/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Money?

>>14362945
He could have made the same Money if he called it SoCal kitchen or some shit, why focus on german food when you don't plan on delivering on it

no one cares about whatever futurismo borscht dish constitutes niche german cuisine, fuck off hans

Is that Kenji Lopez CTRL+ALT+DEL?

>>14362956
>San Mateo
>Socal

>>14362436
these look like fudgepackers to me and i don't like fudgepackers because they be packing the fudge.

>>14363923
>Borscht
>German
Retard

>>14362436
alcohol is where you make your money
it's drinking food
sausages and beer

makes perfect sense
it's both approachable and familiar to everyone and underrated and underdone as something slightly upper-market and good

It's a $$$ money scheme where his involvement in it can be low-stress and leave him time to do his other shit.

>Takes great pride in his authenticity
this is kind of a fraught concept. What does it even mean? He bastardizes a lot of 'authentic' dishes.

>>14366120
>Authentic german cuisine
>Vegan Döner

>>14364509
kek

>>14362436
>>Serves the most generic americanized versions of the first thing that comes to mind when you think of germany.
It means he's a good chef, but he's also serving amergoblins so he has to make money somehow.

>>14366127
who said it was authentic?

>>14362436
Because unless you either want to make no money, or manage to either convince the most retarded venture capitalists to support you, making authentic food doesn't really work.
The average consumer has no interest in ever eating some authentic boiled fat sausages and oats straight out of nonna's handwritten Pomeranian cookbook. Nor do they want some aspic made with pig eyes or whatever the fuck the cooks managed to dig out of some medieval cookbook cum torture manual.
But some bratwurst grilled up with some mustard and saurkraut on a pretzel bun? That'll get people's attention.

>>14366120
menu looks fine...he's like one of those southpark mongrels from the future pasty pudgy nondescript inoffense maybe slightly above average intelligence not lazy but not some furnace of ambition just a bare glimmer of charisma...i guess you can't really hate such a person as long as they are not a drain on society

>>14362956
>why focus on german food when you don't plan on delivering on it

This is always the most disappointing thing to me and it seems to primarily be with German restaurants. They sell 1 sausage with a side of sauerkraut, maybe a schnitzel, so they can call the restaurant Der Kaiserplatz and the rest of the menu is hamburgers, cobb salads, club sandwiches, etc. But they serve German beer too, so that must make it okay

Fuck that shit.

food writers and critics are not chefs, same as film and music critics aren't usually filmmakers or musicians (and their attempts at it are usually embarrassing). coming up with recipes to write about or for people to cook at home is nothing like running a restaurant. the fact alone that he didn't flop in a year is an achievement in itself, but like you, i am confused about why he chose german as his central concept. >>14366120 is right tho, drinks are the easy money maker.

>>14362436
They seriously charge 20 bucks for Döner, and
it looks nothing like the real deal. Pathetic.

>>14362436
OP, I find him a hack. That's my impression. Many people, including yourself(?), find him an absolute authority in every article he produces. He's worked hard to publish (on a schedule) with this air of authority, which honestly isn't much different than say Christopher Kimball, just for instance. A hack really trying hard, but at the bottom of it all, just no talent, hence reinventing the wheel like doing a engineer's trial and error, a mindset to do experiments, rather understanding there's already a known understanding and knowledge base by scientists already, the highest skilled people in the industry. Do you really imagine this guy is some magician that can figure out a baker's secret within an hour of hacking, esp for someone who has little travel experience, and not actually massaging dough and baking for 20 years, and who has more talent with literal decades of understandings.

You should know that operating a business is not the same thing as serving something authentic or even great. It's a business model first (if you're smart)
You can be anywhere in the world, and tourists will flock to a german restaurant for the exact same menu for a reason. They like it. You get your large mug of beer, a pork shank or sausages of a particular style, a pretzel, maybe some potatoes or dumplings, hard cheap wooden benches and communal tables.
Beer halls and traditional german restaurants the world over are kind of the same menus. It's not as boring as it sounds..just like latinos that must have their rice n beans literally daily because they like it.
You know who else loves beer halls and all things german or oktoberfest themed? Everyone who has been to europe exactly once and everyone who has german heritage (I literal chunk of america). The trick is to be where there aren't enough local sources of german beer. Plus he has fame and a draw from notoriety. Real pretzels are craveable.

I blame the book Kitchen Confidential. It was supposed to be a warning, but somehow it inspired a bunch of people to get into the restaurant industry.

I left the industry around the time that Bourdain did. When I got started, kitchens operated like boot camp. There was a clear chain of command, and breaking rank could result in shaming and discipline. Fuck up, and you'd spend your night degreasing the wall behind an oven. The atmosphere was oppressive at times, but you were treated like family if you could handle it.

Towards the end of my career, owners started selling their restaurants to young men who had made fortunes in Silicon Valley. They did not like the conservative atmosphere, so they ditched it. It actively made the kitchens more dangerous. Any gender could apply and work any position. If someone does something extremely dangerous, you have to think about the politics of the situation. Could this be construed as harassment? Uniforms and hygiene were no longer a requirement for the job. Having a degree was meaningless. Menus grew in size and kitchens slowed to a crawl.

My city no longer has postal vans. Anybody with a vehicle can apply for a job at the post office, and begin delivering the mail. They don't even require uniforms anymore. Maybe it's a good thing, I have no idea. Feels like we're losing something as a society, though.

Lopez is just a kid who fetishized the restaurant biz. He has very likely read K.C. But he has no respect for its traditions. I don't see anyone trying to preserve or document it, either. Like the post office, anyone who can gain a following can open a kitchen, and that's viewed as progress.

Kitchens don't need the same rigor as, say, airlines, but these people need to be classically trained and certified. That's especially true with COVID.

People like Lopez are going to get people hurt and killed.

>>14367523
This reads like a copypasta

>>14367523
You're gloryfying the abusive kitchen antics of the past. If some chef would go berserk and screaming I would just laugh in that manchilds face. Old-school cooks have to grow up. Hygiene is some must, though.

>>14366127

well it's not german anyway. also 80% of the beef döner I've seen in germany is made from ground beef as opposed to original stacking method and they taste like dogshit.

>>14367687
If they call this Döner, they are breaking the law. Döner always has to be stacked. You'll find the ground stuff at cheap places but they have to call it differently.

>>14367687
P.S. Döner Kebab is german, but obviously fusion. You won't find it in Turkey. Invented in Germany by turkish immigrnts.

>>14366096
g*rmany is Slavic clay

>>14367736
>invented by Turks
>but it is totally g*rman

>>14366120
>authentic german food
>Kielbasa

So Poland did belong to Germany after all.

Kenji is actually extremely based and you dumbcunts could learn a lot from him

>>14367751
This, but the opposite.

>>14367746
where does he pretend it's 'authentic'?

>>14366096
>implying germans aren't russian and american rape babies
the mutts of europe

>>14366120
German here.
The menu seems nice.
But some are too expensive.

>>14366120
it is nice that they make their own sausages
that makes it a quality outfit.

>>14367744
You know fortune cookies,right?Considered to be american, because they got invented and spread first there.Might not be 100% sound but that's how it goes, stupid fuckface.

>>14367736

Hitler should've erased retards from germany along with jews beacuse not only it's Turkish, it was
invented in Istanbul (Konstantiniyye that time) late 19th - early 20th century, which is a derivative of
another kebap known as Cag Kebabı that goes back few centuries before Döner Kabap.

Also I don't why but I've met several more germans that believe in the retarded idea of Döner is invented
in germany. Probably some turk in germany invented that urban legend to sell more döner to you.

>>14367736
>You won't find it in Turkey

lol wut

>>14367523

>>14367831
Well, the specific combination of Döner meat (which is obviously entirely turkish) inside bread, with salad and toppings is the modern invention here. Good luck finding this in Turkey, you retard.

>>14366120
>$6 per pretzel
>$18 & $19 for a fucking sandwich
>$50 for 6 sausages
fuck outta here

>>14362436
His bolognese is literal dog vomit.

>>14367854

This is the classical turkish döner which is sold everywhere for years. Adding some shitty toppings and hot or yogurt sauce don't make it a new invention.
It makes it döner with sauce in it.

>>14366120
>Paying more than five bucks for a Kebab
lmao@americans, what the fuck

>>14367873
That is a lot of turkroaches...

>>14367872
No, the modern turkish kebab is Beyti kebab, invented in the 60s. You usually still get meat on a plate in Turkey. No doubt that there are turkish places now that serve it the german style, because many tourists demand this. But its rare.

>>14367873
how much do you pay for tacos?

>>14367523
>Anybody with a vehicle can apply for a job at the post office, and begin delivering the mail.
That's crazy. In my country, mailmen are public servants who are selected through a public exam.

>>14367873
>Munich

>>14367904
True, it is well known thousands of Germans per year travel to Turkey for sex tourism.

>>14366120
>Wurstsemmel
>$16

*lach*

>>14367953
mostly women in their 30s/40s interestingly enough.