially.

>>14399709
Spanish wine can be great but honestly that's way too generalized of a statement to take seriously. It's like saying "oh man I had a wagyu A5 kobe steak once and it was great, beef is all awesome", when we all know there's shoeleather shitty steaks out there. There is some wonderful incredible Spanish wine, some of it for great value prices, but there's also goopy, extracted, monstrously disgusting Frankenwines from Spain as well. If they were study abroad kids, they probably loved how cheap, accessible, fresh, and relatively unmanipulated the wines they were drinking were, but I have no idea where they were. In general though, the bottom end of wine in Europe (France, Spain, Italy) is much much better than the bottom end of wine here in the USA, for a number of reasons, but one reason is subsidies exist there that don't here, so people can make cheaper better wine.

>>14399711
Good to hear man! I absolutely fucking love Jura wine too (though not all of it), but most of what makes it here is decent at worst. I was in Poligny but Arbois was a lovely town too. Poligny is located in the Cotes du Jura AOC, which I think is kind of silly that they didn't differentiate more AOC's and Arbois happened to get one due to local politics at the time.

The Jura could easily have many more distinct village-level AOC's but one thing is they have a bit of a rivalry with the much more prestigious Burgundy (its just an hour to the west) and they still have a "fuck you, we're not Burgundy" sort of relationship with Burgundy, and didn't want to be like the Bourguignons.

Arbois makes the best fuller bodied reds in the region most likely. The village of Montigny-les-Arsures possibly boasting the best Trousseau in the region, but totally depends. I worked for a Vin Jaune producer (not everyone makes Vin Jaune), but we also make red (Poulsard, Trousseau, Pinot Noir), dry oxidative white (Savagnin and Chardonnay) Cremant (white and rosé), and Macvin (white and rouge). It was fucking awesome and I miss it there. The Jurassien people are OG as fuck and some of the most laid back and real deal in all of France. A bit yokel, a bit of that Germanic/Swiss weird/tackyness that you only find in Eastern France, but they're honest real people. If you ever go there, you must try Poulet au Vin Jaune, a local specialty with chicken in a cream sauce made with vin jaune and fresh wild morels. It's my favorite French dish.

>>14399931
Thanks for the advice man. To be honest my passions are more in whisky but I wanna learn about production for both whisky, beer, wine, brandy and other spirits to give myself more rounded knowledge. I'm in Canada in a provincial controlled market so I'm pretty much fucked unless I know somebody as the system to even get to become a product specialist is seniority based and most need at least 8 years working at a store before even being considered regardless of if they even give a shit or not. I wish I could move to the U.K. or Germany and work there desu but I need more savings first.

>On the other hand, while the process of label approval is enforced to the millimetre, the quality control for the wine in the bottle is much less strict. While a blind taster must approve the wine for it to receive AOC classification, this tasting often occurs before the product is even bottled, and by a local expert who may well have ties to the local vintners. Even if the taster is objective, the wine sample may not be representative of the actual product, and there is almost no way to verify that the finished bottled product is the same as the original AOC sample

ahhhhh, the infallbile definite 100 year old french appellation system - at least i know how big a label's letters should be - thanks france!

>>14399912
Are there any Finger Lakes wines that you enjoy? I'm from the region and despite it being heavily marketed I've only had good chardonnay and Reislings from around here, and even then only from the higher end vintners like Dr. Frank's. Taylor's makes some okay fortified wines like Port and some producers like using niche grapes like catawba pink that are okay but by and large it all seems mediocre at best.

>>14400423
not the wine buyer you're asking but:
dr frank gewurtz
dr frank pinot noir
dr frank pinot gris
dr frank rkatsiteli
sheldrake gamay
herman wiemer rieslings

inb4 the angry boomer has a tantrum because you mentioned finger lakes

>>14400423
>>14400491
holy kek the finger lake shill is back!

coof coof is Dr Frank good? why do i ask? coof coof

I unironically like Mad Dog 20/20 and Boone's Farm. Why don't more wine producers make wine in these styles?

Orange wine is a meme.

>>14399912

What WSET level are you? I've just got my level 2 in Wine (our local brand ambassadors offered the course for free whilst Covid kept our industry shut) and I'm considering a level 3 in spirits before wine next.

>>14400917
Tantrum activated

>>14401023
Pick any Riesling, they taste the same as Mad Dog for the most part.

>>14399276
Best cheap high acidity dry wine? I like them particularly sour, and for most people that's a sign of poor quality it seems like.

>>14401138
sourness and acidity aren't the same thing

>>14401138
Acidity=/=sourness. Sourness would be more common to tartness like a tart cherry kirsch.
However, in the sense of high acid whites I personally really enjoy Gavi and Fiano.

>>14401223
Thanks anon. I thought we perceived acidity as sourness, though. Hence vinegar (acetic acid), lemon juice (citric acid), etc.

>>14401059
tequila activated actually

I asked my boss to recommend me a wine between 20-30 buckaroonies that would go well with a ribeye.

She said either Intrinsic or Pessimist. I chose the former because I'm afraid of blends. How'd I do? Haven't cracked it yet.
>mfw I learn Intrinsic is a 96:4 blend

>>14390502
I don't even drink wine but
>seething

>>14401310
For what I've learned acidity is more related to how watery your mouth gets from the liquid. A good way to tell if a wine is acidic is to droop your mouth after tasting a wine to see if you start to drip saliva or not or how much is built up. If it's a lot then it's a pretty acidic wine.

>>14401310
Acidity in isolation is sour, but high acidity wines tend to have some sugar and alcohol

"Sour" in the context of wine implies acetic acid which is a fault (and is not the same acid that you get in a good clean acidic wine)

>>14401347
Either that or a Zinfandel/Primitivo would work well. Some good deals on primitivo from Puglia however they get a bit too sugary at times.

>>14401359
acid goes from a simple crispness to a tart bite that makes you make a face

did someone say finger lakes?
OHHHHH HHH HHHHHHHHH

>>14400283
Absolutely happy to help out man. If you'd like, shoot me an email and I'll reach out and can continue any discussion if you had more questions. If not, I wish you the best of luck. After wine, whiskey is my second love tied with beer. I'm a huge scotch fan and would have loved to get into that side of the business as well, but that seems even more tight and a smaller world.

The LCBO is one of the biggest wine buyers on the planet, so I'm not surprised it's an old boys club there. In BC there's obviously a small thriving wine community that maybe you could get plugged into on the production side? I know they're making some awesome whisky in Nova Scotia now as well. I always dreamed of being a buyer in Hong Kong (but that's done now...) or London, but now I don't really have much interest in retail since you're 95% of the time selling to the lowest common denominator and/or your clients are just rich dicks who have more money than sense and they'd rather jerk off over how much Coche-Dury or Mugnier or Pierre Yves Colin Morey or whatever the fuck trendy Burgundy they like at the moment.

>>14400423
Original buyer here, but seconding >>14400491 in that Dr Frank is good stuff, but I also really like the Herman J Weimer wines too. I have always enjoyed wines from Ravines (their Cab Franc + Riesling), and I liked the wines from Terrassen as well. Though to be honest I've been out of the market as a buyer for a few years so I'm sure there's some newer stuff that made it to the West Coast here that is great too. I don't care for a few of the super hipster natural wines from there I've had (and Vermont, too), but that doesn't mean I don't like all/any natural wines. I haven't liked the Long Island stuff I've had so far that much either, but I'm sure there will be improvements!

>>14401057
I never went Court of Master Somm or WSET myself honestly, and I regret not getting Certified Somm at least when it was super easy (I don't care so much about service portion) just to tell normies and non-wine people that I'm "Certified". It's so fucking stupid but it actually gets people paying jobs doing cool things sometimes. That said I'm all for wine education if you're passionate about it. I have found that if you know your shit, people can tell, and no one cares what letters you have after your name whether its CSW, FWS, CWS, WSET 2-3-4, Advanced Somm or whatever. If you hit Master of Wine or Master Somm people take you very seriously but most of those guys end up just starting businesses that they could have done without the studying. However the recognition helps significantly in getting investors, and marketing. I traveled with Ian Cauble (the blonde guy from the Somm movie who has Somm Select) in France for a few days tasting wines and he's a nice dude, but anyone could start an online wine club if you had good marketing/investors.

>>14401138
Check out Austrian Gruner Veltliner that comes in 1L bottles. Not the expensive stuff, but the 14-17 dollar stuff. It'll be crisp, tart, a little sour, refreshing, and super good. Also look for Sancerre (Sauvignon Blanc from France's Loire), and Muscadet (a dry white, often Melon de Bourgogne, or Folle Blanche for oysters from western France). Spend 13-20 bucks.

>>14401607
Thanks for the recommendations, anon!

>>14401591
>In BC there's obviously a small thriving wine community that maybe you could get plugged into on the production side?
I was thinking of that but I'm sure I wanna move out to BC anytime soon. Might look into working in Niagara or Prince Edward County at some point or do the distilling program at Niagara College but im not sure how it compares to Herriot Watt in terms of skill sets it teaches.
I help run a whisky club so I deal with Canadian distillers a lot. Glenora/Glen Breton is the big one in Nova Scotia but their spirit cuts are really wide which gives it an overlying plastic/play-doh note. However, their peated stuff is ridiculously good supposedly. B.C. is actually probably the biggest craft player right now with Shelter Point at the top. They make amazing stuff.
Don't really have a throwaway email so I'll try and reply with a protonmail sometime tomorrow if anything. Appreciate the kind words mate.

>>14401623
No problem! Also the suggestions of the other anon, Gavi (the grape is Cortese) and Fiano are both great Italian white wine options too. Other grapes/wine regions to try or look out for are: Vermentino, Frascati, Lugana, Saumur (Chenin Blanc), and if you like a little spritz in your wine try Txakoli (pronounced chalk-oh-lee) from Basque country.

Side note: Maybe the most important thing anyone reading this should take away is that in the "new world" (USA, South America, South Africa, Australia, etc) wines are generally called by their variety/grape type, so, Cabernet Sauvignon, Chardonnay, Pinot Noir, whatever, and in the "Old world" aka continental Europe (especially France, Italy, Spain but Germany and Austria to an extent as well), wines are called by their region and the grape is implied. A wine with "Bordeaux" on the label will have certain grapes, a wine with "Chianti" on the label will have certain grapes, but those are place names, not the names of the grapes themselves. It's a bit confusing, but it is kind of cool once you understand the geography a bit better and then realize that, for example, any white wine from Sancerre in France's Loire Valley is going to be Sauvignon Blanc.

>>14401699
Wine wise, the Tawse winery in Niagara is fantastic and I would highly recommend you check them out if you're nearby. Their Burgundies are incredible as well but I think they make my favorite wines from Niagara. I hear you on not wanting to move all the way to BC for a maybe job, but internationally Canada is basically only known for BC (Okanagan, Vancouver Island) and Niagara + ice wine at the moment.

I've heard about Glen Breton actually and have had one peated expression that was very tasty. I didn't know about the wide cuts, but if I recall they're a new project so I imagine they're taking some wider cuts to increase profits... I've never had any BC whiskey but if Shelter Point is ever on a list I'll seek it out. Sadly, there's still some ridiculously protectionist tariff laws for both Canada -> US, and US -> Canada for most booze so it's difficult. Maybe I should become a rumrunner and smuggle good shit across the border for some excitement and money.

>>14401741
Shelter Point is only starting to hit US markets now in the Northwest but its definitely worth trying, especially the cask strength blend or any of their cask finish expressions. Recently they put out a 5 year malted wheat they grew on their farm in Campbell River that I hear is really cool. They'll be a hidden gem for the next little while so if you like weird whisky and single malt definitely look close into them now before they get popular.
Also Black Fox in Saskatchewan is cool if you like unusual grain spirits like 100% oat and triticale (a cross of rye and wheat) and might be a worthwhile project one day.
I've had a few from Tawse and they're quite good! I personally have really enjoyed Hidden Bench's pinot noir as its quite farmy and has a decent body. I believe its also organic now similar to Tawse.
I really hope the CUMSA leads to liberalized alcohol trade (and also because I really wanna buy more mezcal and Westland cask picks) but given government greed and nanny state shit i doubt it.

>>14401070
Does it come in fun flavors like peach and orange though?

what's the deal with box wine

>>14401934
it comes in a box, it leaves in a box
it is the Story of Man

>>14401591
Thank you! I definitely wanna try the Ravines then, I haven't had any Finger Lakes reds that have stood out.

why are so many incels into wine?

>>14402047
fuck you the finger lakes make great wine

>>14401786
I love trying weird/different grain based whiskey, oat and triticale sounds fascinating. That's cool you've had Tawse, I'll look for Hidden Branch as well. I hear you on the CUMSA, but I'm swimming in mezcal over here so that's pretty wonderful, but I doubt it as well...

>>14402014
Yeah give them a shot, they're decent. I wouldn't say they're absolutely amazing but they're solid wines the last few times I've had them.

>>14402047
I don't personally find this to be true, in my experience incels drink beer/craft beer/liquor. Wine is a social thing at its core in my opinion, and most folks I know who are into it are also into food/dining/social activities as well.

>>14399953
>If you ever go there, you must try Poulet au Vin Jaune, a local specialty with chicken in a cream sauce made with vin jaune and fresh wild morels
I've had a similar dish a few times at a wine bar/restaurant here in Melbourne. It unfortunately isn't made with morels but it's been one of the best chicken dishes I've ever had.

>>14401591
>I don't really have much interest in retail since you're 95% of the time selling to the lowest common denominator
I work wine retail and I feel this pain often.

>>14402628
sell a lot of finger lakes wine, huh?

>>14402727
No you Burger retard, we only stock one American wine in our store.

HOLY FUCK WINE IS NOT ONLY NOT BANNED ANYMORE BUT THERES A WINE THREAD HOLY SHIT FUCK YES WHAT THE FUCK

>>14392100
as someone said before, English sparkling is good (although not much cheaper), or if you can find, Franciacorta is great too. Cavas can be great bangs for your buck but they're often hit or miss.

>>14403318
Only /alck/ was banned though because it was discussion about alcoholism and off-topic shit and not about the beverage itself.

>>14403423
welcome, newfriend! I'm glad that you have such a positive view of this board, and I hope your experiences will stay wholesome during your time spent here. However, the last time I visited ('18), the mention of the beverage was interpreted as spamming and earned you a temporary ban from the yank janny.

>>14403614
>>14403423

>>14403842
I fucking hate alcohol and this mod is still a retard
Where tf else is alc discussion supposed to go, /an/?

>>14403874
I think his mom must have died from alcoholism and probably beat him as a child. Is the only reasonable explanation for the disproportionate venom the mod has for booze threads.
I feel bad for the guy

>>14399931
>>14401591
Okay made a temp email if you wanna contact me. Would love to ask you more about your job and prospects if you can spare the time!

>>14404791
Shit put it in the email field but it didn't go through.

notcharaznable@protonmail.com

Imagine having a shitty niche job that's entirely dependent upon bourgeois tastes and trends.

>>14403874

420chan

http://www.1ch.us/

there are many chans, which chan is for you

enjoy

>>14404915

Kek, cope. Go back to your burgers and soda kid.

>>14405043
Go help Karen pick a 15$ Chardonnay for her Friday dinner.

>>14404915
I mostly enjoy the staff discount.

That and the very occasional person who comes in who's actually interested in wine.

>>14404915
congrats, you've described every industry in the US except fast food

>>14390246
>Riesling

cognac is technically wine, it is distilled out of it. anyways this one has a very fruity scent, sadly it just tastes of alcohol.

>>14403917
his mom probably lives in the finger lakes and gets fingered by lakes

>>14405232
imagine being such a fag your palate gets btfo by 40%

>>14404915
Imagine spending moments of your precious life talking shit about other peoples' interests on an anonymous Pakistani blanket weaving forum on the internet.

>>14405232
Cognac is not technically wine, it's technically brandy. Just because it's also made from fermented grapes doesn't make it wine. It's a distillate. No wine is a distillate (technically).

>>14405905
hey guys look at this educated cunt

Been drinking vermouth, am I welcome here?

>>14405918
Why are you here

>>14406072
Absolutely, vermouth is wine-based. What kind are you drinking? There's some awesome vermouth out there, my favorite small production ones were from a brand called Hammer & Tongs out of Oregon. Delicious stuff. But I also love Italian vermouths just for sipping on.

>>14406085
to shart on your faggot father's grave

>>14406085
it was a compliment
now youre just a cunt

>>14391855
I would drink wine outta Cameron diaz's butt hole

>>14406291
NOW YOU CAN!

tastes like the finger lakes

>>14405232
your point being?

>>14395484
It's cheap, but pretty good.

>>14407193
but it says SUPERIOR on the fucking bottle

>>14407218
Cheap wine is for anglo swine. In France it's normal to pay no less than 50€

>>14407220
ive been to Paris dude

>>14392100
>Champagne guy

>I like the three largest champagne brands

>>14407330
C'mon, it's /ck/, you really expect people to be drinking Vouette et Sorbee?

>>14407313
I hope you got lost and robbed and ended up having a terrible time.

>>14407550
no, it was great
though i did spend a bit too much time with the strippers

>>14407578
Why get strippers in Paris? Like with every business in that city its expensive and disappointing.

>>14407220
t. someone who has never been to France

wine pleb here, got this to celebrate finishing up degree, howd i do?
had it in a few cocktails before and tasted breddy gud

>>14407911
I mean it's very entry level in terms of aromatised wine. There's a lot to explore!

>>14407962
what would you recommend?

Is this any good or is it just a Meme?

>>14408010
If you like Lillet, explore white vermouth and white americano.

You can try the mass-produced brands like Dolin and Berto, but if you're willing to spend some money I'd recommend going to a good wine store and asking them about aromatised wines from local/independent producers.

>>14408026
At least it's from a independent vigneron.

>>14399731
Dude shut the fuck up im tired of seeing you seethe at this guy the entire thread you’re such a fucking woman dude stop spamming the thread trying to BTFO him you’re such a bitch

>>14408353
sounds like your lakes need fingering pal

>>14408367
holy baste

>>14408353
gets cuk'd by a beverage

>>14408708
Had the 2017 vintage of their Kabinett a couple of weeks ago. It was great, tons of tropical and orchard fruit, great acidity.

Only complaint is there wasn't really any minerality, which I love about German Riesling.

>>14408708
imagine drinking alcohol before it gets dark outside. might as well check yourself in into rehab immediately.

>>14403874
I used to discuss wine in the French thread on /int/, some folks there knew their stuff, but they also don't like English, so

>>14406091
Been drinking martini reserva ambrato. Widely available and pretty good

>>14408708
cheers, nice stuff

Do you guys like botrytised sweet whites? weird that even when the topic is Germany, dry riesling (and of course a ton of shitposts) is all I see. I love a good botrytised sweet wine, they can show amazing complexity and if the winemaker & circumstances are right, amazing balance, too.

>>14409051
I'd discuss French wine with you, anon! I'm not French either.

>>14407550
>reeee the big city meanies made me feel unsophisticated hyuk hyuk

>>14409104
>I'm not French
Your opinion is worthless among oenologists

>>14409104
Well then! What do you think about the new bdx varieties? I'm really conflicted, but maybe they're not the biggest threat to the region considering the Chinese buying up historic chateaus and smaller producers struggling every year. It's a shame, too, I often find pretty good value in cheap bdx bottles in my local Auchan.

Also, I'm >>14409090, what's your stance on botrytis? I've always considered Sauternes overpriced, and I won't shed many tears for it, but it's kinda sad the style is vanishing from regions like Loire or Alsace

>>14409143
The new bdx varieties? I don't know what you mean.

Do you live in France despite not being French?

>>14409090
I don't have a lot of experience with botrytised wines because of the price, but I absolutely love sweet Riesling. It's one of the most pleasurable, spritely things one can drink without feeling too opulent.

Fortunately I inherited some 80s botrytis sweet wines from my father, but I don't know what I should open them for.

>>14409179
https://www.decanter.com/wine-news/bordeaux-new-wine-grapes-419730/

I live in Hungary, no French connection, they were just the only community willing to discuss wine.

Vintage noble sweet is great! TBA, Sauternes are for when you really want to impress your guests. TBA needs no pairing, Sauternes fares well with foie gras. Spätlese, Auslese, Beerenauslese are for various oriental foods with strong flavors and citrus based desserts. Tokaji from the '80 is horrendous, use it to decorate your bookshelves. Rutherglen Muscat is the one you can use best with desserts. Nut based, caramellised (but not overly sweet) desserts are a good pairing. I don't know Canadian or Italian wines enough to recommend those, ask an expert if you have them. Another thing: these wines often have high acidity, even after 40 years. If you pair them with overly sweet desserts, they may come off as sour and unpleasant.

>>14409090
I personally enjoy a good sauternes once in a while. I really wanna find some older ones as ive never really had a long cellared Sauternes before that has that petrol note that some people get from old sweet wines.

>>14408353
he's even been reporting my replies to him, imagine being this angry that california wine is undrinkable boomer trash

>>/ck/thread/S14390246#p14399922

Seems like there's not a single person in this thread that likes pussy.

The one I got for this evening, I will drink the whole bottle then eat like a degenerate watching a good movie.

>>14409543
>degenerate
Back to pol incel

Wine is trash, I had hundred year old shit from my rich aunts cellar and it barely tasted any better than $6 port that's twice as strong.

I'm also a broke ADHD kid in a poor neighbourhood, do I just have shit taste or is wine genuinely shit and not something a person like me can get into? I like Frasier bw.

>>14409090
best botrytis wine ive ever had was from chardonnay grapes, yes, from the Napa Valley

>>14410346
yes we've all had far niente dolce, truth is you're better off getting a barsac/BA/TBA for the same price

>>14409381
good luck! they can be really good but boy oh boy you're gonna need to pay up
>>14409543
cheers man, to each their own. that wine is perfectly adequate for a thursday night self-hate binge
>>14409594
maybe you just don't like wine, and that's okay! but maybe you just started with a too serious wine (or maybe your aunt doesnt know shit about wine). if you want understandable, easy to enjoy wines, you should try: prosecco, pinot grigio, new zealand sauvignon blanc, argentine torrontes, provencal rosé, new zealand pinot noir, oregon pinot noir, beaujolais, primitivo, chilean cabernet, argentine malbec, australian shiraz
>>14410346
which producer? just because some regions don't have PDO in certain styles,some wineries can produce outstanding stuff
>>14410422
>TBA for the same price
doubt.jpg

>>14410422
have you had far niente dolce?
no, it wasnt far niente
just a farmer i know who had some rot

>>14410346
>napa

>>14412724
next time you visit, i'll have someone hook you up so you dont get so butthurt

>>14412808
sounds like fun, Black Friday but for wine, and there’s drunk drivers everywhere

>>14412827
uh, not really but ok.

>>14413484
yes really

>>14414756
put a finger in it already bud

>>14414859
no u

Male wine drinker here. It’s funny buying a good Bordeaux. I usually get asked who I’m buying it for, Wife? Mother? Sister? Surely it can’t be for yourself. Then when I tell it’s for me, I get a shocked look. They recover and decide to ‘play along’ with me. Then they start telling me lots of things I know I about wine.
It’s at this point, if I can be bothered, I go through their shelves and tell them all the ones I’ve tasted and why I like them or not. Which regions I prefer, big up Marlborough, and why I’m not a fan of Californian and 100% prefer Spanish.
Now is when I think they feel bad. Because they always offer me loads of samples. I can usually free taste like 4/5 different ones min on every visit.
Having said that met a really nice man last time through the airport who was giving out Schlumberger samples. We had a great chat. He was awesome.
Now girls at bars when you order a large white find you immediately intriguing. They watch you take a sip. I think they are waiting to see if you make a face. When you look pleased then they have their in to strike up a conversation.
I don’t know a lot of other male wine drinkers but I wish I did. I can only go on so many tasting sessions with girls.

>>14390287
Go be uncultured swine somewhere else

What’s a good cheap, entry level wine to pair with hard cheeses? I like cheese but never had a taste for wine and want to give it another shot. Honestly even just knowing what color wine to pair with it would be helpful.

Why niggas shitting on white wine? It's way mor versatile to pair with food (assuming that /ck/ eats snacks and mac & cheese way more than red spicy meat).
Drinking San Pedro de Yacochuya Torrontes, 2019 absolute great year for whites in argentina/chile.

>>14390287
I'm always confused about people who genuinely post things like this. Why not go with who's best? Or local? Or ethical? Why would your number one criteria be their ancestry

>>14415429
Awwww, itty bitty fragile wh*toid is perplexed because the world is about to stop catering to his needs, aaaaawwww.

>>14415436
I don't own a winery so I'll be fine. Some broad I know asked about tarot bullshit and at the end added "bipoc recommendations only please" in her post and I just didn't get the point

>>14415395
entry level cliches give people a sense of being hip to the game. like a burgundy is a chardonnay, right? but whether by nature or nurture you do get a lot of ladies drinking pinot grigio / sauv blanc type shit. of course the amount of amazing wine in california can be daunting.

>>14415054
Dry (read, not sweet, super fruity, or super high alcohol, so not necessarily Zinfandel/Petite Sirah) red wines do great in general. That's hugely general to say but fairly true. Try a Sangiovese (Chianti) or something medium bodied from Italy.

Hard and fast rules for wine pairing don't really exist, they're honestly more guidelines. True Champagne can be fucking amazing with steak, for example.

>>14416084
he's talking about an argentine wine you napa baboon

>>14416084
is for >>14414917 as well